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MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3

Donuel 13 Mar 24 - 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 11:31 AM

Naturally, a well-trained orthopedist would benefit from well-honed carpentry skills which is not the nonsense Maggie implied.
My ultimate point is that our limited 5 senses can not image the quantum realm without a virtual imagination. Atoms are not spheres with orbiting particles like planetary mechanics. Atoms are more like vibrating energy fields that operate more like perpetual motion particle waves.

Imagination can unlock the concept that what we perceive as solid is actually empty space that also contains vibratory energy. Energy and mass are two aspects of the same thing just as space and time are a different aspect of a similar energy. It helps to have an artist's concept to imagine the reality of our quantum universe. The quality of the mind's eye and imagination is our best tool to know more of the universe and scientists speculate that we only know about 4% of reality. Math is our other best tool.

Even the art of music offers clues to the quantum world. It seems like a particle occupying the same space at the same time is a paradox but music allows for two or more frequencies in the same sound space without confusion. The wisdom of the music is that the relationship between the notes is most important in the effect it has.

It is said truth is beauty and beauty is truth. It is in our mind that beauty exists. If the universe has a consciousness it too may perceive beauty. If not, the universe is blind. I doubt that.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 11:48 AM

My musical relationship with gillmor is that of a tritone.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 11:55 AM

The skills required of an orthopedic surgeon are so far in advance of what even a master carpenter can do that what you're proposing is pure nonsense.
And SRS, you obviously know how to spell my handle correctly so please spare me the passive aggression.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 12:10 PM

Yeah, no.
You are not a victim. You are a discordant disharmony in err.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 12:19 PM

I think we have a 3 part disharmony going this morning.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 12:34 PM

The connection between art and science is particularly evident to me lately. Trial and error with experimentation separates imagination from truth. It is a slow but accelerating process.

There is such a chasm between intelligence and wisdom I would say institutional insanity has been the predominant human story so far.
Our nuclear weapon race is but one example.
US gun policy is a microcosm of the mass destruction industry.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 24 - 11:42 AM

dyslexia is a different door to perception that can have savant aspects but fails at school regimes. It is also a gift with negative externalities. Imagination and dreams make for poor science but truly great leaps do come from imaginative unlikely places in rare circumstances. These leaps are not intuitive and are often not accepted for years.

IF YOU TRY TO GRAVITATIONALIZE THE QUANTUM WORLD, people would think you are nuts since no one has succeeded with quantum gravity. However, if you allow macro gravity to convert to an electrical potential of a pair of gluons in the quantum world we may have united some important theories. Just look at dust bunnies that coalesce by electric charge or asteroidal dust that combines.

All energies seem to have the ability to exist in another form whether it is mass and energy or a neutrino which can metamorphose into a different neutrino. This notion would simplify many energy relationships. But in the meantime since we can't even find evidence for supersymmetry this idea will be put on hold.

Everyone who looks at it agrees that quantum mechanics is incomplete.
Finding its form of gravity will not complete its nature. Science has been called the new religion. It is true that most of it can be as dull as church. A great breakthrough will probably have to bypass administration.

Such a breakthrough will probably demonstrate that converting space into time may exceed the energy that converts mass into energy.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 08:58 AM

Hi Mom! Yesterday they let me out of the hospital after 34 days in durance vile.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 05:56 PM

Quark! Quark! Quark!


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:28 PM

Good to see you back. You'll have to whip this thread into shape - too many folks want to come here to argue.

And Gilly - Passive/aggressive my ass - just bad spelling.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:48 PM

Rapparee, what was that earlier post about getting holes drilled in your head? Was that BS or not?
Good to see you back, your silence had me worried.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 24 - 07:02 PM

From what he told me it wasn't hyperbole. Sounds uncomfortable!


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 24 - 07:52 AM

It's great the pressure is off and you're home again.
Kate Middleton has had a rough time of it as well.
That's not to say you are not one tough cookie, a jaw-breaker, and a survivor extraordinaire. Mom would be jealous.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Mar 24 - 03:44 PM

Surgery for chronic subdural hematoma. Four burr holes drilled. Drainage that messed up the tidy operating room. 3.5 weeks rehab, still going on but at home.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Mar 24 - 05:00 PM

The main thing is, you're home, Rapparee. You are a survivor.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 24 - 08:12 PM

Trephination refers to the process of creating a hole in the skull and, in specific cases, the nail and is one of the oldest surgical procedures documented to date. It has been used throughout history with the goal of relieving pressure; managing symptoms of head trauma, such as subdural and epidural hematomas; and accessing brain tumors. Trephination can be performed using a trephine, a drill, by scraping with an abrasive instrument, or for the hard headed, cutting with a jackhammer. Rare complications that may arise with trephination include infection and, if the dura matter surrounding the brain is damaged in the process, damage to the underlying blood vessels, meninges, and brain. Modern medicine has used trephination as part of treatments for frontal sinus disease, glaucoma, and subungual hematomas.

