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Subject: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 13 Nov 01 - 09:48 PM i've been going to a chiropractor for about 3 months for a lower back problem, and its done me a world of good, what are your views on a chiropractor? BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:32 PM Same experience here BOB... I was taking enough pain killers to dope a horse. The headaches/migraines/neuralgia would keep comming back... Several doctors and months later, one trip to a chiropractor cured my problem, never had one since. 25 years later...I have had back and neck problems that cannot be cured by them, but they do provide expert advice on exercises and stretches that I can and do use to alleviate my symptoms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: DonMeixner Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:34 PM In my experience the prefix for the thread pretty well covers it. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:41 PM I dunno, Don. I'm about to marry a chiropractor. I didn't believe in chiropractic before I got involved with Christina, but she made a believer out of me. She started as a massage therapist, and then went to chiropractic school - her treatments are a blend of massage and chiropractic, and they take care of most of my 53-yr-old aches and pains. She doesn't claim to cure cancer or infections or heart disease, but what she does, does a lot of good. Christina doesn't believe in the quick, "back-cracking" type of chiropractic - she thinks it's too harsh and invasive. Her treatments are gentle, and I feel wonderful afterwards. But now she's trying to get me to have a better diet, and I'm having a hard time cutting back on fast food.... -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: DonMeixner Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:44 PM See Joe!!! Just like I said! Has she mention things like low sodium, wasted calories, cholesterol? |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:48 PM Yeah, Don, she wants me to stop eating all the "good stuff." Once I get married, I'm afraid I'm going to have to sneak out to eat meat - my sister makes HER husband do that. [grin] -Joe- ...I feel guilty posting to a health thread when there's TWO of them and a cooking thread going at one time, but oh, well... |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: DonMeixner Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:49 PM Sigh, |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: GUEST,BigDaddy Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:53 PM Several years ago, I had a pain in my neck that had just about incapacitated me. I kept going to my regular MD and he kept prescribing pain pills. I kept telling him I didn't want to cover up the problem. I wanted to resolve it. Finally, a friend at work suggested her chiropractor. I was ready to try anything. I went. He fixed the problem. Even better. I felt better over all than I had in quite some time. I asked him how often I should come back. He told me to return only if I needed to. That my body would let me know. I know there are some out there who claim to cure just about anything that ails you, so it's a good idea to get a good referral. Also to know that MDs as a rule, are strongly prejudiced against chiropractic. Now when it comes to medical doctors, I could really tell some scary stories from personal experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:56 PM Some of the finest and brightest people I've ever met or known in my life are chiropractors. I give them a totally enthusiastic "thumbs up"! This doesn't mean there isn't the occasional chiropractor who is incompetent...it happens...but I've had very good results with chiropractic treatment, and have had a virtually drug-free life partly because of that. The drug companies hate chiropractors. They would rather suppress and cover up your symptoms than treat the actual problem any day. These same drug companies are not merely quacks, but pushers, as far as I'm concerned, in many cases (but not in all...some drugs have been helpful in some situations...so I am not making a blanket statement there, I hasten to add). - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: kendall Date: 13 Nov 01 - 10:58 PM A serious back problem forced me to retire some years ago. It got to where I couldn't drive more than 30 miles without sciatica driving me nuts. A series of treatments with a GOOD chiropractor did the trick. I can now drive 300 miles without serious pain. The key here is GOOD. There are some quacks out there just like any other profession. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: DonMeixner Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:04 PM In my case I had a very bad chronic neck pain. I went to a chiroprator who manipulated my neck and got rid of the pain, for about one day. I called back and he said I needed an on going procedure that would take 12 visits. And it would cost $40.00 per treatment. I got the treatment and I got the treatment. The pain stayed and the money departed. No health insurance. Finally I took perscription doses of Ibuprophen for six days and the pain left never to return. The drug didn't cure it. It made it possible for me to outlast it. It took me a year to pay off the Chiropractor at a time when I had no money for food let alone medical procedures that proved in my case to be dishonest quackery. Don Joe, As a massaginist I hope she rubs you the right way. