Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Nov 23 - 04:12 PM

Donald Trump Rages at His Enemies in Furious Thanksgiving Message

Donald Trump went after his political enemies in a Thanksgiving message posted on Truth Social on Thursday.

The former president focused his attacks on those involved in his civil fraud trial as well as on President Joe Biden.

He wrote: "Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Nov 23 - 04:45 PM

If you had no context at all, you'd have to conclude that the writer was completely off his rocker.

It's like the screeds you're occasionally handed by mentally ill people on the streets of a big city.

But since it's Trump, it's OK for a lot of people. Tens of millions in fact.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Nov 23 - 06:26 AM

”If you had no context at all, you'd have to conclude that the writer was completely off his rocker.”

Even with the full context, that is my conclusion, and has been since 2015. And I strongly doubt I’m alone in that conclusion.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 08:53 AM

We expect voting disinformation. The public affairs Council says;
42% of social media is disinformaton
40% news media
32% Republican candidates
28% Democrat candidates
20% Super Pacs
11% Foreign governments
6% Major Companies

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:00 AM

Who do we trust?
68% say friends and family !?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:09 AM

We'd better not confuse "disinformation" with "misinformation." "Disinformation" is losing its original, crucial meaning, maybe because it sounds new and cool and precise.

Misinformation is simply mistaken.

Disinformation, though, is intentional and methodical. In other words, lies and other forms of deceit conveyed for a larger purpose.

Mixing the two together, if deliberate, would itself count as "disinformation."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:29 AM

tru-nuff

Lyrics
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We've got the right to choose, and
There ain't no way we'll lose it
This is our life, this is our song
We'll fight the powers that be, just
Don't pick on our destiny, 'cause
You don't know us, you don't belong
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
Oh, you're so condescending
Your call is never ending
We don't want nothin', not a thing from you
Your life is trite and jaded
Boring and confiscated
If that's your best, your best won't do
Woah-oh-oh
Woah-oh-oh
We're right (yeah)
We're free (yeah)
We'll fight (yeah)
You'll see (yeah)
Whoa-whoa, we're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
No way!
Woah-oh-oh
Woah-oh-oh
We're right (yeah)
We're free (yeah)
We'll fight (yeah)
You'll see (yeah)
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We're not gonna take it (no!)
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore (just you try and make us)
We're not gonna take it (come on!)
No, we ain't gonna take it (you're all worthless and weak)
We're not gonna take it anymore (now drop and give me 20)
We're not gonna take it (a pledge pin)
No, we ain't gonna take it (on your uniform)
We're not gonna take it anymor

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Nov 23 - 09:20 PM

I'm so indicted
I just might bite it
I had more votes than him and now I'm indicted
So it's decided
I was...misguided?
They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you

I'll get a lawyer, and I won't take chances
They're gonna offer me some kind of deal
Just plead exterminating circumstances
Or maybe like Cohen, I will squeal

Right now I'm freakin', leakin'
Right into my trousers
If I tattle, that'll
Lead to both of you
Don't go that trail
I'm too cute for jail

Don't be short-sighted
Then help me fight it
Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it
Hey, let's all try it...

I am not a crook
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, I did not organize an insurrection, Mission accomplished

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 23 - 12:19 AM

He's going to be on the stand again soon, in very early December. The last witness called in the case. He can drive the last nail in the coffin lid of his family "fortune."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 11:41 AM

I see another ruling has gone against him.

Keep 'em coming!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 01:41 PM

Yup. The gag order is back. I hope he chokes on it.

New York judge brings back gag order on Donald Trump in civil fraud trial

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 06:31 PM

Piece today from RawStory:

'Jail is next': Mary Trump cites expert saying her uncle is heading for prison

Donald Trump’s niece Mary called up an attorney to get his take on the New York appellate court’s recent ruling to uphold Judge Arthur Engoron’s gag order — and she said it looks bleak for her uncle.

“Donald will be in jail very soon,” Joe Gallina told Mary Trump, she told her substack subscribers Thursday.

She then wrote, “Knowing Donald personally, I fully agree.”

Engoron — the judge overseeing Trump’s $250 million civil court trial — instated the limited gag order last month to stop the former president from targeting his staff on social media. It was put on hold while Trump appealed, but was reinstated Thursday.

In a later filing, Engoron explained that he and a law clerk Trump accused of bias had received credible death threats.

When the appeal court's ruling came through Thursday, Engoron vowed to enforce the gag order with vigor.

