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BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!

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Subject: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 22 - 05:46 AM

The equestrian event at Windsor was superb, and was thoroughly enjoyed by The Queen. I look forward to the rest of the celebrations for this remarkable lady.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 May 22 - 05:58 AM

Me too Bonzo! I've already looked out my collection of flags, which I'll attach to various parts of the front of my bungalow. And our village is having a Jubilee Picnic outside the village hall on the actual day. (Wonder if there'll be any crumpets?)
I think the dear Queen has shown such courage, a deep sense of duty and
complete integrity all her long life.
How hard it must be for her to surmount the sorrow of losing her adored husband.
God Save The Queen!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 22 - 06:06 AM

My sister in law told us they are having a street party where they live in Edenbridge, but our immediate neighbours have not mentioned it.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 22 - 06:42 AM

I don't know what's happening near me but I'll still thank God that I'm far enough away from the main villages to avoid any of this crap. I won't watch anything on tv either.

I can live and let live but wish I was spared the fawning.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 22 - 06:47 AM

We are going to Butlins with the grandsons! Lots of things happening near home and I suspect it will be all over Skeggy too.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 22 - 08:27 AM

She's remarkable all right. Her "work" consists of travelling in absolute luxury, never having to mix with the riffraff in shops, hospitals, etc., waving at adoring plastic-flag-waving crowds (behind barriers), making one speech per annum (written by somebody else), catching at least six colds per annum which get her off doing her duties, watching horses and soldiers from a very comfy seat, being cosseted by hordes of servants, patting people with a sword, shaking hands (gloved) with various fawning dignitaries, stroking her corgi (not a euphemism) and never having worry about her heating or food bills. Naturally, she does have to put up with her dysfunctional and idiotic family, but hey ho. We all have our crosses to bear, and like her, might even occasionally have to endure an anus horribilis...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 22 - 08:30 AM

Two speeches of course, the poor dear. I forgot the State Opening.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 May 22 - 08:51 AM

While I shall enjoy the celebrations etc. I still feel that the monarchy is an anachronism and has run its course. I agree with Steve that the queen (and other members of the royal family) enjoy a remarkably luxurious, pampered and privileged life.
Once the queen has passed away, I'd be glad to see the whole structure dismantled and the end of royalty declared. But I still admire the lady for her faithfulness to her duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 22 - 09:11 AM

"Once the queen has passed away, I'd be glad to see the whole structure dismantled and the end of royalty declared."

Me too, Sen. Whilst I don't 'hate' the RF with the same degree of venom as Steve, I believe they are an anachronistic part of The Establishment, completely out-of-touch with the hoi-polloi, and serving very little purpose other than to appear as the 'public face' of the UK on ceremonial occasions, and to be used as a convenient distraction when this greedy, self-serving, and incompetent government is trying to cover up its own surreptitious activities.

My own preference would be for the UK to follow the Irish model by becoming a republic with an elected president whose function is purely ceremonial, and who holds no political power or even a political role.

Sadly, I don't expect that to happen within my lifetime.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 22 - 09:49 AM

No it will not happen thank goodness.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 19 May 22 - 10:23 AM

We Canadians quite enjoy the monarchy because it saves us the hassle of presidential politics as observed chez our neighbour to the south, and we don't have to pay for it.

We do have to stump up for the Governor-General, but Rideau Hall and all its trimmings (including the Occupant) would be cheap at twice the price compared to the alternative.

We are much too close to the United States in both geography and culture to manage conversion to an Irish-style non-political presidency, alas. Would that we were!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 22 - 10:43 AM

Yeah Charmion, but you’ve got…CANADA and CANADIANS, and it’s God’s Own Country! I love our trips to ON (visiting relatives), AB, and BC - heaven on Earth!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 19 May 22 - 11:48 AM

Yes, despite the winters, Canada is a great place to live and we like it. Oddly, Her Maj is part of all that; with the Crown at the top of the heap, we have a critical element in our power structure that isn't primarily focussed on grubbing for attention and grabbing control. It's relaxing.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 22 - 12:18 PM

Yes, I’ve gathered from my wife’s brother, just up the road from you in Burlington, that HMQ is still a big cog in the Canadian machine (he’s a huge royalist, being ex-armed forces (U.K.), ex-U.K. police, and a serving Tronno PD officer).

I may have mentioned before that we visited the Shakespeare Theatre, Stratford ON, in 2015 to see their production of ‘Henry V’ - a nice theatre in lovely surroundings, a great day out.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: meself
Date: 19 May 22 - 12:29 PM

I don't know ... this latest royal visit - Charles and Camilla in Canada, that is - is finally putting me off the whole monarchy thing. I've been switching to American news the last few nights to avoid the stomach-churning sight of all the fawning and gushing. While I do like the ambiguity of our Constitutional Monarchy, the idea of having any future governmental figures or new citizens swearing loyalty to the Windsors seriously rubs me the wrong way. I'd like to maintain some kind of vague connection to the Crown, but as for the Royals - I've had quite enough of them, thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: robomatic
Date: 19 May 22 - 12:32 PM

I think the world of Canada, but I suspect she is better off the less luv she gets from her neighbor to the south (and west).

As for the Queen, she gets my respect. My favorite picture of her was when she was a driver in the War.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 19 May 22 - 12:44 PM

The Governor General costs us less than CAD25 million per annum. The cost of royal visits to us is a comparatively small line item buried within the CAD191 million under "Heritage and Celebration" in the Votes of the Department of Canadian Heritage.

I share somewhat meself's reaction to the public's fawning over the presence of Charles and Camilla in Canada and I , too, switch channels, however, I view it as a problem with the audience, not the Prince and his consort.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 19 May 22 - 03:11 PM

Lacking a network TV hookup, and long unplugged from the cable system, I am limited in my consumption of royal visit advertising disguised as news to headlines in the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star.

Having clocked the headline, my eye immediately slithers away in search of something — anything! — of interest before settling on the editorial pages and the funnies.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 22 - 05:11 PM

You people need to be careful about abolishing your monarchy. Like her or not, Queen Elizabeth is a relatively benign personality. To the rest of the world, she is the human face of the United Kingdom.
Without her, Boris Johnson would be your "human face," and do you really like that? For four years recently, Donald Trump was the human face of the United States. THAT was an embarrassment.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 22 - 05:58 PM

Exactly!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 May 22 - 05:59 PM

No Joe, you are incorrect.

What people are suggesting is a President devoid of political powers, a mere figurehead of the country.... who can be replaced.

A benign person, male or female, gay or straight or LBGT to represent the country at events where a figurehead id susposedly required.

It would be a damned site cheaper than our present arrangement.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 22 - 08:17 PM

That is a rather romanticised view of our country, Joe. The reality is that the Queen and her hangers-on represent the summit of unearned and undeserved privilege. They are generally pretty impregnable to any attacks on their wealth. They give back only what their consciences, or fear for their public image, dictates. The Queen volunteered to pay tax after decades of not doing so. I wish I could do that. Amazon and Google have nothing on the royals when it comes to tax avoidance. The upshot is that they are fabulously wealthy, owning a number of palaces and country estates, the latter largely dedicated to keeping the land fit for brainless shooting parties, an unmitigated environmental disaster. Charles owns huge tracts of the Westcountry (where I live) and profits immensely from the efforts of those who work his land while he fiddles, making vacuous speeches about the environment and architecture and revelling in the fake joys of homeopathy. He cheated on Diana, conducting his affair with the charmless and personality-bereft Camilla right up to his wedding with Diana. And now this paragon is the man we are expected to embrace as our beloved King, God save him. The Queen is wise enough to keep her head down and her mouth shut, but for all her wealth and advantage she has managed to produce a family of entitled complete misfits who marry and occasionally divorce other misfits who will all, without doubt, continue to produce even more misfits. Naturally, our media treads carefully around them. If only the hordes of people who love the royals could see through the whole shebang. Nicholas Witchell and the Daily Mail will always see to it that they don't...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 22 - 11:57 PM

The Queen is a tourist attraction, and a very popular tourist attraction at that. I would venture to guess that she costs a lot less and earns a lot more for the UK than Disney World does for Florida.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 22 - 01:32 AM

Ireland seems to manage perfectly well without a monarch, but with the kind of non-political, ceremonial Presidential arrangement recommended by Raggytash and myself. And I doubt it costs Ireland even a tiny fraction of the cost of the royal family to the UK, or the POTUS to the US for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 May 22 - 02:11 AM

i agree with Jon Freeman, thank god i live in ireland


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 May 22 - 02:27 AM

I well remember my mother telling me "The King is dead!" and then watching the ensuing Coronation on a tiny little black-and-white (of course!) TV at a neighbour's house, together with lots of TV-less neighbours.
And I've met Prince Philip at Edinburgh University (an arrogant prat!). My father had to meet Princess Margaret at Kensington Palace to arrange telephone systems, and she was appallingly frosty, rude and arrogant too. He refused to bow (hee hee) and when she tried to 'inform' him about how to set up telephone systems he cheekily asked her why she'd summoned him (West London Area Manager for the GPO) if she already knew all about it.
It's this entitlement which irks me. Nobody is 'above' anyone else in that sense, just because of their birth. It's wrong. Never would I curtsy to another human being.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 May 22 - 02:31 AM

By the way, I absolutely adored the Canadians I met in 1967 (I went over for Expo 67 in Montreal, then stayed with my Irish auntie & uncle in London Ontario). The Canadians were charming, friendly, kind, and invited me to their lakeside cabins for short stays etc. (I've swum in every one of the Great Lakes!)
I'll never forget my visit to Niagara Falls. Wow! What a spectacular sight!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 22 - 03:00 AM

”I'll never forget my visit to Niagara Falls. Wow! What a spectacular sight!”