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: UB Ed Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:14 PM Jesus, Don! Horrible punishment. Chiro did work for me after a series of treatments. We discussed muscle pulls and the relation to the spine and it made sense to me. No problems sense. Good luck to ya Joe! But, red meat is good... Ed |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:21 PM Don - Sounds like you had a pretty frustrating experience there, and I sympathize. Any idea what caused the neck pain in the first place? I've also gone to 2 chiropractors that I wasn't too impressed with, and several others who were great... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Nov 01 - 11:23 PM Not a fan myself, but a good massage is another story. Gang, Father JoeBro gonna' be drinkin' that Mushroom Tea for a long time I expect. Maybe it promotes hair growth........whaddaya' think Joe? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: CarolC Date: 14 Nov 01 - 01:15 AM Dunno about the Mushroom Tea, Spaw, but I've got to say that Joe looks very young for his age, hair or not. In fact, I didn't even notice his hair or possible lack of it. I was too busy wondering what I could do to have such great skin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: GUEST,john c Date: 14 Nov 01 - 01:45 AM About 3 years ago,I stumbled across kinesiology which was developed by the chiropractor George Goodheart and combines chiropractic with elements of the traditional chinese medicine. I cant recommend it highly enough. Not only did it immensly improve my physical well-being, it also managed to rid me of the really bad stage-fright I used to suffer from. I would never have believed it if I hadnt experienced it myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:58 AM Well Carol, you could slaughter him and then start peeling it off over his head and then it could also be safely tanned without fear of melanoma. Just a thought. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: bernil Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:40 AM I've learned that chiropractic and naprapathy are developed from Osteopathy, which existed first. I've been helped by both chiropractic and naprapathy but I prefere osteopathy as it's a much more gentle treatment (usually; He has "maltreated" me a couple of times but that has done me very good too…). But osteopaths can work very different too so it's just one person I can really recommand. Almost evryone I meet here in my town have visited him and are very content! He also uses the sacrocranial therapy which is very good, and there are not so many in Sweden who use it. But it's common in GB and USA I think? As Joe sais, chiropractors can also work in different ways. Oh, I'd love to marry a chiropractor or rather an osteopath! ;-) And as I'm a vegetarian there wouldn't be so big problems with the food either, if he wanted me to eat healthy food! Joe, try Quorn, it's a great substitute to meat! ;-) It's a bit scary though to think of what might happen if you see a chiropractor who isn't so clever, who uses the violent techniques! Berit |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: paddymac Date: 14 Nov 01 - 06:43 AM Seems like there's a song out there that applies here. It might be called "I'm A Believer". |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Gypsy Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:21 AM Well, i've worked for a chiro for 5 years now. I've seen him work wonders, and he was my doc for 10 previous to me working for him. The interesting thing about alot of chiro's...they can and will recommend other therapies, such a going to a MD, etc. But MD's will rarely recommend a Chiropractor. Hmmmm..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Nov 01 - 12:51 PM Ah, well, MD's are gods aren't they? :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 14 Nov 01 - 03:05 PM Beware! Screed alert! Here followeth a lengthy rant:-- Go to google.com, type in "chiropractic," and you will come up with a whole list of website's on the subject, both pro and con. I can't really say that either of the viewpoints expressed in these websites is all that revealing or convincing. So much for accurate information in cyberspace. I've had a little experience with chiropractic. I contracted polio when I was two years old. Back then, they called it "infantile paralysis," although it wasn't only infants who got it. It paralyzed my right leg, partially paralyzed my left leg, and left me with a scoliosis (spinal curvature). All my life, I walked with aluminum forearm crutches and a brace on my right leg. I have had a rich, full life. During the late Fifties and Sixties I made my living singing folk songs (clubs and coffeehouses, concerts, and television) and teaching guitar. When Rock swamped the "folk music revival" and the coffeehouses began closing, I continued singing—for enjoyment, not necessarily for money (but if offered, I'll take it)—while working in various jobs including radio announcer/newscaster. Short of mountain climbing