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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

DMcG 16 Oct 20 - 01:38 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Oct 20 - 08:06 PM
Bonzo3legs 13 Oct 20 - 06:35 PM
mayomick 13 Oct 20 - 10:12 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Oct 20 - 01:38 PM

Yet again, it seems Boris Johnson is saying yes, we really really will walk away from the trade deal talks, we mean it and this time are so so serious.

But not actually quite doing it.

Looks like it will be no deal at the end of October on the EU timetable at this rate. Unless the PM actually concedes enough to satisfy the EU, with probably them giving him a fig leaf to exalt over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Greatest UK PM born 95 years ago!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:06 PM

My father-in-law, a mighty Somerset man and a far better person than Thatcher, would also have been 95 today. He died ten years ago. I loved him to bits. He would probably have been ashamed had he known about the coincidence.

Funny how it goes. Mrs Steve's lifelong best friend has her birthday today (we had her round for tea and a chocolate brownie this afternoon, and she's coming round for my lamb stew on Saturday night), as does my first fiancée (she had a lucky escape), as does one of my best mates from school in the sixties. Nothing on the 12th, 14th or any other day anywhere near. Weird!


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Subject: BS: Greatest UK PM born 95 years ago!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 06:35 PM

On this day, 95 years ago, was born one of the finest Prime Ministers ever to lead this or any country - a woman of courage, integrity and wisdom who inspired people around the world and who advanced the cause of freedom: Margaret Thatcher. God bless her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: mayomick
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:12 AM

sorry for the thread creep, carry on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: mayomick
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:00 AM

"meringue, cream and strawberries" ? It’s more likely to be a choice between jam roly poly and custard and apple pie and custard .That’s from what I saw when doing some plumbing in a Whitehall club a long time ago ........... Maybe they were from Harrow though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 03:23 PM

The virus is far more prevalent in large conurbations and deprived areas, Nigel. 'Tis true that some constituencies in those areas were stupid enough (or at least contained a lot of stupid enough people) to return a Tory. Once their pubs have been shut (for beer at least) for a few months, their jobs have disappeared and a few more thousand of them have died, the time may well become ripe for the feckless Johnson to look to his laurels...

Unless, of course, the almost equally feckless "Dishy Rishi" has taken over...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 03:22 PM

Something like that, Nigel. But if it was exactly like there there would be a little table somewhere saying when the cases per thousand was such and such then you would be at level N. Since there isn't - so far - then there is some margin of judgement, and that could be partly political.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 02:43 PM

I thought the lowermost tier was for those areas showing the lowest rate of virus infection. The areas where, whether by luck or good judgement, people have avoided spreading the virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 02:16 PM

Gawrsh , who’da thunk it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 02:04 PM

Seems that the areas most likely to vote Tory next time have been left in the lowermost tier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 12:22 PM

Of as someone cleverly said the other day, an Eton mess is supposed to be meringue, cream and strawberries. Not what the government do :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 10:08 AM

what a mess


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 07:10 AM

”But it is almost certain the MPs will vote against amendments to protect the standards.

Such is taking back control.”


Those of us with more than half a brain knew exactly what the BrexShit-Bunch’s ‘Take Back Control’ meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 05:42 AM

Today's main Brexit event is the Agriculture Bill returning to Parliament.

The story so far:

In December 2019, all Conservative ministers stood on a manifesto that included maintain the UK food standards (p 57 for those interested.)

When the bill first came to the House, it included nothing to protect the standards. Amendments to introduce those commitments were proposed, but voted against.

The bill passed to the Lords, who wrote such protective measures into the bill.

It has now returned to the House of Commons to be voted on this afternoon. The Government has declared one of the amendments inapplicable of a technicality and it was reported in either the Times or the Telegraph (I forget which), that Dominic Cummings "instructed ministers" not to accept the amendments.

The last poll of the public suggested 94% want the standards preserved. I know polls are very unreliable, but it is fair to conclude, I think, that the majority want the standards maintained. The RSPCA do. The NFU do. The environmental groups do. Consumer bodies like "Which?" do. Some supermarkets have said they will not stock chlorinated chicken.

But it is almost certain the MPs will vote against amendments to protect the standards.

Such is taking back control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 05:36 AM

Spot on Doug.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 12 Oct 20 - 04:05 AM

With 1.4 million employed by the NHS and 1.6 million in social care, 414 baubles means that 99.99% were ignored.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 12:17 PM

It would be even more wonderful if they paid them properly. Gongs don’t pay the bills.


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Subject: BS: Birthday Honours
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 11:14 AM

Wonderful honours list which includes 414 names of NHS and social care staff, fundraisers, shopworkers and drivers, etc. - the unsung heroes of the pandemic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 03:16 AM

The usual witty and insightful review, by John Crace in the Guardian, of the Prime Minister’s woeful performance presenting his speech to the virtual Tory Party Conference.

Let’s hope Crace is right, that the former Labour voters who allowed themselves to be conned into voting Tory at the 2019 election have indeed ‘grown up’ and realised what a bunch of twonks they elected, and that they give Johnson a good kick up his fat, bone-idle, clueless arse next time (assuming he lasts that long, and his own party haven’t given him the push before then).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 04:50 AM

From yesterday's "Observer". I have not linked the piece as it only says the same thing in different ways but I found this section hilarious.

In the latest ConservativeHome survey of what activists think of the cabinet, the prime minister comes in 24th out of 25. The education secretary is the only cabinet member with a worse approval rating. That’s the verdict of Tory members on their own prime minister: “not quite as useless as Gavin Williamson”.

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 04:50 AM

On reflection it might have been Freddie Star. But I don't think he ate any hamsters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:30 AM

Shame she didn’t smother the bugger with a pillow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:15 AM

Davidson once slept on my mother-in-law's sofa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 05:54 PM

The neo fascists must obviously now regard posh luvvie fox
as a more publicly acceptable mainstream recruitment poster boy
than football hooligan robinson ever could be...

