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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

Charmion 09 Aug 21 - 09:03 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charmion
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 09:03 PM

Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the disastrous intervention in Afghanistan. Bush II started it, Obama reinforced failure in the most wasteful way available to him, Trump ignored it except when he felt like meddling and ended up under-cutting diplomats and military commanders alike, and now Biden is cutting the country’s losses while he can.

Anybody would think Vietnam had been erased from the national memory.

Incidentally, I note that Gitmo is still operating.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 10:31 PM

Most of his irrationalities are walked back as being his brand of humor, usually on the caustic or vitriolic side. If you have an example we could judge for ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 07:49 PM

I expressed my concerns regarding Trump getting elected or reelected and my friends expressed their concerns that his recent twits and comments have been irrational, particularly regarding the Olympics. Unfortunately his irrationality has been a popular plus for him among his adherents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 06:06 PM

SAVE THE TRUMP ANTIVAXERS

vaccinate them in their sleep.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 01:53 PM

The most recent Trump rump effect is the apparent U.S. abandonment of a secular Afghanistan. After 20 years, this is nothing less than the loss of the U.S.s longest war.

I am not arguing that Trump lost the War. It could be interpreted that Trump recognized that the War was unwinnable or not worth the cost of winning, so he instituted negotiations with the Taliban. Which has been continued under the current Biden administration either because there is a certain momentum to the events, or because they in fact agree that after 100s of billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives and tens of thousands of Afghan lives, the situation is not going to change in direction.

This is politically interesting because I think the Trumpistas will argue that the Democrats lost the war during the coming elections.

And of course the world will take notice of the events as a sign of American further loss of world dominance. Which Trump didn't cause but definitely symbolized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 08:59 AM

I can answer that. A political appointee is considered to be a Schedule C. The schedule C appointees are only for the duration of the president who did the appointment. They are having a hard time finding jobs since they usually go back into think tanks like Heritage, Patrick Henry, and other repub sanctuaries. Right now those places aren't hiring like they used to. Bannon and Miller are the new sanctuaries. They can 'burrow in' by trying to get a job by applying for a Fed job with an agency. They have a right to apply but no rights to automatically be hired. The Post Office position you know about is not a schedule C. People hired by advise and consent of the Senate are not immune from being fired and replaced unless they are part of the judiciary like a Supream Court Judge. Former lawyers appointed to the Justice Department by Trump are outta there unless they 'burrowed in'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 11:41 PM

I wonder what all of the Trump plants in federal agencies are doing these days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 10:54 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/05/heres-roadmap-justice-department-follow-investigating-trump/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 09:16 PM

"We can't keep trying to outrun this thing or llo anyone to rewrite this thing; e've got to turn around and face it, defeat it once and for all. if all we do is turn away and hope it fades, it will just keep getting stronger until it kills us all."

Capitol policeman Mike Fanome who survived Jan. 6 attack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 06:50 PM

Here we are in August, the very month Trump says he is to be reinstated. (There's no constitutional mechanations to reinstate anybody)
Did America come close to a Trump coup? Yes closer than one or two people intervening to not perform unlawful acts close.
100 million $ says Trump will win this time around, truth be damned again.

Vaccination fears are waining but stupid arguements still arise such as Elvis got vaccinated in the Army and now he's dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 06:15 PM

I'm listening right now (Thursday 20210805) to Terry Gross of Fresh Air interviewing Jane Mayer of The New Yorker who wrote:
New Yorker's "The Big Money Behind The Big Lie"

The NPR site related is: Fresh Air - The Dark Money Effort to Win at All Costs


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 08:24 PM

Trump, his loyalists and appointees are like the founding fathers in one key way. They know they have to hang together or they will certainly hang seperately.
Begining with Jeffery Clark...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Aug 21 - 10:34 AM

Remember Alexander Vindman? Testified in Trump's first impeachment hearing, then he and his twin brother were evicted from jobs in the White House and Trump tried to bring him up on charges? He as written a book.

What I Heard in the White House Basement
I knew the president had clear and straightforward talking points—I’d written them.