“I intend to enforce the gag orders rigorously and vigorously,” Engoron reportedly said in court. "I want to make sure that counsel informs their clients of the fact that the stay was vacated."

The limited gag order does not protect speech against Engoron or his wife, which Trump quickly tested by sharing since-debunked social media posts he falsely claimed came from the judge’s wife.

Mary Trump, a psychologist, argues Trump won’t be able to prevent himself from pushing the gag order envelope further.

“Donald’s massive ego and insecurity make him unable to follow this order,” she writes. “When he is under pressure, he has zero self control.”

And Gallina believes the situation will likely escalate to jail time because Trump has already faced two fines — which amounted to $15,000 — for violating the gag order's limits.

“He was ALREADY warned about possible imprisonment – not once, but TWICE,” Gallina told Mary Trump. “He is out of chances.”

"Jail is next." added Mary Trump.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 02:44 AM

There was also the thing about failing to get possession of documents relating to the Jan 6 committee. The judge said Trump's Lawers were just on a "fishing expedition".

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 06:53 AM

By the letter of the law Trump did not insult members of the court as outlined in the gag order instead, he went after the judge's wife claiming she posted something nasty, which she did not in any way shape, or form.

A gag order is very specific so in a sense, Donald did not violate the gag order but his abuse was designed to inflame both his believers and the judge. Trolls like Trump probably feel proud to skirt the rules but still accomplish misinformation. Call it clever or evil but it is typical narcissist behavior.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:15 AM

The GOP majority in the House is down by one - Santos is out. House votes to expel indicted Rep. George Santos from Congress
The New York Republican is now just the third lawmaker since the Civil War to be expelled from the House of Representatives.

The irony here, of course, screams out loud: Santos did the same thing Trump did. Trump is still the candidate but Santos' lying and cheating got his ass kicked out.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:32 AM

The Santos saga is an example of the failure of the press and media.
It took 11 months to get rid of the narcissistic psychopathic liar since he was not properly vetted before his election.
Ding dong the bitch is dead. He skedaddled right before the expulsion vote to avoid being frog-marched out of the building. Among his many lies and thefts of campaign funds I found laughable was his Los Vegas marriage and honeymoon.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 06:42 PM

A vote for a "third party" is a vote for Trump. Case in point:

Guess Who Came to Dinner With Flynn and Putin
NBC News reviewed video and photos from a 2015 Moscow gala that Mike Flynn was paid $45,000 to attend to see who else was in the room.

Putin will still be pushing for Trump to win, quite possibly harder than before. His getting to keep huge swaths of Ukraine depend upon it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 07:21 PM

A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win. To say you should vote for someone who will help Trump to lose adds up to a democratic deficit. My parliamentary constituency is North Cornwall. It's been held in the past by the Liberal Democrats, who I revile. In recent years it's been held by the Tories, who I revile even more. Far more, in fact. My sentiment is to always vote Labour, but here in north Cornwall Labour never stand a chance of taking the seat. I could shut my eyes and vote Labour as a matter of principle. Or I can decide to vote Lib Dem in the hope of keeping the Tories out. The thing is, in a democracy, that should be my decision, unhindered by anyone else telling me how to vote for whatever reason, including tactically. I don't want to be told that a vote for Labour is a wasted vote, or that if I vote Labour it will let the Tories in. In a democracy, the ballot box is the final call. Trying to sway me one way or the other at the ballot box is improper unless you know that I've been apprised in detail of the policies of all sides. After all, good democracy depends on a knowledgable electorate making informed choices.

As it happens, I vote for the Lib Dems here every time. I don't want the Tories in, so I vote and hold my nose. But if a LibDem candidate told me to vote for them in order to keep the Tories out, I'd very rapidly tell them where to shove it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 09:23 PM

A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win.

No, Steve, it doesn't mean that, and stop acting like we don't know what we're talking about here. If you vote for a third party candidate who has no chance in hell to win, then that vote doesn't go to Biden. It supports Trump.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Charmion
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 11:33 PM

The Westminster-style parliamentary system enjoyed by both Britain and Canada accommodates third and even fourth parties without angst because coalition-forming is normal. It’s too different from the American two-party congress to be fully comparable.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 11:58 AM

Liz Cheney's perspective:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-liz-cheney-book-blasts-221143621.html


And don't miss:

https://newrepublic.com/article/177249/2024-trump-presidency-sleepwalking

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:02 PM

I'm not acting like anything, Maggie, and there's no need for that kind of hostility. I'm saying that no-one should be telling you to vote tactically, because telling you to do that is undemocratic. But it's perfectly democratic to vote that way if you so choose without pressure to do so from someone else (which is what I do). In democracies, discussion of the merits or otherwise of the contenders is the proper democratic way to persuade people. We fight long and hard for democracy and we should keep it that way. There's far too much ignorance among the electorate in your country, my country and lots of other western countries, and cynical exploitation of that ignorance is rife, which is why Trump and Johnson and the idiot in Argentina are possible. With an educated electorate there's no need to go down the slippery slope of saying, if you vote for A you'll let B in. We can work that out for ourselves and large numbers of people will do it anyway.

