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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,misophist Date: 11 Feb 02 - 05:04 PM 200 well broken now. Everybody happy? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Feb 02 - 05:07 PM "No One Wins a Flame War" bollox! the flamers do! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 11 Feb 02 - 05:08 PM Dear Max, I'm sorry that I didn't read all the thread but this is an answer to you. I am a guest now because I am at work. I have a regular "from" at home that automatically shows up when I post from there, but that is seldom. I think several people have this same situation. I have donated money and bought items from Mudcat. I love it when a new thread offers new items to buy. I am in the music world as an organizer and I think Mudcat is a wonderful site. Perhaps the open letter would have been more positive if you had asked "Guest" sign ons to send in a donation evertime they reply to a thread (just an idea). I really love Mudcat and it is an important forum for musicians and all us outsiders. Thanks for having us. From: Just Amy, because my last name is too hard to spell and pronounce. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 02 - 05:23 PM Perhaps the open letter would have been more positive if you had asked "Guest" sign ons to send in a donation evertime they reply to a thread Amy, I hope you're not quite as stupid as your idea... Jeez |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: RichM Date: 11 Feb 02 - 05:36 PM |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:18 PM Well, it looks like our unnamed Guest has gotten everything he could hope for--lots of Mudcatters responding to his nagging and sniping. You log onto this thread first thing, right, GUEST, just to get the gratification of all of our responses? I'd guess that for you, this is as close to sexual gratification as you'll get as long as you're addicted to hanging around the virtual corners of the Mudcat Cafe, pouncing on posters whenever you feel like it. I doubt there are very many "GUESTS" of your ilk, quite possibly just you, but you've discovered how to push this large group of people toward critical mass and would love to see if you can push it over the edge. I have enjoyed most of the other GUEST posts on threads at Mudcat, and don't want to see contributors offended because they choose to remain anonymous. Obnoxious GUEST, I'm sure you'll have something particularly snide to say in response. You're so predictable that it's a sad, sad thing. Go get professional help. Meanwhile, this thread has gotten too long. I'm outta here for a few days. Max, it's your operation, your energy, and as someone has said, it's your party. Anyone who thinks a democracy is run all out in the open and that everyone's vote counts equally is wearing blinders. For a privately run list this has been remarkably open. Do your best to keep it that way. SRS |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,No One Wins a Flame War Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:20 PM I've now posted some excerpts from the wonderful Internet Tips & Secrets website about moderation of website message boards to the Open Letter from GUESTS to Max thread. I hope some of you will take the time to read it, and share comments, feelings, and ideas there (this thread is getting a bit cumbersome for those without high speed access) that could lead to some lasting solutions to Mudcat's problems which could be implemented for the good of all. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: artbrooks Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:20 PM A basic rule of dealing with people, at any level, is "praise in public, criticize in private". Suggestions to members regarding changing their behavior is most appropriately done in a Private Message. Max started this thread as a letter to our Guests, so I guess its OK to feed them here. I'm pleased to see that their typical reaction has gotten Mudcat a couple of new members. Keep it up, guys...you're only helping us and hurting yourselves. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,No One Wins a Flame War Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:28 PM I don't know if Mudcat is gaining more people than it is losing in these flame wars or not, artbrooks. Could the problems here be more complex than a couple of bad apple guests? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: M.Ted Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:29 PM It doesn't register with a lot of people that, far from being a discorporate entity in cyberspace, the Mudcat forum and all of its associated stuff reside on a group of servers (most of us even know their names) that exist in Max's living quarters--when he had his business, they the overhead was covered---basically, it was donated by Max, and he called the shots(or such shots as there were)--now, with new funders, Max won't call all the shots--the funders will expect that the forum addresses their goals-- I don't see many funders having tolerance for any of the flaming, the abuse, or even the flatulence jokes--furthermore, I don't see many funders allowing much room for the random clowning, joking, and non-music threads--Indignant GUESTS, particularly the Max Attackers don't seem to realize that the antics and rantings(not just theirs) could have been cleaned out long ago, had he wanted to do it, if he had wanted to censor, he could have done it at any time, and there would be no trace of any of the controversial posts-- The free speech, fair and impartial discussion doesn't really matter--there is no free lunch, and Max isn't picking up the tab any more--for better or worse, the forum will change to meet the expectations of the new funders-- |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,No One Wins a Flame War Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:35 PM Actually MTed, many of the cyberspace websites like Mudcat are done as home businesses out of someone's house, or as a passionate hobby. I don't think Mudcat is too unusual in that regard. A visit to the Internet Tips & Secrets for Message Boards here: http://www.internet-tips.net/Msgboards/index.htm offers lots of good ideas. If Mudcat is on the verge of change, being proactive and positive could mean that the changes will not only be for the good of all, but could also make Mudcat better than it has ever been, couldn't it?