and running marathons (not very high on my list of ambitions), there wasn't very much I couldn't do. It took a fall and a broken leg (my "good" leg) almost twelve years ago to put me in a wheelchair. Keeping the door open for the possibility of that rich, full life I owe to my parents. Particularly my father. He was a chiropractor. Through my childhood and early teen years, my parents took me to a number of physical therapists and orthopedic physicians. In the beginning, I was too young to know what was going on. My father learned early on that he was the one who had to take charge of my rehabilitation if I were to avoid being severely handicapped. He learned very quickly that he had to protect me—from orthopedic surgeons! Physical therapists helped me quite a bit. My basic health was good, my upper body was strong, and due to fairly constant exercises, especially swimming, my leg muscles regained what function it was possible for them to regain. Although it was still far from normal, my left leg improved enough for me to discard the left leg brace. In my later teens and early twenties, I swam at least once a week and fenced two or three evenings a week (regular fencing—I didn't have much mobility, but I was a pretty fair swordsman, nonetheless). For a guy who walked with crutches—or even for a guy who didn't walk with crutches—I was in pretty good shape. Orthopedic physicians had little to offer except operations. They talked about severing the muscles in my ankles and fusing the joints (Why!??). They also wanted to attempt experimental muscle transplants. Through his chiropractic education (Palmer School of Chiropractic), Dad had a thorough knowledge of physiology, especially bones, muscles, and nerves. He saw little or no sense in these operations. He refused to allow them. "They call it the 'practice of medicine,'" he once said to me. "Well, I'm not going to let them 'practice' on you." I was exceptionally fortunate that Dad protected me from this. These operations were performed on many people who'd had polio. I was soon to learn that not only were they less than successful, they often left the person in worse condition than before. Some operations, especially joint fusing, resulted in no benefit whatsoever and usually left the person in chronic pain. My father has been gone for many years and I miss him very much—for many reasons. Scoliosis notwithstanding, he kept my spine in good shape. I didn't realize how lucky I was. It took a bit of searching to find other chiropractors who could do the same (there are a number of different schools and techniques of chiropractic, so you can't judge by just one or two incidents). The scoliosis could give me trouble if left unattended, but fortunately, I found an excellent young chiropractor who takes care of it for me. I have been examined recently by orthopedic physicians. They want to operate on my back and fuse the vertebrae. I know a few people who have had this operation done. They are constantly swallowing painkillers and living in a half-doped state. My chiropractor charges $40 per adjustment. My insurance company pays eighty percent of this. Considering that the insurance company paid an orthopedic surgeon somewhere between $25,000 and $30,000 to repair my broken leg (not counting hospital fees), I'd hate to speculate on what a spinal fusion operation might cost. Operate on my back? No bloody thank you!! I'll stick with my chiropractor. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 14 Nov 01 - 08:56 PM Bob started this thread just before retiring last evening and didn't get back to it til moments ago. We have both enjoyed reading what you've all shared. I had visited a chiropractor in CA when I stayed with my sister for 10 weeks back in '95. Dr. Riffey was great! When I came back to SC the first Chiropractor I went to see really scared me with his methods. (The violent style). When Bob started seeing the Dr. he has now, it only took being there for his initial consultation with him for me to know I was going to like him. I was right. The treatments and therapy have helped us both. But it is extremely important to get someone you can trust and whose style you feel comfortable with. Thanks for sharing. Glenda
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Bev and Jerry Date: 14 Nov 01 - 11:56 PM Jerry developed a major league back problem about two and a half years ago. It manifests itself as pain in his legs. In less than two months from the onset of symptoms he could barely walk. The family doc ran some tests including an MRI and then referred him to a neurosurgeon. The next available appointment was 90 days away and he has the only game in this area. Rather than suffer for 90 days, Jerry called a chiropracter that Bev had seen previously. He read the radiologist's report on the MRI to the chiropracter over the phone and asked if he could help. The answer was, "I can't help you but I can show you how to help yourself". Jerry saw the chiropracter three times and has continued doing the prescribed exercises.
At the end of 90 days he went to the neurosurgeon virtually without symptoms. The neurosurgeon told him that if it had not been for the 90 day delay, Jerry would have had back surgery but, at this point, no surgery was indicated unless the symptoms return.