My B-i-L and his family live about half-an-hour’s drive from Niagara. They’re bored to tears by the Falls after almost twenty years of living so close, but Mrs Backwoodsperson and I love them, and we insist on driving over to gaze in wonder at them every time we’re over in ON. Absolutely gob-smacking, and we never get tired of Niagara Falls.

We never get tired of lunch at the Niagara Hard Rock Café either! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 22 - 04:04 AM

Seems to me, Joe, that the argument that the royals are a big tourist draw pops up in most threads about them. It simply isn't true and I won't recycle the facts all over again here. Suffice to say that few if any of the top tourist attractions have any direct link with the royals ("league tables" are available), and the truly historical monuments such as the Tower of London and Hampton Court wouldn't suffer as tourist draws even if the royals were disbanded.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: robomatic
Date: 20 May 22 - 01:01 PM

I look upon the existing 'Royal' institution in the same kind of way I look upon Roe V. Wade. However we got here, it was through a great deal of trouble and tribulation. Changes WILL have unforeseen consequences. Not that we don't consider them, but we should consider the history as one of our guides.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 22 - 05:41 PM

Well the history is, as with all disgustingly rich people (except for lottery winners), that they got their wealth, and still do, by exploiting ordinary people. By hiring armies of accountants to avoid tax. By putting their wealth offshore. By exploiting extremely indulgent inheritance arrangements. By making sure that politicians are in their pockets. If history is to be any guide, it should guide us firmly towards a much fairer society. It won't, of course, because history always favours the winners. Our royals represent the pinnacle of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 22 - 04:17 PM

a platinum jubilee is a unique one of a kind likely never to happen again affair. Enjoy


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 May 22 - 04:19 PM

They can't, they prefer to whinge!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 22 - 04:39 PM

btw Canada has one of the best gardens in the entire world.
Also their national anthem is one of the best.
I'm surprised they have not found more novel ways to tame snow and ice besides chains and plows.

If Crimea was in Canadian hands instead of the Russkis it would be a happier place but Canada would probably hand it over to Ukraine straight away.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 May 22 - 07:45 PM

Well, I saw the Queen at the Highland Games at Braemar. It was cool.
When the Queen reached 70 years on the throne on February 6, 2022, she became the first British monarch ever to make it to a Platinum Jubilee.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 22 - 08:39 PM

Well she won't remember you, that's for sure. Your affection for her is very touching. I trust you have enough for both of us, as I haven't got any...


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Subject: ADD: Her Majesty (Lennon McCartney)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 May 22 - 12:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh1hKt5kQ_4

A song for you, Steve.

HER MAJESTY
(Lennon-McCartney)

Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
But she doesn't have a lot to say
Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
But she changes from day to day

I wanna tell her that I love her a lot
But I gotta get a belly full of wine
Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
Someday I'm gonna make her mine, oh yeah
Someday I'm gonna make her mine


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 May 22 - 03:50 AM

Yes, Joe, on a level with McCartney's bloody frog one and that awful Christmas one of his...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: BobL
Date: 24 May 22 - 04:23 AM

Just a reminder that we tried getting rid of the monarchy once before, and it didn't work. But then, look at the replacement.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 22 - 07:03 AM

The Jubilee was a mass monkey Pox spreader event?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 May 22 - 07:20 AM

Was a mass Monkey Pox spreader? It hasn’t happened yet.

https://www.royal.uk/platinum-jubilee-central-weekend


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 May 22 - 08:14 AM

Who cares the Elizabeth Line went over budget and over time, it's is an incredible feat of engineering and invaluable infrastructure, and great to have it named after Her Majesty The Queen!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 May 22 - 08:33 AM

Yep. Billions of quids to London. The Tories call it levelling up...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 24 May 22 - 11:03 AM

In anglophone Canada, the Spring statutory holiday is called Victoria Day (once Empire Day), and scheduled for the Monday next before 24 May, the birthday of Queen Victoria. In Quebec, the same holiday is called Le jour des patriotes in honour of the rebels of 1837-38.

Across the country, whatever language is spoken or culture perpetuated, that holiday is *actually* the official start of Fun Outdoors, observed by mobbing all garden centres, opening summer cottages, camps and cabins, and drinking beer on the porch, the patio, the deck, the front steps, the back steps, or any other external spot not forbidden by liquor licensing legislation or neighbourhood opinion.

May I suggest such a Canadian compromise for our overseas brethren and sistren with respect to the Platinum Jubilee?

Consider it an Official Day Off and do with it as you like.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 24 May 22 - 01:39 PM

The government of Quebec and the sovereigntists call the Monday next before 25 May "la Fète des Patriotes," but large swathes of the populace still call it "la Fête de la Reine."

So, bon anniversaire à la Reine, even if that Reine is Her Majesty's great-great-grandmother.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 May 22 - 03:06 AM

I've just heard that at our Village Jubilee Picnic (in the grounds of the village hall) there will be a 'decorated wheelbarrow competition'! You decorate your wheelbarrow with some sort of patriotic and colourful creations, and everyone will join a 'wheelbarrow parade' around the venue. Sounds like great fun to me. I've got a wheelbarrow, and I'm thinking about how I could decorate it effectively. (Not to win exactly, but to join in the fun)
My much-loved husband came to visit me last weekend, and we are starting to reconcile. I might persuade him to come with me to the Jubilee Picnic. Could I sit him in the wheelbarrow and push him along? :)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 May 22 - 03:25 AM

Could I sit him in the wheelbarrow and push him along? :) if you ae trying to reconcile with him best of luck ,but discuss[ the wheel barrow it with him] not us, first


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 May 22 - 03:41 AM

Hee hee Sandman! Here in Norfolk, being such a traditional. agricultural region, we often have 'scarecrow' displays in the front gardens, on post boxes and street corners of the villages. I wouldn't be surprised if some village near here has a 'Jubilee Scarecrow' competition. Now, if that was put on in our village ...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 May 22 - 10:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yAmrHFlio


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: meself
Date: 25 May 22 - 03:21 PM

"the Spring statutory holiday is called Victoria Day" - but more widely known as "May 2-4", in honour of the number of beers in a flat, which most see more relevant to their lives nowadays than memories of the glory days of the Empire ... !


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 May 22 - 04:09 PM

It's great to have increased transit capacity in the country's capital with the Elizabeth line!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 May 22 - 04:20 PM

As it happens, Elizabeth Windsor has been quite a good public speaker BUT, according to monarchism, if useless she would have the job anyway, for which she is extremely overpaid. We want FAIR competition NOT the ridiculous inhumane inequality that monarchism & capitalism produce.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 22 - 05:13 PM

ha ha ha ha ha HE HE HEE
Confidentially Big Al that was great!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 22 - 06:07 PM

Well I agree, WAV. I'd go further and say that the royals have the rather vicious effect of perpetuating the pyramid of privilege that severely holds this country back. By the way, she doesn't write her own speeches.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 May 22 - 06:24 PM

Yes, Steve - "pyramid of privilege" is a good way of describing a bad thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 May 22 - 06:43 PM

Priviledge = lefty envy!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 May 22 - 07:53 PM

"Priviledge = lefty envy!!!!!!!" Says Bonzo

............... however the Cambridge dictionary describes it as:


"an advantage that only one person or group of people has, usually because of their position or because they are rich"

I'm sure you good people can make your own judgement as to the veracity of these two statements.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 22 - 05:03 AM

It is very rare that I indulge in ad hominem attacks but when people talk through their arse it is difficult to argue against their position. Bonzo, do you post tripe just to wind people up, in which case you are trolling, or do you really have no idea that what you post is nonsense?

Either way, you need either removing from grown up conversation or expect to be ignored by everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 22 - 05:29 AM

Trouble is that you lefties cannot handle any views other than your own!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 22 - 06:13 AM

”Trouble is that you lefties cannot handle any views other than your own!!!!!”

