Subject: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: GUEST,emily b Date: 15 Dec 00 - 05:46 PM Dear Mudcatters, Someone once sang for me a really cool counter melody to this Christmas carol. With it, she had words that came from some very old text. It made a beautiful, sort of haunting piece. I'm sorry I don't have more to go on than this. Does anyone know it? Thanks, Emily See Related Thread (click) |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 15 Dec 00 - 06:35 PM Dear Emily. The Carol is called, Veni Veni Emmanuel. 18th Century Carol by T.A.Lacey. I appologise but do not know the tune or have any way of finding it for you. Perhaps someone here who plays music might provide the tune. Yours, Aye. Dave
O come O come Emmanuel
Rejoice Rejoice Emmanuel
O come thou branch of Jesse draw
O come O come thou dayspring bright
O come thou Lord of David's key
O come O come AdonaI (sp?) |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Dec 00 - 06:50 PM For a quicker response, have Emmanuel try some Viagra, or its generic equivalent, mycoxaphalin. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:27 PM Emily, you said you were looking for the counter melody. Do you remember any of the words? |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:31 PM Would you settle for an over-the-counter melody? Its true we have pulled quite a few off the market lately, but business is still pretty brisk. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:35 PM Spaw, this reminds me of a game we used to play in junior choir, called, "Between the sheets". Look in the back of any hymnal, at the Index of First Lines. Read any first line of any hymn. Then say, "Between the sheets." Oh, well, we thought it was pretty funny in junior choir... "What Wondrous Love is This... Awake my soul, stretch every nerve... Oh love, how deep, how broad, how high... etc. |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:42 PM Well Alli, its still funny if you have a "junior choir" mind...........like me!(:<)) Works well with Carols..........
God rest ye merry, gentlemen Spaw |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 16 Dec 00 - 06:54 AM Still, still, still... The boars head in hand bear I On this day, earth shall ring.. We've been awhile a-wandering... You're right! |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: campfire Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:26 AM As long as we don't go to "Where Shepherds Watched Their Flocks By Night...." Besides, 'Spaw prefers a yak. campfire |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: Zebedee Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:45 AM This also works with Thread titles. From the current list: Time to come together... My Daddy's been taken by bears... Bound To See My Mother 10000 Miles Away... So Be Easy and Free When You're. . . |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: Zebedee Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:52 AM Or even the title of this thread: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help... Ed |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 16 Dec 00 - 01:06 PM There you go, Emily. I knew someone could help you with that counter-melody you were looking for. Glad we could be of assistance. All the best. Seamus |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: Marion Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:56 PM Emily, I don't know the counter-melody either (though I certainly wish I did), but here's a link to an earlier thread about this carol - maybe something here will provide you with a lead? Latin for O Come O Come Emmanuel Marion |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanual-need help From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 17 Dec 00 - 05:29 PM It's ok, Seamus, it's just another way to keep the thread alive. Or I could just type "Refresh"- but this is fun, too! Oh, come, all ye faithful... |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Dec 00 - 07:11 PM Anybody got anything on this yet? "We three Kings of Orient are" Spaw |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 18 Dec 00 - 07:16 PM Animaterra, I heard of a similar game. Read a fortune cookie fortune out loud, then say, "in bed." |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: GUEST,Marion Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:33 PM Although the joking around may serve the legitimate purpose of keeping the thread up there, I'd be worried that a guest or newcomer might not realize that, and think that her question was being blown off. Marion |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: Hamish Date: 19 Dec 00 - 08:03 AM I play it as a tune in standard tuning: chords are (find you own extra notes with little finger/whatever): Am C G(B) Am/G(B) C Am F Em7 Am D D(C) G/D D Am/C G(B) Am/G(B) Am C C G(B) Am F Em7 Am Am ...or something like that. S'funny how the muscle memory doesn't work so well without the guitar in my hands... Happy Christmas! Hamish |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: LR Mole Date: 19 Dec 00 - 10:19 AM Chestnuts roasting on an open fire... Have yourself a merry little Christmas... Sleigh bells ring, are ya listenin... Come, they told me, pa-rum-pa-pum-pum...
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Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: GUEST,emily b Date: 19 Dec 00 - 05:10 PM Thanks everyone for responding. Sorry I didn't check back in sooner. I was distracted between the sheets...LOL! Actually, I was distracted by Christmas stuff, etc. Now that I'm re-reading my original post, I realize that I wasn't very clear. I know the carol, the tune and the melody. It was this counter-melody and words I'm looking for. Animaterra, I can't remember a blasted thing about it except that I participated in the singing of it. But I was singing the regular melody and words. It's probably some obscure tune/lyrics that someone realized worked with the carol but wouldn't normally go with it. Marion, thanks for the concern about the thread creep. It does get a bit much at times. Fortunately, I've been around long enough to understand it. As soon as I get online at home I'll sign up for real. Thanks again. If I ever find this, I'll post it. Happy Holidays to all, Emily B |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Dec 00 - 05:19 PM Sorry Em that we couldn't get it..........I remember doing things as a kid in choir and such and I forget some of the details......except that it was something I liked. Keep thinkin' and if you come up with some other clues,,,,try it again. And Marion.....Neither Animaterra nor I will screw up serious threads for the hell of it. Also, I have met emily a lot before around here and she's not the type to mind. Spaw |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: Airymouse Date: 15 Feb 13 - 09:29 PM I was wondering if "come" and "ransom" are in the imperative mood. Possibly they are in the subjunctive mood indicating wish as in "God bless you" or "I wish I were a fuzzy wuzzy fox". Of course, "until the son of God APPEAR" is subjunctive of indefinite future. Thus, if "come" is a command, we have a well-known sentence in which all three moods are used. I am hoping some mudcatter is secretly an English professor and can straighten me out. |
Subject: Lyr Add: VENI VENI ... / O COME O COME EMMANUEL From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Feb 13 - 10:30 PM Hi, Airymouse - I'm glad I had the Internet to help me out. I had six years of Latin, but it has faded in the 45 years since my 6th-year class.
and Ransom (solve) - better translated "release" are both imperatives. The imperative is usually formed by dropping the last two letters from the infinitive, so "venire" (to come) becomes "veni" (come) - but "venite" (Y'all come) in the plural, as in "venite adoremus." Hope that helps. Vote for me for pope. -Joe, the ex-seminarian-
Source: http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Hymni/VeniEmm.html |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Feb 13 - 05:59 AM Going back to the original question, when I was a choirboy (sort of) we had a few performances in which a Latin version of a hymn was sung as a "counter" by a solo voice while the main choir sang the English. This didn't happen very often, but the "countermelody" was generally just something very close to the alto harmony, with the minor adjustments needed for differences in syllables. (The strong singers we had were mostly female voices, but the melody usually is in the sopranos so the alto might be prefered regardless?) Depending on the background of the congregation, the same sort of thing could probably be done with any other language. I would have expected that perhaps a German version would have "sounded right" for many of the people in churches in my area, but I've heard a few quite lovely Swedish and Dutch renditions of well known hymns that probably would have fit well as counterpoint to English with very little "arrangement." John |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: Midchuck Date: 16 Feb 13 - 08:41 AM The game procedure could be applied to the text of Guest Marion's post, itself, with some success. P. |
Subject: RE: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel-need help From: Airymouse Date: 16 Feb 13 - 09:41 AM Hi Joe, Had I a vote, you'd have it. were you bold enough (at least 82). I am delighted to know a sentence with the imperative, the indicative, and the subjunctive all in one fell swoop, though I admit no sane person would care. |
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