BS: We Lost Another One

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 10:34 AM

Little Hawk,
Yes to both questions. Ignore the flamers and they go away,
The more vehement personal attacks are removed by the Mudcat elves.

To Guy Wolff - Your talents more than make up for any misspellings. Besides, being the only Mudcatter who is on a first name basis with Martha, you lend us an air of respectability.
Mary

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 10:18 AM

It must be your computer CarolC, both work OK on mine. Anyway just copy this: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23994&messages=71

...into your address bar, and you should get there.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 07:45 AM

Maybe it's just my computer, but I can't get either one of them to work.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 07:38 AM

It works for me.... I will do another.

Can you help with this session?

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:16 AM

The Shambles, your blue clicky thing doesn't work.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 05:59 AM

Can you help with this session?

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:51 PM

Is there any way of stopping flamers or deleting their most offensive postings?

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: GUEST,harpgirl
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM

...whoever ttcm is, it's a typical psychopathic trick to blame the victim for abuse perpetrated by the abuser. Joe, that post should be deleted. Leaving it up is unconscionable. There is far too much misogyny in the forum and the sad part is neither the men nor the women insist on stopping it. harp

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 07:49 PM

Talking to Micca tonight (when we met when the Dick and Susan expedition to England came to Bishop's Stortford)) the idea came up that a better term for most of the minor irritants that surface now and then shouldn't really be "flamers" but maybe "threadworms".

Threadworms are tiny white worms which live in the bowel. They are not harmful themselves but may be a nuisance. They are common especially in children but can affect people of any age. They do not come from pets. The most common symptom is itching around the back passage (anus) at night. This is because the worms are most active at night.

Sounds quite a good summary of some of the stuff we've had here at times. (If you really want to know more about real threadworms here is the link to the site from which that summary came.)

Anyway, the crucial thing to remember is that "They are not harmful themselves but may be a nuisance."

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: GUEST,little john cameron
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:53 AM

Ah see we're still on aboot this yet.
O n the Dundee site site where mah literary gems are posted there is a link tae the 3js,it is a "virtual pub" in Dundee where ex Dundonians hae a gab aboot hame an can generally hae a guid blether.

At the stert it wis fu o stuff like "dae ye mind this" an"did ye ken so an so"but gradually as the fowk got tae ken ane anither the"banter"stertit.As ah said the original idea wis aboot Dundee an Scotland, noo ye never know whit will come up next.

The only subjects that are "taboo" are religion an fitba.Altho they get snuck in noo an again when Brian isnae lookin.
Anyhoo,mah point is that this business aboot readin a hale threed an then moanin aboot it seems tae me tae be a bit masochistic,is it no?Listen tae chief little hawk an an his reincarnated aboriginal wisdom. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: BK
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:30 AM

Been her, on & off, thru some computer-less times, etc., for some years, frequently lurking. In my first few years here, as best I can recall, there were some (relativly rare) major disagreements, but for all practical purposes, NO flaming. NO asshole behavior, & this place was a strikingly hi-class improvement over any other web space I was involved with, even one specifically for medical discussions.

The tone & quality of interaction here was fabulous - really impressive erudition abt music & folk music & realted history & similar issues. There was a lot less of non-music threads (actually hardly ever, as I recall).

Having said the above, I obviously feel the 'cat has been somewhat degraded by the flamers & other twits, but I also think it's still the best. So, as many others have said - ignore 'em. Their psychopath cravings for attention will only be fed & worsened by attention.

Cheers, BK

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Ferrara
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:27 AM

For much of the past year I've been avoiding the non-music threads (when I have time to drop in to Mudcat at all....) but there's a sad price to pay for that: You miss so much of the *good* craziness that makes this place special!

I too ended up reading this thread to the end and in spite of the painful subject, and the sadness I feel about it, there were a lot of smiles too. Thanks, guys.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 11:07 PM

Och, Edmund, do ye recall whit Buffy Sainte-Marie, a braw lassie if e're was ain said: "Laughter is the grease of growth, support your local clown".

