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Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath

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MAGGIE
WHEN YOU AND I WERE YOUNG, MAGGIE


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GUEST,Bill in Alabama (at work) 13 Sep 01 - 01:47 PM
Alice 13 Sep 01 - 03:13 PM
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Subject: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama (at work)
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:47 PM

I heard a Jean Redpath version of When you and I Were Young, Maggie, for which she had written some of her own verses. I couldn't make out the words; does anybody have them?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Alice
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:13 PM

Hi, Bill, I looked at the list of songs on her website and didn't see When You And I Were Young Maggie on any of her recordings. There are alot of songs - maybe I missed it, or maybe there is another title using the same tune. There is a Maggie, and a few other songs with Maggie in the title. The URL is http://www.jeanredpath.com/Pages/individ.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:18 PM

Jean Redpath


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: breezy
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:31 PM

che ck the early fureys "i wandered today oer the hills maggie , to view the scene below..the creek and the creaking old mill maggie .. as we used to long long ago..the green grove has gone from the hills maggie..where first the daisies thronged..the creaking old mill is still maggie..since you and i were young.....verse 2.oh they say that i'm feeble with age maggie...my steps are much slower than then..my face is a well written page maggie..and time all alone was the pen..they say we have outlived our time magie..as dated as song that we've sung....but to me your as fair as you were maggie..when you and i were young. -------I've done me best but I'll stand corrected.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: breezy
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:35 PM

is that alabama usa?this was st. albans. herts eng.love will win.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN YOU AND I WERE YOUNG, MAGGIE
From: GUEST,Arjay
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:50 PM

Here are the lyrics I learned from my grandmother in the 1940's/'50's. Actually, it is a composite of those lyrics and some I have heard more recently (e.g., from The Irish Tenors). Take your pick, I guess.

Somewhere I have the authors' names, I think. I will post them if I find them.

Arjay

"I wandered today to the hill, Maggie, to watch the scene below,
The creek and the creaking old mill, Maggie,
Where we met in long, long ago.
The green grove is gone from the hill, Maggie,.
Where first the daisies sprung.
The creaking old mill is still. Maggie,
Since you and I were young.

A city so silent and gray, Maggie,
Where the young and the brave[?] and the best,
In silent white mansions of stone, Maggie,
Have all found a place of rest.
Is built where we once used to play [stray?], Maggie
[da da da da da da da da da]
[da da da da da da da da da, Maggie, since you and I were young.

They say I am feeble with age, Maggie,
My steps are much slower than then.
My face is a well written page, Maggie,
And time alone was the pen.
They say we have outlived our time , Maggie,
As dated as song that we've sung.*
But to me you're as fair as you were, Maggie,
When you and I were young.

And now we are aged and gray, Maggie,
The trials of life nearly done.
Let us sing of the days that are gone, Maggie,
When you and I were young.

*Alternate lyric:
Now we are aged and gray, Maggie,
As spray from the white breakers flung.
But to me you're as fair as you were, Maggie,
When you and I were young.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Alice
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:14 PM

The lyrics are already in the database and in other threads, (authors George W. Johnson and James Austin Butterfield).

Bill was asking about a particular version Jean Redpath may have recorded. Anyone have that one? As I said, I didn't see it listed under that title, but maybe the same melody has different lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:16 PM

Thanks for the replies; the song, which is listed just as Maggie, is on her Leaving the Land album. I have some hearing disability, and I have trouble understanding her words because of her voice range. I perform the original version listed in the digitrad--learned it from my grandfather many years ago. The album notes indicate that she had added some original verses, and I wondered if anyone had them.

Thanks, Sorcha, for the reference to the Redpath site.

Breezy--Yes, it's Alabama USA. A really fine river town on the big bend of the Tennessee. My regards to St. Albans.

Alice--I noticed on her website that she seems to be partial to songs about Maggie; Interesting.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Alice
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:27 PM

Bill, my maternal grandfather, Earl McConnell, used to sing it to my grandmother, Maggie McConnell. His gold claim near Yellowstone was called the "Maggie and Me". Bill and Allan and I drove past it when they were here on the Mudcat Adventure last year.

When I saw that title, "Maggie", on Redpath's site, I wondered if that was the one you were talking about. Sorry I didn't take the time to link that URL to here site, thanks for doing that, Sorcha.

We still need Redpath's version... Anyone have it to transcribe?

