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BS: What if you couldn't go any more?

Pseudolus 09 May 01 - 10:27 AM
MMario 09 May 01 - 10:31 AM
jeffp 09 May 01 - 10:34 AM
Clinton Hammond 09 May 01 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,Mr Red@Library 09 May 01 - 11:15 AM
Liz the Squeak 09 May 01 - 01:32 PM
Jim the Bart 09 May 01 - 01:55 PM
lady penelope 09 May 01 - 02:04 PM
Matt_R 09 May 01 - 02:05 PM
Amergin 09 May 01 - 02:13 PM
Matt_R 09 May 01 - 02:51 PM
GUEST,Albamist 09 May 01 - 03:10 PM
GUEST,Phil Cooper 09 May 01 - 03:22 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 May 01 - 03:44 PM
kendall 10 May 01 - 09:00 AM
Bill D 10 May 01 - 09:27 AM
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Sarah the flute 12 May 01 - 08:43 AM
BK 12 May 01 - 09:13 AM
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Subject: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 09 May 01 - 10:27 AM

There is an Irish Pub where I live that I play at on a regular basis. It has been there for twenty years. As of the end of June, it will not be there any longer. Some of you may say, ah, plenty of places to drink around here, just find another. Maybe that's true, but this place is different. It's a place where truely "everybody knows your name". It's a place that I could count on to stop by on a weekend and know that there would be music to listen to, people to talk and laugh with and a nice atmosphere to relax in. If I was to say everything about the owners that I would like to, most or all of you would stop reading just because of the length of the post. Suffice it to say that they are Class people that ran a Class Establishment. Benefits, Community Outreach stuff, and Goodwill were a constant at O'Friel's. Doing the right thing has always been the norm over there and without going into specifics, closing up shop is the right thing now. Running a business is a stressful thing and this past Saturday while I finished up what was probably my last weekend there, I noticed that the owners have never looked more contented and happy. So.......thrilled for them, sad for us...Many tears will be shed that last weekend in June, many of them mine. But there will always be the memories, twenty years worth, which is where the smiles come in.

Anybody else have that special place that if it weren't there anymore, you would be sad?

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: MMario
Date: 09 May 01 - 10:31 AM

< rant on >well - based on what some people have said about the MudCat - "it's not a real communnity anyway, blah, blah , blah blah" [don't see what makes the Mudcat any more or less "real" then the pub in your situation] < rant off >

yup - have several - and looks like I will be losing one this fall, not through it's demise, but by a replacement of virtually the entire staff (of 45 or so I know only 2 will return)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: jeffp
Date: 09 May 01 - 10:34 AM

Frank, I feel for you, I really do. I lost a place like that last summer. My wife and I courted in there, we even had our wedding reception there. We had heard rumors that it was going to close, but nothing concrete. I went away to Augusta for a week, came back to find it gone. We had been planning to have our anniversary dinner there and had to make other plans. It took weeks to find out where all our friends were now going. The new hangout is nice, but it's just not the same.

My deepest sympathies in your time of loss. It really is like losing a good friend. A good, rousing wake would be in order.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 May 01 - 11:03 AM

yup... been there done that... more than a few times... And it taught me that everything comes and everything goes... Doesn't mean it won't make ya feel really down if ya let it... But there's a new watering hold out there for ya...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: GUEST,Mr Red@Library
Date: 09 May 01 - 11:15 AM

For me that place is St Anns Well, Malvern, UK.
A dear departed friend (and ex) worked in the cafe.
Though I always say that I am sentimental about Malvern because I got divorced there.
The big D is when life begins again and for me it was a life and a half, full of Folk & folk and Malvern.
on the last visit there was an open air concert of muso friends and half the folks I knew were milling round.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 May 01 - 01:32 PM

Towersey festival for me. We got new people in the pub last year and although they tried their best - to the extent of the barman donning kilt and bagpipes to give us a set - it wasn't quite the same.......

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 09 May 01 - 01:55 PM

I have known a few of those places, and to this day I'm not sure what's crueller - to see places close down entirely or go on under new ownership, but without the same heart.

It used to be that around Chicago, whenever one music venue disappeared, another one would seem to magically appear to pick up the slack. It's not like that anymore. Too many sports bars, DJ's and Karaoke bars, not enough live music around these days. It's sad, but things change and one must move on. But you don't have to like it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: lady penelope
Date: 09 May 01 - 02:04 PM

Being a 'rock chick' at heart, I was very sad to see the demise of the Marquee club/s. the original club in Wardour Street was where I saw my first proper gig, Marillion etc. At the "New Marquee" on Charing Cross Road I saw bands like Wolfsbane, The Wildhearts, Poison and many others that never quite seemed to make it, regardless of their talent. Its closing seemed to mark the end of my total involvement in rock. Sigh.

