Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Feb 21 - 07:27 PM

Steve:
Trump holds cards that a lot of Republicans care about. He does not have nearly that much traction with the rest of the country.

The real nightmare would be if there was a canny Democrat who was able to be a more effective Trump.

It's easy to spot the demagogue when he's the other guy. The danger is when you think the demagogue is YOUR guy.

As Thomas Jefferson said: "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."

I am atremble just a bit. Not over Trmp, but the indisputable fact of his success due to my fellow Americans.

I agree with Jeri that Mcconnell is a worm. Except that many worms are humble, useful creatures. Earthworms, generally. There are plenty of other worms that burrow into animals and go to work devouring them from the inside. That is Mitch Mcconnell for you. Trmp was part of Mcconnell chickens coming home to roost. Meaning no respect for the noblest of the chickens however.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Feb 21 - 08:10 PM

If Trump wrote himself a secret pardon that will go to the supreme court.

McConnell took monstrous advantage of his position as the majority leader in the senate to withhold hearings for Obama's supreme court nominee. He stopped legislating and followed his own course of revenge ever since his man Bork was borked.

I'm hoping some of those clever congressional and senatorial folks will try the next Constitutional move, as suggested by Robert Reich. and that Georgia and New York step up to charge him with crimes.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Feb 21 - 08:16 PM

Polls indicate something like 80% of Republican voters still back Trump. Even if that just means the other 20% stay at home or vote for Independant candidates, let alone switching to the Democrate, that sounds like a death sentence for the Trump Party.

He's got all the cards for controlling and purging the Republican Party, probably true enough. He's the Kiss of Death.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Feb 21 - 10:51 AM

I predicted tht he would not be found guilty

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 09:56 AM

I find it appropo that Tramp faces charges of breaking the Klu Klux Klan law of the 1889 Reconstruction era.

The SDNY AG office hired a very special lawyer who forced the judicial system to legally define Racketeering when applied to organized crime. In order to bring charges against Tramp the only stumbling block now is for the supreme court to release Tramp's financial information. They have not acted for many months.

imo I think the chief justice of the SC is afraid of the mob
Pun intended.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 10:52 AM

Gone are the Hobbits, Tasmanians and long lost tribes
Gone are Neanderthals except those who tried to hide.
The murder goes on with bullets and economics.
The killing's not for food or other solutions
Its not always for land, water or evolution.

Some murder over pigment and facial features
The killing goes on by men unlike creatures.
It starts with a lie that grows into fear
The cult to kill is proud and is here
They take an oath and drink a beer.

It may be the home of the brave
but I see those who live in fear.
They are the ones who need lots of guns
To defend and extend the slavery of
Tramp.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Hrothgar
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 05:15 AM

Interesting point: Is there a provision somewhere in US law that says someone cannot stand for public office (a) if they are bankrupt, or (b) if they have been convicted of a crime that carries a sentence of x years or more?

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 06:50 AM

Not Constitutionally but other laws disqualify convicted felons from many opportunities.
PS: Republicans MESSED with Texas.
They said "you don't mess with Texas" and therefore did not join the National power grid or federal regulations.
Republicans own the mess in Texas.

So far republicans are blaming windmills and 58% R blame the modern boogyman Antifa for attacking the Capitol.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 10:38 AM

That excuse is gone with the wind - even my Republican neighbors (who are otherwise nice people and who shared their generator power with me) acknowledge that it is the whole system that is messed up, not just wind power. Everyone now knows that the gas and coal plants failed big time (gas is the largest of the providers) because the water lines to the plants and other things in the mechanisms weren't protected against extreme lows.

But Trump isn't responsible for that.

Trump is still rumbling about starting another party (the "Patriot" party) or buying a little news channel that is out there on cable networks. There may be a paywall, but this Jan. 10 Wall Street Journal article talks about it. Here is a bit of the story:

Allies of President Trump are pursuing an effort to acquire right-leaning news channel One America News Network, according to people familiar with the matter, in a bid to shake up a conservative media market that has been dominated by Fox News.

The investment firm Hicks Equity Partners is looking to acquire the channel and is pitching other wealthy GOP donors to arrange a bid of roughly $250 million for the channel’s parent company, the people said. The firm is owned by the family of Thomas Hicks Jr. , co-chairman of the Republican National Committee and a close friend of Donald Trump Jr.

