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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 17 Sep 01 - 05:51 AM Click here for the Urban Legends Site referred to by Sourdough above. Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 17 Sep 01 - 06:21 AM The most influential book I ever read during my formative years was "The Science of Chance" by Dr Horace Levinson. This book was an eye-opener to me, and if you have any predisposition to believe in premonitions, miracles, or any such like, for the sake of rationalism you owe it to yourself to read this book. The book was originally published by Faber & Faber and is, I suppose, out or print by now. However your local library will be able to get a copy. Read it and get your Weltanschauung updated ! Rationally Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Sourdough Date: 17 Sep 01 - 09:33 PM Murray MacLeod: Thanks for making the blue clicker to Urban Legends. I hope that some will take a look at it. It is a fine site run as a labor of love, I believe. Sourdough |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 17 Sep 01 - 10:21 PM I visited the site, I think Nostradamus is a bunch ot crap I have had the occasional premonition though as I said in an earlier thread, I had a dream about a certain horse (Kings Best) winning a race, it then went on to win that reace 8/1, it was not the favourite, anyone can predict a favourite will win and 1/3rd of the time they will be right.If I ever dream of a hose winning a race again I willpost it here, before the race, so anyone intersted can get their money on. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Peg Date: 17 Sep 01 - 11:13 PM Clinton wrote: "I had a pre-cognitive dream about the death of Dizzy Gillespie" That's not pre cognition... that's coincidence... I've had it happen to me too...>>>> Do tell. I dreamed of his death *the night before* I learned it had happened in fact (I saw the news the following morning). Is that still a coincidence?
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Sep 01 - 06:09 AM John in Hull, if too many believe you the horse will become favourite Peg, that could also be cryptomnesia Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Crazy Eddie Date: 18 Sep 01 - 06:16 AM Reference : Spaw, catspaw49 Date: 14-Sep-01 - 08:02 AM
Murray, regarding my Weimaraner, he licked his own balls. I think he does this because he can......
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Sep 01 - 11:03 AM That is -absolutely- a coincidence... murry... sounds like a damn good read that... I'll keep an eye out fer it... .-) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 01 - 01:13 PM Frankly Eddie, I'd just as soon he licked my balls, but then again......... Don't forget to order your "Catspaw Scatology Cards" folks. I messed up the horse race because I didn't read them properly. Practice DOES make perfect and I'm getting better. Again this morning I consulted them and found that Dizzy Gillespie is still dead. Far out huh? I did a second reading and was mystified at the accuracy which can be attained through proper interpretation! The cards before me said that I "would be overcome by the fumes of rotting vegetation in a wet and humid place." Well last night I had sauerkraut and this morning I farted in the shower! Simply amazing isn't it? Order yours TODAY!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Paul from Hull Date: 18 Sep 01 - 06:09 PM More contrived nonsense (to my mind, anyway) Sent to me by a British-born friend who lived in America for 25 years, & got it sent to her by someone in the States. The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 9/11 = 911 Emergency's Phone number September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11 Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 there's more .......... State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union New York City - 11 Letters Afghanistan - 11 Letters The Pentagon - 11 Letters Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted or orchestrating the attack on the WTC in 1993) Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 At least Nostrodamus got PAID to do this kind of thing.... |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Sep 01 - 09:34 AM Somebody has WAY too much time on their hands.... |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Wolfgang Date: 19 Sep 01 - 11:14 AM Why have they left out George W. Bush, 11 letters? It reminds me of a very old political joke in Germany before the 1965 election. The then very old (89 years) Konrad Adenauer was chancellor for the CDU, then still young Willy Brandt was the contender for the SPD.