But at least we know how to spell ‘privilege’!!!!!!!!

Didn’t they teach English at your Secondary Modern, Bonz?????????


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 May 22 - 06:25 AM

Thank you Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 22 - 06:28 AM

spelling - B for bad, blame my iphone!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 22 - 06:59 AM

Typical Tory-Righty deceitfulness - pass the blame on. Just what the Blond Buffoon does - he’d be proud of you Bonz.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 May 22 - 07:26 AM

that's your problem BWM - a pinko! You and Vladmir Ilyich Lenin!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 May 22 - 07:30 AM

Are there any suitable songs for the 282nd birthday of the Marquis de Sade?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 22 - 07:35 AM

I bet Methuselah's family got pissed off having to celebrate all those birthdays.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 May 22 - 07:43 AM

Masochism Tango perchance Jack?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 May 22 - 08:38 AM

”that's your problem BWM - a pinko! You and Vladmir Ilyich Lenin!

Ha! I’ve always understood the epithet ‘Pinko’ to be a euphemism meaning a homosexual man! I certainly don’t fall into that category - anyone who knows me can confirm!

I also regard myself as politically slightly left of centre, so I don’t really think I fall into Lenin’s category either.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 22 - 04:04 PM

"We share the same world but not the same opportunities" (Elizabeth Windsor)...so end monarchism.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 22 - 04:10 PM

Absolutely no no no no no.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 22 - 06:03 PM

If she thinks she shares the same world as the mass of ordinary people, I'm afraid she's seriously deluded. No zero hours for her, no worries about energy bills doubling, no waiting for years for your crucial operation, no food banks, no sending your kids to crumbling schools with outsize classes, huge country estates which see off the riffraff...

Just tell her that you're from Croydon, Bonzo. First, she'll ask where it is, second, she'll get her goons to see you off sharpish...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 May 22 - 01:23 AM

Well, most of us in this village have put our flags up. Some people have giant flagpoles and huge Union Jacks, others strings of smaller flags.
I've got medium-sized ones sprouting out of the honeysuckles on either side of the front door, and smaller ones attached to the windowsills as well.
Husband is going to attend the Jubilee event with me on Thursday, in the grounds of the village hall, wearing one of his lovely, brightly-coloured traditional outfits (long tunic over narrow trousers).
I think the entire village will be delighted to see him!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 May 22 - 02:02 AM

thanK god i have left the UK


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 22 - 05:40 AM

Well as we live in the middle of nowhere I won't be seeing any flags round here. I suppose I'll have to venture into town at some point, however, and we're having a special-treat cream tea (done the Cornish way, cream on top) at the Memory Café on Friday. Generally speaking, there are two or three occasions every year when the locals know that Bude is best avoided, and this weekend will definitely be one of 'em!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 May 22 - 07:21 AM

Steve - a bit of thread-drift and apropos of nothing, but I did a voyage, back in my Tall-Ship-crew-days, with a guy from Bude. A very nice man indeed, and a great colleague working in the galley - a hard worker, and a source of quite a few laughs. Happy days!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 May 22 - 10:22 AM

Privilege:
............... however the Cambridge dictionary describes it as:
"an advantage that only one person or group of people has, usually because of their position or because they are rich"


So, along with the royals we can include union leaders etc. as 'privileged'.

Good to see it's available to both sides.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 May 22 - 10:40 AM

It is one thing to have earned privilege and an entirely different matter to have inherited it, Nigel. You are not comparing like with like there.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 22 - 11:55 AM

I wonder if Nigel actually believes that an elected Trade Union leader is privileged to the same extent that the RF are? Or is he just following what has become his rather boring obsession with parasite-eggs?

I also wonder what he does with all those nits he picks - eat them?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 May 22 - 12:30 PM

You are not comparing like with like there.
No I was comparing to the dictionary definition, as provided.

I wonder if Nigel actually believes that an elected Trade Union leader is privileged to the same extent that the RF are?
Not to the same extent, but I see no-one claiming that the Union leaders are not privileged above those whom they claim to serve. How is this privilege 'earned'?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 May 22 - 02:01 PM

Nigel, perhaps it is time to answer you with some four letter words and anglo saxon vocabulary


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 May 22 - 02:02 PM

are Nigel Parsons and Bonzo 3 legs the same people


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 May 22 - 02:54 PM

are Nigel Parsons and Bonzo 3 legs the same people

No.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 22 - 04:48 PM

Well, Nigel, I've been a member of my trade union for fifty years. In my union, and in all others (with extremely limited exceptions), leaders (presidents, general secretaries, members of the executive, etc.) are elected, typically via postal votes of union members. In contrast, I don't recall being asked to vote for any member of the royal family nor for any of their extensive entourage, even though I have to contribute to their upkeep. Just thought I'd mention it.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 22 - 09:06 PM

True enough. But of course none of us had any chance to vote for Boris Johnson either, apart from those living Uxbridge.   And most people didn't even vote for the Tories either.

But imagine if he was Head of State…


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 12:34 PM

I see both sides of the debate over the value of the monarchy.
When I think of the queen, I remember her as an ambulance driver in WWII and scaring some Arab potentate by driving him herself in her Landrover.
(He wasn't used to ANY woman driving).
But, sure..I see why many feel the the money and pomp attending the monarchy is antiquated and needs to be converted into something simpler. I'll bet it would make Brexit seem simple to adopt by comparison.

Anyway, it is all 'interesting' from an outsiders viewpoint... and my own ancestry is rooted in English & Scottish history.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 02:03 AM

The stuffy establishment did not want TV cameras inside Westminster Abbey during the Coronation. Luckily when Elizabeth was told, she was having none of that and insisted it was broadcast to the nation. Peter Dimmock made sure that we had the best views on our tiny 9" black and white televisions!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 02:39 AM

I still feel that the monarchy is an anachronism, and ought to be 'disbanded' after this Jubilee doo-dah.
I well remember watching the queen's coronation on a tiny black-and-white TV set (neighbour's house, we didn't have a TV then) But my attitude has changed, and I think the enormous privilege the royals enjoy, merely because of their birth, is antiquated nowadays. Our leaders/representatives etc should be democratically elected.
The weather is glorious this morning, and I am looking forward to our village hall activities, plus seeing my husband again, in his African outfit. (He's coming over at 10am) There will apparently be a 'Scone Pop-Up Stall' (why no crumpets eh?) and the much-publicised Decorated Wheelbarrow competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: BobL
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:06 AM

What disturbs me is that anti-monarchist arguments are, all too often, not concerned with making life better for anyone, but making it worse for a handful of people who for historical reasons, neither merit nor fault of their own, find themselves in a privileged position. Levelling down doesn't necessarily lead to levelling up.

Like Bill D, I can see both sides. However, for the last couple of centuries the monarchy has (mainly) worked well, and my inclination is to follow the principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:04 AM

In the long term, doing away with a privileged-by-accident elite would be for the good of everyone. When Jesus said that to them that have it shall be given, he wasn't advocating the continuation of unearned privilege: he was making bitter comment on the unfairness of life. He wasn't wrong all the time...

On another matter, I note that the Queen has made Arlene Foster a dame. Arlene Foster. Hard-right wrecker of any chance of harmonious politics in Northern Ireland. Opposer of the Good Friday agreement. Implacable opponent of same-sex marriage and civil partnerships for different-sex couples. A vicious anti-abortionist. Opportunistic propper-up of Theresa May's lame-duck government. Mired in what was quite likely corruption. As far as I'm concerned, her elevation brings the honours system into utter disrepute. I'd like to think that it could be another nail in the monarchy's coffin, but, sadly, that's just a pipe-dream.

Have a nice day, all you sycophants!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Howard Jones
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:13 AM

I agree the monarchy is an anachronism. It is a privileged life, but also one of extraordinary constraints. The Queen is personally wealthy (although not wealthy enough to appear in the Top 250 of the Sunday Times Rich List) but has comparatively little freedom to enjoy it. It seems a cruel thing to do to a family.

On the other hand, it is unclear whether republics fare any better than monarchies. There is an argument that monarchies provide greater stability, but probably there are too many other variables to draw any proper conclusions. What is certain is that an elected head of state, even one with a purely ceremonial role, is inevitably a political figure to some degree.

It is true the British monarch is not elected by the people. Nevertheless her powers are mostly exercised through the elected parliament.

The impact of the cost of the monarchy is exaggerated. The Sovereign Grant in 2020-21 was £85.9m, equivalent to £1.29 per person. Of that, £34.4m was for the refurbishment of Buckingham Palace, which is owned by the Crown ie the state, not the Queen personally. It is a publicly-owned asset. The core cost is equivalent to 77p per person. The Sovereign Grant is paid from income from the Crown Estate (with the remainder going to the Treasury), not from general taxation.