Charmion, national coalitions are not the norm in the UK. We've had just the one in my lifetime, the disaster of 2010 to 2015 which shat on working people, the health service and schools and which sowed the seeds for brexit.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:12 PM

Trump has again expressed disbelief that Biden isn't being charged for the few Top Secret documents found in his old office. Frank Figliuzzi blows a hole in that sentiment.

Former FBI official blows a hole in Trump's latest stolen document defense

The former FBI official responded, "Unlike Trump, who was aware for at least 16 months that the U.S. government wanted its documents back, Biden told reporters that he was 'surprised' to learn of the classified documents and didn’t know what was in them," before pointing out, "Importantly, Trump is accused of suggesting that his lawyer “hide or destroy” the classified documents, and instructing Walt Nauta, his personal assistant who is also indicted, to relocate and conceal boxes of the government documents. Some of that hide-and-seek movement was captured on security video obtained by the FBI in July 2022."

Adding, "Trump’s indictment cites multiple instances when he took specific actions to attempt to hide, conceal or tamper with evidence. Again, Trump’s reported conduct starkly contrasts with Biden’s reported conduct," Figluzzi suggested Trump had no reaction to former Vice President Mike Pence also getting a pass from the DOJ for also retaining documents which he quickly returned.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 05:53 PM

Steve Shaw, coalitions in the Westminster systems are rarely formal and may be based only on the issue before the House. Who props up the minority will change from day to day or even from vote to vote -- but that's okay. In the long run, it tends to produce what the people want, e.g.: in Canada, medicare and a new flag.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 08:45 PM

I see what you're saying, but I must tell you that, in the bigger picture, UK politics doesn't really embrace coalitions in the usual sense of the word. Informal and temporary deals, maybe. We wouldn't use the term "coalition" here for such arrangements.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 23 - 05:32 AM

Trump has neutralized and confused terminology for the unwashed public by calling Biden an enemy of Democracy and a fascist.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Dec 23 - 09:10 AM

A "fascist" *and* a "communist" running a government of "thugs."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Dec 23 - 10:31 AM

Cheney will be interviewed on the Rachel Maddow Show tonight. MSNBC.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 23 - 04:11 PM

Will Trump choose Gen. Flynn as his running mate? Flynn is the hero of Qanon, deep state conspiracies, Christian Nationalists, weaponized militias, and digital warriors. My knowledge of psy ops and hypnosis causes me to see Fynn as the inheritor of Trumpism, not Republicans.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Dec 23 - 05:58 AM

The three scenarios of 2024 elections are
Trump loses with more domestic terrorism.
Trump wins and adopts a voting system akin to Putin's.
Trump wins and and uses the military domestically which becomes divided and chaotic, Courts are ignored, and a void of actual leadership leads to a fundamental collapse of secular government and skirmishes of religious Christian nationalist sects for dominance.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 23 - 12:43 PM

Well there are more scenarios than that. The far more likely and far less sensational one is that he'll just be a terrible president for four more years, then he'll enter the dustbin of history. That's not intended to be reassuring, because even that would still be a disaster for the planet.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Dec 23 - 10:50 PM

He wouldn't be a terrible president for four more years, he would become a dictator. He won't make the mistake of putting in any staff who would stop him from mischief. He'll put in allies who let him do what he wants. The rule of law, the role of the Department of Justice, all of that out in the trash.