Jerry then asked the neurosurgeon if he should see the chiropracter again and was told that chiropracters don't know anything and that he should see a physical therapist. When he asked what a physical therapist would do for him, the answer was that he would show Jerry some exercises that would relieve his symptome!
The moral of this story is that some chiropracters are good and some aren't but most MDs think they're all bad. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Amos Date: 15 Nov 01 - 12:08 AM I just had a rapid recovery from a persistant, debilitating lower back pain. Any time I did certain kind sof physical labor it would kick in and I 'd be limping around like a broken fart. Finally it got so bad I went to a chiro. His first treatment reduced the pain level by about 50-60%. After the second treatment it went down to a twinge. After the third it was effectively completely gone. He knew exactly what he was doing, went for the precise action he needed to get and got exactly the result I needed. I frankly don't care what the AMA tells doctors to think. Those who can think for themselves will do so. A competent chiro is worth his weight in gold -- ESPECIALLY when the alternative is surgical intervention, which in may cases is ridiculous. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 15 Nov 01 - 04:51 AM I've been seeing an Osteopath, who has really sorted out my back problem, still little twinges, but that's something only execise can sort out now and strengthen my back again. He also found that my neck vertebrae were severly out of line, and had been for a long time... Which was probably due to my toboganning accident in Early January (don't ask... but I'm never sledging on a heavy duty farm feed plastic bag again) and I had been suffering from continuous severe headaches, which was apparantly due to my neck bones pressing on nerves. The relief when he manipulated my neck back in was beyond words! I can recommend that too, but make sure they are accredited. The treatment generally starts with a chat to find out whats what, then a massage on the offending area, followed by the manipulation. The back problem happened as a result of falling down the stairs after the sledging incident, in both cases I hadn't realised exactly how much damage I had really done. The sledging one just looked like a nasty bruise, so I reckon I was damned lucky I didn't break my neck, I landed on my head and shoulder and my whole vertebrae had a hard impact and jolt all the way down... So, don't go sledging, or if you do, wear a helmet! Ella
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:17 AM My objection here is much like it was on the acupunture thread. I tried 4 different chiropractors to relieve a lower back "problem." I spent a ton of money, got some pain relief for awhile, but not a one of them ever diagnosed the actual problem which all the manipulation in the world wasn't going to fix. And not all MD's are gung-ho surgeons either. The orthopedic doc I went to tried several approaches and said up front that surgery was a last resort. Back surgery is always a risk. After having the surgery, I've been without pain for almost 15 years. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Steve Latimer Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:30 AM As a former (and I do mean former) pretty high level athlete, my body was never a problem and I couldn't understand people developing back problems. The only exercise that I get now is getting up from my desk to go for a coffee or a bathroom break. Yes, I got fat, infexible etc. One day it happened, serious low back pain. I went to the MD, was prescribed muscle relaxants and it went away. However, it did come back several times. I had always thought of Chiros as quacks. Finally I got sick of taking the drugs and skeptically tried a Chiropractor. She has done me a world of good. I know that if I lost weight, did some stretching etc. that I could stop going to her entirely, but until that happens I'll continue to go for my weekly adjustment. I have been pleasantly surprised at how effective her treatments have been. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 15 Nov 01 - 08:48 AM Steve That's exactly why I went, I got fed up of my doc just masking the cause by giving me painkillers, and nothing else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 15 Nov 01 - 09:16 AM You folks are all saying the same thing MD's are bad but I have yet to hear about a chiropractor that has cured anyone! I've see a lot of doctors who've cured a lot of problems! Everyone who has gone to one and liked it keeps going back for years!
1 out of 1000 who go to a chiropractor suffer severe strokes. Thats a fact!
