BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:37 AM

Just had our annual boiler service from British Gas. Our greyhound went absolutely balistic when he rang the doorbell, so we got him to sit down and once our grey had sniffed him she settled down on her bed for the 45 minutes he was in our house!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:23 AM

Our greyhound met a beautiful much younger very nervous greyhound yesterday which had been rescued from Ireland before being put down, an active racer for which the owner had no further use since covid had stopped all racing.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 10:45 AM

This thread has some good-natured things in it and I miss it,
even with those other posts mixed in.

Backwoodsman, come on back and cheer up!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 05:28 PM

The recommendation for greyhounds is a Martingale Collar - google can explain it better than I can, which I use with a thick 4 foot lead.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 04:47 PM

Backwoodsman, thanks for the harness recommendations!
I have met a number of border terrier owners
and without exception they prefer harnesses to lead-collars.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 12:13 PM

I never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever, attach the lead to my dog’s collar - it’s very difficult to control a dog, even a small dog, with a lead attached to its collar, and there’s always the danger of neck-injury. In the case of a terrier who has a strong chase-instinct, it’s an ever-present danger.

We use a harness - Ruff-wear, Hurtta, or Dog-Copenhagen (we have all three) depending on where we’re taking him - all designed to prevent escape, and with a handle for close-control, and another for lifting him into the car, over stiles or other tall structures. Far better for the dog, and reassuring for the responsible owner.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 11:58 AM

Ah Bonzo, many of our village dog-owners use those long extending lead thingys, and only yesterday I watched from The Bench as a Jack Russell made a detour into our front garden (open plan) and did a massive Poo Emoji type of crap in the middle of our lawn. A few seconds later his owner appeared on the end of the long lead. Before I could point to the 'contribution', she had made a swift run for it followed by Dog.
Husband heroically picked it up on a shovel and buried it, inserting a small stick in the soil so we don't get it on our hands when weeding.
Not the dog's fault, but a bit annoying.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 11:37 AM

Saw a greyhound on an extended lead this morning jumping all over the place at the other side of the park - not a good idea!

When we adopted our girl we were advised NEVER to use an extended/extendable lead as in only 5 or 6 paces they can get upwards of 30mph and so could easily snap their neck when the limit of the line is reached. I suppose it depends on your hound, but knowing that ours can go from standing still to full-on zoom in the blink of an eye I wouldn't risk it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 07:55 AM

Hahahaaaagh Steve! Very good!! hee hee

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 06:10 AM

Your tortoise-walking scheme would probably help you to *gain* weight, sadly, Eliza, which would be a turtle disaster...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 06:08 AM

Plenty of surmise there, Doug. I've never had a dog and I walk and walk and walk. You appear to imply that dog owners wouldn't walk if they didn't have their dogs. In contrast, the dogshit bins cost demonstrable hard cash and the people who empty them receive demonstrable wages, paid for by taxpayers. And the reason you don't seem to see many cat owners out there fighting the obesity crisis is that their cats are at home while they're out walking.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 05:26 AM

Of course!!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 05:25 AM

Now Doug, you've given me a brilliant idea! We don't have any pets now, but if I obtained a tortoise, I could make a snazzy little collar and lead for it, and creep along at a snail's pace while munching a buttered crumpet. Do you think that might result in a bit of weight loss?

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 04:56 AM

Many miles?? Our greyhound struggles sometimes to walk for 20 minutes, especially if just before mealtime!!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Aug 21 - 03:05 AM

Any costs to local councils for emptying bins of dog waste can be set against the savings to the NHS through the many, many miles of exercise taking by dog owners while walking their pets. I don't see many cat owners out trying to beat the obesity crisis and, I would hazard a guess, even fewer out with their budgies, tropical fish or tortoises.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 09:33 PM