Of course a stripped-down head of state could cost less to run. The Irish presidency costs only €5m, on the other hand Denmark's costs €80m and Poland's €115m. It is difficult to know if this is comparing like with like. £85.9m is a large sum, but compared with total public expenditure of over £1 trillion it is a drop in the ocean. It is legitimate to debate how public money is spent, but it is naïve to think that saving a few million here or there will make any difference to anything.

Of course it is entirely legitimate to want a republic, but polls have consistently shown that the overwhelming majority don't support it. Personally I am content with what we have. That may be in part due to the current Queen, who on the whole has done a remarkably good job of adapting the role to changes in society. It remains to be seen how well Charles will do (I suspect better than his critics believe) but the institution is greater the than the individual holding it. Nevertheless it must continue to adapt, and that probably means reducing the roles of the wider Royal Family.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:17 AM

But of course, Steve, the ‘Queen’s Birthday Honours List’ is nothing of the sort - the list is determined by the Honours Committee and the Prime Minister, not by HMQ, so she hasn’t really ‘made’ anybody anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:25 AM

RE Trooping The Colour, the saying "champing at the bit" is ridiculous as what the horse is keen on is trying to get the damn thing out of its mouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:26 AM

I'm not bothered about the cost to all of us so much as the principle of giving extremely wealthy people even more money. It isn't true that they operate under huge restraints. The Queen has several vast and luxurious residences. She travel in cosseted luxury, hang the expense. She owns vast estates on which privileged men can catch the finest salmon or shoot at silly birds that are kept on carefully-manicured land in order to make sure that there are enough of them there to get shot at, an environmental disaster. She doesn't have to worry about a thing, apart from her disreputable, spoiled and dysfunctional family, who, to a large extent, are the way they are because of the privilege that embraces them as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:30 AM

It's called the QUEEN'S birthday honours, John. It has her name on it, her rubber stamp. She it would be who pats them all with a sword. She owns it. If you tried to tell me that she has absolutely no say, I wouldn't believe you!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:38 AM

WE are looking forward to start watching Trooping thr Colour this evening!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:41 AM

Congratulations to Her Majesty The Queen, on this, her Platinum Jubilee.

Thank you for a lifetime of service.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:47 AM

The point I was making, Steve - the point which you neatly side-stepped - is that, no matter what it’s called, it’s not the Queen who decides who receives what, it’s a committee of senior civil-servants and others, plus the PM, who decide. Whether you believe it or not, that’s the fact of the matter. As you say, she rubber-stamps the list, nothing more.

How the British Honours System works…


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:03 AM

Congratulations to all on the Platinum Jubilee Honours List, especially those awarded the British Empire Medal!!


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:10 AM

Especially to James Milner, superb footballer, charity fundraiser and leader of men, a loyal servant of Liverpool FC.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:13 AM

Further to the above on Trooping the Colour, for what it's worth, I do like the marching music WITHOUT the horses - we can keep that going after our return to republicanism.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:21 AM

I remember watching the then 17-year-old James Milner at Elland Road in his first few games for Leeds United. Even then, a great player. Well worth his MBE.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:24 AM

My uncle was a Buck Palace guard. There's a photo of him somewhere wearing his bearskin (I got a bollocking once for calling it a busby). He was a damn fine E flat bass player in Besses o' th' Barn Band as well. I do have come-froms, you know.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 06:46 AM

The Metro I got before that steam train from Bury to Rawtenstall (as recently posted on WAV with Pics) stopped at Besses o' th' Barn. (Maybe that's one thing we can all agree on, England has some great place names.)


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:24 AM

I understand that the last hangman in England had a pub at Besses.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:36 AM

I just did a search and learnt the long-running brass band you mention is quite famous and have concerts later in the year...


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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:40 AM

The Queen in lavander looks good for 96. She is beloved for her silence according to some talking heads but I recall her delivering some momentus speechs. Long live the Queen indeed. She deserves 4 days of muscle relaxants for her back and a unique reverence for her established lifelong duties.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:42 AM

*Grenade*: Separation of ceremonial and actual head of state is a Good Thing, and well worth £1.29 a year. Imagine the ego boost to Alexander B**** de Pfeffel if *he* was at the centre of the Trooping of the Colours; compare and contrast with Vlad the Invader taking the salute in Red Square (mayday, mayday).


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 08:51 AM

I am sure that getting rid of the monarchy would do absolutely nothing to reduce inequality and inequality in this country. It's a daft aspect of the country, but then so is Morris Dancing.

I can see having an elected head of state landing the country with President Boris Johnson. Or even a President Jimmy Saville.

There's no particular reason they couldn't just keep the present Queen in place for good. Or bring back King Arthur, the Once and Future King. There's no real need for a symbolic Head of State to be a living person. And all the pageantry people love could remain. The stuff with opening hospitals and so forth could be carried out by Pearly Kings and Queens and suchlike.


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:31 AM

A magnificent flypast which apparently flew over the centre of Croydon, we are 5 miles away so only heard it in the background. Big Jet TV did a wonderful broadcast from the Rembrandt Hotel roof in Knightsbridge which I recorded live!!!


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:35 AM

A reminder: the jubilee has nothing to do with your personal politics. It’s about celebrating Britishness, it’s about unity. You don’t need to think that everything about Britain is wonderful, just that being British is wonderful and that the Queen’s reign has been remarkable.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:36 AM

More global warming then. Along with the burning of grouse moors leading to the destruction of peat.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:48 AM

I'm British by accident of birth and I'm not going to go round thinking that it's wonderful to be British. As it happens, we have a once-marvellous NHS that's falling to pieces, a shortage of workers in many areas, inflation rocketing up (ignore the official figures: it's far worse than that), a corrupt and incompetent government, food shortages, food banks and a liar and hypocrite for a prime minister. How good is that.


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From: Howard Jones
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:51 AM

"I'm not bothered about the cost to all of us so much as the principle of giving extremely wealthy people even more money."

OK, so suppose we had an elected president. That role would still need to be funded. They would need accommodation, staff, travel expenses, the cost of official functions, etc etc. That cost would fall on the state, regardless of the incumbent's personal wealth, or lack of. That is what the Sovereign Grant covers - the costs of carrying out the role of head of state. It is not for the Queen's personal expenditure, that comes from her private resources.

Of course these costs could possibly be reduced, but that has nothing to do with monarchy v republic. Some monarchies run very modestly, some presidencies cost far more than our Royal Family. It all depends on what the nation wants and expects from its head of state. The majority of British people seem to enjoy a bit of spectacle and flummery.


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:10 AM

Great to see the scum protesters at Trooping the Colour were very forcibly removed immediately.


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From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:25 AM

"scum protesters" really? ............ do you know these people, do you know where they live, if they are married, if they have children, what they do for a living, do they vote Conservative, Liberal or Labour are they kind to strangers.

If so please share it with us .............. or keep your bigotted opinions to yourself


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:27 AM

Although they take an eternity to decide, one thing I agree with the U.S. on (the tennis tie-breaker is another) is an elected President as Head of State. Apparently, Australia only just failed to become a republic because many were concerned about Parliament choosing their Head of State.


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From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:45 AM

You can't have good times without bad times, unless you want to go the Starbucks route and call a 'small' a 'tall'.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:50 AM

...is that just for the rutting season, Robo?


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From: meself
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 11:29 AM

I would just like to see the monarchy wound down to where the Royals still have some regalia to wear when they're on display, and some glad-rags for when they cut the ribbons at the opening of laundromats, etc., and appropriate 'security', but, beyond that, something much closer to the lifestyles of. let's say, the middle-class.

I'm afraid the Queen is the last Royal I'll be willing to curtsey to.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 11:38 AM

In the manner of Rob Roy, maybe we have our solution: "Meself, Meself, Meself..!"


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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 12:43 PM

I do not believe Britain is as decrepid as Mr. Shaw says.
When it comes to decrepitude England should be near the bottom of the list of nations. I don't know who gets the top most vile slot.


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 12:59 PM

"scum protesters" yes, I hope they are put away, your DO NOT protest at Trooping the Colour.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 01:07 PM

In line with what I posted above - "RE Trooping The Colour, the saying "champing at the bit" is ridiculous as what the horse is keen on is trying to get the damn thing out of its mouth" - just noticed on the news they were animal rights protestors.


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 03:11 PM

."one thing I agree with the U.S. on (the tennis tie-breaker is another) is an elected President as Head of State."

Trump.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:14 PM

"Prince" Andrew.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:34 PM

And whilst Elizabeth Windsor is good for her age, someone of her current capabilities should NOT be any nations head of state.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:41 PM

"I do not believe Britain is as decrepid as Mr. Shaw says.
When it comes to decrepitude England should be near the bottom of the list of nations. I don't know who gets the top most vile slot."

