Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: SDShad Date: 06 Nov 01 - 09:24 PM "Fitz" is a song I've enjoyed a lot, and found greatly entrancing at times, but I do suffer from the syndrome of having heard it just a few too many times. However, the problem I have with it is that it seems to be the only Gord song that some random yobbo at every open mike in the known universe has ever heard of (that, and maybe "Sundown"), a yobbo who feels compelled to yell out "sing Wreckadaedmundfitzgeeeeerrraaaalllld!", whenever I say "this next song is by Gordon Lightfoot now," or words to that effect, before singing "Canadian Railroad Trilogy," or "Early Morning Rain," or my personal favorite, "Ten Degrees and Getting Colder." Okay, so I don't always handle hecklers/requesters/heckling-requesters too well. I am, after all, the guy who once said "no, I sing real country" when asked to sing Garth Brooks.... Shad |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: 53 Date: 06 Nov 01 - 10:14 PM gordon is all right in my book. BOB |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: robomatic Date: 06 Nov 01 - 10:56 PM Gordon Lightfoot wrote a great song with 'The Wreck of...' but he has some godawful lyrics out there. My housemates used to torment me with 'Alberta Bound' 'Oh the Skyline of ToRONto is something you'll get ONto' 'And if you've got the MON-ey, you can get yerself a HON-ey' which is right up there with Neil Dimond's 'and no one made a sound, not even the chair' Meanwhile, try Stan Rogers 'The Flowers of Bermuda' for a good shipwreck song And I've never heard of the Capt. Torres song. Where would one be after finding a recording of that? |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: catspaw49 Date: 06 Nov 01 - 11:37 PM The true problem is the song was way overplayed. It has some wonderful or hateful qualities which tun some off and other on. Do you hear a drone or 75mph of wind in the rigging? Lots of facets to it and still, for my money, one of GL's best works. BTW, it had a very mixed effect on the surviving families too. There are probably as many opinions about this song as there are opinions as to why the Fitz went down. There are actually THREE "OFFICIAL" Reports with three different conclusions. Even after finding the wreck and diving on it, there is still no definitive answer. Perhaps none of the 29 men who lost their lives that night off Whitefish Point knew either......... Spaw |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: vlmagee Date: 07 Nov 01 - 07:34 AM Yes, Kim C, it's "waves". I suggested going to my copy of the lyrics because I had carefully proofread it, comparing it to the sheet music as well as to what he sings. I know that sometimes published sheet music is wrong, but in this case, it isn't. I used the individual single sheet music, which is still in print. The song also appears in several "anthology" songbooks. As far as the confusion over "Derry", let me add that for reasons known only to them, the Rheostatics either created or intentionally popularized the claim that Back Home In Derry was the source of the music. The Rheostatics yell out "Remember Derry" or something like that at the end of one of their versions of Wreck, and their web site actually says that Derry is the original. I have read that they retracted that statement and say it is only a joke (a joke?), but the claim remains on what I believe is their official web site. Back Home In Derry was recorded by Christie Moore, who attributes the lyrics to Sands and the music to Lightfoot. Moore's recording was released in 1984 on his "Ride On" album. Wreck, as you all know, was released in 1976. The shipwreck, by the way, was on the evening of November 10, 1975 - the 26th anniversary is just days away. |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: ollaimh Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:38 PM the melody to back home in derry is hundreds of years old and has a b part and a chorus, which are not in the wreck. lightfoot may have borrowed the main melody but it's isn't exactly a complicated or unusual one so it's just as likely he co-discovered it. there are nmany old irish and scottish ballad melodies that keep turning up. when lightfoot was young he was in a toronto irish band which did did quite a bit of traditional ballad music so maybe he got it there ., or just got the feel there, in any case it seems quite within folk tradition to me. can anyone count how many folk melodies woody guthrie borrowed, or dylan for that matter.goodnight irene has been rewritten so many times it amazes me |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: Gypsy Date: 07 Nov 01 - 11:03 PM my 2 cents are still for Gord. Remember when the actual wreck happened, cuz i was living in the area at the time. We still play the Wreck on a regular basis. Of course, we play it with no guit, just mando, banjo, hammered dulcimer, and fiddle. |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: CaptainLewis Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:38 AM As a native Minnesotan, having sailed Superior many times, I have a profound respect for that "lake"! The gales can blow up right quick and without warning. I heard of the wreck when it happened. I had a friend in Duluth who had lost his uncle on the wreck, and spent the remaining time that I knew him, getting drunk at a local bar and sailing out in storms recklessly, he was eventually lost in one. As for the melody I dimly recall a simiar song associated with an Irish or English shipwreck from the turn of the century or earlier and labelled traditional. As for the song itself, I've heard similar complaints about Stan Rogers. Pity about all that commercial success - spoils the enjoyment of good music. ;-) CLB |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 01 - 12:56 AM Hey Gypsy! When I did school programs with Hammereds, I'd tell the kids that one of them could play a duet with me right away and ther was always a big deal to see who it would be and I'd generally do it with 3 or 4 by the time it was over. I'd give them a pair of hamers and have them beat a quarter note D and G "drone" while I played the "Wreck" melody line. Always a winner. Spaw |
