Lyr Req: songs by James Hogg 'the Ettrick Shepherd

Subject: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Shephe
From: GUEST,Herma
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 12:13 PM

Does anyone know an online source of songtexts written by James Hogg , the Ettrick Shepherd? Or any links to get more information about the songs he wrote?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: Lesley N.
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 02:20 PM

The first place I check for anything on Scottish Writers is Andrew Crumey's page. He has a page on James Hogg with a list of his works. It's at James Hogg (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~crumey/james_hogg.html). Project Guttenberg shows only one of his works, Private Memoirs of a Justified Sinner (http://promo.net/pg/_authors/i-_hogg_james_.html).

I have a few of his songs at my site (http://www.contemplator.com/folk.html), including Cam Ye By Athol, When the Kye Come Home, Come Owre the Stream Charlie... can't think of more. I'd love to have more myself...

There must be more, hopefully someone will know of a really cool place...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: John Nolan
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 09:32 PM

My favorite, sung at Hawick Common Riding each year, is Teribus ye teri Odin. It starts off, as I remember:

Scotland felt thine ire O Odin,
On the bloody field of Flodden,
Where our fathers fell with honor,
Round their king and country's banner,

Chorus: Teribus ye teri Odin
Sons of heroes slain at Flodden,
Imitating Border bowmen,
Aye defend your rights and common.

After Flodden was decided,
Surrey and his troops divided,
Set them loose to storm and plunder,
Heaven just, why slept thy thunder?

Teribus etc.

Far they spread their wild disorder,
Over Scotia's alpine border,
From the banks of Tweed and Teviot
To the slopes of lofty Cheviot.

In subsequent verses, they go on to sack the town of Hawick, up the Teviot valley, at which point in 1514, a group of teen-agers, too young for Flodden, take up arms and fall on a raiding party, winning a morale-boosting victory. In gratitude, the Duke of Buccleuch (I think)gifted a large tract of land to the people for common grazing. Three centuries later, much of this land had been grabbed back by the despicable landed gentry that, to this day, make Scotland the most feudal country in Europe. Hogg, a good man and brave, in this song, tried to shame the rich landowners into keeping their thieving hands off what remained of the common land.
Magistrates be faithful trustees,
Equal poise the scales of justice,
See our common fairly guided,
Quirky lairds nae mair divide.
Land theft by the rich, however, has continued apace, and this song, which I learned as a school lad in Hawick, is mouthed ritualistically, but the circumstances never explored in classrooms.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: John Nolan
Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:43 PM

Further to Leslie N.'s post above, "Lock The Door, Lariston" is fairly well known, and, (keeking at my volume of Hogg's collected poems and songs), he wrote a dozen or so Jacobite songs rather inferior to those mentioned above. I have just learned, too, that a poem we got in school, "That's the way for Billy and me" is actually a song. Anyone know the tune?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: Herma
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 02:57 AM

In addition to my former request:

I would especially like to have the songtext of James Hogg's song (sung by the McCalmans: Up and rin awa' Geordie. Does anyone know?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: Brendy
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 05:21 AM

I don't know much about him, but a quick search came up with This, it might help.
All the best, B.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 06:52 AM

As soon as I saw Hogg's name mentioned I thought of Suzanne SKW. She is my guru for song texts by the McCalmans. Regards, John

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Feb 00 - 05:48 PM

John, thanky a lot for your faith in me, but in this case I'll have to disappoint you. I've been corresponding with Herma on several songs, and we both gave up on 'Up and Rin Awa''. We'll have to resort to a) find the book (I think I've got the source down somewhere, it just is very hard to get at Scottish songbooks in Germany) and b) ask The McCalmans as soon as they are less busy than they are now (which will be the next millennium, I guess). Actually, Nick Keir put several new songs up on their website, if you haven't had a look recently: McCalmans - Susanne

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:20 PM

Refresh, it still seems fairly barren on this subject.

Regards, John

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: OldPossum
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 02:26 PM

Well, let us see what we have here at the Mudcat Café. A couple of hours of fun with the Mudcat search engines yield the following result:

• Aiken Drum
• The Battle of Prestonpans
  • The Battle of Prestonpans (DT)
  • The Battle of Prestonpans (forum message)
• The Boar and the Fox
• Bonny Moorhen
• A Boy's Song
• Cameronian Cat
• Charlie Is My Darling
  • Charlie Is My Darling (forum message)
  • Charlie Is My Darling (DT)
• Donald McGillavry
• The Fate Of Charlie
• Flora McDonald's Lament
• Good Night and Joy (and other stuff)
• The Haughs O' Cromdale
• The Highlandmen Came Down The Hill
• Isle of Skye
  • Isle of Skye (thread group)
  • Prince Charles And Flora Macdonald's Welcome To Sky (DT)
  • Prince Charles And Flora Macdonald's Welcome To Sky (forum thread)
• Laddie Lie Near Me
• Ladies' Evening Song
• Lady Keith's Lament
  • Lady Keith's Lament (thread group)
  • When the King Comes Over the Water/Lady Keith's Lament (forum thread)
• Lock The Door, Larriston
• O'Doherty's Farewell To Scotland
• Piper O'Dundee (and other stuff)
• Teribus
• This Is No My Ain House
• Wae's Me For Prince Charlie
• Welcome, Royal Charlie
• Wha Wadna Fight For Charlie?

And just for the sake of completeness, there is this thread: James Hogg Poems, although it doesn't contain much.

I have only listed entries where James Hogg is the author or a major source. I have not included entries where he is only mentioned in passing. If a Joeclone (or the real MacCoy) feels like editing this message when new information is found, that would be fine with me.

Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE KYE COMES HAME (James Hogg)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 01:09 AM

WHEN THE KYE COMES HAME
James Hogg (1770–1835)

Come all ye jolly shepherds,
That whistle through the glen,
I'll tell ye of a secret
That courtiers dinna ken:
What is the greatest bliss
That the tongue o' man can name?
'Tis to woo a bonny lassie
When the kye comes hame.

CHORUS: When the kye comes hame,
When the kye comes hame,
'Tween the gloaming an' the mirk
When the kye comes hame.

'Tis not beneath the coronet,
Nor canopy of state,
'Tis not on couch of velvet,
Nor arbour of the great—
'Tis beneath the spreading birk,
In the glen without the name,
Wi' a bonny, bonny lassie,
When the kye comes hame.

There the blackbird bigs his nest
For the mate he loes to see,
And on the topmost bough,
O, a happy bird is he;
Where he pours his melting ditty,
And love is a' the theme,
And he'll woo his bonny lassie
When the kye comes hame.

When the blewart bears a pearl,
And the daisy turns a pea,
And the bonny lucken gowan
Has fauldit up her e'e,
Then the laverock frae the blue lift
Drops down, an' thinks nae shame
To woo his bonny lassie
When the kye comes hame.

See yonder pawkie shepherd,
That lingers on the hill,
His ewes are in the fauld,
An' his lambs are lying still;
Yet he downa gang to bed,
For his heart is in a flame,
To meet his bonny lassie
When the kye comes hame.

When the little wee bit heart
Rises high in the breast,
An' the little wee bit starn
Rises red in the east,
O there's a joy sae dear,
That the heart can hardly frame,
Wi' a bonny, bonny lassie,
When the kye comes hame!

Then since all nature joins
In this love without alloy,
O, wha wad prove a traitor
To Nature's dearest joy?
Or wha wad choose a crown,
Wi' its perils and its fame,
And miss his bonny lassie
When the kye comes hame?

[From "The Oxford Book of Scottish Verse," 1966. Kye: cattle. Bigs: builds. Blewart: bluebell. Lucken gowan: globe-flower. Laverock: lark. Lift: sky.]

Subject: Lyr Add: LOCK THE DOOR, LARISTON (James Hogg)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 01:56 AM

The copy in the DT, LOCK THE DOOR, LARRISTON (sic) has many misspellings of proper names and other minor transcription errors (if I may accept my copy of The Oxford Book as authoritative).

LOCK THE DOOR, LARISTON
James Hogg

Lock the door, Lariston, Lion of Liddisdale,
Lock the door, Lariston, Lowther comes on,
    The Armstrongs are flying,
    Their widows are crying,
The Castletown's burning, and Oliver's gone;
Lock the door, Lariston—high on the weather gleam
See how the Saxon plumes bob on the sky,
    Yeoman and carbineer,
    Billman and halberdier;
Fierce is the foray, and far is the cry.

Bewcastle brandishes high his broad scimitar,
Ridley is riding his fleet-footed grey,
    Hedley and Howard there,
    Wandale and Windermere,—
Lock the door, Lariston, hold them at bay.
Why dost thou smile, noble Elliot of Lariston?
Why do the joy-candles gleam in thine eye?
    Thou bold Border ranger,
    Beware of thy danger—
Thy foes are relentless, determined, and nigh.

Jock Elliot raised up his steel bonnet and lookit,
His hand grasp'd the sword with a nervous embrace;
    "Ah, welcome, brave foemen,
    On earth there are no men
More gallant to meet in the foray or chase!
Little know you of the hearts I have hidden here,
Little know you of our moss-troopers' might,—
    Linhope and Sorbie true,
    Sundhope and Milburn too,
Gentle in manner, but lions in fight.

"I've Mangerton, Ogilvie, Raeburn, and Netherby,
Old Sim of Whitram, and all his array;
    Come all Northumberland,
    Teesdale and Cumberland,
Here at the Breaken Tower end shall the fray."
Scowl'd the broad sun o'er the links of green Liddisdale,
Red as the beacon-light tipp'd he the wold;
    Many a bold martial eye
    Mirror'd that morning sky,
Never more oped on his orbit of gold!

Shrill was the bugle's note, dreadful the warrior shout,
Lances and halberds in splinters were borne;
    Halberd and hauberk then
    Brav'd the claymore in vain,
Buckler and armlet in shivers were shorn.
See how they wane, the proud files of the Windermere,
Howard—Ah! woe to the hopes of the day!
    Hear the wide welkin rend,
    While the Scots' shouts ascend,
"Elliot of Lariston! Elliot for aye!"

[From "The Oxford Book of Scottish Verse," 1966.]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: GUEST,Craig Reid
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:18 AM

www.cityofoaks.home.netcom.com/tunes/Teribus.html

My dad was from Hawick and mybrother is trying to research our ancestors who were living for many years at 2 Under Village, near St Cuthbert's Church. My dad and his brother went to St Cuthbert's School.
My brother went to Hawick for the first time a couple of months ago and he was very impressed. We live on the Wirral. We watched the ceremony where the Cornet ties ribbons on the statue, via the webcam.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettr.Sh
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:52 PM

From Google Book Search (depending on what country you're in, you might not be able to see the text):

Forest Minstrel; Selection of Songs, Adapted to the Most Favourite Scottish Airs, by James Hogg The Ettrick Shepherd, And Others (1810)

Songs, by the Ettrick Shepherd: Now First Collected, by James Hogg (1831)

Subject: RE: Req: Songtexts online -James Hogg-Ettrick Shepherd
From: masato sakurai
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:10 PM

See James Hogg: Research, with

List of song sheets,
I'll sing ye a wee bit sang: selected songs of James Hogg [audio].