Newagers believe that Akashic memories and signals from the universe are enhanced with trephination.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 11:39 AM

Knowing Rap, I suspect he required his surgeon to use one of the fine steel weapons he has in his collection at home.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Mar 24 - 08:40 PM

I keep getting signals from the universe, they're incoherent.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 12:14 PM

My favorite mashup movie is on, The Day After Strangelove On the Beach.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 07:03 PM

The new physics we need to be open-source is actually almost a hundred years old. Much of that tech was explored by Thomas Thompson Brown Who died in 1985. Electrogravitics was one of his inventions that used high voltage low current science. The last 20% of this video explains his contributions. An explanation how UFO's work.

Sorry but classified info is often approached obliquely.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 24 - 09:06 AM

Only two tidbits of innovative cosmology have become apparent to me this decade. 1 is that the inflation theory is far from what we are led to believe leading to a much older universe than we deduced from background microwave radiation.
2 is that black holes are space-time generators.

There is a meme that says if you don't contribute a major discovery by 30 you never will. The problem is too many people believe that is true.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 24 - 01:09 PM

I did, over a cuppa with Steve Hawking at Kings one afternoon. We came up with the whole lack hole thing. I did the thinking and he did the math.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 24 - 06:03 AM

I cannot say that I know you well
But you can't lie to me with all these books that you sell
I'm not trying to follow you to the end of the world
I'm just trying to leave something behind
Words have come from men and mouse
Oh, but I can't help thinking that I have heard the wrong crowd
When all the water is gone my job will be too
So I'm trying to leave something behind
Oh, money is free but love costs more than our bread
And the ceiling is hard to reach
Oh, the future ahead is broken and red
And I'm trying to leave something behind
This whole world is a foreign land
We swallow the moon, but we do not know our own hand
Oh, we're running with the case, but we ain't got the gold
Yet we're trying to leave something behind
My friends, I belive we are at the wrong fight
And I can not read what I did not write
I've been to his house, but the master is gone
Yet we're trying to leave something behind
Now there is a beast who has taken my brain
You can put me to bed, but you can't feel my pain
When the machine has taken the soul from the man
It's time to leave something behind
Oh, money is free but love costs more than our bread
And the ceiling is hard to reach
Oh, the future ahead is already dead
And it's time to leave something behind
Now, I've got this feeling that I'm still at the shore
And pockets don't know what it means to be poor
I can get through the wall if you give me a door
So I can leave something behind
Oh, wisdom is lost in the trees somewhere
Oh, you're not gonna find it in some mental gray hair
It's locked up from those who hurry ahead
And it's time to leave something behind
Oh, money is free but love costs more than our bread
And the ceiling is hard to reach
When my son is a man, he will know what I meant
When I was just trying to leave something behind
And I'm trying to leave something behind
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Songwriters: Sean Rowe


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 23 Mar 24 - 07:38 AM

> I keep getting signals from the universe, they're incoherent.

Are you a radioastronomer, Rap? it's the only field I've been in where noise is the signal, and coherent signals are the noise.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Mar 24 - 10:45 AM

Rap, has Gluon been by to see you lately?

QUARK!!!


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 24 - 06:38 PM

Yes, but didn’t stay long. Barely long enough to hump my leg eight or ten times.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Mar 24 - 02:37 PM

Well, the city golf course workers starting to clean up after the heavy snow three weeks or so back.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 24 - 07:32 AM

The world's burnin at both ends
but we're waking up slowly
News is a game of pretend
and the best liars are holy

Change has always been this way
but were waking up slowly
Morning feels like a new day
The same old thing is phony

When you're waking up slowly
think of one thing you can change
and then just go out boldly
and do it even if its strange


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 06:44 PM

I awakened from a nap and picked up a book — and there was a reference to Eleanor of Aquitaine. This triggered another memory and I quietly sang all of “Quen Eleanor’s Confession.” Odd. I can remember lyrics I learned fifty years back, but not things that happened three weeks ago.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Apr 24 - 06:39 AM

> I can remember lyrics I learned fifty years back, but not
> things that happened three weeks ago.