Well belief is faith without evidence. I've lived here for seventy years and I think I'm closer to the evidence that my country is in a parlous state (currently but not always) than you are. And it's not a competition by the way. By the way again, do try to sort out your England/Britain/UK terminology.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:45 PM

By the way (my current favourite phrase), does anybody else here share my utterly unfair suspicion that Prince Andy hasn't REALLY got covid? :-)


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:09 PM

"And whilst Elizabeth Windsor is good for her age, someone of her current capabilities should NOT be any nations head of state."

Such total bollocks from the leftie pefties


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:42 PM

...don't suppose your favourite movie is El Cid, Bonzo?!


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:52 PM

Nothing "leftie" about being ageist.


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From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:55 PM

Bonzo. You failed to answer a single question I asked so I will ask them once again.

The questions where:

"do you know these people, do you know where they live, if they are married, if they have children, what they do for a living, do they vote Conservative, Liberal or Labour are they kind to strangers."

Until such times as you can justify your contention that these people are "scum" we will have to remain in the view that you are a bigot.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 03:21 PM

Re the Queen tapping out the rhythm to one of Queen's songs (not sure if she was made aware of some of their crude lyrics?) to start the Platinum Party At The Palace: God knows, anyone who thinks AMERICAN pop, rock & (c)rap are somehow above, e.g., English folk, classical, & Christian music is a fruitcake, frankly.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 03:37 PM

And someone who wraps folk, classical and christian music together isn't? WTF is christian music anyway? Sounds like something to avoid!


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 03:48 PM

"Wraps", Dave?... maybe I could have typed "OR Christian music" (by which I mean hymns, voluntaries, etc.)


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:06 PM

I am the proud possessor of (wait for it...) a PLATTYJOOBIE COMMEMORATIVE MUG (with matching coaster)! I won it in our Memory Café raffle yesterday (it was either that or a box of Ferrero Rocher). Naturally, for the rest of my life it will take pride of place, er, somewhere or other. Either that or I'll wait for twenty years then see if I can get more than five bob for it on eBay...


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:12 PM

...I guess you were just a tad late to turn those Ferrero Rochers into a Platinum Pudding entry, Steve?! (I think the winner used Swiss.)


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:21 PM

..."rolls" sorry.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:44 PM

Andrea Bocelli, best in the show so far - by a wide margin.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:54 PM

Maybe you should WAV or maybe just stop digging.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:10 PM

I'm not a fan of his. However, one man's fish is another man's poisson. One thing I absolutely can't be doing with is anything by Lloyd-Webber. Very grim, only in m'humble, of course!


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:21 PM

No English/British folk songs or art songs, just a tiny bit of classical music and dance (even though it's RVW150), nor Morris- or clog-dancing.

I want to live in an English Republic of England before a gravedigger sees to me, Dave.


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:24 PM

I think it's a bit mean to put on a big concert as a sort of present for a lady aged 96 and load it with material and performances she's pretty certain to dislike.

I have avoided it myself, and I'm sure that would have been her preference.

I suspect one of the biggest downsides of beingm Royals must be these kind of events.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:27 PM

And now I have to listen to the ghastly hypocrisy of William burbling on about the environment, the fragile planet, etc., when he belongs to just about the most environmentally-destructive family in the country.

And there you are, WAV, Elton, Englishman, singing his head off in the most ridiculous Americanised accent! The tit...


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:30 PM

"It's a little bit funny" he adopted "Your Song" for Diana, too, no?


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:30 PM

If I seem out of sync with the bash, it's because I'm watching it on catchup!


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:31 PM

They didn't show much of the ballet either, WaV. But we enjoyed Queen's kick-off segment.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:34 PM

Is Diana Ross actually singing?


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:38 PM

...being English, she could have played the spoons instead of tapping just one of them to a that rhythm of Queen's "We Will Rock You", MaJoc.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:55 PM

"It's a little bit funny" he adopted "Your Song" for Diana, too, no?”

No he didn’t, that was ‘Candle In The Wind’.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:59 PM

I stand corrected, BW - and hope to know English folk better than AMERICAN pop.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:18 PM

As ‘Your Song’ was written by two Englishmen, in the kitchen of one’s parents’ home in North London, and recorded at Trident Studios in London long before Elton John had released any material in the US, suggest that it’s BRITISH Pop, and to propose the notion that it’s American is nothing short of ridiculous.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:19 PM

Should have said I would suggest…


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:35 PM

Lots of British have copied American pop, BW. I've heard the Rolling Stones mention their musical heroes and they were all Americans. And Paul McCartney, for another example, would not deny that the Beatles were very good at copying an aspect of American culture - he would just say something like "It's a cool thing to do, Man".

K-pop is American pop with Korean words, for a final example.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 09:08 PM

K-pop is Korean pop music with Korean words. It is very popular in the United States. I can't speak for the rest of the Americas.


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 09:19 PM

One thing the organisers should be congratulated for anyway. Selecting a heavily ironic reading for Boris Johnson in the Jubilee Service in St Paul’s.

"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." (Philippians 4:8).

It should have stuck in his throat. But not Boris of course.


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From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:50 AM

Continuing lefty drivel, no surprises there!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:57 AM

I haven't watched any of these celebrations. If others enjoy it, that's fine by me, but I have been off visiting family , on walks, etc etc etc.

Because my son lives around 4 hours drive away, I have travelled through a fair few towns and villages in the past week and have been struck by how little sign there is of anything happening. You see little knots of houses where five or six together are festooned in flags and bunting, then great stretches of nothing at all. Anecdotally, there seems to be more in shops than private houses. We drove through one village where it seems the (parish?) council had decided a celebration was needed and there was a large flag on every other lamp post - quite literally - but that was very much the exception.

By comparison, when England was in the world cup recently, I would say there were far more individual houses decorated. Still not a majority, but more than 20% I would estimate. Currently, it seems to be in the 1% region based on my travels.


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From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:59 AM

"Anecdotally, there seems to be more in shops than private houses"

I mean the percentage of decorated shops seems greater than the percentage of decorated houses. I don't mean absolute numbers.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 04:46 AM

"K-pop is Korean pop music with Korean words. It is very popular in the United States. I can't speak for the rest of the Americas." yes, SRS, I've noticed Americans rewarding other nationals for Americanising, as I've noticed lots of McDonalds replacing native restaurants around the world, plus overseas American unis & military bases...

As I was once allowed to say on a BBC Free Thinking "Theory Slam" - if you are not American, don't Americanise for the love or our world being multicultural.


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From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:44 AM

Not a lot happening up here north of the border. City of Edinburgh Council did publish a list of street closures for street parties: only about 10 in the whole metropolis of “greater Edinburgh”. There’s a free concert on in Princes St Gardens this afternoon, but this was only announced earlier in this last week.
We were out celebrating on Friday night, but this was the 50th anniversary of our local rugby club: should have been in 2020, but twice postponed because of Covid. The church minister who said grace before the meal did conclude with “God save the Queen”.
As for last night, we didn’t survive long at the Jubilee concert. Soon switched over to other channels, mainly BBC ALBA, where you could watch in black-and-white! Fyfe Robertson (remember him?) doing a documentary on a visit to the Western Isles: whisky galore an a’ that!


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:58 AM

From England, I tune into BBC ALBA sometimes, TB, because I love our world being multicultural - including Scottish culture in Scotland.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 09:50 AM

WAV, you need to just stop talking. That hole you've dug is very deep.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:21 AM

The greatest comeback since Lazarus was Jesus but yours just now, SRS, is astonishing!


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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:29 AM

Aww he only got his songs wrong. Why prolong this yawn? Can't we all get along? :^/


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:40 AM

His spin on multiculturalism is mind-boggling.


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:04 AM

No idea how the Platinum Pageant has gone this afternoon as I've been watching the Roland Garros final, but my stance on multiculturalism, having majored in anthropology, could not be more simple, SRS - it's our world/our United Nations that should be multicultural and England should be a lot more English.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

I rest my case.


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From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:50 AM

If our world is to be more multicultural then perhaps we should be showing rather the way rather than reacting against it.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:59 AM

Never mind, Maggie. We republican types (note small r) will all be a lot more serene once this royal brouhaha has passed, and we can go back to talking about how great Boris is, the joys of brexit, how the food banks have improved all our lives, how we were all paying far too little for our petrol and electricity anyway, how three meals a day were only making us fat anyway, how global warming will mean we can sunbathe in our back gardens instead of our getting stuck at airports by those silly staff shortages, etc. etc. Feel free to add more facets to my burgeoning feelgood factor... :-)


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From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 12:06 PM

I was practising fingering on my tenor recorder/English flute whilst watching Roland Garros, at home, Manitas; and, as for know your enemy, I did tune-in to the other Platinum events.