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:40 PM "(this thread is getting a bit cumbersome for those without high speed access)" Turn off yer images, and the text only will load faster... .-) |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Rollo Date: 11 Feb 02 - 06:43 PM Leave it alone folks. We all know there is just ONE bastard pos(t)ing as the OH SO HURT guest, don't we? We have told Max how glad we are to be invited to this wonderful site, we have also pointed out the flaws and merits of his decision, and there is no discussion about it as Max pointed out. We only give more ammunition to this little creep who probably masturbates everytime he gets another angry reply to his upsetting statements. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Gareth Date: 11 Feb 02 - 07:14 PM Dear Max, and MudElves, A number of European based Catters had a very good meet/sing along/instrument session/ p*** *p at Stoney Stratford this week end. Some practicle decisions were made as to how we could channel support into the Mudcat to ensure its continued succes and continueation. If you want the rough minutes of what was decided, and how, please PM me with your E Mail address, as there are still a few rough corners to smooth out before we go fully public We were not aware of the threads starting with Max's open letter - and I doubt that they would have made any difference to the decisions, or consensus. Firstly the overall consensus was that if we wanted the Mudcat to continue it was up to Catters to put something back. It was not just that Max and a handful of others continue to subsidise the research, information, and (speaking personally) the hours of entertainment that the Mudcat has given us. Secondly. that any fundraising activities were to be open and accountable, and audited. Why was this a key factor ? Simple, there are enough flamers, trolls and lurkers out there who would have great pleasure, as "Anon Guest", in accusiung anybody handeling cash, in fiddelling, self importance etc. Whilst years, wearing other political hats, have inured me to such accusations, others may not be so thick skined, and I have no intention of exposing others to such hurts or accusations, without a means of defence. Thirdly there was no mention of any attempt to equate financial contribution with control, and speaking again personally I will not be a party to that. It's Max's site, his forum, and he has a right to demand certain minimum standards. It is a pity that some guests, and members have abused that. Perhaps I am sometimes guilty of breaches of politness and netiquete. If so I deserve any PM's I receive, or more public, but polite admonitions. I do not know what Max has in mind, I wonder if at this specific moment wether his own mind is confident on which route to take ? But it's simple - If Max gets it right the 'Cat and the Dt will survive and grow - If he gets it wrong then the 'Cat will follow the Dodo. But I am afraid that the present situation can not continue - Guest status, and I suspect that part of this is Members logging out and reposting as "Anon Guest" - is being abused. And speaking "ethnically" if theres one thing that units 'Catters, or us Welsh, its an attack on one - Try this song, and think about it. Humbly Gareth
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Lepus Rex Date: 11 Feb 02 - 09:06 PM I like these proposed changes. Good for the Mudcat, good for all those decent GUESTS, who currently have to wear a label that has been tainted by the actions of a few anonymous dickweeds. So... Yeah, again, I like. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Gloredhel Date: 11 Feb 02 - 09:32 PM Max, you've created a good place. Do what is necessary to keep it here. Much Love, Colleen |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,Oulmole Date: 11 Feb 02 - 10:35 PM Jaysus. Such an uproar. This is all so terribly sad.