The efforts come as Mr. Trump has periodically rebuked Fox News for being too critical—despite its opinion-show hosts’ general support of his administration—and has praised One America News Network. The channel’s opinion programming is known among its cable-news peers for its praise of Donald Trump and its advocacy for conservative causes.

“Over the last 25 years, we have been active media investors. Any interest in OANN is from a purely business standpoint,” said Rick Newman, a partner at Hicks Equity Partners who is leading the deal with family patriarch and Trump donor Thomas Hicks.

One America News Network President Charles Herring said in an email that the network has become “a reliable news source for a national audience,” adding that the company has seen interest from potential suitors from time to time. “With the 2020 political season in full swing, expressed interest is on the rise,” he wrote. “Yet our family didn’t build our operations to sell it.”

One America News is owned by San Diego-based Herring Networks Inc., a TV-programming company that was launched in 2004 by Mr. Herring’s father, Robert Herring Sr., founder of a circuit-board firm. He launched the news channel in 2013.

They've also had their eye on a channel called NewsMax.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Helen
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 02:06 PM

Another milestone in the Saga of Trump the Orange has been passed.

Donald Trump's tax returns can be turned over to New York prosecutors, US Supreme Court rules

Key points:

* The New York prosecutor involved in the case has been seeking Mr Trump's tax records since 2019
* The decision to release the tax records came from the US Supreme Court
* Mr Trump had appointed three of the Supreme Court's Justices during his time as US president

The news article also refers to some of the other proposed cases to be brought against Trump.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 02:19 PM

SCOTUS will not prevent Tramp Tax Returns from going to the grand jury.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 07:10 AM

The 4 hour mob war against the 3rd branch of government by Tramp is being investigated. Overall people involved are saying "I didn't get the email".
Its like a cartoon.
"Sargent at Arms Shultz, what did you know and when did you know it?"
"I know nothing"
The same goes for Homeland Security formed after 9-11 to encourage communication between intelligence agencies. Perhaps some one at HLS could have watched TV. Or the Pentagon, or the FBI or the CIA or NSA or DIA etc. So I suppose all the people who Tramp appointed to those agencies are innocent along with Tramp.

I am reminded of V for vendetta. Although the plot motivation is opposite and explosives were not detonated, a masked mob showed up as a result of one person. I saw some of the deranged mob wear V masks during the insurrection.

Perhaps if we ignore it, it will go away like Brexit.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 10:21 AM

I didn't see the very beginning of those hearings - are they under oath? There are conflicting stories and it will eventually come out. Under oath means people can be prosecuted for lying about stuff.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 07:01 PM

Jim Jordan and Ron Johnson can tell whatever lie they want as they question people under oath. People willing to lie under oath are likely to defend their lie forever.

On disassters;
If it seems like we are all suffering more disaster events, we are.
Twenty years ago I discussd diasters so much I was accused of being a disaster troll. FEMA tells everyone to be prepared for 3 days on your own. 20 years ago only about 1 in 10 were preparing like Mormons to last for more than 3 days. Last year it was 20% and now it is nearly half (45%).

Our best survival tools can be found in government that many people are trying to destroy. I'm not saying hiding under the bed with 3 days of beans and water or building a bunker tunnel is the way to go.
But
in a pinch there is water that can be drained from hot water heatrs in an emergency. A supply of iodine or chlorine can protect water against Cholera. Cleverness and details is worth knowing in disasters. Its probably worth a thread of its own. FEMA is stretched beyond its limits right now.
Something is now in the wind that has a name but the next thing has no name.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Jos
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 01:39 AM

"Under oath means people can be prosecuted for lying about stuff."

I thought lying under oath meant that when you died you would go straight to hell.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 05:36 AM

Catholic guilt runs deep :^)

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 06:09 AM

"I thought lying under oath meant that when you died you would go straight to hell."

Nah. When we were at our Catholic school we were always told that the best time to be run over by a bus was just after you'd left the confessional box (caveat: it had to have been a genuine confession, with the intent of not doing those naughty things ever again, impossible of course with those impure thoughts...). The mind often boggled as we were told this, as the road junction just outside the church was easily the busiest and most hazardous in town...

