BS: G7 Summit

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 02:45 PM

There are few countries hitting the target of 2% of GDP to support NATO. The list is Here
UK makes the list, and France get in by the skin of their teeth. No other major EU nation (except Greece, and, marginally, France) makes the grade! (Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland do!)

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 01:07 PM

The G-7 was familiar to anyone who have had too many meetings in that:
"we agreed to have a constructive meeting to agree to have a meeting with ambassadors next time. -just not in Moscow or Washington".

The press conferences however are more revealing than what is said and not said.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 12:26 PM

Why Should I be, do I have to have the same opinions as you.
Dave says it is toothless, you think i should be interested, WAV has different views again ,so what,GOOD

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 07:29 PM

You should be, but anyway, GOOD.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 04:45 PM

i am not interested in NATO

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 10:24 AM

Good news, Dick! The G7 is over so now you can start whinging about NATO.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 08:34 AM

That really was Sandman and not me :^]

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 07:46 AM

pissin in the wind, just pissin in the wind
What a glorious feeling I'm in the loony bin
I'm laughing at clouds so dark above
The sun's in my heart and I'm ready for love
Let the stormy clouds chase everyone from the place
Come on with the wind, I've a smile on my chin
I'll walk down the road with a lightened load
And pissin just pissing in the wind
Why am I smilin' and why do I sing.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 06:43 AM

Its a fair obsevation but while change is slow Biden has only had 4 months to correct obvious malfeasence.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 05:14 AM

I shall risk being shot down for "mentioning it," but I think it's worth pointing out that the US consistently undermines the UN by failing to pay its dues (we're talking many hundreds of millions of dollars) and, of course, by routinely using its veto to prevent any criticism, no matter how well-deserved, of the Israeli regime. The UN is never going to be amazing, but these things don't exactly help, and I think there's something very deliberate about these US actions. Its form apropos of foreign policy over many decades, and its constant undermining of the UN, strongly suggests a desire to be the world's policeman...

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 02:13 PM

You are pissing in the wind talking about U.N. change. How many times must I repeat that it has been failing for 75 years. Only a fool expects to get different results by doing the same thing over and over again. I am not a fool so I shall not mention it again. How about you trying the same?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 12:23 PM

Still trying to change the subject, I see.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:24 AM

You are misunderstanding, Dave - if someone proposes an alternative to holding G7s, (in my case, focusing on improving the U.N.) it IS relevant to this thread you have started, and you should not take offence at such debate.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:18 AM

They may well do but we are talking about the G7 conference here where things get done by agreement. It's you that keeps bringing up the U.N. Do you have anything to add about the topic in question or are you just going to continue with your favourite subjects until the thread gets closed?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 05:24 AM

Try again re only "The U.N. are a toothless organisation that are subject to the whims of the nations with the power of veto" (Dave).

Don't the other "clubs" (EU, ASEAN, etc.), mentioned above have issues with veto to contend with?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 01:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage - PM
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 12:56 PM

The coverage has returned to "normal," it isn't a bunch of reporters and pundits waiting to see what stupid thing Trump is going to do next. People seem to be delighted with the generous natures of all participants. Without Trump and Putin they might actually accomplish something

this is what they will accomplish, that the haves continue having and the have nots continue having not.
I i can remember people getting excited because obama was elected.... , what did we get a black puppet instead of a pink one

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I tried to make the part he was attempting to quote look a little clearer. -mod

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 09:57 PM

My friend Una Walsh, from the duo No Fixed Abode - coming as she does from County Louth has discovered she is Joe Biden's cousin.

So I wrote this song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=941egf2WPXI

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 04:57 PM

With everyone hoping he's gone for good.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 02:20 PM

The "sorry about the last guy" tour goes on.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 01:02 PM

Years and years ago, Walkaboutsverse was a problem. He would post the texts of his poems multiple times. I think he sometimes posted the same poem as often as ten times in some cases. So, I allowed him to post his poems once, and only once, in threads that were collections of his verses - and then to link to them where there was a need to refer to a poem. That's always been the deal at Mudcat - you're welcome to post things once, but not multiple times. We've also tried to discourage people from posting messages that were just links without explanation.
This is, after all, a discussion forum and not just a collection of links and copy-paste stuff.