TTFN M'Lady P.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Matt_R
Date: 09 May 01 - 02:05 PM

Poison never seemed to make it? Well! Every rose DOES have it's thorn!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Amergin
Date: 09 May 01 - 02:13 PM

Poison had talent? i just thought their gimmick was to don woman's clothing....


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Matt_R
Date: 09 May 01 - 02:51 PM

And make-up!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: GUEST,Albamist
Date: 09 May 01 - 03:10 PM

This thread reminds me of a radio interview I once listened to, featuring John Lennon. In response to the billionth time he had been asked about the break up and possible reunion of the Beatles. He described a bar in Greenich Village New York, where in the sixties, all the Beatniks, hippies, poets, songsters, radicals and revolutionaries would hang out and discuss change and plot subversion. The owner decided it was time to redecorate the place since it had not been painted in years. What do you think happened? All the merchants of change picketed and demonstrated outside demanding the owner leave things just as they were. I thought it to be a humourous example of how most of us do not welcome change, especially if it effects us, take comfort in the fact that you are in good company.

Albamist


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: GUEST,Phil Cooper
Date: 09 May 01 - 03:22 PM

The Marquee club closed? I went to the Wardour Street version in 1977 and saw Five Hand Reel play for the release for their album "For a' That" what a great show. The announcer had said, "after six months of this punk shit, we finally have a band that knows how to play."

In the Chicago area, I miss being able to see acts at Holsteins. It seems here these days that we either have big acts at the Old Town School, or acts that used to play Holstein's playing in the suburbs. The area needs a place a step above the No Exit where people can play that can't fill the Old town school.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 01 - 03:44 PM

I have a local history book called 'Pubs of Swinton and Pendlebury', my home town. I haven't counted but I reckon there must be more than 50 listed. We are now down to less than 20! (boohoo:() A lot were there within my memory even if I was not old enogh to go in.

No point really... Just goes to show things are changing everywhere and have been for a long time. Somtimes for the better but more often for the worse....

Cheers

Dave the Glum


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: kendall
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:00 AM

For me it was the Thirsty Whale Tavern in Camden Maine. Great food, any kind of booze you wanted and folk music every Sat. evening. Lots of sea songs by real sailors. Everyone knew everyone. But, alas, times change and the need of money rears its ugly head. The owners sold it and bought a bar downtown. They make money now, but, except on rare occasions, there is nothing to be heard there but more rukus and roll cranked up to the threshhold of pain, so loud you cant think. (Maybe thats the whole idea) If you are ever in Camden, stop in at Gilberts Publik House. They are wonderful people. ps, bring your ear plugs, and, leave your taste in music at the door.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 May 01 - 09:27 AM

The Red Fox Inn in Bethesda MD.,USA closed almost 20 years ago..*sigh*...It was my first experience on a stage and being accepted, even though I was not the best.

And our (FSGW) own Washington Folk Festival is on shaky ground due to renovation of the park where it has been held for 22 years...there wont be one in two weeks, and there MAY not be one next year. And it is hard to regain momentum with aged volunteers and complex routines.

It ain't fair, Daddy!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 01 - 10:29 AM

LTS
I think we should applaud any publican that get into the spirit - more than compensates for the "differences"
Too many new owners/managers have better ideas until they realise folkies get through copious amounts of beer without trashing the place and frightening the horses and won't come back if you beg them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 12 May 01 - 08:43 AM

Too true that all things change.... then I ponder is it me? The house I grew up in has been pulled down, the school I went to is no more and even the University building that I myself had an attempt (unintentional) at destroying has now hit the dust! What is happening????


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: BK
Date: 12 May 01 - 09:13 AM

"The Pilar & the Met are gone The Royal long shut down as the great unyielding concrete makes a City of my Town"

"Geronimo's gone Sam Bass is gone the Lion is gone Red Wolf is gone"

Things come'n go throughout the world; I just hope new folk venues can keep popping up... I've extended (or better yet, mostly renewed) my interest in bluegrss & cowboy music, which has helped keep possibilities open.

Cheers, BK


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: kendall
Date: 12 May 01 - 09:17 AM

Love is rare, life is strange, nothing lasts and people change. We must have change, otherwise we would all be in a cave somewhere trying to invent fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if you couldn't go any more?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 May 01 - 10:11 AM

To the tune of "All for Me grog":

Now where is me pub, me Irish Village Pub? It's all gone for profit and for plunder;
Now when you walk in the door,
You'll see carpets on the floor,
And you'll have to wear a tie to get a beer, boys!

Sigh, one of the early "homes" of the nomadic Portland Folk Club, now so long gone...


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