By Alexander Vindman

This article basically recounts the events of the Trump conversation with the newly-elected president of Ukraine, and how he and others responded to the shift in policy that was intended to get Trump re-elected. It covers the events discussed in the impeachment hearing.

In my life, that quiet inner voice has been a real person: my brother. Our unique relationship was about to matter more than it ever had before. The walk that morning from the White House basement up to my brother’s office is pretty much a blur but I do remember looking around the conference room when the meeting broke up, knowing that others, including my boss, had heard what I’d heard. In that moment, I realized something right away. Nobody else was going to say anything about it. I was the person most knowledgeable about and officially responsible for the portfolio. If I didn’t report up the chain of command what I knew, no one might ever find out what the president was up to with Ukraine and the 2020 U.S. election. That’s why I went straight to Yevgeny’s office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jul 21 - 02:04 PM

I think this may be appropriate for some of the legislation in regards to all this:

"Laws are like sausages. It is better not to see them being made."

Otto Von Bismarck


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jul 21 - 04:59 PM

Justice Department Clears Way For Trump Officials To Testify About Jan. 6

The Justice Department has notified former government officials that it has consulted with the White House counsel's office and that it "would not be appropriate to assert executive privilege with respect to communications with former President Trump and his advisers and staff on matters related to the committee's proposed interviews," according to a person who has read the letter from department official Bradley Weinsheimer.

The decision could clear a path for former Justice Department officials to testify about an attempt to oust then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and replace him with someone sympathetic to the former president's baseless arguments about election fraud in the days before the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

But the decision also could portend court challenges by Trump and others with whom he talked on Jan. 6, the person said.


Bold emphasis mine. They will probably try to say that what they know is still exclusive and needs to be not spoken to protect Trump. This is saying "don't try it."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:14 PM

Philip Bump on Donald Trump   (you can't make THAT up)
and the audience for the fringe mass media.

Washington Post: Donald Trump finally has what he always wanted


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 10:42 AM

As for Trump and Mc Connel, they are not a Hitler and Goering war machine and his merry band of insurrectionists who rule by the anti democratic mob are not the SS trained from childhood in loyalty to a man god. We may lose voting democracy but failure is not fatal and success is not final. We the people will continue on.
"We may learn to change our minds or the minds of others, for those who never change their minds, never change anything." quote Winston Churchill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:43 AM

Best not to double click submit.
As a denominator to every post; I have faith in each and every one, more than a diety. Its kind of a Hindu concept that god is in everyone which is why they bow with prayer hands to each other in India. It just might take Trump 42 lifetimes to finally do the right thing, but even he could be redeemed given enough time. As for his followers who paid the ultimate price for believing his lies, I wish them and theirs get special dispensation. Flagellation won't help but sometimes it is tempting to whip the idiots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:23 AM

Correct on both accounts gilly. I was too weary to double check. It turns out that Georgia was not the only state official he called to change votes prior to Jan. 6th. Its hard to say what was plan A or B since Jan 6 had been in the works for weeks or even months. Trump was ready to go big or go home. In the end he did both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:23 AM

Correct on both accounts gilly. I was too weary to double check. It turns out that Georgia was not the only state official he called to change votes prior to Jan. 6th. Its hard to say what was plan A or B since Jan 6 had been in the works for weeks or even months. Trump was ready to go big or go home. In the end he did both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:53 AM

correction: the call in question was to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, not the AG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:48 AM

If you're referring to the phone call to the Georgia A.G. in which he said “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,”,that took place on Jan. 2 of this year when he was still in office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 11:56 PM

Thats why a recording of his phone calls have proved obstruction and lead to impeachments except in the eyes of Republican Senators. His call to Georgia's AG to change voting results
was also impeachable but he was no longer president then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 08:19 PM

Couple things I'm curious about:

Regarding Kavanaugh, I recall that some of the Senators were willing to wait for an FBI report to be made prior to the confirmation vote. That sounded like a formal work product. Are these recent revelations indicating that that was a sham? Yeah, I know how naive that question might appear.

Re: the slippery one presumably Trump. This is based on what I remember hearing over the last year. But it's that Trump does not do e-mail. He leaves precious little personal documentation out there. Interesting in comparison to his 'rule via twitter' practise when he was in office.