That's the whole point laddie...we are friends here, and friends can always enjoy a good laugh. If you want a thread about music...just launch one.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM

It is caed threed creep ED, Jist like a conversation among freens.It is hard tae keep on the topic when yer fu o virtual Guinness. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Edmund Flynn (inactive)
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:12 PM

I rarely read this sort of thread beyond the third or fourth post ... life is too short. Not quite sure why I read this one to the end.
It is astounding to me that so much psychic energy has been invested in exploring a thread that started bcause someone left the Cafe because someone else behaved badly.
I haven't been a Mudcatter long but am awed by the generous and friendly help I have recieved when I needed it. I will try to stick to the musically oriented posts in the future.

Edmund the Incombustible

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:04 PM

AW WEEL THAT WID EXPLAIN IT THEN,YER FRECH WULL BE JIST AS FLUENT THEN. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 07:55 PM

Actually,ljc,ah picked up mah broad Scots accent just ootside Edinborough,Kentucky, which is nicht far from Paris,Kentucky,which could explain some o' yer difficulty in kenning it.Au revoir,Laddie.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 07:25 PM

Lonesome EJ,Whaur did ye pick up the "leid"?It wisnae the "Mel Gibson,book o Scottish vernacular" by ony chance wis it?
Ye'll probably notice,if ye are familiar wi "Broad Scots" an "Doric" that ah modify mah ethnic vocabulary tae whit wid be classified as "Scots English">br>
Noo this micht be considered tae be a bit o an oxymoron but itherwise it wid be unintelligble tae fowk wha unfortunately are no born wi a tartan spoon in their mooth.

As ah said afore it wid be an awfy borin' warl if we were aw the same size,colour,sex an spoke wi nae accent or dialect,which is a dialect in itsel.Maybe Esperanto wid be the answer tae the language problem.

Anyhoo, it's time for mah pills.
SLAINTE LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 06:56 PM

Any collection of friends have arguments and even quarrels from time to time. Sometimes it's because of real differences of opinion about things that matter to us. Sometimes it's because life gets us down, and we take it out on our friends, and it's not fair, but at rtimes that's what being a friend is about.

We can't expect that all of us scattered round the planet and in all kinds of different situations on top of that are going to agree on everything, or have the same attitude towards disagreement. I know that many people find disagreement uncomfortable and something to be avoided, and there are others for whom it is positively enjoyable. I'm not talking about the kind of personal unpleasantness that comes up at times, but about argument.

And again even when we are ostensibly using the same language, it means different things - what seems to some people really hostile might be intended as, and understood by other people as friendly bickering or badinage (great word that - does anyone ever use it in actual speech?)

Jeri's got it right: "I promise to see all people here, unless they demonstrate other intentions, as friends or potential friends. I will remember that when I type replies. I promise to ignore those who wish to make enemies, because that's not why I'm here." And give people the benefit of the doubt. Even if someone seems intent on stirring up a debate that shouldn't be assumed to mean they arer trying to stir up a quarrel.

As for the one's who do sometimes just seem to be trying to muddy the water, it's not hard to ignore them. A lot easier than trying to work out what they're about.

Though even there...This morning on my way back home from Sidmouth Festival in a bus queue a fella spotted my Mudcat badge and said "We've had a few quarrels there" and introduced himself as an anonymous GUEST. Seemed OK enough. We didn't have time to go into the metaphysics of anonymity, or the details of the "quarrels" (I haven't a clue which of the GUEST appearances his were, which is the irritating thing with anonymity, it breaks continuity and fellowship).

But I got the impression that the fact that we are sometimes ready to flare up at provocation does invite provocation. It's not worth wasting anger on times and occasions when it isn't going to achieve anything. Better to save it for the times when you need your anger.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Mbo
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 06:15 PM

Aye weel said! I maun hae me bittock o' the Scots!

--Maithu Ruadh, Cheiftain, Clan Buidhe Theamhdaigh

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 06:06 PM

Just a few words to Little John Cameron and Ewan McVicar-

Laddies,ye're a braw pair o' kilt-wrapped oatmeal porridge guzzlers y'are! I'd gi' a raft o' haggis ta toss th' caber wi' ye,or squesh a bonnie tunie fro' the bagpipes wi' ye! By the Great Bruce and Sir Walter his own sel', ye are the daftest pair o' meadowlarks ta grace th' cairns an' tarns amid th' thistle an' links since Willy Wallace first painted his sel' blue,sucked single malt fro' his pig-bladder, an' flung his sheep-sticker thro' th' air!