Of course. I live on remote farmland and I have a half-acre garden with no neighbours. I've lived here for 34 years. Yes I have a cat. Yes I've had other cats during my stay here. I'm beyond reproach. I know that there are many urban cat owners but I can't speak for them. My pussycat stays within fifty yards of my house. That's because of my level of control. Whatever my cat gets up to is as nothing compared to the devastation caused by loose dogs on our local nature reserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 08:40 PM

inevitably, a cat shows up ...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 04:45 PM

Well those red dogshit bins are everywhere round here. I suppose that they are at least partly funded by non-dog-owning council tax payers. Yet dog owners don't pay any extra for this vital service. I suggest a dog licence fee of £500 per annum per dog to cover the removal of the ordure, to disinfect pavements, to treat children infected by dogshit on beaches, etc., and to provide funds to nature reserves and other conservation areas to minimise the damage caused by the hundreds of out-of-control dogs which seriously disturb wildlife, including ground-nesting birds. I can go out on any day to our local reserve on Bude Marshes and witness this taking place.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 07:33 AM

but I reserve the right to question the mindset of anyone willing to cart a dangly bag of shit around for, well, who knows how long...

I consider it to be a badge of honour, to be seen doing the 'right' thing by disposing of it responsibly. If I couldn't cope with doing it then I wouldn't have a dog.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 07:16 AM

You're confusing squeamish with aesthetically-refined. And there's no need to swear. You swear, I win.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 03:59 AM

Doug, it’s mostly from school kids and young men driving by in their ancient Vauxhall Novas with dustbins for exhausts.

Steve, the differences between us and you are…

1) We aren’t cynophobic,
2) We aren’t pathologically squeamish, and
3) We’ve actually grown the fuck up.

You should try it, it’s very liberating.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 07:37 PM

Well I must say that I'm in awe of you guys who pick up your dog's shite (the on-street evidence here in Bude would suggest that you're in a minority). But I can't get my head around the fact that you're prepared to handle that still-warm, stinking mess through the ultra-thin plastic of a doggie-bag which then becomes a scrotum-like appurtenance that you either take home, deposit in an insanitary bin that is part-financed by us non-dog owners, or is left dangling on a bush when no-one's looking. I would never criticise you within earshot for picking up the ordure, but I reserve the right to question the mindset of anyone willing to cart a dangly bag of shit around for, well, who knows how long...

They say that golf is a good walk spoiled. Well a dangly quasi-scrotum of dogshit that I'd be obliged to lug around would easily have the same impact on me. Now who's looking, and where's the nearest bush...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 05:49 PM

I’m often surprised by the ridicule I’m subjected to by passers-by when I’m picking up my dog’s poo.

They must be funny people in your part of Lincolnshire. In almost 40 years, I have never been ridiculed for picking up after any of my dogs.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 03:14 AM

Our village has a Facebook thingy all to itself, and on there are so many close-up photos of heaps of dog-poo on the pavements, with grumbly captions, it makes me smile. People should indeed pick it up, and it's so silly to ridicule a responsible dog-owner while he's doing just that!
My sister told me that Edinburgh has a new tall building called St James, (hotel, shops, flats etc I think) and the summit is finished off with what looks like an enormous pile of dog poo. She says it's like the Poo Emoji. I Googled this and she's right! People in Edinburgh are now asking for two giant eyes to be added, so that it becomes indeed a Poo Emoji!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 03:06 AM

”Those dog owners are disgusting.”

Seconded.