He needs to be in prison.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 05 Dec 23 - 11:55 PM

And his potential underhanded collaborations with Putin are too terrible to contemplate.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:32 AM

We tend to not consider his age- 77 now, he'd be 79 upon inauguration, and 83 at the end of his term. Given his diet and lack of exercise, I rather doubt that he'll make truly old bones. More alarming is that his example would allow and encourage successive presidents to shred what remained of the Constitution and the traditions that are currently our norm. It is hard to foresee a happy ending.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 04:51 AM

So you don't trust your hard-won instruments of state to constrain him. Today, the man who spent seven years wrecking this country is appearing before an enquiry which will expose his severe shortcomings in the pandemic. He was forensically investigated for his breaches of covid lockdown rules and, though his fixed penalty fine was derisory, his reputation was ruined as his lack of integrity was exposed. We suspected that he wanted to ride roughshod over some laws but the instruments of state pulled him up short. I may be premature but I suspect that he will make a fool of himself today as the enquiry pulls him to pieces. We are currently witnessing strenuous efforts by our government to override human rights laws in order to promote a doomed and pointless populist scheme to deport refugees to an unstable African country. They will fail, because there is equally strenuous opposition, in spite of years of damaging populism.

At worst, Trump will get four more years. It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. I'm surprised to read your apocalyptic predictions. I don't live there, but I'd like to hear you explain how he could become a dictator. He has done a lot of damage and will do much more, but are you seriously suggesting that there won't be a presidential election in 2028? And, speaking of holding former leaders to account, a vital cog in the wheels of democracy, why hasn't Trump been held to account for conniving in the Jan 6 riot, if not actually inciting it?

Germane to this discussion is the second Reith Lecture, given by Professor Ben Ansell, which I've just listened to. He discussed the uneasy position of liberal democracy between anarchy and autocracy. There are more pressures than just Trump. There's social media and there's AI. Of course, he'll try to use them to his advantage. He hasn't do too well so far with social media but his followers have.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:18 PM

With Santos out last week it's interesting that McCarthy announced that he's leaving Congress at the end of this year. Meaning a few days left (considering the generous recess they take).

McCarthy Says He Will Leave Congress at the End of the Year
About two months after being ousted as speaker, Representative Kevin McCarthy said he would exit the House a year early.

Mr. McCarthy’s imminent departure will shrink the already slim Republican majority, which went to three seats from four with the expulsion last week of Representative George Santos of New York.

After he was ousted from the speakership in October, Mr. McCarthy gave an inconclusive answer about whether he would remain in Congress. “I’ll take a look at that,” he said then. Later, in an effort to bat down reports and rumors that he was leaving immediately, he told reporters that he was staying and even planned to run for re-election.

But his position as a rank-and-file member of the House side by side with the Republicans who voted to remove him from power had grown untenable and Mr. McCarthy found the experience to be incredibly painful. His closest allies on the Hill have been anticipating his imminent departure for weeks, even as he has dodged questions about his future.

So another of Trump's toadys is out and the lunatic fringe are still there (MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, etc.)

Trump wants to take over the ability to call elections and wants to let Putin win in Ukraine. This GOP House has been largely inclined to tilt in those directions.

To spell this out, the number of members needed to hold the slimmest of majorities is 218. The GOP right now have 221. There are a couple of vacant seats in the House. The deadline to run for the seat in California is on Friday, hence McCarthy's timing (the NY Times article is a short one to start with this announcement, they'll spell it out more as the story takes shape). If the house were to flip before the end of the term a LOT of work could get done in a hurry this term, so if any other disaffected GOP members were to leave before next year's election, it could happen. It would allow things like the John Lewis voting rights legislation to go through to shore up election security (the GOP have tried to tear apart election apparatus at the local level since the Supreme Court knocked out large pieces of the old Voting Rights Act. Putting the act in place would make all of the GOP nonsense moot.)

Wikipedia

As to the last post: It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. Don't kid yourself. Stop yanking our chains and stay on topic. Your pontificating is unpleasant.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:31 PM

Trump promises the faithful that, yes, he will be a dictator - but only on Day One. (Then he'll be nice again....) He also said "Al Capone was one of the greatest, if you like criminals."

(Hey, he's being sarcastic! Wotta sense of humor! Lighten up, fascists!)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hear-trump-response-asked-promise-062722664.html

And you know who else has a great sense of humor? That Kash Patel, former NSC advisor:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-2024-second-term-prosecute-media-b892fd6f3ce721016eb1176e82aa51c3

These guys crack me up. But commie-libs don't get it! Hopeless!

(Irony - as if you didn't know.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:56 PM

It's a discussion forum, my recent posts in this thread are full of conjecture without pontificating and you are being unnecessarily hostile. You THINK he's going to be a dictator. I DOUBT that he will. I'm not "pulling your chain" when I ask how you think he'll achieve it. OK, Maggie, I'm a man and not a yank (worse still, a Brit) which seems to mean that I don't qualify to have a view. I'm not trolling in this thread, the stuff I last posted is no more off-topic than much of the stuff in your last post (check the thread title) and you need to be more tolerant. Thank you.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:18 PM

Trump said he will be a dictator in a media interview. See the first link posted by Lighter, for example the third article on that page:

Daily Telegraph, Thu, December 7, 2023 at 4:29 AM GMT+11

"Donald Trump has said he will become a dictator for the first day of his second term if he wins next year’s presidential election.

