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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Amos Date: 01 May 00 - 01:08 PM Bear in mind, K, that the maturation curve in males -- especially in this culture -- often lags well behind that of females of the same chronological age. So if you want heart-smart, you may need to look to men who have learned how to take some responsibility in the world, maybe had some hard times or learned what loss and risk are really all about. At least, the percentages are better. I know from recent experience that it is possible to find a sensitive and competent (both!) HS-age or thereabouts Western male, but it is almost amazing when it happens. Try looking among musicians rather than Marines -- they have rather a different perspective on the topic! :>)
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mooh Date: 01 May 00 - 12:28 PM Kelida, Nice thread, btw. The old saw goes, "Men have enough blood to operate a brain and a penis but not both at the same time." And I might add, women are proving this to us generation after generation. Too soon horny, too late smart. Peace, without a piece. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Amergin Date: 01 May 00 - 12:01 PM I was always kinda partial to 1381 and 1973 both years where dreams have died. Kelida, I do believe that you girls have us guys all figured out, but that we're just too stupid to know it. Amergin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Allan C. Date: 01 May 00 - 09:20 AM Yeah, Shambles. 1066 has always been a favorite of mine. Funny thing, Kelida - a friend of mine and I were talking about this kind of thing a few days ago. (He and I are both in our early fifties.) He said, "Yes, there was a time when getting into a woman's pants was the driving force in my life. Now the desire is still there; but the imperative has faded."
There were times in my life when putting notches on the bedpost might have been really important - well, let's be real here: it would have been damned important! But respecting the wishes of the women I dated was even more important to me. And I am quite sure that there were some, who, if I had been just a little more persistent, would have been persuaded to "give o'er". I know for certain that there are guys out there who can respect your wishes, Kelida and who will be at least equally intent upon getting to know what is in your heart as well as knowing how you might feel between the sheets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: The Shambles Date: 01 May 00 - 08:16 AM How about 1649? Or 1860?
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: GUEST,ABC Date: 30 Apr 00 - 08:41 PM doesterr said: "I yam what I yam," and that's going to be straight-up or nothing. Because of the general nature of this thread, would you mind explaining what you mean about the "straight up" part????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mbo Date: 30 Apr 00 - 02:32 PM Good one Jed! Alison, you got that damn straight. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: The Beanster Date: 30 Apr 00 - 02:29 PM Well said, alison! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: JedMarum Date: 30 Apr 00 - 09:46 AM right on , alison! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: JedMarum Date: 30 Apr 00 - 09:42 AM Kelida, Sounds like you handled it just fine ... and a song relating the story with a bit of humor (poke fun at his earnest plea) would probably be a hit! As for men are all pigs? Well my wife tells me this too, and I remind her that we had to work hard to get that far! But in truth, I know from personal experience that women can seek the same goal, though they're normally more subtle about it. And as for first date?? Who's counting?? If it's the right first date; you'll be pushing him into the sack! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: alison Date: 30 Apr 00 - 01:51 AM Well that's the dilemma summed up nicely
Sleep with him - you're a bad girl / slut main thing is.. do what you are comfortable with... and if the situation doesn't feel right.... back out or you'll end up disliking yourself for it... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Apr 00 - 12:12 AM It could have been figurative...or perhaps the guy was a figment of her imagination.....need more data. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: sophocleese Date: 30 Apr 00 - 12:04 AM Keli, you just reminded me. In my first year of university I stood up some guy one night because I had felt very uncomfortable about accepting the date but had allowed myself to be overpersuaded by a friend. Later a friend said I should write three poems about it, I Left Him In the Donut Shop, Walnut Kruller Crumbs, and some other one whose title I forget. I never did write them but maybe I should try now. What the hell were you thinking of dating a Marine with a Camaro for god's sake? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: GUEST, Threadie Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:56 PM Maybe that is what Keli is referring to 'Spaw? Figuratively, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Sailor Dan Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:52 PM Keli you made one mistake, Dating one of todays Marines |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:47 PM Well...."Figgy Pudding" is at least brought up in song (and often after ingestion too). Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: GUEST, Mr Fig Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:15 PM I am quite partial to Moroccan ones. There are also some nice ones from Lebanon. But I wouldn't really write a song about either one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: GUEST, Threadie Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:08 PM We would indeed love to know, Keli, what the exact quotes were? We would also love to know what the "former bad girl" would have done in the circumstances? "Prick Teasers" are what we used to call them. And Mbo? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Kelida Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:50 PM Mooh--that guy actually said that to me ("have we met before?"). Somewhere in between "I'm such a nice guy" and "Wanna have sex?" (not exact quotes, but close enough). Peace--Keli |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mooh Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:44 PM Kelida, Banks of the Bann is a nice place to visit...but, oh never mind, have we met somewhere before, perhaps... Peace, no pickup line, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:43 PM doesterr's story reminds me of THE NEW MOWN HAY (which exists in lots of variants).