However, I’m often surprised by the ridicule I’m subjected to by passers-by when I’m picking up my dog’s poo. Cursed if you leave it, ridiculed if you pick it up - a ‘no-win’ situation. Still, at least my conscience is clear…

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 02:28 AM

Those dog owners are disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jul 21 - 07:23 AM

We haven't been to the coast at all this year JHW. Our neighbours-with-children have, but told us the beaches were absolutely jam-packed with tourists and holiday-makers. We're being very careful not to expose ourselves to Covid at the moment, so haven't risked it. In spite of having two jabs each, we decided to 'play it safe' for now.
Most of our beaches here have rules about not allowing dogs on them. But dog-owners do let their pets run on the sands and splash in the sea etc (which I can understand I suppose) However, neighbours said there was dog mess all over the place, and their children accidentally walked in it! Yuk.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 29 Jul 21 - 05:31 AM

Wide beaches with warm pools left behind are my childhood (visiting) memory of Norfolk. eg Mundesley.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jul 21 - 06:09 AM

Nearly everyone in our village has a dog. Most of them have at least two, many very large breeds. It's lovely to see them being walked down to the river or the woodland paths. I've noticed that their owners now carry a big water bottle and a plastic dish. Apparently the poor dogs get so hot they pant and have to lie down, so water is given.
How could anyone be so ignorant and cruel to leave a dog in a car in the heat? I reckon I'd smash the car window to save its life. The Police apparently accept this is necessary and do not prosecute.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 21 - 07:31 AM

I don't remember the Jenny Greenteeth you mention, Steve, but just down the road from you in Swinton it was Jinny Greenteeth who lived down grids and sucked the marrow out of your bones

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Jul 21 - 05:48 AM

I let them run mad on that huge beach (the sea was way, way out in the distance) while the coach driver and I had our sandwiches. Suddenly to my utter horror, the tide had turned and what seemed like a tsunami rolled up the beach, engulfing my pupils.
The driver and I had several terrified children hanging on to our clothes, and we swam/waded back to safety.

Probably the tide had changed before you arrived. Contrary to the general impression, the tide does not ebb and flow in a smooth manner. It comes in at its fastest rate between 2 and 4 hours after turning. The details are Here

Not part of my general knowledge until a trip to the Maritime Museum in Jersey last week.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:16 PM

OMG, Senoufou! That IS one for the memories.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 08:14 AM

Never been that way, Sen. I think some walks, like our Blakeney one, do need a checking of the tide tables to try to plan though.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 07:56 AM

Ah Jon, this reminds me of a trip I organised decades ago, with my class of eight year-olds, to Holkham. I let them run mad on that huge beach (the sea was way, way out in the distance) while the coach driver and I had our sandwiches. Suddenly to my utter horror, the tide had turned and what seemed like a tsunami rolled up the beach, engulfing my pupils.
The driver and I had several terrified children hanging on to our clothes, and we swam/waded back to safety.
Never went there again!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 06:55 AM

Don't remember taking our dog (RIP and the only one we had in Norfolk) to the broads, Sen. N Norfolk coast was the place for us and Misty loved the sea.

I think the best (but, on reflection, risky and I can't swim...) we did with her (purely as a one off and our only longer walk) was a walk from Cley to Blakeney and far enough on the sands to see the seals. Our timing was good and we kept a watch but the water comes in behind you quickly there.

More mundane but my favorite place was probably Trimmingham

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:38 PM

It was Jenny Greenteeth up north. She was out to get unsuspecting children who thought that a layer of duckweed on the canal was grass...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:19 PM

Reminder of our long RIP dog Micky who ran out onto a green lake one day. White and black sheepdog size fox terrierish. Survived but surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 03:20 PM

Another hazard for dogs here in Norfolk is that the hot weather has increased the growth of 'blue-green algae' on the Broads. It can kill dogs, and they should never enter the water at the moment. Trouble is, they get so hot on their walks they probably tear into the Broad unless on a lead.
(By the way, a 'Broad' here in Norfolk is not a type of lady, it is a lake formed from ancient peat extraction!)