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: P05139
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 05:24 PM

Well said, little hawk!!

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 06:43 PM

Got it, Little John, thanks! Looks like a very interesting place. Neat architecture.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 05:38 PM

BYE EWAN, AH FORGOT YE'LL NO BE LOOKIN IN HERE ANY MAIR LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 05:33 PM

Lttle hawk, try this http://www.dundee.ukf.net/

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:57 PM

'Hey Little Hawk, you've given me my "smile for the week"! Your post is SO good, I've re-printed it. I wasn't "little" but I was bloody shy, and you know how that attracts the bullies.

You said:

"Now I have the satisfaction of still looking young when most of them are fat, bald, and out of shape...if not dead...and being a free man when most of them are tied down to a ton of stuff they no longer even care about or desire. They have become living proof that the unexamined life is not worth living.

Ha ha! I got the last laugh, it seems. Take that, Skaneateles, New York and Milton, Ontario!"

Rick again: To that I can only add "Take that, Baie d'Urfe Quebec!"

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:54 PM

I mostly keep out of Mudcat, but look in now and again to see what I've been missing. The discussion about music and performers is usually well worthwhile, but I usually make a point of avoiding these debating threads, especially the self-regarding ones, but I thought I'd look at this one. I found the usual mixture of great good sense and infantile fatuosity. Sadly, also a load of silliness about / from Scots. I've never seen this sort of thing about Irish speech, and wonder how Scots attracts it. But don't post any answer to me here, I won't be looking in here again, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:40 PM

I have met so many great people here that I will always come back and put in some misspelled hello.. The gift is still here and the good people can still be atracted.. All the best GUy

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Sean Belt
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:37 PM

Flamer John,
The Mudcat does sometimes seem daunting to newcomers. It did to me when I first started coming around, anyway. But as time goes by and one reads more posts, that feeling abates.

In an effort to be more welcoming, let me make a suggestion and an offer. Join! It costs nothing, is fairly confidential, and as far as I can tell, the benefits to membership (both psychological and material) are worthwhile. Then, after you've gotten a membership and can exchange PMs with other members, get in touch with me. I'll do my best to let you in on the more obscure jokes -- the ones I get anyway -- and answer any questions I can.

- Sean

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:35 PM

Are you sure about that address, Little John...I can't seem to access it.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Bert
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:22 PM

The problem with playground bullies is a that you can't avoid them. Here though, if anyone tries to bully you, you can just stick your tongue out at them and laugh.

Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:17 PM

Aye little hawk an "who got aw the weemin"

Hae a wee keek in here. See if it is familiar. Ah'm the wee yin. LJC dundee.ukf.net

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:10 PM

Right on, Firecat. I too was hounded by playground bullies, jocks, and sadists right from grade 1 through graduation...because I was small, and because I was different from them.

Now I have the satisfaction of still looking young when most of them are fat, bald, and out of shape...if not dead...and being a free man when most of them are tied down to a ton of stuff they no longer even care about or desire. They have become living proof that the unexamined life is not worth living.

Ha ha! I got the last laugh, it seems. Take that, Skaneateles, New York and Milton, Ontario!

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: P05139
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:55 PM

It's just a shame that people feel they have to leave. The people who upset others to that extent are no worse than playground bullies, and as I've just left high school I know quite a bit about them!

I hope the person who's left can find it in their heart to come backand, as for the nasty people, they should be ashamed of themselves!

It's NOT a joke, no matter what those morons say.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:39 PM

Little John, you sure have a way with words.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 09:33 PM

Actually, the Gene pool was so shallow that even the sand fleas left. Even brothers and sisters had to be cousins and grandparents to themselves. But the one thing that I am sure of is that all of the men had the sense and the decency not to wear a dress. Its not so much an aesthetic thing, but since we're all endowed with such aesthetic things of such a great length and girth, decorum prohibits such attire.

Over the years it has provided steady employment for many of my family though. I had an uncle/brother/cousin who worked on the Alaska pipeline checking welds. Seven cameras were attached to the end of his schlong and he'd check a half mile of pipe at a time.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Bert
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:57 PM

I love the Wellie Boot Song. LJC, Give 'em hell.

Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:26 PM

L.J.C, I love Billy Connolly. Where did he disappear to?