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:20 AM Raptor... I never said they were bad... I happen to think they have more time to focus on you, more time to focus on the problem, and are usually (if you take time to check their credations) fully qualified. Having been at University (Medical) and have done 4 years or more in it. In the uk, our Doctors surgeries have a quick turnaround, and there fore they usually like to see you as quick as possible! (Though of course they don't kick you out). And yes, the doctors have a vast amount of general medical knowledge, but mine regularly admits to me, she doesn't have ENOUGH specialist knowledge in that area. Anyways, I was on about an Osteopath, mine is fully accredited, been to University to do it for the full 5 years, and is very good. And really knows what he's on about. Yes perhaps the unscrupulous people out there can call themselves a chiropractor, but then it's up to the individual to check them out. Ella |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Steve in Idaho Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:41 AM The problem with a good back cracker is they add other things on - like personal responsibility, a sensible diet (yuck), regular cardio-vascular exercise (oh crappola), and regular visits to my MD. He helped me with a neck that had been problematic for years, a back that needs me to exercise and stretch, and a diet that I will always struggle with. It has been many years since I last saw my chiropractor but he was the turning point in my physical recovery. Between him, my doc, and myself I think I'll make it through the rest of my time! :-) Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:42 AM 1 out of 1000 who go to a chiropractor suffer severe strokes. Thats a fact! says Raptor. 'Slightly' off the mark. The one serious number I know is roughly 1.5 strokes and other injuries per 1,000,000 cervical spine manipulations cited in the 1996 Rand report. In case you want to read something that is both sympathetic and critical read S. Homola, Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's guide, Prometheus , 1999. Homola has worked as a chiropractic for over forty years but is highly critical of his peers' sweeping claims to be able to treat a broad variety of ailments. In a recent article, he writes: Obviously, many people with back pain are going to chiropractors, and most of them are satisfied with the care they receive....generally accepted that spinal manipulation can relieve some types of back pain....A good chiropractic can do a lot of help when you have mechanical-type back pain and other musculoskeletal problems. But until the chiropractic profession cleans up its act..you'll have to exercise caution and informed judgement wehn seeking chiropractic care. My advice is the same I give for traditional doctors. If you meet one who doesn't know his or her limitations and makes broad claims based on exotic theories, run for your health or even life. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:47 AM Unclosed italics. The last paragraph is no citation, but my personal statement. Wolfgangt |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 15 Nov 01 - 11:50 AM Wolfgang I've always been slightly off the mark. Raptor |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 01 - 12:32 PM Raptor, in most states chiropractors have to pass a state exam before they can get a license to practice. Sure, anybody can call themselves a chiropractor. Anybody can call themselves a medical doctor, a plumber, a teacher, or a folk singer, but that doesn't mean that all MDs, plumbers, teacher, and folk singers are not what they say they are. (I wonder what the requirements for a folk singers license might be. . . .) And as for the statistic about the supposed relationship between cervical adjustments and strokes, even if that were true, take a look at the percentages of possible adverse side-effects of almost all prescription drugs. Or over-the-counter drugs for that matter. And how many people have picked up staph and other infections just by spending a day or two in a hospital? I can't think of any kind of health practitioner it is safer to go to than a chiropractor. Since my father was a chiropractor, believe me, I've heard it all. People who know nothing about chiropractic and have certainly never been to a chiropractor asking me how many ribs my father has broken while giving adjustments (none) or how many backs he has broken (never) and all manner of remarks displaying their ignorance and closed-mindedness. After all this, I have damned little patience with off-the-hip comments based on no knowledge whatsoever. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 15 Nov 01 - 01:43 PM I'm sorry for my ignoriance and closedmindedness and my lack of knowledge whatsoever!
Snake oil salesmen made a good living for a while because of ignoriance!
Did your father put " Never cracked a rib" on his business cards?
If you think License = Qualification check the auto wreckers yard.