The joke: Brandt and Adenauer meet and Brandt says to Adenauer: "I have detected a hidden numerological political law for this century in Germany. I'll write it down for you. Adenauer looked long at the figures and said: "My young colleague, you have forgotten my 14 honorary doctorates." Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 19 Sep 01 - 01:04 PM Some people believe in stuff, some people don't. 'Sokay. I have had fun learning about tarot cards. It's an interesting process. Many years ago, my mother and some of her gal pals went to a fortune teller just for the heck of it. The lady told her that she would marry again, a man with white hair. Mom probably forgot all about this; I don't know, she never mentioned it again. But my stepfather has white hair. Probably a lucky guess. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 19 Sep 01 - 07:14 PM One of Nostradamus lesser known quatrains: Quand le nombre des postes devient trop Alors, il faut que le main du chat quarante-neuf Fait un cliquie bleu Et aborde un discussion nouveau. Just wish I knew what it all meant. Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Gloredhel Date: 19 Sep 01 - 07:53 PM Paul from Hull-- Yeah, number stuff is easy to do. When we read War and Peace in my sophomore lit. class (a character does this in the book) my teacher had us all use number systems to make the letters in our names add up to 666, proving that each of us was the anti-Christ. I don't know anyone who couldn't do it, although the fact that one guy has 6 letters in each of his names is a little wierd. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 19 Sep 01 - 09:44 PM Kim C...(I have been busy for a couple of days)."Okay, BillD, explain me this. " ...well, I don't need it explained. It is interesting, that's all. I have picked up the phone to call someone and found them already on the line, calling me...strange, but *shrug*. Once, I looked at a digital watch, and it was 11:11 on Nov. 11...and off & on for years, I tended to notice myself looking at the clock at 11:11...and then it seemed to stop..mostly. Silly...strange...but as far as I can tell, IT MEANT NOTHING: and I have had other events of the same nature....and deja vu and scary dreams...so far, I am batting about .000 in my ability to predict. Your mileage differs? Fine..*grin*..play the stock market! Do people really read minds and 'see' the future? Let me know when you have something more than temporary statistical anomolies. I just don't **need** such things explained. Some people just seem to be psychologically constituted to want explanations for phenomena like simultaneous singing, but cause & effect rules are a bit more stringent than that. Try an experiment where you agree to call your husband every day for several months and ask each other what songs you just sang....when you get up to 5%...call me, and I'll be awed! |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 01 - 10:03 PM Ah geez Bill.....What YOU need is a deck of these Catspaw Scatology Cards!!! They really do work man!!! I just dealt out an array and with my newly acquired reading skills, I saw clearly that not only is Dizzy Gillespie still dead, but John Coltrane is too! Ya' gotta' order a set Bill......They'll make you a believer! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 19 Sep 01 - 10:07 PM Anyone who reads the book by Dr Levinson which I mentioned above will no longer be surprised or amazed by coincidences. He demonstrates statstically (with easy to understand mathematics) why coincidences are bound to happen, and that it would indeed be remarkable if they didn't happen. But coincidences is what they are, nothing less, nothing more, no matter how shaken or impressed you were at the time. Remember,as a parallel, even though the likelihood of you winning the State lottery is astronomically small, the probability that someone will win it on any given occasion is quite high. Murray |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 01 - 10:12 PM I always figure I have about the same chances of winning whether I play or not. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Crazy Eddie Date: 20 Sep 01 - 08:51 AM Spaw, How much does a deck of them there Scatalogical Cards cost? I reckon I'd best order two sets. I seem to have a habit of losing cards, leastwise I'm often told that I'm not playing with a full deck. Do you supply an instruction book with 'em? I had a dream last night that I was using the Cards, and got a strange combination. It's got to mean something; any ideas on interpreting it? Tin of Curried Beanz (sorry, that should read TEN, not TIN) Ace of Stink King of Crap Knave of Farts Seven of Flames I'd sure appreciate if you can shed any light on it! Your devoted diciple, Eddie |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Kim C Date: 20 Sep 01 - 10:21 AM I don't myself need explanations for things like that. Sometimes the coincidences, or even a string of them, seem very, very strange. That's all. Synchronicity. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 20 Sep 01 - 11:47 AM 'spaw...since it was MY idea that sparked them cards in the first place, I think I should get a free set! But I see by my tea leaves this morning that I should not sit by the mailbox waiting. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: GUEST,Optimistic Date: 20 Sep 01 - 02:33 PM I certainly hope that old "Nosty's" predictions are correct because according to my reading of him, my wife is actually going to have sex with me this month. |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Donuel Date: 20 Sep 01 - 02:42 PM There are predictions then there prophesy that is a prediction tainted with religion. THe more generalized the more "accurate " to the believer. However:::: When it comes to translations of old French ,such as Nostrodamus, a GOOD translation makes a big difference.