Subject: Latest News on Gordon Lightfoot From: vlmagee Date: 03 Feb 02 - 09:57 AM Just thought I'd write a quick note mentioning that Gord's Live In Reno video (DVD and tape) was released this past Tuesday. It's from a concert in April, 2000. I think it is a beautifully done video, and I especially enjoy watching how Gord plays; there are lots of great close-ups of both him and the band. The music is wonderful and he plays just about all the great songs (well, 22 of them). Also, I just got an update to his tour schedule this week. There are 50 dates so far for 2002 (he generally aims for 50 to 60 a year) including a tour in Eastern Canada (6 concerts) for the first time in quite a number of years. The tour ends up with 4 nights at Massey Hall in Toronto in November. The other 40 concerts are around the US. There is other news at my web site if you are interested. The web site is at gordonlightfoot.com . The direct link to the tour schedule is: here . |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: GUEST,kivatrader Date: 03 Feb 02 - 11:27 AM I grew up in the early 60's in Northwestern Washington State. We got a lot of Canadian television in those days, and from the time I became interested in folk music, I heard Lightfoot's music regularly. They still pay the soundtrack in my mind regularly. To my way of thinking, I've always believed that the songs that became true folk classics WERE the ones that people played and heard a lot, not the obscure ones listened to by groups of literati gathered around an old victrola listening to Library of Congress recordings (not that there's anything wrong with that!)Just because a song is popular and reaches a large audience, it shouldn't be relegated to the "light and fluffy" category. Lightfoot's music has always inspired me and I now play over 30 of the tunes (adequately -- not well)and they never fail to move the listener. I guess I'm a fan -- ohmygod! I also agree that the Tony Rice compilation is a must to hear. His arragements and voice are fresh and accessible and point out just how gret the writing really is. Gord is a treasure of at least two nations! |
Subject: RE: Have you not heard of Gordon Lightfoot? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:09 PM Hey robomatic ! "And I've never heard of the Capt. Torres song. Where would one be after finding a recording of that? " James Keelaghans cd "Road" His web site, http://www.keelaghan.com/ .-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: sian, west wales Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:03 PM The Canadian media seems to be interested in Lightfoot changing the lyrics From what CKTB has been saying it sounds like a very small change: "at 7 p.m. the main hatch gave in" to "caved in". Can't see that it changes the story ... sian |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: Big Mick Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:15 PM It absolutely does change the story. It has long been the contention that the crew erred, which released the owners and operators of the vessel from liability for the sinking. The evidence now seems to show that the crew acted exactly as they were supposed to, and were not at fault. Whenever I hear "pilot" or "crew" error, I am a bit suspicious, especially when this is publicized even before extensive research is done. It generally says to me that someone is trying to limit their liability. Take the example of the commuter jet that went down over Buffalo. Sure the crew was in error, but the extensive investigation showed that crews are being allowed in the cockpit who, by reason of lack of hours and training, have no business in there. And lost lives are the result. Corporate interests consider this "acceptable risk". But the families that have lost loved ones have no recourse. Bravo to Gord for making a small change that acknowledges that this crew did what they were trained to do. I hope it brings solace, at least, to the families. All the best, Mick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: Beer Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:27 PM Very well said Mick. Beer (adrien) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:29 PM What an odd mix of disdain, praise, admiration, envy, literary criticism, etc., etc., ad nauseum. I was just trying to put myself in the shoes of someone, such as a Gordon Lightfoot, who had a stellar early career and quite a measure of fame. At some point, in order to keep pace with changing tastes and commercial pressure (not unlike in writing)there is the need or, at least, the temptation to experiment with new song styles, techniques, different instruments, overlays of orchestration - real or electronic - and different backup performers. As in the old Ricky Nelson song, "Garden Party," in the end, "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." I have always admired Lightfoot's songs, among many others, but I have my favorites. The ones I tend to like are those which are evocative of mood or place, both in lyric and instrumental accompaniment, something at which he excelled. The late, great Red Shea contributed powerfully to his earlier work, most of it acoustic. With a few exceptions, those are the songs I prefer. I saw Gordon last year in San Diego. He has been much affected by the prior years of excess and the illness which nearly took him. He looks a bit gaunt. But, he is still a trouper. His voice has lost some range and smoothness and he would be the first to tell you he likely is done recording. But he put on a good show and most of his key backups are still with him, notably guitarist Terry Clements. By the way, I don't much care whether others share my admiration for Gordon or any other particular musician, but I tire of comments from some that sound like sour grapes or are simply arrogantly dismissive of someone else's music or success. Think Karma. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: Michael Harrison Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:45 PM Of those I admire, Lightfoot is near the top - long may his songs survive. harrison |
Subject: New doco on 'Edmund Fitzgerald' loss From: JennieG Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:37 PM Have just read that there is a new doco made on the sinking of the "Edmund Fitzgerald", link here . Gordon Lightfoot has changed the words when he sings the song in live performance, but recordings will stay as they are. Cheers JennieG |
Subject: RE: New doco on 'Edmund Fitzgerald' loss From: Big Mick Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:47 PM Jennie, there is already another thread on this HERE.
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Subject: RE: New doco on 'Edmund Fitzgerald' loss From: JennieG Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:04 PM Sorry Mick....I must have missed it! My brain isn't working well lately. Cheers JennieG |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: GUEST,Lightfoot Fan Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:54 PM The song is not an example of songwriting craftsmanship. It was so shoddy that explaining the examples, I don't know WHERE to begin. How many listeners are songwriters? I'm sure that Gordon knows what I'm talking about. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: Beer Date: 04 Jan 11 - 12:03 AM You don't know where to begin??????? After saying what you have just said, nor do I. So reveal yourself guest if you know or are so close to Mr Lightfoot. And yes there are many writers on this site. I say all of this in appreciation of one of Canada's premiers songwriters. But you need to explain yourself a lot more. ad. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Lightfoot From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:38 PM Here's an obituary dated August 29, 2013 from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel EDMUND B. FITZGERALD |
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