Guest John,

I'm sorry you feel left out. I'm new here, and I'm also new to the internet. I don't know anyone here, and so I can't really participate in very much of the banter. However, I have been treated very kindly when I needed help with understanding how things work here, and, so far, nobody has told me to stop posting the things that I want to say.

I think that sometimes it's disconcerting to type something into cyber-space and to not know what type of response you're getting from the other end of the line. If no one responds, it's easy to think that you're being ignored. You shouldn't assume that, though. I spend most of the time I'm in the mudcat reading, absorbing, and especially, laughing hysterically, at the things that other people are saying, but they don't know that.

I hope you are able to ease your way into the cyber-community that is the Mudcat. And I hope you feel better soon.

Best wishes, Carol

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:26 PM

According to Kendall "Spaw is from the shallow end of the gene pool."

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:11 PM

CamiSu, ah cannae really play the pipes."Firin' up the pipes" is a sayin' like "rattlin' yer cage"
Ah'm awa oot noo tae the folk club noo as the gang has kidnapped me an' are tryin' tae resurrect me back intae the real world.Ah hope ah can mind aw the words o mah songs.Aw've been practicin' the "Wellie boot song" LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Tiger
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:59 PM

I spent some time on the Jerry Jeff Walker e-mail forum, but had to leave - not the same reasonas here, though.

We had our share of flamers and obscenity, but it always died out. I encouraged myself with the old phrase "This, too, shall pass." - and it did.

However, I eventually had to vacate when the already meager music content degenerated into a chattering match, with two members as the primary culprits. No obscenity, just nonsense. So, with maybe 20 posts a day, 15 were between these two jackasses. I have no problem with the delete button, but because this was an e-mail forum, I had to respond to yet ANOTHER "Do you really want to delete unread messages?" query. Since all the mail was from "the list" I couldn't use a filter to shut these two out.

After six months, I checked in again, assuming that "This, too, had passed," but it hadn't. So I've been gone ever since. Pity, 'cause I enjoyed most of the group members, and HAVE stayed in contact.

Well, another six months has passed. Maybe I'll look again.

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: CamiSu
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:58 PM

Little John My Namesake...Can you still play them after you've fired them up? And will we hear them here in Vermont?

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:50 PM

Ah wis jist haein a keek at yer photies catspaw an ah wis wonderin whit side o the gene pool ye were on as it's hard tae tell fae the pics.There is a kind o androgenous look aboot ye. but as Seinfeld says"not that there is anything wrong with that" Jist a wee observation ye ken!!

Ye should see mah beard noo .Ah can hardly tell where tae pit mah beer.It's handy tho for pickin bits o food oot for a snack when ye are online. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:44 PM

LOL, you guys. A belly laugh a day keeps the doctors all away- at this rate, I'll live to one hundred and twenty; just a kid am I, after all. Spaw, that's a GREAT line... cross-dresser indeed. hhahahhahah

Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:37 PM

No' bad Bert, the Sassenachs tried tae day that for for years but we're still scarin' the shit oot o' them yet. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:32 PM

Yasee LJ, the problem is that what I do is hammer the same damn thing ad infinitum until someone's ready to kill me, and then drop it for awhile before rehashing it again. People are sitting ther going, "GEEZIZ, Will that dumb SOB get off it.....It ain't funny....STOP!!!!" Now the trick is to stop just before this point and then bring it back when they think its finally gone.

On the other hand, you have got one helluva' beard! I mean, if you woke up with your face upside down...who could tell? Do the Moon Pie folks still pay you residuals?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Bert
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:28 PM

fire up mah pipes!!! best suggestion I've heard yet. BTW that does mean 'set fire to them' doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:26 PM

Naw Micca, that wis the Clan Slocumb. "Dinnae touch mah pussy" LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: little john cameron
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:22 PM

Naw Sinsull, that wis a sad effort o flamin.For a stert aw guid flamers widnae say the same thing twice especially if it never got a rise oot o the "flamee" the first time.An somethin original wid be nice.Ah fell oot mah crib hearin the cross dressin thing.Funny the Germans never mention it. Ye'll have tae day better than that tae warrant me yasin up guid drinkin' time tae fire up mah pipes. LJC

Subject: RE: BS: We Lost Another One
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:17 PM

Sinsull, Catspaw kind of fancies white socks too

Bonnie