I've only visited the 'Cat in the last year or so; and (timidly) posted to the forum only quite recently. But I've liked this place and learned from it, and value it highly. I sure hope it doesn't go smash with all of this. Well, Economic Democracy or no, I guess there still ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Guess us Guests gotta join or go away. Can't argue with it. Damn shame when the few spoil things for the many. It's true that many Guests are well-meaning and make good contributions. --Joe in Connecticut
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Amergin Date: 12 Feb 02 - 01:01 AM yes guest it is very true that most are...but unfortunately the ones who aren't have the loudest voices...i disagree with the idea of making a fence and requiring folks to join....but then it ain't my board.... there have been a few times where i have posted as guest...mainly to ask questions for advice...cause my anxiety would not let me ask and be known.....
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: The Shambles Date: 12 Feb 02 - 03:06 AM Jeri said: Of course, it would have been better if we'd all just learned to ignore the silly trolls instead of needing to be protected from them. Too much to ask for, though.
Is it really?.........
Max did not want a part 2 to his thread and he also indicated there that a letter from Max to members was on the way.
Perhaps we members should wait until that thread comes along and read what he as to say, we could then possibly have as many parts to that one as we wished?
And even those with slower PC could read it all? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Dani Date: 12 Feb 02 - 03:57 AM I am so saddened by all of this. I've tried to ignore the crap that has exploded onto the scene slowly and inexorably, but it's getting harder and harder. When a gathering is taken over by people with no manners, and with only their own selfish entertainment at heart, and only their base needs to fulfill greedily, it's time to go home. I saw a good analogy up there somewhere about a storefront: good point. I used to recommend Mudcat often to musician friends. No more. How would they find anything of worth? Why would they bother to try? One waits for one's host to clear the room, or call the police, but eventually, you head out the door and hope to meet up with some of the people you enjoyed at another time and place. I have no lofty illusions about my own value to the community of Mudcat, but grew to love it, and many of you, and felt at home. But now I just feel uncomfortable, and wanting to move on. Doesn't this sound like one of those Dear John postings we've seen over time? As in, "please beg me to come back"? You know that's not what I mean. Just want you to know that here's one person who mostly doesn't bother to come around anymore. Max, I hope you have the will to clean house. You know I'll do anything in my power to help and support the effort. Dani |
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Subject: A quote to add... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 12 Feb 02 - 04:19 AM Added by request, so the Mods can delete the thinly veiled part 2
Subject: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? I wanted to post to the thread, "Open Letter from Max to GUESTS", but I can't get the whole thread loaded - maybe because bandwidth of my connection is measured in one dimension, or it's a Mac problem. (PC'rs commence gloating) Anyway, I've crashed my browser too many times to try further. If ANY Mudcatter wants to copy this post to the end of the open-letter thread, I grant my proxy to do so and show my handle on it. I can't access much of the "Open Letter" thread, but I think the size it has amassed in less than two days time is a testament to support from serious and well-mannered Mudcat users and >supporters< Now, what the all-fired heck GOOD are guests anyway? I say if >>anything<< they do jeapoardizes Max's funding, build the fence, shut - nay SLAM the gate - and what on earth is lost? I only discovered the 'Cat a couple of months ago, and haven't seen much flaming, and I know I am naive about internet security, but WHY does anyone with a sincere musical interest or question even WANT to post without becoming a member, or with any more anonymity than a screen name provides? What is the paranoia fueled by?? Enlighten me, I beseech you all! I could only read the first 30 or so messages out of 218 posted at that time to the "Open Letter" thread, but some member who posted that early in the thread did express the opinion that something would be lost from discussions if anonymous guests could not post. I think I saw a "GUEST" imply that there would be fewer lyrics requests from his or her point of origin. OK, folks I'm serious - guests and members alike, *please* explain what the advantage is, to the entire Mudcat community and/or to the posting party, in allowing completely anonymous postings?? It takes minimal time to join. What HARM can Max or Mudcat or nameless big-brother security programs do, that causes such fear to parties who wish to post, that they will only post if they can keep their identities secret from Max and his volunteers?? And GUESTS, read on. When I joined, I elected to allow members access to my email address - yet that address is not shown anywhere on the site. After the prompt action I got from