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Jos
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 07:44 AM

If the hellish punishment for lying under oath only applies to Catholics, why are Protestant witnesses offered a Bible to hold while they are sworn in? I would have thought that without the availability of confession and absolution, they should be even more fearful of eternal damnation.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 08:08 AM

They should be. They can never get to heaven no matter how good they are. There are only Catholics in heaven. Our priests told us so. That's why I've decided I'm not going.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 10:37 AM

Confession is available in the Church of England, I don't know about the other Protestant denominations.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 11:48 AM

Manhattan DA Sifting Through Donald Trump’s Financial Records

After exhausting all his legal options, Donald Trump’s financial records are finally in the hands of New York District Attorney Cyrus Vance. CNN broke the news Thursday: “Prosecutors obtained the records on Monday, according to a source, just hours after the US Supreme Court denied Trump’s last-ditch effort to keep the records private.”

The records reportedly include millions of pages, so it is expected to take the office some time to go through the documents.

CNN points out, “Vance is investigating whether Trump and the Trump Organization engaged in tax fraud, insurance fraud and other schemes to defraud, including potentially providing false information to financial institutions or banks about the value of certain buildings and assets.”

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 12:47 PM

Cy Vance, isn't he the lawyer who lost the election for Gore in the SCOTUS decision and set us on course for conspiracy politics with W in charge" ?
Democrat bias is defined by believing in actual reality.
Republican bias is a self serving alternate truth.

Manitas,
Catholics borrowed guilt from a Jewish mother.
Original sin is like everyone getting a free forgiven card.

A man walks into an Anglican Church for the first time since childhood.
He goes into a new confessional and to his surprise there is a shelf of whiskey, a shelf of the finest mariquana, and a shelf of miscellaneous items like condoms and cigars. "Forgive me pastor for I have sinned? By the way I like this new confessional thing."
"Get out of there you idiot, you're on my side".

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 06:10 PM

"Friends, Quanons and countrymen lend me your ears. We here at CPAC to welcome our lord and savior Donald Trump after his heroic effort to save Amerika. Furthmore we have canceled our invitation to Kike Pense and Mith McConnel."

CPAC has in fact made a golden idol of Trump for their rally. For some reason Donald the idol is dressed in shorts so it doesn't look so much like the golden calf.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 05:52 PM

That thing is pretty awful. I heard an interview with the artist; the secret service wouldn't let him deliver it to Mar-a-lago so he took it to this place instead. He's hoping it ends up in the "Trump library." I doubt there will be a Trump library, his twitter feed will fit in a hand-held device.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 09:26 AM

It looks like Georgia will be the first to indict Tramp. They are empaneling a grand jury this week regarding voting obstruction. NY may be next and then the families separated and children taken may sue over time.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 12:15 AM

There is another phone call that came to light, released by the Wall Street Journal. Part of the article is here in case there is a paywall blocking the content.

Trump Call to Georgia Lead Investigator Reveals New Details

ATLANTA—Then-President Donald Trump urged the chief investigator of the Georgia Secretary of State’s office to look for fraud during an audit of mail-in ballots in a suburban Atlanta county, on a phone call he made to her in late December.

During the six-minute call, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Trump repeatedly said that he won Georgia. “Something bad happened,” he said.

“When the right answer comes out, you’ll be praised,” Mr. Trump told the chief investigator, Frances Watson.

She responded: “I can assure you that our team and the [Georgia Bureau of Investigation], that we are only interested in the truth and finding the information that is based on the facts.”

The Washington Post reported on the call in January, but this is the first time the recording has been released.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 04:15 PM

Trump may be in real trouble from new civil and criminal cases

Courts in D.C., New York and Georgia are moving to rein in the former president’s false statements

March 11, 2021 at 5:00 a.m. CST

Recent statements by Donald Trump and his enablers prove that he and his Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen aren’t departing from American politics anytime soon. But neither is the push to hold him legally accountable, as shown by a new lawsuit — the second against Trump by a member of Congress arising out of the failed Jan. 6 insurrection. As attorneys who have overseen prosecutions or other accountability efforts in Republican and Democratic administrations alike, we believe the combination of civil cases and a pair of rapidly accelerating state criminal investigations make for a potent force to combat the ex-president’s ongoing wrongdoing.

The new litigation, filed Friday by impeachment manager Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), alleges that the former president, his son Don Jr., his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) conspired to prevent Swalwell and other members of Congress from discharging their duty to certify that Joe Biden had won last year’s presidential election. The complaint says the defendants engaged in an extensive, months-long promotion of the Big Lie, capped off by Trump’s fighting words and the violence that followed on the day of the electoral vote count.