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 06:48 PM

The falls looked great when nature allowed them to run free.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 06:09 AM

Didn't they have to build Cow Green to make the falls work, inc High Force, often relying on what they let out of the reservoir in a big pipe.
Looks good when overflowing down the slopy concrete walls and the wind catches it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 11:04 AM

Steve, you are NOT wrong until I think you're wrong. As for spelling, the fact that you care makes you right. My Mom used to correct my spelling in the letters I sent home. I rarely use splelcheck. But, when one reads the writing of our ancestors, both Colonial and Empire, one finds that they did not fuss at creatively sounding out the words to suit their purpose. And then you've got folks like Shakespeare who I believe invented whole words. The average American feels entitled (lazy) and so I find that sometimes splelcheck is enabled and active without my even asking it. Which is why when I was preparing a document using the term "cathodic protection" it came out "catholic protection". Since my working superior was capital 'C' Catholic I had to assure him that the error was strictly secular. But it made me careful with the autonomous nature of the coming digital world. Don't want our killer robots to go too far off topic, like I just did.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 07:25 AM

When I typed "Caldron Snout" I hadn't thought I'd misspelled it. Most references spell it "Cauldron" I now see, though Britannica and my seventh series one-inch OS map have it as "Caldron." As ever, I think I'm right and that everyone else is wrong! ;-)

Whatever. Cow Green reservoir, which stopped the Upper Tees from flowing free forever, was constructed when I was a botany student at Imperial College. It was regarded as a tragedy and an outrage by anyone remotely interested in conservation, but we lost, as the judge at the appeal chose "people over wild flowers" (as he put it, I recall). The reservoir flooded large tracts of some of the rarest and most beautiful wildflower habitat in Britain, and its dam regulates the flow at Ca(u)ldron Snout and High Force, to compound the outrage.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 06:08 AM

The G&D Garrigill was the same 3yrs ago.
Previous note this thread or some other about Pennine Way, Cauldron Snout, Gentians, High Cup Nick (a favourite place)
Cross Fell I've been to from the other side. (The PW though for me a day out) Wasps at the top. How could they know a picnic was coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 07:16 AM

Off on a tangent as usual but the mention of the George and Dragon at Garrigill sparked memories of climbing Cross Fell from there - Quite a trek. Returning to the George and Dragon for food and liquid refreshement I thought I had fell into a time warp. Flagged floors, polished wood everywhere, fire burning in the hearth and even a group of old shepherds in flat caps and tweed playing dominoes while their well behaved border collies (back on topic) watched lovingly from under seats.

The pub had a remarkable range of whiskeys which resulted in me missing out on a trip down some old mines the next day!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 05:42 AM

Several dog walker enterprises nearby. Vans (labelled dog walker) would be too hot full of doggies en route to walk.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jul 21 - 08:04 AM

I walked our grey for 10 minutes at 7:30 am today - then 22c, then home and she's been in front of the fan ever since. Dog walker cancelled - now 29c.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 08:14 PM

I'm not looking for sympathy here, but we set a heat record yesterday when I posted above. Today is similar. This is nothing compared to what many of you are undergoing, but I walked the young black lab again today; I went easier on her, kept the pace slower and turned around sooner. She was warm enough to flounce down on the cool grass that was in shade several times. I also walked her earlier when there was more shade on our route. By the end of the walk I was sweating, which is something we don't do much in Alaska.

We are supposed to cool off over the next week, even get some precipitation, which we need.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 06:31 PM

Yes, terriers with undercoats are not meant for such heat.
Better suited to the other extreme. Poor border terrier.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 06:03 AM

I have wondered whether Black Labradogs suffer more in heat.
I'm in Middleton One Row but don't tell anyone. Dogs like being in the Tees.
Barnard Castle for eyetests is now the done thing. Probly has dogs in the River there too.
My garage door blistered time and again repainted Black despite galv primer etc. White, though glaring is surviving.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 05:19 AM

It isn't the air temperature to blame. Insolation when the sun is high in the sky can put more heat into dark surfaces than is simultaneously lost by radiation, so the surface heats up. Lighter coloured surfaces heat up much less than darker. Intermittent or continuous cloud or a breeze can be mitigating factors. A sunny sky and your shade thermometer can be a guide but there's a lot more involved!