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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:15 PM

Like most people WAV forgets the soul is from the universe and is in the universe so whether you are tribal, cosmopolitan, multicultural or meta cultural its splitting hairs that are a delusional man made fantasy. imho
example:
Its entertaining to envision the stereotypical Englishman from a New Yorker Point of view and compare that to the stereotypical Englishman from the point of view of a resident of Mumbai. Multiculturalism is an ever moving changing irrelevant idea from moment to moment. Whether a person is a hooligan in denim or a proper gentlemen in tweed the ideas of multiculturalism is secondary to soul education of all kinds beyond the bounds of nation states, isolationism or religious tradition.
Maybe I missed your point but I stand by mine regarding the mind of man.
Now when does the jubilee have beer night?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 04:34 PM

Just caught up with the "highlights" of the Platinum Jubilee Pageant and, if there was any Morris- or clog-dancing, the BBC producer/editor decided not to reshow it. And the closest thing to folk music was Ed Sheeran's folk-pop. In modern England's multicultural diversity, the default culture that people come together with for such events is NOT English but American culture, very sadly.

If you believe me/have been able to see it, how do the U.S. citizens on this thread feel about that?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:47 PM

I do have to ask meself whether the powers that be have considered the metallic hue of the next jubilee should the Queen attain the age of 106. Have we ever gone beyond platinum? What metals are left? Uranium? Sodium? Lead? Alloy? Woods metal? Einsteinium? This is serious. This woman has staying power. We can't afford to wait until 2031 to crack this one, though that would be the British way...

I'm plumping for caesium. Yes, I can see it now. The divorcees William and Kate can't be involved. Charles, now in his eighties, won't be allowed out of his nursing home. Prinny Anne will be running a geriatric horse-riding school on the plains of Outer Mongolia. Boris Johnson will have been in jail for the last eight years, so he's out of it. Harry will be US president, so he won't be able to make it either.

So the Caesium Jubilee will have her maj at the helm...and the whole show will be run by...


Fergie and Nicholas Witchell! Can't wait!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:48 PM

In re cultural domination, this Canadian would like to point out that what comes around goes around.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:17 PM

"Boris Johnson will have been in jail for the last eight years" (S.S.)...I thought he had undiplomatic immunity ever since he got tangled in the union jack at the Olympic Games handover ceremony in Beijing?!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:20 PM

The hologram of the queen in her gold carriage was something.
Paddington bear is closer to the queen than Melania is to Donald.
Happy tea and marmalade sandwhichs to all.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:41 PM

I do have to ask meself whether the powers that be have considered the metallic hue of the next jubilee should the Queen attain the age of 106. Have we ever gone beyond platinum? What metals are left? Uranium? Sodium? Lead? Alloy? Woods metal? Einsteinium? This is serious. This woman has staying power. We can't afford to wait until 2031 to crack this one, though that would be the British way...

These are not based on the royal family alone.
A quick check online will tell you:
55th        Emerald        
60th        Diamond        
65th        Sapphire        
70th        Platinum        
75th        Diamond        
80th        Oak
85th        Wine        
90th        Stone        

That is if you were seriously asking. But in view of your comments about the royal family I would guess that you're not really interested in getting an answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:44 PM

So further to Steves "Fergie and Nicholas Witchell" possible plausible outcome, Donuel, it could be holograms or simply a man-with-a-van around the corner to Madame Tussauds, along with some careful study of the El Cid movie?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:44 PM

from The Guardian - Platinum jubilee pageant mixes British eccentricity with a touch of chaos Sunday’s parade descended into random silliness after a bizarre and forgetful look at the UK through the decades.

‘We want a queen who is like a parent’: Observer writers down the decades on the monarch’s reign A selection of this newspaper’s writing about the monarch since she became queen when, as the fashion editor wrote, ‘surprise is an undesired quality’

From Australia Broadcasting corporation - Queen Elizabeth II's Platinum Jubilee celebrations end with pageant through London ... Sunday's pageant through central London was due to conclude the fourth and final day of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee that has been marked by a military parade, a Royal Air Force fly-past, a service of thanksgiving and a glittering concert ...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 07:02 PM

Thanks Sandra and, more seriously, I thought the military music (apart from the use of horses - as above) and the service of thanksgiving were good and traditional.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 08:03 PM

US citizens feel that you are an idiot, WAV. That is all.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 01:40 AM

The horses were magnificent in Trooping the Colour ceremony.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:02 AM

‘Newsthump’ puts all the nonsense into perspective…


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:08 AM

And, thinking about it, I’m beginning to Wonder if this guy is actually our very own Bonzo3legs? Certainly Bonz is an accountant, and he’s very excited about the past weekend’s nonsense - it all adds up to it being him I reckon! ;-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:09 AM

Watching those horses was wonderful. It's made me agree to my kind neighbour's offer to lend me her mare for a hack in the fields round here (accompanied by her on another horse). I was horse-mad as a girl and spent every weekend on horseback. I hope the poor thing can carry my ... er...weight!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:47 AM

We've been calling it plattyjoobs for days! I haven't decided whether that's ridicule or a term of endearment...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 05:10 AM

...just read "platty joobs" and thought the thread had drifted to a discussion of tropical fish.

SRS - only been to New York and L.A. and, for what it's worth, got on a bit better with U.S. citizens in the latter.

Bonzo - the horses had no choice in the Trooping of the Colour ceremony; you may say that the Andalusian Horse shows in Cordoba, Spain, are even more "magnificent" but, to get them to do all that, requires even more cruelty.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 05:25 AM

That is a matter of opinion, I know a former cavalryman, and I can assure you that those horses are treated like royalty!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 08:01 AM

Likewise polo ponies.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 09:52 AM

SRS (5th June): I agree with WaV on this one: the service was properly solemn, and the parade was an exercise in military precision. And there's nowt so heartening as a well-rehearsed joke carried off well --- Paddington's gong is doubtless in the post, and Prince Philip would have been delighted.

I'll (perhaps) comment separately about ludicrosity of ceremonies.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 10:26 AM

The Paddington Bear bit was cute. And at the very end of the video you hear tea cups being tinged to the Queen beat. Subtle.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 02:07 PM

As a techie, I deeply appreciated the accuracy of their timing. Truly the cherry on that cake.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:43 PM

Well. I was at Imperial College at the same time as Brian May. I think that he's a superb rock guitarist and I think he and he alone has earned the right to decide on his axes. We have enough cittern and other plucked thingie players, and long live the diversity. I like both varieties and lots in between and I'm not bothered whether they're English, American, Madagascan or Faroese as long as they make a good noise.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 06:07 PM

I have not watched any of the padgentry over the last few days but I am delighted to assertain that the queen, apparently, has seen fit to welcome a Peruvian asylum seeker into the country especially one who may have Jewish antecedents.

Long live Pastuso!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 02:06 AM

My new neighbour-across-the-road still has her Union Jack flying from her enormous flagpole, and it's STILL upside down. I'm so, so tempted to go over and point this out (typical bossy retired teacher and ex-Girl Guide) It's actually a distress signal, perhaps she needs help?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 02:44 AM

in a neighbourly spirit you need to help her!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 06:11 AM

Well, her brother hoisted the same flag upside down several months ago, when he erected the flagpole for her. I did pop over then to point this out to him. He's ex RAF and should have known. But I hesitate to stick my nose in yet again. She's a very nice lady, and I don't like being a bossy busybody!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 07:31 AM

On reflection, Gilly, and despite having allowed myself to react to his post above, I believe WAV falls into the same category as Bonzo3legs, and is best ignored.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 07:47 AM

"Best ignored" BW (& Dave & Gillymor) if you like Americanisation/globalisation/John Lennon's "Imagine". I do NOT want us all to live the one culture, & the best way to have diversity, WITH PEACE, is positive nationalism & more respect for the United Nations.

(And you could at least accept by now that I genuinely hate imperialism - be it Nazi, British, or any other.)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 09:03 AM

I quite like the clichés in Bond movies (if not his love of monarchism): when he visits Greece, we get the bouzouki and plates being thrown; in Mexico, we get a Día de Muertos/Day of the Dead parade...and who knows, to keep the English end up, we may one day see him duck around some maypole dances as he chases the next villain!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 09:23 AM

What you're espousing, WAV, sounds more like segregation and intolerance (and not just in things musical) than diversity. I enjoy playing a Swedish Schottisse as much as I do a Southern Mountain banjo tune and if someone told me I had to stick to one or the other I'd tell them to go stuff it.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 10:11 AM

Sounds like it to me too gillymor.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 10:45 AM

Back to the horses: I had to laugh at the commentator's description of what the Irish Guards were parading to, giving the impression that the 2 sets had been composed for the occasion: I think "arranged" is the word he should have used.
"Irish Saffron" included John Ryan's Polka, I'll Tell me Ma, and If you're Irish, come into the parlour. And
"The Mists of Shannon" was in fact The Cliffs of Dooneen followed by Spancil Hill.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

At the Cumberland Arms in Newcastle, I've enjoyed a Swede, visiting England, play Swedish tunes on a nyckelharpa.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 11:40 AM

And if the Swede had played House Carpenter, what then?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: meself
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 11:49 AM

How would you know if a Union Jack was upside down? Makes for a pretty dubious distress signal, I should think ("Take this spy-glass, Lieutenant, and tell me: does that Union Jack look upside down to you?") ...?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 11:59 AM

The broad whit stripe should be at the top adjacent to the pole. Any fule Boy Scout no’ dat!

http://projectbritain.com/geography/unionjack7.html


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:01 PM

meself - https://www.wikihow.com/Know-if-a-Union-Jack-Has-Been-Hung-Upside-Down


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: meself
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:27 PM

"Wait, Captain - let me check the internet - just a sec, I'll pull up Mudcat; they'll know!"