Multiple postings of the same thing are just annoying, and smack of self-promotion instead of actual communication.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 12:56 PM

The coverage has returned to "normal," it isn't a bunch of reporters and pundits waiting to see what stupid thing Trump is going to do next. People seem to be delighted with the generous natures of all participants. Without Trump and Putin they might actually accomplish something.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 11:43 AM

How many more times. The U.N. are a toothless organisation that are subject to the whims of the nations with the power of veto. They have tried their best for 75 years and failed to achieve anything of note. The only way forward is cooperation between the powers that be.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 11:23 AM

I think the U.N. should agree for nations to be taxed according to their means, to help with Covid, hurricanes, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 10:15 AM

No, I'm doing nothing like agreeing, WAV. You keep telling us nations should stick to their own cultures. I believe we are one world and despise the idea of nationalism. Global cooperation does not mean that all nations are equal. There are those who can and should do more, which is where the G7 fits in. Now, unless you have something pertinent, useful, interesting or even humorous to add please stop trying to derail the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 06:22 AM

I meant that chap from Cornwall.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 06:18 AM

...did he also like a round table?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 05:35 AM

Arthur is that scargill?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 05:28 AM

...and if Arthur came back to save us, I'm sure he'd say similar.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 04:59 AM

In your Perfect World comment, in a backhanded way, you are agreeing with me Dave; if we move closer to the ideal, with improvements and less hinderance from other "clubs" (me), it is better for humanity.

For example, a discussion on climate change without a small nation whose land may literally disappear..? They should be on that round table, yes?

(PS: briefly, I got the message, Jeri and SRS, about going back to posting the actual verses rather than a link, which previously a moderator told me to do.)

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If you post links OR verses they are going to vanish. Just. Don't. Do. It. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 04:02 AM

Now its about 9AM at the G7. Goodmorning

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 03:58 AM

"hot air ascended, egos were dented, careers cemented, climate change lamented, procreation concepted, but little changed" or regreted.

This seems better than William McG.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 03:03 AM

i think he is rther stupid, his policies are responsible for the increase in the uk of the indian variant, his policies have endangered lives before

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 02:17 AM

!Yes, WAV, in a perfect world, all would be equal. In a perfect world all nations would sit round a table and talk. In a perfect world there would be peace, plenty for all and you could post your poems wherever you like. But it is not a perfect world. The U.N. have failed. We have left the EU. Democracy is hanging on by a thread even in the most civilised societies. So we have to make the most of what we have got. At least by the most powerful nations on the planet getting together and talking there may just be a glimmer of hope.

Dick, if they cannot keep a cap on COVID at a meeting like this there is no chance of them keeping a cap on it at all. As well as the point I make above I believe they are giving the world the message that things are getting back to normal. Do you think that if this meeting endangered any lives it would go ahead? Boris may be a narcissistic sociopath but he ain't stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 05:49 PM

WAV: No.

This thread is not about what WAV may or may not do, but since he seems determined to push the issue, he may not post links to his poems in threads other than his own thread. If he posts the verse instead it is up to the moderator to delete or not, depending on if it actually has something to do with the topic or is a fourth cousin to the subject and he is as usual spamming the thread.

Read the room. Please.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 05:49 PM

WAV, it's my last comment on this. When you respond to so many discussions with a link to YOUR personal website, and YOUR personal "poem", and say very little about the actual subject, it's spam. It's the quantity. It's the fact that I'm quite sure people see you've posted a link to somewhere, and think, "oh, God, not again", and that you don't really care about the subject, except as an opportunity to lob some spam at Mudcatters. It's starting to feel a little violent.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 05:41 PM

The g7 summit in the style of william mcgonagall

one evening in june by the light of the moon


i was down cornwall way. it was a hot day the 11 june
the g7 summit took place that eve
lots of political big wigs on the 11 june were to be seen.
hot air ascended, egos were dented, careers cemented, climate change lamented, procreation concepted, but little changed

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 04:20 PM

Jeri - you have been on here enough to know that others do sometimes respond in verse, so why not me? Over many years, I have sometimes responded in prose and sometimes verse. When I was asked to link to my poems rather than copy/paste them here, I did. If a poem is relevant to the thread, I should - equally with others - be allowed to continue doing that, yes?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 04:00 PM

WAV, what you do with your bad poetry is opportunistically spam threads. You have a thread for your poems. Let's keep discussion threads for discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:00 PM

Agree, PFR - that is very much his thing and how he maintains his popularity despite some very poor decision making the last few months; nearly every evening on the news, despite Covid, he is out and about somewhere with yet another nice photo opportunity set up for him.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 02:45 PM

Boris desperately needs the photo opportunities...