Jeff sending a calendar and posting my picture, I seriously doubt my email is missing by his oversight or backlog of work; it is not there because I have not specifically asked him to list it - so he didn't list it without my express request to do so. Now, I just resubmitted the membership form, requesting that my email NOT be available to members. >>> So GUESTS, or fellow members, can you please demonstrate my vulnerability by sending me a message to my email address, consisting of the word "gotcha" and stating the time and date shown as the posting time of this thread post? If you can prove to me that you can locate me, and you are not a Mudcat staff volunteer, I will concede that you might share similar vulnerability - but I still want to know what difference it would make to (the collective) you, and what you're so scared of. Are you in a witness protection program? Are you a tax protestor? Shock me! Tell me your horror stories, explain why you must remain anonymous if your only criticisms would be constructive ones. Justify yourselves, I double-dog dare you. Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? I am not going to get into this discussion with you I just thought I would tell you I tryed to get into 'letter from Max' also and couldn't do it, but I went to the thread 'guest to Max' and there was a thread link on about fourth post and I got into the entire thread, Rustic Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? This is the only thing I am going to say on this subject, here or anywhere else. What I have to say is not directed at you, technission, or any person in particular. It's just my general contribution to the subject in question, and I have chosen to put it here. This whole hullabaloo is not about GUESTS, or members. None of it is. It's entirely about people. All of it. Just people. That's all. Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? Almost, Carol, almost. It is about people who choose to be assholes. It is about people who choose not ignore assholes. It is about people who think responding to assholes is fun. Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? I agree with you Sorcha. Now, if all of these different kinds of people could remember that we are all still people, maybe we could get someplace. Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? Yup, and Mudcat would win. I guess I should suggest this elsewhere, but what about a required, valid e mail addy for any Guest? That way, we could send an answer for requests and Max and the Elves/Clones would know where the Flaming Troll lives......... Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? I believe the consensus here (and if it is I agree) is that a genuine troll is best ignored, not to give 'em the satisfaction of a debate etc.- they're not worth the keystrokes! My primary concern is that as a newbie I could be overlooking some legitimate value to a serious/polite but anonymous post, and if there is a good reason for nurturing those I'm seeking that explanation to fill in my missing clues....Also it seemed from Max's Open Letter that some potential site funding might be withdrawn because of frivolously vicious posting or something...? Rustic, thanks for the tip, maybe I can fill in some gaps to satisfy my curiosity. Hey CarolC, not trying to tease you into saying anything further, just want to say re: your 02/12/12:28, that wouldn't offend me even if it was directed at me, and re: your 02/12/12:35 I think you nailed the basic human stupidity there that keeps us from giving peace a chance! But since I'm a glass-half-full kinda person I keep thinking maybe each day a few more people will remember the golden rule...And Sorcha, I agree the jerks don't deserve a response - but isn't it useful to have an occasional one show up? That way even if I'm bitchy I still look good in comparison! <8)# Ann O'Nymous Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? Jeri said: Of course, it would have been better if we'd all just learned to ignore the silly trolls instead of needing to be protected from them. Too much to ask for, though. Is it really?......... Max did not want a a part 2 to his thread and he also indicated there that a letter from Max to members was on the way. Perhaps members should wait until that thread comes along and read what he as to say, we could possibly have as many parts to that one as we wished? Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? 1) this is really just a part 2 to the whole thread... So with that and what's coming after considered, I hope it gets deleted... 2) Only Max hurts Max's chances at financing... a few banner adds on a separate Mudcat page, with an open invite for people to click away would solve 98% of the $$ problems this place has... but Max doesn't want to do that, so... fair enough... this is where the fact that it's not a democracy cuts both ways... Max can run it how ever the hell he wants to.. but apparently that involves passing up readily available sources of income... So it's HIS choice... There are PLENTY of funding options open to him, but Mudcat is HIS baby, so he can do with it what he decides to do... Post - Top - Forum Home - Translate