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:39 PM

Yet another reason for a Republic of England - no such issues with St. George's flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:39 PM

As a Girl Guide (and before that, a Brownie) I was instructed about the correct way up of the flag. Then, as a teacher, I always had one in my classroom (up the right way of course).
I don't think schools nowadays cover anything about the patron saints, different flags which make up the Union Jack etc.
My husband had to learn all this to pass his Life In The UK test when applying for British Citizenship. Fortunately, I could teach him and he passed.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:57 PM

He was actually quite good and didn't do much Steve but, yea, I know what you mean. I must own up to holding similar views on the bodhran.

What's the best thing to play a bodhran with? A Stanley knife:-D


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 01:17 PM

I love the sound of sticks, chants & didgeridoo - which, as you may know, requires demanding circular-breathing to play properly.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 02:03 AM

Give me Dave Mattacks on drums any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 08:09 AM

The Platinum Jubilee Pageant was remarkable in every way, we still have 90 minutes to trawl through before watching the amazing world no. 1 ladies high jumper Yaroslava Mahuchikh.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 08:18 AM

Best thread-drift ever, by the way, now that plattyjoobs has gone away!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 08:25 AM

...and we now know what 3legs is a connoisseur of!


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Subject: RE: BS: The other recipe thread is too long
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 04:24 PM

The Queen has said she was "humbled and deeply touched" by the Platinum Jubilee celebrations held across the UK.

In a "thank you" letter after a concluding pageant in London, she said she remained committed to serving as monarch with the support of her family.

The Queen said despite not being at every event marking her 70-year reign: "My heart has been with you all."

She was joined by three generations of her family on the Buckingham Palace balcony for the finale of the pageant.

Her appearance rounded off a huge star-studded procession along The Mall which saw carnival floats celebrating the seven decades of her reign.

Millions of people also held Jubilee parties and street lunches in towns and cities across the UK on the final day of the four-day bank holiday weekend.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 06:18 PM

Thank goodness there were no bodrans in the Platinum Jubilee Pageant or lefties making stupid comments, and how nice to see Her Majesty the Queen once more at the end of this wonderful event.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 22 - 07:00 PM

I've worn hearing aids since 2012, Kevin. For a couple of years they got me through in sessions, but more and more I found myself all at sea and it was so upsetting that when I finally decided to pack in the sessions it turned out to be a blessed relief. My main way of trying to be a good session player had been to focus on someone who had a great sense of rhythm and tempo and secretly "play along" with them. Eventually, once the banjos, the strummers and the pickers moved in, I was lost. It's all good, I'm much happier than I was when I was trying to struggle on, and I can still noodle away with the tunes at home.

As for bodhran players, I can't count the number of times I've seen a strummer or melody player who doesn't know the current tune pick up their drum instead and begin to bash. Well if a tune started up that I didn't know I'd shut up and listen to it and try to get it in my head. There's no shame in not playing all the time. If you don't know the tune, you shouldn't be playing the drum along with it. No-one else can do that, can they? "Oh, it's a reel, and I can play along with any reel...". Bollocks!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 12:02 AM

The problem with most percussion tuition, is that the tutor thinks it is just about teaching patterns of rythym, it is not. , teaching patterns is useful for requiring competence with the tipper or sticks, but the percussionist should sing the tune when practising, and play the tune not a rythym pattern,
example if i was bashing an old goat skin and singing god save the queen, i would need to bang differently from if i was playing singing god bless the prince of wales even though they are both marches


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 03:48 AM

Enjoying (whilst annoyed we can't have similar for English) plenty of good Scottish music on BBC Radio 3 in the mornings this week, as they celebrate the 200th anniversary of the Caledonian Canal.

That's one way the Beeb try to help keep the union together - lots of opportunities for Scots (Radio Alba is another), whilst keeping English culture down/Americanisation up.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 03:55 AM

The usual wankers clearly have nothing to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:05 AM

You really don’t ‘get’ irony, do you Bonz?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:08 AM

I've got a D/G Erica too. Mine is rather battered and 2 treble notes are reduced to single reed. I got mine for Morris dancing but I dropped that and the box in favour of an Irish session I found and mandolin/tenor banjo. I still get my Erica out occasionally but, while I can get some simple Morris tunes out of it, I never got to a stage where I could use it in an Irish session.

I got a B/C box fairly recently as I'd long fancied a try with one. I started with good intentions but it's dropped to somethng I really must put an effort into one day.. I think if you have played tunes in the given key on a harmonica (in my case I had a couple to play with for a while in childhood), playing the straight rows on a D/G instrument will feel quite familiar. Playing say a D scale on a B/C just seems weird to me at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:17 AM

That's it, Dick. Bashing your drum when you don't know the tune is like a cook pouring chicken gravy on top of a strawberry trifle: "It's only food so what more do you need?"

I'd make a bit of a distinction between bodhrans in sessions (unregulated in general) and bodhrans in bands that play arrangements. Yer drummer is then obliged to conform with what the band has agreed. A drum that dips in and out (like other instruments) can be much more effective than one that is tediously bashed non-stop all the way through. Even so, I'm not keen. A few albums in, one of my favourite Irish bands, Altan, started to use a bodhran player, Jim Higgins I think. To my taste (an important caveat...), not one set was enhanced by that. Another grumble is bodhranistas who have become so "clever" that they can make the drum sound like water glugging out of a bottle or like that thing you can do when you pat your cheek whilst opening and closing your mouth. I won't name names. To my ear that's just ridiculous. I'll take Christy in Planxty or Kevin Conneff in the Chieftains over that any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:17 AM

With the BBC receiving major plaudits for its Saturday night Party at the Palace to celebrate Queen Elizabeth II’s Platinum Jubilee, a peak of more than 13M viewers tuned in for the concert, which featured Diana Ross, Nile Rodgers and Queen.

The two-hour long Saturday night extravaganza, which aired from 7.30pm GMT (11.30AM PT), was watched by an average 11.2M audience across the run, becoming the most-watched show of the year so far, according to Barb data supplied by overnights.tv. A share of two-thirds of the British audience watching TV at the time were tuning in to the Party on BBC One.

The figures overall were slightly down on previous major royal occasions, however, such as Elizabeth’s husband Prince Philip’s 2021 funeral and the previous Diamond Jubilee in 2012, although the nice weather and Bank Holiday weekend may have had a negative impact on viewing figures.

On Thursday 2 June, the special extended version of the annual Trooping the Colour ceremony, the first day of the Bank Holiday weekend, was watched by a peak of 7.5M in the morning and 5M average – the most-watched of the day. Later that evening, the BBC’s broadcast of the lighting of the beacons to mark Queen Elizabeth II’s 70 years on the throne hit a peak of 5M with Lighting up the Jubilee.

Meanwhile on Saturday morning, the Platinum Jubilee: Service of Thanksgiving was viewed by 2.8M over three hours in the morning while just over 3M tuned in for Clive Myrie-led documentary The Crown Jewels.