There is plenty written about Trmp, including the aggressive use of lawyers and suits against his creditors ("Where's My Roy Cohn?"). He is a long time scrapper in a business environment that filters out a certain type of 'success'. But maybe not success as most of us expect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 12:01 PM

He's slippery as a frog. He's been flim-flamming government organizations, banks, contractors and individuals for about fifty years and has become adept at leaving someone else holding the bag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 11:19 AM

I know I don't know enough about US politics and I was probably expecting too much but can anyone explain to me why he has not been locked up yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 10:05 AM

From the New York Times:
In an interview, Mr. Whitehouse said the F.B.I.’s response showed that the F.B.I.’s handling of the accusations into misconduct by Mr. Kavanaugh was a sham. Ms. Tyson’s letter, Mr. Whitehouse said, suggested that the F.B.I. ran a “fake tip line that never got properly reviewed, that was presumably not even conducted in good faith.”

Mr. Whitehouse and six of his Democratic colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee replied to the F.B.I.’s letter on Wednesday with demands for additional details on the agreement with the White House that governed the inquiry. They also pressed for more information on how incoming tips were handled.

“Your letter confirms that the F.B.I.’s tip line was a departure from past practice and that the F.B.I. was politically constrained by the Trump White House,” the senators wrote. Among those signing the letter were Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois, the committee’s chairman, Mr. Coons and Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 10:03 AM

No surprise now that the details of the Kavanaugh hearings are being revealed. FBI says it got more than 4,500 tips on Kavanaugh, providing ‘relevant’ ones to Trump White House
. . . where they were immediately quashed.
The exact number of tips was disclosed in a June 30 letter released by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse on Thursday. The letter was in response to a two-year-old request from Senate Democrats seeking more information about the handling of the investigation.

The revelation reignited fierce accusations from liberals who say that the FBI and the Trump White House did not sufficiently examine allegations against Kavanaugh in the wake of accusations from Dr. Christine Blasey Ford that he had sexually assaulted her at a party in the Maryland suburbs when they were both in high school.

The allegations nearly derailed his confirmation, and Kavanaugh has always fiercely denied them. Kavanaugh was ultimately confirmed by a vote of 50-48.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 09:31 AM

The Waffen SS would lovingly escort Jews into employment facilities.
They were a very loving crowd. The SS would hug and kiss Jews touring the ground. You don't see this now. Likewise the capitol police...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 05:03 PM

Truth is its not just white nationalist Trumpers
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-right-wing-extremists-have-infiltrated-german-security-forces


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 02:41 PM

Times have brought great changes in technology. Back a generation ago there were fewer information streams and a greater consensus on what constituted truth versus news. Different sources had different values of believability. Mark Twain said: "Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it." Now, information is cheap and plentiful. And everyone can contribute. It is sent out in broad spigots. So "the truth is out there" but it is to be found severely diluted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 11:20 AM

At one time Christiane Northrup was a well-respected feminist-oriented ob/gyn. I have a couple of her books from 20-30 years ago. Now she's gone into the Dark Side with her LaLaLand nonsense and puts her whole career into question. And Mercola - he's just plain criminally wrong in the stuff he promotes. I don't know WTF is going on with the Kennedy scion.

The Dirty Dozen from Salon. This story from NPR.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 08:14 AM

You can attest to the fact that I was talking like Mark Milley over a year ago. Many years ago I warned of a Civil War but I was four square wrong about people being unwilling to die for Trump. They are doing it by the thousands thanks to the help from Facebook vaccine experts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 11:22 PM

There are several really interesting books coming out this month. I just bought a Kindle version of First Friends talking about a number of presidents and their long-term friends. And interestingly enough, they said that Trump doesn't have a best friend. He's the poorer for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 10:42 PM

"REICHSTAG MOMENT"



Comes now a new book including observations from Gen. Milley, who was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Saying that late in the Trmp term he was appointing buddies to major positions and causing fears among the high staff that he would try something akin to a 'Wag the Dog' strategy. My jaded old movie memory went back to "Seven Days in May".