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 02:39 PM

why is this happening, instead of being done by zoom its disgraceful

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 02:24 PM

All nations - not just the wealthiest - sitting around a round table is logically be more "open" Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 01:18 PM

The U.N. started in 1945, WAV. It has had 75 years to improve and get it right and failed to do so. It is obviously not fit for purpose so other alliances and methods need to be tried. The biggest hindrance to world peace is nationalism such as yours. Open discussion and cooperation like at the G7 conference should pave the way to one world.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 12:48 PM

Despite Covid, SRS, the world is becoming a smaller place, yes?

The U.N. is far from perfect but, with improvements and less hinderance, it's the best way forward for humanity and the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 12:29 PM

If they're in the Dark Ages, perhaps. But in a grownup world there are many types of alliances going on in these organizations. They overlap. More communication is better than less.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 12:03 PM

Because I do care, I shall post this again without the RELEVANT (me) but, according to Stilly River Sage, above, "bad poetry":

Apart from some local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the United Nations - no G7, UK, ASEAN, European Union, African Union, or other such clubs hindering the efficacy of our U.N.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 11:57 AM

Running and telling Dad, eh? WAV, you have known for a long time now that the insertion of links into threads totally unrelated to the content of your old poetry is twisting the spirit of the request that poems be germane, and you've been asked to stop doing it. Keep them in your dedicated thread. Moderation isn't discussed in the threads, that's the main reason your last couple attempts have been removed.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 11:41 AM

According to one news channel here in the US, one area of discussion is the resurgence of authoritarian governments, and how to deal with the threat to democracy. Good. I'm looking forward to Biden's meeting with Putin. Maybe "looking forward to" isn't exactly right, but it's going to be interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 10:44 AM

a gathering of pompous self important puppets

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 09:37 AM

This year's G7 summit has been expanded to include Australia, India and South Korea, so our Scotty from Marketing is attending - Scott Morrison to focus on international trade, climate policy ...

Ignore, defend & pretend: Scott Morrison’s G7 climate strategy is embarrassing Australia’s PM will be the odd man out on cutting emissions. His peers will know this, despite the bluster he will put up

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 09:18 AM

Seems the song origin was (partially) clarified in This thread
I think Manchester came out ahead there.

And (DtG) it appears to be 'Pomona' not 'Pamona'. Spelling always helps when searching for an earlier ref.
Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 08:27 AM

”Lamorna Devon? Not so! Lamorna is a village in West Cornwall (the gorgeous Lamorna Cove is nearby, between Mousehole and Porthcurno).”

Well thanks for clarifying that, Steve! My misconception was due to the builders of my guitar telling me that all of their instruments are named after Devon waterways, although where/how I made the Barnstaple connection is a mystery to me - I’m guessing I’d drawn it from a conversation at some time or other.

Whatever, the guitar was built at the Brook Guitars’ workshop at Easterbrook, nr. Hittisleigh, Devon - I know for sure that I’m correct on that because I’ve been there, stayed overnight at the pub in Spreyton, spent the next morning at the workshop while the guys did some work on my guitar. It’s a beautiful instrument.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 08:11 AM

Ah, but I was talking CORNISH miles... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 07:32 AM

St Just to Larmona, Cornwall - 8.6 miles

Albert Square to Pomona Gardens, Manchester - 1.5 miles

(St) Just saying...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 05:26 AM

Lamorna Devon? Not so! Lamorna is a village in West Cornwall (the gorgeous Lamorna Cove is nearby, between Mousehole and Porthcurno). The Albert Square in the song has been claimed for Manchester, but we in Kernow hotly dispute this: there's an Albert Square in the nearby town of St Just-in Penrith. It's all not far from the G7, though I doubt that Joe Biden and Boris Johnson will be doing a turn in the Star Inn in St Just, quite likely the best-known session pub in Cornwall...

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 04:28 AM

You must recite the ‘Heil Boris’ ten times…

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:44 AM

Yes, Lamora is that well known typo but it was not the press that got that one wrong, it was me :-( Mea Culpa

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:38 AM

The Lamorna is a river in Devon, flows into the Bristol Channel, I believe, near Barnstaple. I have a Brook ‘Lamorna’ guitar, built in Devon and named after the river - it’s a beautiful-looking and -sounding instrument.

Now back to the thread topic….

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:26 AM

Nor is it Lamora!