By the way my father is a pathologist. He went back to school for 6 years after becoming a MD to do that. And that is where I get My ignoriance. Raptor |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Wyrd Sister Date: 15 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM Crawl in, walk out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:11 PM I'm sorry you are so closed-minded about chiropractic, Raptor, but I've met it before and I've heard it all before. My father took six years at Palmer (this was in the Twenties, when you could get an MD degree in about three years or less), and every few years after that he took new courses. Nor was that the total of his education. On a number of occasions I've seen MDs enter a conversation with my father with a sort of contemptuous sneer, only to wind up wide-eyed and amazed at how much he knew about their profession when they knew so little about his. At least one MD started coming to him for regular adjustments. Chronic lower back pain for years. After Dad started fracturing his vertebrae and splintering his ribs for him, he got over it. Took about four months of weekly adjustments, but then he'd had back pain for years. It took a bit to get his lumbar vertebrae to stay where they were supposed to. I could go on for hours, because I was there, but I don't want to bore you. As Wyrd Sister says, "Crawl in, walk out!" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 01 - 05:18 PM Incidentally, the MD who was coming to my father for chiropractic adjustments? He begged my father, "Please don't tell my colleagues." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Gypsy Date: 15 Nov 01 - 06:27 PM Also, Chiropractors are required (at least in CA) to have continuing education on a YEARLY basis...or lose thier liscense. MD's don't have to do that. Sorry you are so bitter, Raptor. There are the 50% of Chiropractors who graduated in the lower half of thier class, but that is true of MD's as well. You just gotta pick and chose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 16 Nov 01 - 04:58 AM i'm going to one today to have my bones adjusted, i think they are the greatest thing since rolled shitting paper and or either white bread. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: sophocleese Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:23 AM Well I head off for a second visit to a chiropractor this morning. After 1 and 1/2 years of persistent low-grade back pain I went to my doctor. She wrote me a prescription to see a chiropractor and then wrote down three different names that she recommended. Now my doctor is a woman my age, mid thirties, practising in a town where there aren't that many doctors who knows that I do not like merely taking drugs for a problem. On Monday I went for my first appoinrment. The chiropractor talked with me and looked at my back. Judging from some of the comments made earlier I guess she's on the more intrusive end of the scale but after stiffness on Tuesday I felt far freer on Wednesday. I'm working on the stretches she showed me and hopng for the best. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 16 Nov 01 - 08:42 AM Since you think I'm so closed minded and Ignoriant and have no knowledge whatsoever because I don't agree with you, Can we agree to disagree?
By the way I don't believe in Faries, unicorns, or Leppricons either, as many people do. Does that make me a bad man? Raptor |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:39 PM No, just a closed-minded one. And a lousy speller. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:51 PM Hmm, that Raptor doesn't believe in fairies etc makes him/her a lousy speller? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 16 Nov 01 - 12:55 PM O.K. ENOUGHS ENOUGH. YOU CAN INSULT MY FATHER'S LIFE WORK BY SAYING THAT CHIROPTARTORS HAVE ANY RESEMBLANCE TO MEDICINE, AND THEN CALL ME IGNORANT. YOU CAN CALL ME UNEDUCATED FOR NOT AGREEING WITH YOUR DELUSIONS OF REALITY. YOU CAN EVEN CALL ME CLOSEMINDED!!
BUT DON'T PICK ON MY SPELLING. I ALREADY ADMITTED TO NOT BIENG GOOD AT IT. Raptor |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:22 PM Raptor, Enough is never enough! Not in North America. This is the consumer society, you poor naive fool... To answer your last post... CHIROPTARTORS RESEMBLE MEDICINE. YOU ARE IGNORANT. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED FOR NOT DISAGREEING WITH MY DELUSIONS OF REALITY. YOU ARE CLOSEMINDED. AND...YOU LIKE BIRDS! Your spelling, however, is of a standard seldom seen and I should think you must be quite proud of it. It indicates a mind that is capable of thinking in entirely new and innovative ways, rather than just going along with the crowd. Can you teach me how to do that? BTW, what do you think of my idea of having the "Survivor" show take place in Afghanistan? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:31 PM Sorry about your spelling. . . . And please don't shout. I'm not the one who implied that your father was a snake-oil salesman. You may be a bright, intelligent person as many of your posts on other threads attest, but on the matter of chiropractic, you don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourself or give it up. I know what I know, I've heard all of this before, I've said what I have to say, and this is that last I'm going to post on this. I have better things to do with my time than to rehash old arguments with someone whose mind is already made up. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Nov 01 - 01:58 PM Don, you are trying to wrestle with a jellyfish...a hopeless proposition! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Raptor Date: 16 Nov 01 - 02:23 PM Don My mind is never made up. Although I do have a few conserns with them the truth is I know that chiropractors have helped a lot of people! I do believe that! The proof is in the posts above by all those people. I'm sure your dad is briliant, And I glad he helped you in your peticular case! Although we've disagreed you have keep your posts to a mature and factual nature and I truly respect you. If I got your goat I'm sorry I was just having fun. Forgive me for acting like an Idiot.