Though they are still keeping bitter old shite comedian jim davidson
as a back up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 05:25 PM

Not my cup o’tea either, Mac. But hey, it takes all sorts I guess!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 05:24 PM

I much prefer Emilia


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 05:09 PM

It is a matter of personal taste, but compared to Tennant, Sim, Scott and others, I don't rate Lawrence Fox much as an actor. Nor compared to some others in the very extensive Fox acting clan.

I would seek him out for potitical advice, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 11:33 AM

i have never heard of lawrence fox,i have heard of other actors, but
i am not interested in their views on anything other than acting.
for example john cleese a well known actor probably has different views to lawrence fox, so what, why should i listen to fox rather than cleese, just because an accpuntant from croydon tells me too.
who exactly do you think you are, telling people we should listen to some actor called fox,rather than listening to john cleese or glenda jackson, or any other actor


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 08:15 PM

Brilliant, pfr. I salute ye (and the missus) Sir!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 08:10 PM

Today my mrs got the most disruptive 5 year old in her class
to go an entire day without telling any teaching staff
to f@ck off...

That's the kind of extreme woke thing those traitorous marxist feminist teachers
are doing to brainwash white working class boys
into turning into transgenders...!!!

[yes.. maybe.. I've been researching too many far right youtube channels again...???]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 07:55 PM

There'd be more intellectual clout in discussing the latest developments in what my grandson's Year One class were getting up to. Yesterday he won the class prize for being the best tidier-upperer. Last week he was one of only five in his class to reach rainbow status. Dammit, I bathe shamelessly in reflected glory, in the knowledge that he's achieved far more worthwhile things than either yank candidate could achieve in a hundred years...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:59 PM

Doug - We could numb the anguish
by restricting ourselves to only discussing American politics...???????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:58 PM

Not good, though, Doug. Coronavirus has indeed sidelined brexit. Which is exactly how this crappy government hopes to bury bad news...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:55 PM

We haven't seen much about Brexit with the COVID-19 stuff going on.

The only good thing about COVID-19 is that it stops us having to talk about Brexit. If only we could find something, other than Brexit, to stop us having to talk about COVID-19.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:41 PM

To answer Silly's question about Brexit. We are in a very critical time as far as negotiations are concerned. There will probably be a lot of noise over the next two weeks. The EU gave until today for some clauses to be dropped from UK legislation and they have not. There is an EU meeting on 15th/16th October which Johnson has said is a deadline. The EU has said the end of October is its deadline. Meanwhile the EU has rejected a UK request for special treatment for cars assembled from Japanese parts (etc) to be treated as if those parts originated in the UK; the UK has offered a phased deal for fishing and the Government has warned of up to 7000 vehicle/2 day delays as a "reasonable worst case" lasting for months from 1 January.

Any or all of this could change in the next four weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:08 PM

Too many of us are resigned to either being in an induced coma in intensive care, or prematurely deceased,
before any progress is made on brexit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 05:46 PM

We haven't seen much about Brexit with the COVID-19 stuff going on. Where do things stand now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 05:42 PM

For all the fishermen who fell for the lie about protecting them.

Britain offers EU fishing concession as part of Brexit sweetener


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 02:22 PM

The proliferation of UK political topics is a problem. Argue about all of it in one place, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: Nick
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 03:27 AM

Lawrence Fox is a man NOT to watch. And as he has becomes more and more unemployable in what he was slightly good at ie acting he will undoubtedly end up disappearing. Hopefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 08:22 PM

He's about as charmless and despicable as Tim "Wetherspoon" Martin, which is saying something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 03:57 PM

What we wanna know is who is funding his newly born political aspirations,
and how many £££$$$$ they are happy to flush down the bog...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 03:50 PM

That's the one!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 03:36 PM

Oh that has-been actor, and now malleable ventriloquist's dummy for the radical right...


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Subject: BS: Lawrence Fox - a man to watch!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 03:23 PM

At last someone prepared to speak out against the wimpie wokies!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 07:09 AM

We see your clown and raise you a sociopath.

SRS - would you have accepted the third Bush? Instead of the one in your hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 04:25 AM

There are other things I would add to that as well, Dave. For example movement of powers from Parliament to ministers is a very disturbing trend. In several bills recently, including the Internal Market, Parliament has voted not to have the authority to review minister's decisions. Obviously in the Internal market that has not yet completed, but those clauses are there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 03:44 AM

Suppression of free speech
Curfews
Rat on your neighbours

It all sounds frighteningly familiar...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:04 AM

after the disgraceful decision (presumably born of jealousy) that the bbc were to stop broadcasting nicola sturgeon's daily information to scots about her government's covid strategy,we now hear that bbc 'stars' are to be stopped commenting on political matters. this is just suppression of free speech, decency and competent government . what has england become? and some people like this stuff? if you enable fascism - what are you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:35 AM

The EU did indeed insist on necessary guarantees before it was willing to enter into negotiations, true enough. So if the UK was unwilling to give those guarantees the right thing would have been to accept that, and leave without a trade deal.

The problem with that would have been that, while that was fine with the clique in charge under Johnson, they could never have sold it. It would not have been acceptable to Parliament, and in fact would not have lost an awful lot of votes in the subsequent election, and they¡d never have got that stonking majority of yesmen and women.

Signing the agreement with no intention of keeping it was primarily a way of conning the British people rather than the EU. Now it looks very much as if the Johnson Mob has succeeded in enginering the no deal exit that was intended all along.

Very clever bit of management, a classic con-trick. What Baldrick would have called "a cunning plan". And we know how well those always worked out in the end...


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