"The Republican frontrunner refused to deny that he would abuse his power to seek revenge on political opponents if re-elected to the White House.

“'You are promising America, tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?' Sean Hannity, a Fox News host who has long been a supporter of Trump, asked during a televised town hall in Iowa on Tuesday.

“'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded."

Or this paragraph in Oz ABC News:

"Mr Trump on Tuesday was asked by Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity to promise he 'would never abuse power as retribution against anybody'.

"'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded.

"'I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill.

"'After that, I'm not a dictator.'"

And in my opinion, i he thinks it's acceptable to be a dictator on day one, then he will not stop at day one.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:29 PM

Well we generally tend not to believe anything he says. You don't get to be a dictator, not even for a day, just because you say "I'm going to be a dictator." He's a very dangerous man, and we don't need that to necessarily come from the horse's mouth. The most important thing is that he doesn't get elected. I read yesterday that a poll has got Biden trailing him. One dangerous move towards autocracy is one he shared with Netanyahu, his attempt to rig the Supreme Court.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:03 PM

Bad news for Benito:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-pro-trump-fake-electors-172858588.html

The Deep State musta threatened their fams, right?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 05:52 PM

Believe him when he says what he is going to do. Hillary told everyone that during the 2016 election, and she was right. It's still advice to listen to now.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Dec 23 - 08:31 PM

A Trump anthology for those who haven't been listening:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-2024-campaign-own-131309917.html

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 07:41 AM

The forms for prospective jurors in the Trump insurrection trial have been mailed out this week.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:12 AM

I do not blame the media for calling Trump's base merely as his supporters. Actually, his base identify themselves as Spiritual Warriors by religious indoctrination preachers and Gen. Flynn as Christian Nationalists. Decades of home-schooling have been churning out these obedient fascists. They now number as many as one in three voters. To publicize them primarily by their cult religion would throw a monkey wrench of stigmatizing or victimizing Trump Christians, although the teaching of Jesus is far from their faith. They come in various groups such as Qanon and numerous Christian denominations but 'where they go one they go all' as their chant goes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:40 AM

QanonQanon is now a psy op that has many missions from supporting RFK Jr. to
reinforcing right-wing conspiracies.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/michael-flynn-is-recruiting-an-army-of-god-in-growing-christian-nationalist-movement

Trump Preacher
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/06/us/capitol-riot-paths-to-insurrection/pastors.html and this is the tip of the iceberg.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 01:52 PM

Trump returns again to his New York civil fraud trial as two months of testimony nears end
Dated Dec. 7, 2023

Former President Donald Trump returned to his civil business fraud trial as a spectator Thursday, after a month of assailing the proceedings from afar.

With testimony winding down after more than two months, the Republican 2024 presidential front-runner showed up to watch an accounting professor testify about financial topics important to the case.

Trump himself is scheduled to take the stand Monday [Dec. 11], for a second time.

Even while campaigning to reclaim the presidency and fighting four criminal cases, Trump is devoting a lot of attention to the New York lawsuit. He’s been a frustrated onlooker, a confrontational witness and a heated commentator outside the courtroom door.

The rest at the link.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 02:22 PM

I agree with Ebbie's comment on 6 Dec about Trump's age and health, especially his diet and lack of exercise.

I also still think that the internal pressure of the gag orders, not being able to let that constant stream of internal lava out of his system, will be the trigger point. Just look at the photos of him trying to stop himself from unleashing all of that negativity onto the world. It has to be affecting his blood pressure and his heart - well, if he has a heart, that is.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:19 PM

The accountant who testified for the defense today was only there to talk about the practice of finance and accounting, he was not there to discuss motivation, so it was apparently a bit of a downer for the Trump team. The judge seemed engaged, apparently interested in the different information being presented.

Friday is always a short day in court, Trump should be on the stand on Monday.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:40 PM

Hi SRS, I noticed the article you referred to is dated in December but the dates you gave are in November.

(In view of the recent mixed up dates on Mudcat threads, I thought your post was out of order on the list but now I suspect you might be in Christmas denial. Yes, Christmas IS only a couple of weeks away! LOL)