The wax of the tablet of memory gets hardened with age. Once you've seen it all, nothing new makes much of an impression.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Apr 24 - 03:57 PM

The wax of my memory was scraped and melted for a couple of months. Right now, a drain will be installed next Tuesday and then plugged to stop the continued leak of cerebral-spinal fluid. The leak is considerably slowed but not yet stopped.   My life seems to be one medical thing after another right now.

Gluon dropped by and tried to console me with a fresh tokamak.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Apr 24 - 10:50 AM

Thinking of you, Rapparee.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 24 - 04:40 PM

I went with a friend for a nice long ride this morning. Lots of snow up in them thar hills 'round hyar.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Apr 24 - 07:27 PM

I seem to remember, Rapparee, that you live in
what you called the "banana belt" of Idaho.
So, along with the snow,
I hope there are soon flowers to enjoy, like crocuses.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 04:14 PM

Anything interesting happening out on the golf course? Have you set up a golf ball vending machine at your back fence?


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 07:08 PM

With my vintage mixer I am making natural casing pastrami dogs.
Its 4 parts minced pastrami and one part Nathan's hot dog.

Today was nice with iconic puffy clouds so we went for a long walk down to Turtle Pond but it felt like it was uphill both ways.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 01:11 PM

Goodness me!   Mom, why are ou hanging out with the old folks? And shake those cigar ashes off your shawl!


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 24 - 09:23 PM

Today was National Librarian Day.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 24 - 02:28 PM

Everyday is, it’s not just celebrated. WE RULE!!!


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 24 - 08:24 PM

Librarians are the secret masters of the Universe. DON'T ever piss one off.

                                 Spider Robinson


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 24 - 09:11 PM

Since the ophthalmologist I've been seeing for 20 years has retired, I had an appointment today with another one (who worked with the first and has his records). HOWEVER, he is in a practice of ophthamology only -- he can't prescribe glasses. Sooo...I have an appointment with another person who can (who also worked with my original eye doctor) at the end of May, unless there's a cancellation and they can work me in. Fortunately, the optician is still the same in the same place so getting new specs isn't a problem (save for the cost).

This is the first time in my life I've run into this situation.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Apr 24 - 02:49 PM

Mom! Am I the only one who now cares?


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Apr 24 - 03:51 PM

No, you aren't.
I was away for three days.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 24 - 06:11 AM

It ain't the sixties but there are still some young people who care and believe they can change the world. After our leaders like JFK, RFK and MLK were assassinated, today there are leaderless collectives of dissent. However, there has been enough disinterest and old-time religion to turn the clock back on women 200 years. There are more guns than peace signs and more fascists than progressives in the House. There are more mass shootings than Taylor Swift songs, and more extinctions than politicians.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Apr 24 - 06:59 PM

Like MOM, like daughter:
sinking to the bottom of the queue.
Let's head back up to the top.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 24 - 10:49 AM

Glucosamine Chondroitin worked on my stuck shoulder.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 24 - 11:48 AM

Discontinue use if it causes death.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Apr 24 - 05:41 PM

So far today I have spent better that five (5) hours installing a new Netgear Nighthawk MESH network system here in the house. The sprinkler people come out, replaced the bent pipe comprising the top rail of the back fence, dug out and replaced TWO breaks in the main sprinkler line in the back yard, and replaced a busted sprinkler head.

I had planned to do other things today that mess with routers, satellites, IP addresses, and suchlike nonsense. Of course, neither had I planned to do what the sprinkler guys did. I had hoped to read and nap.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Apr 24 - 12:52 PM

The network is working fine. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. That's why I'm down here again working on it.


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Subject: RE: MOAB's Daughter (of all BS) part 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 24 - 02:11 PM

Rap, having to set up or restore the home system is the price we pay for not letting the IP company send a tech out who fiddles with stuff and leaves you with whatever their default setting is, and not giving you much information. I've helped several friends with the systems the cable or phone company left behind, usually with setting up a booster or extra ports for the router.

If I ever get the house leveled (right now it is at its most level time of the year, the soil is moist and the cracks have almost disappeared in the walls and at the ceiling edge) I'll put in a sprinkler system. That I will diagram and supervise because too often those sprinkler guys just wing it. (Neighbors up the street paid for a high dollar system only to find later that they put in a cheap set of buried hoses and such, workmen long gone along with their cash).

MOM should have Gluon train to help with this stuff, I bet a duckdog would be great at digging and working out the water end of things.


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