If done well it sounds like this; To the east of the salty river Shiites full of hate send messages by lightening Pirates ram the great ship of state The great treasure sinks
If translated poorly; In the Great Salt Lake Full of hateful electric turds Large or'deurves float meeting the shore The great memorabillia stinks |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Sourdough Date: 20 Sep 01 - 04:55 PM Here is what the Urban legend site has to say about the "significance of "11". Also, towards the end of this post is my on take on coincidences and their meaning. The telephone country code of 119 is used for neither Iran nor Iraq -- Iran's country code is 98, Iraq's is 964, and 119 is unassigned. Also, American Airlines Flight 77 carried 64 people (58 passengers and 6 crew members), not 65.] As for an explanation of the other "11"s., trhey say something that Wolfgang and others have been saying in different forms. "It is but human nature to search for patterns even where none exist. We attempt to impose a gestalt on randomness because chaos is impossible to comprehend, hence our fascination with recurrent themes. We feel something of great import is going on if a particular number comes up time and again, and we are unsettled by it. "And yet, it's all randomness. That is not to say that at times any number plucked from the air will not appear more often than is the norm because such clumpings are only an expected part of the process of random distribution. Even though a flipped coin comes up heads five hundred times out of a thousand, it does not follow that each 'head' occurrence is immediately followed by a 'tails' -- inevitably during a run of a thousand trials, there will be moments wherein the 'tails' tally varies significantly from the 'heads' count. Clumping can and does occur, and random numbers seemingly appear more often at various moments in time. Over the long run, of course, everything evens out. But at the moment when 13 comes up four times in a row on a roulette wheel, or 11 seems to jump off the page at one, it all seems so very eerie. "There is nothing inherently portentious about the number 11. Other numbers such as 13, 7, 4, and 3 are strongly tied to a number of supersitions, both good and bad. But 11 is as innocuous a number as there could be. "Another way of looking at the seemingly impressive array of 11s showcased in the widely circulated e-mail is: "Date of the attack: 11/9 11 - 9 = 2 Date of the attack: September 11 = 1 + 1 = 2 Year of the attack: 2001 = 2 + (0*0*1) = 2 + 0 = 2 September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 = 1 + 1 = 2 Telephone country code for Afghanistan: 93 9 * 3 = 27 93 - 27 = 56 = 5 + 6 = 11 = 1 + 1 = 2 World Trade Center: 2 towers World Trade Center attacked by: 2 airplanes Each airplane: 2 wings The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11: 1 + 1 = 2 New York = 2 words The Pentagon = 2 words Ramzi Yousef = 2 words" The above was taken from the URban Legends site - the following is my contribution: A very effective scam run at race tracks is for a tout to go around telling people, "confidentially", the name of the winning horse in the next race. However, gives different names to each person so that he has small groups of people who had been told by him that a particular horse would win. Of course, he did not expect them to place any money on his recommendation, he has first to build up their trust. However, one of the horses wins the race but it does not matter which one. He now has the attention of that group whom he had advised to place their money on the winning mount. They take him seriously but realize that it might have been just a lucky guess. He next tells each of them in this smaller group the name of the horse that will win the next race. Again, though, he gives each bettor each a different name. Again, a horse wins the horse race - nothing remarkable in that but the bettor who happened to have been given what turned out to be the second winning tip is now sure that the tout has great instincts or information and will place a large bet with him on the next "sure thing". After all, his equine advisor proven himself, he had come through twice with winners! And what are the odds of that!!? Of course, this scam be run through several more layers by starting out with a bigger initial group making the psychic or handicapping abilities of the tout seem even more paranormal to the "wining" bettor but to someone looking at the entire system, it is just the working out of the inevitable. Through no fault of our own, we often are in the position of the bettor. It is hard, as well as counter-intuitive, to step back and see the inevitability of entire system but that is what Wolfgang and others here are asking us "bettors" to do. It makes more sense to me than hypothesising tha tthere are unseen forces in a web of which Man is a part and that Man has the ability to interpret and control them. To me, that seems to be hubris. Sourdough
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Bill D Date: 20 Sep 01 - 10:02 PM you mean my 11:11s on the clock might have had prophetic portent??? and I ignored them?...wow..... (oohhh I like that prophetic portent I may use that again!) |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Nemesis Date: 21 Sep 01 - 12:37 PM Well, I can confidently predict that most of the TV listings tonight will contain programmes that I will have "seen" before and (hey, spooky) I predict that in a few months time I'll also being watching something I've "seen" before (Or more probably, reading a good book instead!) Hille |
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Subject: RE: NOSTRADAMUS' Predictions? From: Paul from Hull Date: 21 Sep 01 - 12:56 PM Hehehehe....I didnt check Snopes Urban Legends for this, even though I've 'subscribed' to it for a year or so, but I was pretty sure someone with more knowledge or more access to information than me would be able to bebunk this nonsense. I just wonder at the mindset of those that 'create' this sort of thing...but wonder MORE at that of those that blithely post it on, whatever kind of email 'chain letter' it is.... |
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