Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 05:10 PM

I am sure Gallus Moll will be able to tell us but shouldn't that be - "Nae Nukes Onywhere?" ;)

On the longevity of kitchenware my wife has and uses a cast iron frying pan that she was given by her mother when she left home to live in her first flat (That was 30 years ago), her mother got the utensil from her grandmother (40 years before) as a wedding present. That was how it originally came into the family as it in turn had been given to my wife's great-grandmother (Over 50 years before). Still they made 'em to last back then, when quality was quality.

From Gallus's monologue (Pleased to see others are doing a bit of thinking)

1: I have a friend who is a retired US submariner / pc expert so I sang him the song, told him what evidence I was seeking and we'll see what he can turn up from the various associations eg Site 1 etc. (His opinion - and I agree - is that Captain L would not have said 'goddam ' specially is it was at press conference!)

2: On Friday I am booked to trawl thro the local paper archives for 1961 -tho I am thinking that even if the editor was present, he would probably not have actually published that type of comment?

3: I read somewhere that there were about 200 at the/a press conference -- if that is true then surely someone heard something - if it was actually uttered?


If you are trying to assist Jim McLean in his search Gallus then someone hearing something, somewhere, sometime would be of no use at all would it? As that would be what they call in legal terms "hearsay evidence", and as such never admissible. Jim McLean on the other hand is searching for the following as stated in HIS post of 22 Aug 18 - 04:05 AM - It was either during the Press Conference with Captain Laning on the 3rd March or very soon after that he made the oft repeated quote that the demonstrators were ".... A goddam bunch of Eskimos " and it's definite proof of this quote I cannot find.

Good luck with your research.

US Polaris SSBNs along with their Tender and a floating dock arrived in Scotland in 1961, they provided nuclear deterrence cover for the UK from 1961 to 1968 when the Royal Navy's own Polaris SSBNs were operational based out of HMS Neptune at Faslane. The last submarine tender to be based in Scotland, the USS Simon Lake, left Holy Loch in November 1991, ahead of the base closing in June 1992. Their departure was due to a number of factors none of which had anything to do with CND or any demonstration of any kind. The US Navy arrived in Scotland with the full agreement of the UK Government and they departed of their own volition when a base such as Holy Loch was no longer required.

No "gaffin' of nyaffs"; no rammy's; no tears; in fact naebody sortit oot at a' - by the so-called Glesga Eskimos or anyone else for that matter. Personally I think that you are going to inordinate lengths to prove the Eskimo's remark to be no more than an Urban Myth.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: GUEST,Not Really Gettin Involved
Date: 11 Sep 18 - 05:35 PM

Does this site solve any probs or cause more?

TS laws Anti Polaris Guitar

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 12 Sep 18 - 04:47 PM

Thanks for this, GUEST, Not Really Getting Involved- - T.S. Law was the uncle of a much loved Primary school head teacher in Dunoon. Some I had heard / come across before, others were new to me. Alas tho Lanin' is mentioned- - no verified quotes for Jim's project, however (nearly) all the rest of us have been thoroughly enjoying revisiting a brilliant bunch of songs an many years of peace marches, not just '61. And as Jack C reminds us, there's a Faslane one in the offing!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Jim McLean
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 03:41 AM

Dear Not Really Getting Involved, the Tom Law link has been invaluable regarding the creation of the song. We have always held the belief the song was workshopped by Morris and the dates extremely helpful. If you know where I can get a copy of this book could you please email me at [e-mail] I will respect your privacy.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gutcher
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 08:41 AM

Observer--your mask has slipped a little in your first post on this page:-- "Nae Nukes Onywhere"--should read in Scots--"Nae Nukes Onywhaur"
I am being a little pedantic perhaps but people putting up a false front should mind their Ps. and Qs.
If this thread be still to the fore when I return from my travels I shall see what evidence, if any, you provide to cover this slip.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 03:02 PM

Jim - I have been in touch with Tom Law's son (re his father's uncle) - hope it is OK to give him your email?
I will send you his ----
He is having a think about what he might know / remember!
Gallus

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 13 Sep 18 - 03:05 PM

GUEST: Not Really Getting Involved - I've also told him about your
T S Law book!
Think he will be interested in it - any background info eg where /when did you obtain it? Publication details etc - - I am interested in it myself!!! Part of history -- -
Gallus

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: GUEST,Not Really Getting Involved
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 10:04 AM

Jim & Gallus Moll
I only Googled TSLaw because I didn't recognise the name and was curious.
Glad it was a useful Avenue

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: GUEST,Gallus Moll (away from home!)
Date: 14 Sep 18 - 11:07 AM

It was a brilliant link....thanks so much! I shared it with the son of TS Law's nephew. I was also pleased to discover the serious poetry he wtote ...amazing guy. I really love mudcat and what it uncovers.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 17 Oct 18 - 09:31 AM

For those interested in The Glesca Eskimos, Ding Dong Dollar etc - check The Janey Buchan Political Song Collection facebook page (and website?) for details of Ding Dong Dollar, a presentation on Wednesday 12th December 2018 at 14 University Avenue 17.15 - - you have to book a place for this free event!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Jim McLean
Date: 18 Oct 18 - 03:39 AM

GM and Not Really Getting Involved.
The notes in Tom Law's collection "Anti-Polaris Guitar" underlined that he was responsible for the Eskimo imagery and was a great help in my research.
Who's giving the lecture, is it Stewart Black or Neil McDermott?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 18 Oct 18 - 05:08 PM

Think it's Stewart Black, Jim -- but haven't been able to check back.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 18 Oct 18 - 05:13 PM

I think it's Stewart too as I am sure I would have remembered if it was Neil!!!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 06:40 PM

I am sooo annoyed! I had a long post on my phone after attending The Janey Buchan Political Song Collection: Ding Dong Dollar event -- and it vanished when I tried to post it!!! So now I canny remember what I said -- but it was a pure dead brilliant couple of hours with loadsa old folkies there (some even older than me!) and lots of interesting research,, plus a couple of great performances of Ding Dong Dollar and The Eskimo Republic.
Best of all - Jim McLean was in attendance!!!
So good to meet him in person, and hear his contribution -- people were queuing for his autograph!!
There were only two of these talks in Scotland, Edinburgh then Glasgow - - but it is going to be in USA (I think the Smithsonian - hope I didn't make that up?) at some point - don't ask me when!!
Ultimately there should be a radio programme and I think probably a book or some sort of publication - - Lot of research by Stewart Black. (hope I got that name correct -- literature is downstairs and I am up - - )
If you look on facebook and / or website of the Janey Buchan Political Song Collection Ding Dong Dollar you might find some of the photos and videos people were taking? Failing which check Pete Heywood on facebook as he took and posted loads!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 08:02 PM

Sorry to miss both: when/where was the one in Edinburgh?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The glesga eskimos
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 07:36 AM

Not sure if i remember details...probably a week or so before Gl3asgow one? Might be able to see info on The Janey Buchan Political Song Collection website and/or facebook page? He kinda whizzed thro the (powerpoint?) And i barely had time to read some of details ...!
- there were lots of people not there that might have been interested...maybe you need to 'like' the page/ get on mailing list?