So he's gone down to her father's garden
"O there is a cock in my father's garden Sometimes you just can't win. But then winning and losing only comes into it if you're treating it as a competitive sport."Scoring" - what a nauseating expression...
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: The Beanster Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:41 PM Kelida, I'm sure this isn't the first time you've run across one of these types and it won't be the last. The only good thing about first dates a lot of times is that it can also be the last date! I hope, though, that you didn't go into this guy's house on the first date...that could be dangerous as I'm sure you know. Just be careful. doesterr-- You didn't "lose out" on those women. They clearly gave you the idea that the answer was "no" and you did the right thing--and may have saved yourself some crimianl charges, as you mentioned. Anyone who plays games like that is not worth your time in the first place. And Dave, you sound like a great guy--those women lost out on YOU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mbo Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:17 PM Well I wasn't speaking for myself, but for the male gender as a whole-- the multitudes of pig-men out there often overshadow the good ones. Check out TV shows and music, check out all the women I hear talking at my college. You hardly ever hear a kind word. It can't be that it's some sort of myth. There's less of "us" and more of "them". BTW there are LOTS of Marines and their families that I have known over the years who have been some of the nicest folks I've ever met. Yeah, the young ones are pretty much a bad lot (and they are real reckless drivers, I know) especially grunts and gun-bunnies. There are some good ones though. My Dad used to have a guy who worked for him who was the same age as I am now. His catch line was "I can do that." You could give the guy any job and he would find a solution (he was a heavy vehicle mechanic BTW), not to mention an all-around nice guy. They're not all bad. I know I am never gonna try anything like that garbage on a girl, unless I have a permission document, signed notorized! **BG** --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 29 Apr 00 - 06:29 PM Mbo said:
"Let's face it, guys, we're pigs."
Speak for yourself, Mbo. I know for a fact that in my young adult days I lost out with several young ladies because I took them at their word that they didn't want to. In one case, by telephone later, in ending the relationship, she said, "You could have, you know." I said, "I know. I knew. But you SAID no, and I'm not going to be in the position of a rapist [what today we'd call a date-rapist]."
The other young ladies were not as explicit, but the message was just about as clear. One said, "Nice guys finish last." So be it. Like Popeye, "I yam what I yam," and that's going to be straight-up or nothing. Dave Oesterreich
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: SINSULL Date: 29 Apr 00 - 06:14 PM Kelida, I think I mentioned this somewhere before. Nose picking works every time especially if you look uncertain as to where you intend to deposit your gleanings. Your story brought back somw fond memories and a smile. Trust your own judgment and unless in real physical danger, don't resort to the "knee in the groin" ploy. From what I have seen of you in Mudcat, I believe you are perfectly capable of cutting down these types with a word or a glance. You are a very special lady. If you doubt it, read the Male Postings above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 06:01 PM Hundreds of songs about romping and rape. But very few about this sort of situation - which is strange because it's a pretty frequent one.
Poets back in Ireland in the old days used to be treated with great respect, becuse if you offended them, they could make up a satire about you,.and you'd be a laughing stock. Forget about a knee in the balls - that's the way to do it. Kelida's first post almost reads like a song already.
And as for avuncular anonyms who write things like "Consider this post, a free coupon exempting you from a really nasty flame." There's a word for that kind of thing, but it's not one I like to use. And I promised to ignore that kind of nonsense on the Mudcat.
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Kelida Date: 29 Apr 00 - 05:38 PM Twitchy--If you look at the title of the thread, it IS somewhat music related. I was just wondering if anyone else had experiences like that that made them want to write a nasty anti-opposite-sex-song. However, if you or anyone else wants to flame it, oh well. I can deal with flamers--some of them even have valid points sometimes--I just prefer to think they aren't articulate (or intelligent) enough to say what they mean in a civil manner. Also, if you don't appreciate non-music threads, don't respond to them unless you have something constructive to say. Thanx for explaining to me that this is a thread that might get a few flamers--I knew that when I started it, but why should that stop me. Everyone else--I'm not a violent person, so I like to avoid the old knee-in-the-nuts tactic--no matter how much that is what I want to do. Then again, it depends on what exactly the guy was like. . . Mbo--Not all guys are pigs--just all the ones I go out with. . . Man, I have bad taste. The worst thing about this guy was that he KNEW what he was doing and he apologized--then he kept on doing it!! (or trying to) Jon--I LOVE that poem! Very cool! Terri--I like those ideas. Maybe I should try that sometime. Or say something to the effect of "yeah, my last boyfriend kept trying to have sex with me all the time, and he had this unfortunate freak accident including his penis and a garbage desposal. . ." hehehe. . .*with a maniacal gleam in my eye* Peace--Keli |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Jon Freeman Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:07 PM Kelida, I have posted this before sometime ago but it seems sort of appropriate here. It seems a lot of people in the US are not familier whith the usagage of shag in this verse. To shag is to have sex with...