Alice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 04:58 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: IanC
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 05:12 AM

I've PM'd Jean Ritchie (Kytrad) and asked her to look in at this thread.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN YOU AND I WERE YOUNG, MAGGIE
From: Scotland the brave
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 07:21 AM

The words are:

1.
I wandered today by the hill, Maggie
To watch the scene below
The creek and the creaking old mill, Maggie
Where we used roam long ago
The green grove is gone from the hill, Maggie
Where first the daisies sprung
The creaking old mill is still, Maggie
When you and I were young

2.
A city so silent and lone, Maggie
Where the young and the gay and the best
In polished white mansions of stone, Maggie
Have each found a place of rest
Is built where the birds used to play, Maggie
And join in the songs that were sung
For we sang as gay as they, Maggie
When you and I were young

3
They say that we're feeble with age, Maggie
Our steps are less sprightly than then
Your face is a well written page, Maggie
But time, time alone was the pen
And now that we're aged and grey, Maggie
And trails of life nearly done
But to me you're as fair as you were, Maggie
When you and I were young
(or) Since you and I were young

HTML line breaks added --JoeClone, 30-Nov-01.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: GUEST,Genie
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 07:30 AM

still looking for Jean Ritchie's new verses


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 08:44 AM

uh....We got a bit sidetracked or sideways or something I think.......Bill is looking for the version by Jean REDPATH, not Jean RITCHIE.

Sorry I don't have this Bill or I'd try to transcribe it for you.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: IanC
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 10:07 AM

Oops, Ouch!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 02:20 PM

Well, even JEAN RITCHIE knows that some of those words are,...When I said I loved only you, Maggie,
And you said you loved only me...

Good luck! Jean


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:02 PM

Yeah, but Jean, you didn't tell the rest of the story. The song Redpath sings is an Irish song called "Nora" (words by Seán O'Casey - in the Digital Tradition as Maggie), which uses the tune of When You and I Were Young, Maggie. Note that "When You and I Were Young, Maggie" comes from Ontario. I humbly confess I assumed it came from the U.S.
-Joe Offer-

Click for background info in related thread


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Subject: ADD: Maggie (Redpath)^^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:17 PM

Mr. Scanner copied this from the liner notes from Jean Redpath's Leaving the Land: A Collection of Songs, Scottish and Western. This album is just about perfect. The only complaint I have is that it has only 12 cuts.
Thank you, Mr. Scanner.
-Joe Offer-


MAGGIE
(as sung by Jean Redpath)

The violets were scenting the woods, Maggie
Their perfume was soft on the breeze
When I first said loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me
The chestnut bloomed green through the glades, Maggie
A robin sang loud from a tree
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me.

A golden row of daffodils shone, Maggie
And danced with the leaves on the lea
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me
The birds in the trees sang a song, Maggie
Of happier days yet to be
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me.

I promised that I'd come again, Maggie
And happy forever we'd be
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me.
But the ocean proved wider than miles, Maggie
A distance our hearts could not foresee
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me.

Our dreams they never came true, Maggie
Our fond hopes were never meant to be
When I first said I loved only you, Maggie
And you said you loved only me.^^^

Redpath's comments:

"When you and I were young, Maggie" must surely be one of the best known of its nineteenth century nostalgic genre. The melody has the immediate appeal and comfort of an old slipper... at least to those of us who have acquired a proper appreciation of old slippers!

Maggie Clark was born on July 14, 1841 near Glenbrook Township, above Hamilton, Ontario. She was courted by George Johnson, a poetic 21-year old who had come to teach at the local school after graduating from the University of Toronto. Soon the couple were engaged but Maggie contracted tuberculosis and it was during one of her bouts of illness that George wrote the familiar text. In October 1864 they were married: Maggie died the following year. George asked a friend in Detroit, J.C. Butterfield, to set the poem to music, and an evergreen was born.

I think I picked up most of the text I use here from the singing of Maura O'Connell of De Danaan (and they quote their version as coming from the John McCormack songbook); the rest is mine.
^^^


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:22 PM

Good job Joe...and thanks from me.....I see why Bill was looking for that version. Very nice.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama (at work)
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:22 PM

Thanks to Mr. Scanner and Mr. Offer. I am much obliged.

Bill Foster


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:27 PM

wasn't there a thread on the history of this song?
the story of the original poem is just amazing.
well worth the search.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 01 - 03:35 PM

Yeah, Mr. Red - follow the links in my post to the thread that gives background information. Note that Redpath's version is her own refinement of Seán O'Casey's "Nora" lyrics. The Canadian "When You and I Were Young, Maggie," apparently came first.
I'm wondering if the versions we have in the Digital Tradition are good transcriptions of the originals, or if they need some work.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: Scotland the brave
Date: 19 Sep 01 - 11:08 AM

I see that version by Jean Redpath is really the Irsh song Nora.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Sep 01 - 08:17 PM

The original "When You and I Were Young, Maggie" dates back to the 1860s. Sean O'Casey wasn't around to write anything that predates that, I'm afraid.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 01 - 08:32 PM

Do I get to say again here that the best rendition of the original I ever heard is by Sandy Paton? If you don't want me to say it, of course I won't.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: IanC
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 07:42 AM

Chance to redeem myself. Words by George W. Johnson. Music by J.A. Butterfield. Earliest US version in Levy is 1866. Earliest recording I've found is by John McCormack (1919).

;-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When you & I were young, Maggie - Redpath
From: Scotland the brave
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 09:24 AM

I read somewhere that George Johnston wrote this song for his wife.


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