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Nov 01 - 04:34 PM Yeah, yeah...I know where you live too. Whaddya want from me? I don't lie awake at night fantasizing about Bulgarian toads. I have a deep respect for people who put their shoes on one at a time, and I genuflect whenever in the presence of people who can explain relativity without getting snotty about it. So where does that leave you? Have a coke and a smile and go blow your harmonica. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 01 - 07:16 PM Raptor, sorry I got steamed. All my life I've heard people attack my father despite all the good he has done for friends and patients alike. As I'm sure you can understand, it's kind of a delicate subject for me. Once you really understand it, I think you'd see that chiropractic is pretty straightforward and logical. I'm going to be tied up for the next few days, but if you're interested, I can write up a brief on the principles of chiropractic and what chiroprators really do, and PM it to you. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 16 Nov 01 - 07:34 PM my visit went great today i got my bones cracked and my spine rolled , so now i'm ready for another round. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Gypsy Date: 16 Nov 01 - 11:26 PM Sophocleese, many kudo's to your MD who gave you a PRESCRIPTION to see a DC. Man, i could give that person a medal! If i seem overly exuberant, chalk it up to years of listening to sneers come our offices way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: GUEST Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:56 AM Many of my friends and their friends are doctors.
Recently, a chap, whose company was embroiled in an international scandal because of poor craftsmanship by outside "contractors" told a TRUE but, horrific tale. Made very short...it goes like this:
A man who had been seeing a back-specialist became frustrated with his own individual "lack of progress." He went to a chiropractor and acheived immediate relief and satisfaction. He continued with the chiropractor through multiple visits and abandoned his back-specialist.........UNTIL.......the chiroprator "made an adjustment" which shot one of his spinal disks out from his vertibae like a pumpkin seed in the hands of child. The chiroprator confided to the patient that he was "now beyond the abilities of the "chiropractic science." |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Don Firth Date: 17 Nov 01 - 02:36 AM GUEST,I afraid that story has to be apocryphal. The way the disks are attached to the vertebrae above and below, that's physiologically impossible. Sounds like stuff I've heard before. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Kaleea Date: 17 Nov 01 - 03:59 AM I once worked for a Chiropractor in the Twin Cities, a terrific guy & good at manipulation of the spine & other bones. My doctor, however, is an Osteopath! While it is normally quite difficult for me to put my faith & trust in any sort of doctor, I have come to trust him with my life, literally. He can manipulate my back & give me groovy drugs, too! Well, uh, that is, umm, he can treat my illnesses as well as crunch my back--One Stop Shopping at its finest! An Osteopath brought me into this world, and I figure an Osteopath might as well see me the rest of the way through. But, that is just my opinion for myself, and each of us must decide what is best for one's self. I am very fortunate to have medical insurance which provides me with medical services when I need them, something that every human ought to have. Now, if we all decide to be citizens of Canada, or England, we would all have that privilege, but hey, that's another subject! |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: GUEST Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:10 PM Don I would read it with an open mind. Little Hawk Turd I put my shoes on my ears! Raptor |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Nov 01 - 04:52 PM Raptor - Ah. I see. I wondered where you got those cauliflower ears, cos I know you don't box or do professional wrestling. Now I understand. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 17 Nov 01 - 07:35 PM THEY MAKE YOUR BACK FEEL SO GOOD, WHEN THEY USE THE ROLLER TABLE AND THOSE ROLLERS JUST RE POSITION YOUR SPINE AND YOU FEEL LIKE A MEW PERSON. BOB |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:12 PM Is it anything like Roller Derby then? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: chiropractors From: 53 Date: 17 Nov 01 - 11:15 PM no you lay on a table on your back and this machime has rollers in it and they roll up and down your spine adjusting the spine as it goes, and it also has heat , boy does it feel great. BOB |