Such alleged conspiracies are prohibited by the Ku Klux Klan Act, which was passed during the Reconstruction era to fight efforts to block public officials from performing their duties. The new suit joins the pending one initiated by Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), who is also suing the former president and Giuliani, as well as the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers on similar grounds.

The rest of the story is at the link.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 21 - 04:11 PM

Can Cyrus Vance, Jr., Nail Trump?

The New Yorker offers up a long read about the upcoming Manhattan District Attorney's case/s against Trump.

On February 22nd, in an office in White Plains, two lawyers handed over a hard drive to a Manhattan Assistant District Attorney, who, along with two investigators, had driven up from New York City in a heavy snowstorm. Although the exchange didn’t look momentous, it set in motion the next phase of one of the most significant legal showdowns in American history. Hours earlier, the Supreme Court had ordered former President Donald Trump to comply with a subpoena for nearly a decade’s worth of private financial records, including his tax returns. The subpoena had been issued by Cyrus Vance, Jr., the Manhattan District Attorney, who is leading the first, and larger, of two known probes into potential criminal misconduct by Trump. The second was opened, last month, by a county prosecutor in Georgia, who is investigating Trump’s efforts to undermine that state’s election results.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 21 - 09:43 AM

'WEASEL'berg is squeezed by prosecutors
will he flip?

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Mar 21 - 07:39 PM

I'm not sure what exactly you were trying to link to but a search at WaPo comes up with this from March 11: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/11/trump-lawsuits-civil-criminal/

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 07:05 PM

FRESH AIR master (and National Treasure) Terry Gross just interviewed New Yorker writer Jane Mayer on her article in 22 March issue.

Terry Gross interviews New Yorker writer Jane Mayer

Some interesting items therein. The article is on the New Yorker's website called: "Can Cyrus Vance, Jr., Nail Trump?"

Apparently Trump learned from his legal ninja master Roy Cohn not to leave fingerprints. He has no personal email account and apparently does not give direct traceable 'kill' orders (like a proper mafia don or Russian President). And his most accurate observer, his former lawyer Michael Cohen, has issues about his previous testimony, but can accurately describe Trump's methods and motives.

My takeaway was that Trump and his kin may eventually face some convictions. Those who know him say Trump will leave the country rather than do time. (Now I feel like Donuel, saying stuff I don't really know - time to go shovel some snow!)

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 12:32 AM

I didn't get a chance to hear Terry's interview, but I'll go back for it. And the link I posted a few days ago is to the entire long article.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 01:10 PM


A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset

He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

Donald Trump was a tool in a long-running Russian campaign to weaken the United States. That’s been documented in Republican-led investigative reports, and now it has been updated with new evidence, thanks to the U.S. Intelligence Community’s assessment of the 2020 election. The report, drafted by the CIA, the FBI, and several other agencies, was released in unclassified form on Tuesday, but it was presented in classified form on Jan. 7. In other words, it was compiled, written, and edited during Trump’s administration. It destroys his lies about the election, and it exposes him as a Russian asset.

If you watch MSNBC they replayed a series of interviews after the election about foreign interference and all of the Trump folks (including Barr, who said he "read the intelligence") insisted it was China. Nope. That was Trump's story, and he's sticking to it. But Trump is clearly a Russian tool.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 08:49 PM

By an act of God a Covid outbreak has closed most of Mara Lago. The Banquet room remains open. A significant number of the staff is infected.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 07:08 AM

Congress is suing the Donald for inciting a riot and now two capitol police are suing the big T for the injuries suffered by the Trump insurrection. Roger Ramjet lookalike Matt Gaetz, #1 Trumper in the House, is being investigated for child sex trafficing beggining back in the AG Barr Justice dept.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Helen
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 11:16 AM

Not prosecution of Donald Trump himself, but directly related to his claims of voting fraud:

US voting systems Dominion sues Fox News over false claims the company rigged the 2020 election

"Dominion Voting Systems has filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, arguing the cable news giant, in an effort to boost faltering ratings, falsely claimed that the voting company had rigged the 2020 US presidential election.

........

"A rival technology company, Smartmatic USA, also sued Fox News over election claims for a similar sum of money.

"Unlike Dominion, Smartmatic's participation in the 2020 election was restricted to Los Angeles County.

"Dominion lawyers said they had not yet filed lawsuits against specific media personalities at Fox News but the door remained open."

......