Shows were available on the BBC and coverage was on Sky News, while U.S. audiences were able to watch various offerings on ABC News throughout the Bank Holiday.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:18 AM

Two colours make up the emblem of The Queen's Platinum Jubilee – platinum and Pantone 3515 C. The platinum colour represents Her Majesty's 70 years on the throne, whilst the purple colour is synonymous with royalty.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:19 AM

The platinum colour represents the Queen's 70 years on the throne, and the purple colour symbolises royalty. The gold is drawn from the golden wattle, Australia's national floral emblem. The font used is Perpetua, which means 'forever', which acknowledges that the Queen is Australia's "first platinum" monarch.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 04:21 AM

13 million watched a pop concert which was not attended by the Queen, a no-show known in advance. One suspects that the main draw was not the royals... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 05:18 AM

Last I heard, we can accurately tell how many have viewed a website (that's why the Beeb & other broadcasters encourage visiting their sites) but NOT how many have tuned into a TV channel at any particular time - that still relies on surveys/estimates, yes?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 05:40 AM

...on a lighter note, I recall hearing of blackouts when so many would head to make a cuppa, during adverts, from watching a very popular show on T.V.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 05:53 AM

One more thing, Bonzo. Reading your impressive-looking list of viewing numbers for various events, I was mentally putting them alongside the UK population. The pop concert aside, which would inevitably attract millions of fans of the various acts, royal event or not, the other events attracted just a handful or fewer millions each. Well I'm guessing that, setting young children, etc., aside for a minute, the potential audience would be around 50 million. Not so impressive then. I'll swear that I read somewhere a few days ago that just four people in ten had taken any interest at all in the jubilee, but don't quote me. Not great, considering how much it was pushed down our throats, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stanron
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 06:01 AM

I too have enjoyed the abundance of folk music from Scotland on Radio 3 this week. Radio 3 is not in any way a Folk station but regular listeners will know that folk music does get played, and English folk as well. I can think of at least two occasions when Northumberland Small Pipes have been featured in the last month.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 06:42 AM

"One more thing, Bonzo. Reading your impressive-looking list of viewing numbers for various events, I was mentally putting them alongside the UK population. The pop concert aside, which would inevitably attract millions of fans of the various acts, royal event or not, the other events attracted just a handful or fewer millions each. Well I'm guessing that, setting young children, etc., aside for a minute, the potential audience would be around 50 million. Not so impressive then. I'll swear that I read somewhere a few days ago that just four people in ten had taken any interest at all in the jubilee, but don't quote me. Not great, considering how much it was pushed down our throats, eh?"

and Jeff Beck now has 3 ladies in his band!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 07:33 AM

"Two colours make up the emblem of The Queen's Platinum Jubilee – platinum and Pantone 3515 C. The platinum colour represents Her Majesty's 70 years on the throne, whilst the purple colour is synonymous with royalty."

Well Bonzo, if I was (sort of) to go into a WAV mode, I might comment that Pantone is a proprietary American colour (or color) system. "Truly British" might have tried to pick a purple from one of the British Standard ranges.

As for purple and royalty. I've seen quite a few people in a shade purple lately. These are people from a Norfolk Council service who have helped getting dad to bed while we are stuck. Hard working carers rather than Royalty. Personally, I'd rather associate the colour with the Swift/Night Owl teams that I would with HM.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 22 - 05:11 AM

Oh, let it meander on...

Sorry to hear that, Nigel. I hope you make a quick and complete recovery.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 22 - 09:31 AM

Two problems with continuing these music discussions here. Three, actually. WAV is in time out for insisting the UN participate in maintaining the purity of the English race, and he's the one who started with the cittern as somehow a symbol of that purity. Two, if you discuss instruments here, you'll never find it again later when looking for it. And finally (the least of my concerns) it pisses off Bonzo.

Bonus point, the jubilee is over.

I'm going to move some of these posts over to a new thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 22 - 10:07 AM

Here is the spun-off music discussion from this thread now with the unappealing name of Jubilee side disc: strings, accordions, drums more. There are only so many characters allowed in a title. Feel free to suggest a name change.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 22 - 01:29 PM

How about "Sound waves and unsound WAVs" :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 08:43 AM

The reverberation of a nation's history resonates in its ethnic purity attitudes, classism and Empire arrogance until the proponents return to the dirt.

"Masses to Asses and disgust to dust"
Quote: Mr. Black Kettlepot


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 11:06 AM

I watched some of the YouTube archived videos of things going on to do with the Jubilee and it seemed to be lots of long views of groups of mounted riders approaching via a long straight road to Buckingham Palace (or Windsor - I don't know if they did it at just one or both places?) Slow stuff. Equivalent to paint drying.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

You just don't understand British pageantry then!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 11:37 AM

But drying with *style* :-) .


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 12:46 PM

A Style that no other country in the world can do as well!!


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 01:35 PM

For once, I have to agree with Bonz. Sorry Maggie! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 01:46 PM

Does anyone else think that "platty joobs" sounds like a disease from a carry on film?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 03:49 PM

Well I agree with Maggie. The only thing she didn't get right (though she didn't get it wrong either) was the name of the long, straight street. The whole thing is a pile of horseshit (which there's plenty of as it happens, but which the Beeb cameras shy away from homing in on :-) )


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 03:19 AM

Nowt wrong with celebrating English culture as long as you know that all cultures are fluid, evolving creature. Not museum pieces from some mythical rose coloured past. Which past would you choose anyway? Victorian times when we enforced "our" culture on half the world? Pre Norman because you don't want French influence? Pre Roman? It's impossible to have the pure English culture that you keep waffling on about WAV. Instead, just celebrate that we accept Bangladeshi, Polish, Indian, Dutch, Pakistani, Chinese and any other cultures to mix and grow in the petri dish that we call England.

And, yes, your standpoint of wanting to impose rules on which music individual races can make is racist. If you don't want to be called a racist, stop spouting racist dogma.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 04:39 AM

Nowt wrong with horseshit, Steve: judicious amounts of it encourage the roses. Sadly, the English rose has been repotted in 100% bullshit, which is why it's suffering die-back.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 05:01 AM

I get where you’re coming from, Steve, but I do find the spectacle of large groups of smartly-turned-out, well-trained men, women, and animals (especially horses, which I regard as being particularly beautiful creatures), performing intricate manœvres, and the superb musicianship of the assembled military bands, both interesting and attractive.

However, and like you, I have little interest in the over-privileged family in whose name it was all carried out.

No accounting for taste, eh? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 06:11 AM

England was a blend of cultures from all over the British empire, WAV, and even prior to that it was far more diverse than you suggest. Have you seen, just as an example, the celebration of the African influence as part of the 1900th anniversary of Hadrian's Wall? People have been mixing cultures with wherever they could travel to since the first caveman showed the tribe in the next valley how he hunts, plants and dances. Your view on keeping cultures to their own geographic areas is not only wrong but has never worked and never will.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 06:39 AM

...was a blend of cultures from all over the British empire WELL BEFORE THE 1950s...


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jun 22 - 07:54 AM

There is no such thing as "English" culture. Full Stop.

The "English" are a bastard race mixed up from, amongst others, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Normans, Jews from various nations (for example Italy in the 12th century) Germans, Belgians, Huguenots, Afro and Afro Carribean, Irish, Poles, Czechs, Ukraines, Pakinstan, India, China, Kenya, Uganda, Scots, Welsh. (and probably dozens of other groups I have failed to mention)

The culture of the country quite rightly reflects this.


If anyone can find me an "English" man I'll show my bum in Burtons window as we used to say


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 12:33 PM

A devil's advocate is much like a prevaricating villain.
The evil glory may just be a temporary attention indulgence,




I hope.

Ever notice how extraterrestrials solved their race problem?
They mingled and bred until they all turned grey.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 02:21 PM

QE 2 is 2+ years shy of breaking Louis XIV's all time monarch anywhere reign record (though he was young and didn't take over control for a dozen years or so). Do you think she'll make it to that point? (I read this online and I don't remember where - I don't know if they took into account any of the Asian emperors reigns.)


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 03:07 PM

Don't see why her Maj can't make it beyond her personal century. After all, she now has the keys to her mother's drinks cabinet, and who knows what elixirs *that* contains .... :-) ?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 04:14 PM

If anyone can break the record Elizabeth can.

Regarding poetry, lets start with something a bit fundamental

We'll do soul later.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 04:29 PM

I reckon Charlie will be greasing the steps :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 22 - 08:20 PM

There are Folks we can't stand
who make outrageous demands
or considerate soul mates
who share the same fates
around the same time like penicillin.
I can understand
good and bad are more coincidental
than deliberate transcendental
profound crimes by evil villains.
Good is rarely as good as we think
Bad is rarely as bad as it stinks.
The truly bad to the bone
lie in a land of their own.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 06:27 AM

Raggytash, nearly all my ancestors date back hundreds of years in England ,one exception that arrived on my fathers maternal side arrived in 1871,[ 150 years ago] however i choose not to ,live in England, I am not a monarchist, and understand that culture is an evolving phenomenon that is the result of influences of travel and immgration


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 08:16 AM

And your point is?


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 08:26 AM

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs - PM
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

You just don't understand British pageantry then"

A MATTER OF TASTE AND OPINION


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 12:31 PM

Bonzo understands men in tights, cod pieces and wool pants in summer.
Bearskin hats are obviously for short dudes.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 03:00 PM

> Bearskin hats are obviously for short dudes.

Or hiding your thermos of tea in while on guard duty, in case there's a thirsty bear taking refuge in your sentry box.


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Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 22 - 06:17 PM

My bearskin-wearing uncle, who was in the changing of the guard at the Palace, etc, was a six-footer. He was a damn good E flat bass player too.


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