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Tune Req: Bonnie Susie Clelland

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BONNIE SUSIE CLELAND
LADY MARGRIE
THE GAIRDNER CHILD


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GUEST,Edmund Thomas 29 Apr 01 - 05:51 PM
Sorcha 29 Apr 01 - 05:53 PM
Sorcha 30 Apr 01 - 02:33 PM
Joe Offer 30 Apr 01 - 03:40 PM
MMario 30 Apr 01 - 03:49 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 30 Apr 01 - 04:43 PM
GUEST,Edmund 01 May 01 - 09:29 PM
Sorcha 01 May 01 - 10:44 PM
GUEST,Edmund Thomas 02 May 01 - 07:16 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 May 01 - 09:02 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 02 May 01 - 09:51 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 03 May 01 - 11:37 AM
Peg 03 May 01 - 08:40 PM
Sorcha 03 May 01 - 09:00 PM
GUEST,Mac Tattie 04 May 01 - 02:56 PM
CET 05 Jun 01 - 07:47 PM
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Subject: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Edmund Thomas
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 05:51 PM

I am looking for the music to a Scottish ballad called "Bonnie Susie Clelland". I know the tune and the lyrics, but I would like to get the written music. Can anyone tell me where I find it? Thanks


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 05:53 PM

Click me! for the sheet music at JC's Tunefinder.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Apr 01 - 02:33 PM

Come back, come back to the five and dime, Edmund!!


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Subject: RE: Tune for Bonnie Susie Cleland
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:40 PM

For the record, the tune is in the Digital Tradition here (click), but not in sheet music form.
This one is a bit difficult to find because of possible alternate spellings. I'm thinking of adding a corrected entry to the Digital Tradition with possible alternate spellings. "Clelland" is one alternate that would help searching. Can anybody suggest others? What spellings of "Susie" should be included?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: MMario
Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:49 PM

I've seen it as Suzy, Susan, Susanne, Susie Clemand, Clellen, Klellan

And as "Morgan Wallace"


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 30 Apr 01 - 04:43 PM

Motherwell was the first to collect it. Unfortunately he never kept track of things very well, and his manuscripts have the same song attributed to two different women. The tune of one (noted by Andrew Blaikie of Paisley) was published in his 'Minstrelsy", 1827, repeated in Bronson's 'Tradition Tunes of the Child Ballads", and I gave it as an ABC in the forum ) search it on 'Cleland'.

Andrew Blaikie collected another tune for it which Jack Campin located and made an ABC of it, which he posted on Scots-L, and I thought I gave it in this Forum but can't remember where.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Edmund
Date: 01 May 01 - 09:29 PM

Thanks for the help, everyone. If anybody else has any bright ideas, please pass them along.

I think "Clelland" is my misspelling. It is probably Cleland.

Sorcha, What's the "five and dime" and why should I come back to it??

Edmund


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 May 01 - 10:44 PM

Uh Oh.......I'll bet it's transatlantic faliure again!! It's a line from a song (i forget which one) that refers to Jimmy (James Dean), a dead American moive star and cult icon. A five and dime is a "dime store"--sort of an all purpose General Mercantile thing like WalMart.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Edmund Thomas
Date: 02 May 01 - 07:16 PM

Sorcha:

Thanks again for replying. I know who James Dean was and what a five and dime is (we have similar things in Canada). I wasn't clear on how that might apply to me.

If it has to do with being a member of Mud Cat Cafe, I am trying but experiencing technical difficulties.

The tune for Bonnie Susie Cleland you referred me to is not the one I am familiar with, but the lyrics are very similar.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 May 01 - 09:02 PM

Bruce posted the tune (in abc format) given by Motherwell in this earlier discussion:  Bonnie Susie Cleland -- Different Tune.  It is the one used by Jean Redpath (and no doubt a great many others who have learned it from her record) and is probably more familiar than the one in the DT, which was transcribed from the singing of one Lisa Null; there is no indication as to where Ms. Null got it, and the tune Sorcha found through JC was extracted by Martin Doering from the DT and transcribed into abc from the midi in the file here, so that doesn't give any additional information.  Abc can be converted easily into staff notation through a number of shareware programs; info available through the FAQ.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 02 May 01 - 09:51 PM

I'll probably being seeing Lisa this weekend, and I'll ask her where she got her's (if Charlie B. doesn't see this first and beat me to it)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 03 May 01 - 11:37 AM

The 2nd tune collected by Andrew Blaikie, c 1827, for "Bonnie Susie Cleland" is in the Ballad-L archives (search on Google) Apr. 11, 2001, #13- 'Motherwell, the end'. [And in the Scots-L archives twice]


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Peg
Date: 03 May 01 - 08:40 PM

"Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean" is a stage play, later made into a film starring Cher. Sandy Dennis and Karen Black...


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 May 01 - 09:00 PM

Thank you Peg. I just could not remember anything, except that it was a "catch phrase"..........


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: GUEST,Mac Tattie
Date: 04 May 01 - 02:56 PM

For words and music of this ballad go to this great wee site, www.traditionalmusic.co.uk cheers


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: CET
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 07:47 PM

I'm refreshing this thread because I would like to track down Jean Redpath's recording of Bonnie Susie Cleland. Someone on an earlier thread mentioned a recording called "Father Adam" but I can't find anything by that title at Folk Legacy.

Can anybody help?

Edmund


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 09:02 PM

Father Adam can be had on cassette from  http://www.jeanredpath.com/

"www.traditionalmusic.co.uk" looks good at first sight, until you notice that it's a commercial venture composed almost entirely of unattributed material copied from other people's websites (a lot of it came from this one), with apparantly no effort at all made to acknowledge sources.  As a consequence, it's not only worthless as a resource for anyone who's serious about traditional music, it's actually seriously misleading, and I would stongly advise against using it; at least until the owner takes the trouble to document his material, which is easily done nowadays by anybody who can be bothered.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Music for 'Bonnie Susie Clelland'
From: CET
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 05:36 PM

Thanks Malcolm

Edmund Thomas


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