Trump's reaction was predictable:

“Sorry to inform you, but an Election is my form of ‘coup,’” Trump said, “and if I was going to do a coup, one of the last people I would want to do it with is General Mark Milley.”


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 10:29 PM

He's a sociopath who has a lot of enablers who keep repeating what he says in places where he can see it. I'm sure he has one Google Alert set up - for his own name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 06:33 PM

I try to confine my biggest whoppers to MOAB but a trmp asphalt paving to space is a super whopper. I'm sure donnie is pointing to some political tweet to back up his claim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 05:33 PM

In the meantime Trump has apparently tried to take credit for the successful Branson suborbital fllight. He 'paved the way' for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 06:29 AM

It relates to the 8:04 am post about boycott baseball.
Its probably NOT baseball terrorism but just a drug deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 03:02 PM

That last post looks like it was destined for a different thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 02:22 PM

CORRECTION: wITH THE AMOUNT OF heroin, Meth and eCTAsY the FBI says the guns at the All Star Baseball Stadium is just the usual drug sales hotel stay. cRAZY DAYS of summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 02:08 PM

Here's a Trump appointee who hoped to burrow in like a tick and keep damaging the Social Security Administration. Biden kicked out the top two guys, but the top one says he isn't leaving.

Biden clears out Trump picks at the Social Security Administration
Following a Supreme Court ruling, Biden fired Trump's top officials at the Social Security Administration. Andrew Saul, however, doesn't intend to leave.

Saul, however, apparently disagrees. In fact, the Trump appointee told the Washington Post late last week that, as far as he's concerned, Biden can't fire him. Saul added that he intends to keep working this morning, as if his ouster hadn't happened.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of the Social Security Administration, but I assume the relevant officials have canceled his login and limited his access to the building. I also assume Saul will soon file some kind of lawsuit testing the legality of the White House's decision.


One hopes so!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 12:11 PM

There was a crooked man
who always acted pissed
He had alot of crooked fans
that hate spics and rapists

There was a crooked man,
and he sold crooked plots,
He found a crooked dollar
in all the crooked slots ;

He found a crooked cat
which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all got really fat
in a huge crooked house.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 08:04 AM

Action: Trump screams BOYCOTT BASEBALL for moving the All Star game to CO. from Georgia due to voting laws.

Effect: Body Armor. 16 guns and 1,000 rounds of ammunition were found in hotel room accross from the Baseball stadium.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 07:49 AM

Back in 2006 the christian right cried out for curing AIDS in Africa and a cure for world poverty but they have gone downhill in membership since. Now they cheer the message to do nothing to save their life with vaccine and worship an amoral Trmp. The celebration that they got their guy in the white house is waning and attract mostly the criminal nazi and KKK. It takes 10 to 15 years for the terminally misinformed to see clearly again. Make America See Clearly Again MASCA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 06:51 AM

heh heh its funny robo thinks what he wants, matters to me.
You'd be happier if you found someone who it does matter to.
Just laugh at the show and the way it goes.
Times are super Orwellian among the melanin deprived and melatonin overdosed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 02:32 PM

I assumed he was speaking about Pack; he lives in Washington, D.C. or environs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 01:56 PM

DonTrumpuel. When you make personal references, I want details. You are too prone to fabrication or probably in your terms, poetic elaboration. But too often you exceed reality. And your tendency to resemble the subject Trmp while useful to the fabric of this thread can also confuse poor folks like me who often regard themselves as tied to reality.

So whoe were family friends? And who was the appointee. In the manner of a famous lawyer (who was a family friend), "Don't fabricate; elaborate!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 21 - 05:49 PM

They were family friends of ours. She was heroic, the appointee was an ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 21 - 12:33 PM

Malfeasance by his appointees - no surprise at all:

A Report Clears Federal Officials Who Were Suspended By A Trump Appointee Over VOA

"What is shocking are [the inspector general's] discovery of the many more ways Pack and his political appointees – while running USAGM for a mere six months – managed to break the law, abuse authority, endanger public health and safety and grossly mismanage the agency," Seide said in a statement.

During his tenure, Pack gave interviews to conservative and pro-Trump news outlets saying he wanted to "drain the swamp" at Voice of America.


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