The festival shagger he sat on the quay playing tunes on banjo an melodeon
The festival shagger wasn't really a shagger but at times he wished that he had been
The festival shagger was in fact still a virgin when he had his first shag from a gig
The festival shagger still sits on the quay and he plays much the same as before The poem stems from a brief relationship I had with someone and is a blend of fact and fiction. I have also posted this before but here is the tune I ended up writing for Jayne. http://www.jonbanjo.freeuk.com/jayne.mid Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: GUEST,Twitchy Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:02 PM Kelida, Consider this post, (1) free coupon exempting you from a really nasty flame. This is precisely the type of thread subject and content that provokes a nasty response out of people like us. It has no context or relevance to this Forum in anyway, and is much more appropriate as a letter to "Dear Abby"...or with responses re-directed to Personal Messages.
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: TerriM Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:46 AM just chalk it up to experience,Kel, we've all been there. Back in the days when I needed it I developed a technique of putting creeps off by aquiring a maniacal gleam, a palsied twitch and either a) saying 'Tell me about your relationship with Jesus' or just letting a thin dribble of red wine run from either side of my mouth. Seemed to do the trick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: alison Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:24 AM I was about to say "do they ever grow out of it?" but you beat me to it Dave..... I don't recommend the "knee in the nuts" method unless you absolutely have to...... he could turn nasty... and most fellas know that's what you'll try to do and are ready for it... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:36 AM They don't grow up ladies, they just change tactics. LOL Yours,Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Sorcha Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:34 AM (Girl)(Woman) here......I did take advantage of a guy once, I was 20, he was 17, bad experience, and I am still sorry.........(upshot was, his parents caught us and I had to talk to his Mom......uhhhh, UN fun!!in the worst way!!) Kelida, watch out for them Marines, I haven't yet met one I like, ('cept Mbo, and he is not one, just his Dad). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: katlaughing Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:31 AM She said she was a pacifist guys!*BG* Keli, when I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about important dates of the calendar, i.e. historical dates, to sing about! Oops! anyway, if it was, I was going to say, tomorrow the 29th is important enough for a good song or two, for Spaw's FIRST BIRTHDAY. To see what I mean see my Thoguht for the Day thread for Saturday. Oh, and the Marine? Of course you knew exactly what he was up to; they've all tried that line at some time. Nice that some grow out of it and we can love them for that.**BG** kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mbo Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:25 AM Let's face it guys, we're pigs. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Racer Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:23 AM I think that I've been on the other end of that at times. I don't know which would be worse though; I've never had a girl try to take advantage of me. Now that I think of it, I'd kind of like that. All joking aside, he probably deserved a learning experienced. I agree with Mbo. He should have recieved a slightly more violent response. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mbo Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:21 AM And make sure you have something heavy to swing if they won't take no for an answer. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:17 AM Kelida, you might try this one for laughs, though I have it on good authority that it's not true. WONDERFUL SHOES Seriously, there was a period in my life (fortunately fairly long ago) when I was often guilty of acting like your Marine friend, and I'm not proud of it. I wish I could send apologies back through time... I am sorry you had to (have to) put up with crap like that, but I think it's always been there and probably always will. Just keep your sense of humor, and your self-esteem, and your eye on the door. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:15 AM Everyone Kelida.........everyone. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Mbo Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:14 AM I haven't had ANY dating experiences period! Cretin tryin' to pull that on you, should kneed him in the tender vittles! --Mbo |
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Subject: Dates worth singing about. . . From: Kelida Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:48 AM Okay, well I went out with this guy tonight who I thought was really nice. Of course, as the night progressed, all he talked about was fate, and destiny, and how much we have in common, and after a while I was a bit bored. Also, he's in the Marines, which wouldn't normally bother me, but as an ardent pacifist, I find it a bit hypocritical of me to date someone who wants to be in the infantry. In any case, though, the guy was boring me to tears with all his talk about what a nice guy he was and how he thought it was going to be the start of something "special" and god, he really cares about me already, etc. . . Of course I think this is all just a lot of BS to try and get me in the sack, but he's all no, no, it's not, he really is as nice as he seems, and wow, I'm so perfect adn beautiful, whatever. . . Well, anyway, I was driving because his Camaro is in a small town about three hours away from Cincinnati, and as soon as I get him back to his house, he wants to fool around, so I leave, because hey, it's only a first date with this guy, and what does he think I am, some sort of tramp? Okay, don't get me wrong, I'm trying to understand this, but what is WRONG with some guys? Do they think girls are STUPID? Are we not smart enough to figure guys out?--especially former bad girls like me who know the same tricks and lines. I'm thinking there is a song in this, and I may think of something later. But this made me think of the one song Max played at the beginning of Radio Episode 31(I think)--BTW, what was the title, author, singer, album of that song? Also, I was wondering, has anyone (male or female) had similar or any dating experiences that have ever been worth singing about? Peace--Keli |