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 11:36 AM

Dominion is going for billions, the Capital police are going for $75,000 each. In the later I hope Trump ends up paying all fees as well because that small sum won't cover the attorney costs of such a trial.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Helen
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 03:31 PM

Maggie, $75,000 seems a very small amount. The only people who win would be the lawyers, in my opinion, and the case would rest on proving DT was responsible for the riot. DT's lawyers will be throwing everything they have into his defence - IF he can find any lawyers who want to defend the indefensible I suppose - but then again, their fees would be substantial.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 04:20 PM

But on the other hand, Helen, these two small suits might make it through the chink in the Trump armor and lay the groundwork for large trials. These could be test balloons.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Helen
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 04:37 PM

Yes! I'd like to see that.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 21 - 01:59 PM

The number of sexual assault suits against Trump is increasing.
It could become further complicated should he test positive for syphillus. A particularily nasty spirokette which can play hide and seek.
Trump will not make it public like Reagan did with his dementia. Two years prior to Reagan's announcment by letter, I had said on local Rochester TV on a panal of psychologists that "Reagan had obvious organic brain disease". No one else had the guts to agree with me.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 10:12 AM

The top two Trump stories appearing in Google News digest, from The New York Times and Vanity Fair:

How Trump Steered Supporters Into Unwitting Donations

Online donors were guided into weekly recurring contributions. Demands for refunds spiked. Complaints to banks and credit card companies soared. But the money helped keep Donald Trump’s struggling campaign afloat.

DONALD TRUMP’S ODDS OF STAYING OUT OF PRISON ARE RAPIDLY DWINDLING

The ex-president’s legal troubles are escalating. The last time we checked in on the legal comings and goings of Donald Trump, things were not looking so hot for the former president of the United States. In addition to being the defendant in no fewer than 29 lawsuits, per The Washington Post, he was the subject of numerous criminal investigations, including one in which attorneys had obtained access to his tax returns—documents that for some reason he spent the last four years fighting tooth and nail to keep secret. Now, two and half months after leaving the White House, have Trump‘s legal fortunes miraculously improved? In a word, no. In three words, hell fuck no. In 19 words, the 45th president of the United States should probably just resign himself to the prospect of going to prison.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 10:36 AM

"I hope Trump ends up paying all fees as well ".

Rather unlikely. Trump doesn't believe in paying debts, even the small ones.. There was a story the other day from his Golf club in Scotland, about an employee there who was complaining about a round of hamburgers, coming to £85. Trump asked him to pay form and said he'd let him have the cash. He's still waiting, but with no expectation he'll ever be reimbursed.

Expecting Trump to pay his debts, big or small is like expecting him to tell the truth. It's just not in the man.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 11:21 AM

Today's New York Times has a major article on how the Trump Campaign succeeded in outraising the Biden Campaign during the last months of the campaign. What they did is made the default for all donations, including one-time donations, weekly donations! The notice was in very small print. Thousands of small as well as large donors were sucked in. Some donors didn't realize what was happening until their accounts were completely drained. Even though many of the donors were eventually reimbursed, the net result was a loan to the Campaign of over $100 million.

Whoopee!

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 07:41 AM

To be fair the Trump campaign did refund money to THOSE WHO ASKED FOR A REFUND. Whoda thunk, an honest crook.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 09:54 AM

Because there were banks involved, they were able to conduct the refund transactions. No one asked Trump if he wanted to refund money, he'd have outright said "no."

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Helen
Date: 05 Apr 21 - 04:55 PM

On one of the TV shows I watched there was a comment about
Sidney Powell making a statement that "no reasonable person" would have believed the claims about the fraudulent voting system but that it was just a typical defence lawyer's claim that would be made in court.

Weird! She was prepared to stand up and be televised making the claim against the voting system but then defends herself by say no reasonable person would believe it.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: leeneia
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 10:52 AM

"...that small sum won't cover the attorney costs of such a trial."

I used to work for an injury lawyer, and he got paid a percentage (20 - 33%) of the amount rewarded.

Subject: RE: Federal, State & local prosecution of Donald Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 10:57 AM

Something tells me that these folks aren't going through personal injury attorneys. Just a guess, however.

Subject: RE Donald Trump the King of Con
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 12:18 PM

Trump only got a round of applause at the Con-man Com Convention but
at the Grifticon Golden Globes he received the Con Man of the year award.

Chauvin and Gaetz tied for honorable mention.