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:26 AM

The story in "Lamorna" is of two people out to trick each other in different ways.
Could be appropriate?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:18 AM

To give this a more folkie flavour, I have just read that local shanty group "Bhyer's Boys" will entertain the world leaders with the traditional Cornish sea shanty "Lamora".

It's just a shame that Lamora is neither traditional, Cornish nor a sea shanty :-D It started life as a Music Hall song from Manchester - Pamona.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:05 AM

It was quite an endearing sight to see Jill Biden and Carrie Johnson walking barefoot on the beach with baby Wilfred. I'm not usually interested in such things but I must say it made a pleasant change from all the bad news :-)

I don't know if I feel sorry for or jealous of Joachim Sauer. The only bloke amongst all those ladies. I wonder how he responds whenever anyone says that behind every successful man there is a good woman?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 07:45 PM

I just read an article about Jill Biden participating in some events with Joe (two meetings with the queen and "will Jill be too casual?" questions and a reminder that Michelle Obama put her arm around Liz's shoulders at one point, and got a reciprocal hug around the waist). The nonsense people have to get up to to meet that particular figurehead.

Dr. Biden is also meeting with various groups that support military families, an ongoing interest of hers. She and Prince Harry have been friends for years since she attended the Invictis Games a number of times over the years and they co-sponsored a US/UK walk here; perhaps the two of them are exchanging texts about this trip. :)

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 05:49 PM

It's good to hear all the talk from Biden about alliances rather than the nationalistic drivel that came out of the turnip. It's very weird to hear Johnson talk of alliances while most people can still remember his nationalistic drivel about Europe. What are the chances of Putin playing along and dropping his version of nationalism?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 05:07 PM

Shall we try again? The snotty unnecessary remark (and a couple of responses edited out with a very light hand) and the bad poetry are gone.

I'm listening to news stories about all of the hacking that is coming out of Russia these days (there was a long discussion on Fresh Air today called Inner Workings Of DarkSide Cybergang Reveal It's Run Like Any Other Business. I'd hope that part of that muscle flexing has to do with addressing this kind of crime.

Trump trashed so many international alliances and was so focused on what all of these countries could do for him (host his golf courses and hotels?) that I think everyone still has a bad taste in their mouths. Biden as the clean up crew has to not only do the forward thinking things of a president, but the repairs from the last one.

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 12:59 PM

What a coincidence. I got chance to order 6 decent wines from Naked for £20 and one of them is Portuguese Montaria. Looking forward to trying it.

Dick, if you hadn't noticed Steve and I know each other pretty well and I knew he would see the funny side. Your post was not only provocative but also completely pointless.

Now, back to G7. Anyone but Steve got anything sensible to add?

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 11:26 AM

Fortunately for me and my logistical requirements, the action is at the other end of the county. Cornwall is long, thin at one end and thick at the other, and the G7 gang are meeting at the thin end, whereas Bude is at the thick end. There are thousands of cops in St Ives/Carbis Bay, in an area that doesn't even have its own police station, and Cornish people are not used to road blocks and coppers carrying weapons. I'll be steering clear, though my daughter does live a lot closer to proceedings, in Truro. The weather is damp, murky and muggy today, not Cornwall at its best, so a few of the dignitaries may be somewhat unimpressed. However, a barbecue weekend is forecast. I've laid in a supply of the sensationally good Portuguese red wine from Morrison's, Cidade Branca, currently £6.50, Dave...

What will come out of the meetings is probably less important than the bigwigs actually getting together in person and seeing that other countries are run by similarly vulnerable and imperfect human beings. As Dave says, progress on the climate emergency would be good (I was on the A30 near Launceston this morning and the banners were up on the flyovers). They'll have their own agendas, of course, and, as Maggie Thatcher once famously said, will not be wanting to go naked into the negotiating chamber. Whilst the very last thing I would ever have wanted to see was a tits-out Thatcher, it might actually have been quite a good idea...

Subject: RE: BS: G7 Summit
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 09:15 AM

There will be an attempt to mend NATO alliances. How it is recieved is important.

Subject: BS: G7 Summit
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 21 - 07:43 AM

Anyone any thoughts on it?

Couple of things I have spotted. Biden seems to be flexing his muscles a bit. Understandable as it is the first time has has been in such a position. Good luck to him as long as he does not overdo it!

If anything to fix global companies taxation comes out of it it will be good. Even better if they get an agreement on controling climate change.

I know it is in the UK but mods please note - This is not UK politics! Well, unless Steve Shaw gets stuck in all the road blocks :-D