Subject: RE: Why have 'guests' anyway ?? Big 10-4 on the waiting, I started this thread and hereby respectfully request it be stopped at this time. I would still rather it be attached to the 200+ post thread and be assimilated there without resistance. I just couldn't post there myself due to some failure (unprecedented!!) of my revered Mac to finish loading the whole thread. (kept getting error messages that a server somewhere had timed out after 120 secs.) Can I hijack my own thread? >>> Does anybody know why I can't load the big thread? Mac is pre-G3 but not THAT primitive and I've never had this happen before, was it me or was the ether just too busy for my share to come through fast enough? --------------------------------------------------------- :-) |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Hrothgar Date: 12 Feb 02 - 05:28 AM Max, it's your game, so you make the rules. A couple of observations, though... I just checked that excellent "Analysis of Raglan Road" thread. I think this is what the whole Mudcat Discussion Forum is supposed to be about. There are 129 postings, Of these, there were 30 by Guests. Of those 30, 22 gave their names or nicknames (almost like being members!). This leaves just eight who didn't want to either join up or give their name/nickname/nom de plume/whatever. Now, those eight all made positive contributions, but if losing them is the price of getting rid of a lot of the rubbish that's going on, so be it. Wouldn't the Drumcree thread have been dull without the Guest postings! These people giving grants aren't the only source of funding. There are a few of us out here who willtry to find something any time you need it. I resented (on your behalf) the suggestion that you were trying to change things to make money. If I could set up somthing like this, I'd be using the skills somewhere where they would make me some real money. And lastly, if it's a troll, don't bite!!!! LOL |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Zipster Date: 12 Feb 02 - 05:33 AM I'll keep this brief. I spent all day Sunday walking in the hills in the Scottish borders with 2 non-musos, telling them about this great site that I had come across. What was key to me was the feeling of inclusion, I couldn't believe when I first posted (as a guest)that no-one said "who are you" or "bugger-off" this despite the fact that I asked some pretty stupid questions. I felt genuinely honoured that I was obviously sitting in hte company of some serious players, in both senses. The worry has to be that in changing, the forum doesn't lose something important. At teh end of the day does Mudcat want to be an exclusive gathering or a community performing missionary work for the music. I had thought the latter. I would still like to know why good people ( and they are the majority ) want to post anonymously. SO far I ahve seen two reason to avoiid embarassment at asking stupid q's (this from a member) and a general internet security issue of not wanting to exchange details. I am absolutely sure that the die is cast but I'm going to give my thoughts, because I care. If we new why people post privately it can be addressed, eg above perhaps the security surrounding members details could be published to reassure this guest. Embarassment... well thats perhaps something that individuals have to deal with. If this is a genuine community then free-exchange should be possible. Rules for teh site more clearly diplayed, including and perhaps most important of all astrict rule not to post or respond to deliberately provocative posting. With problems I always think the code is determine what the problem is, minimise it and address whats left. Its great here, lets keep it great. PS stop slagging each other it looks really poor. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Fossil Date: 12 Feb 02 - 06:52 AM OK, I have now given in and got the OK to put a cookie on the PC I use at work. So I can now drop the dreaded "GUEST" appelation and post under my real (?) identity. My 0.02 euro's worth on this sorry saga: the GUEST mechanism has in fact worked reasonably well for most of the time. There seems to have been a problem recently, but I'm not sure the juvenilia of a few warrants the problems that would be caused to the vast numbers of people who regularly "lurk from work" and occasionally GUEST post if they have something to contribute. Like I used to. And - I'm an adult, I don't like everything I read here but isn't it like watching TV? There's an "off" button. You don't *have* to read boring, tedious or rude stuff. No-one makes you do it. Personally, I like the Mudcat, warts and all, I've been looking at it for three years now on and off and I'm quite capable of deciding whether someone else is trolling, flaming or just having a robust discussion about something they care deeply about. And having come rather late into the "Campsite at Drumcree" threads, I'd have been very sorry to lose the possibility of having another of those few days worth of glorious madness just for the sake of a few eejits. I agree, Max, it's your site, you call the shots. But you have to ask yourself how broken it really is, before you start in on fixing it. I'm not on the inside, I don't know. Maybe there's stuff going on the average member doesn't see, because the site monitors get to it first. If that's the case, then maybe the Mudcat really *is* broken. I sincerely hope not. OK, that's it. Best wishes to all Real (and Provisional) Mudcatters and thanks for giving us a great place to be. Yours ever, Berilac Gamgee from Whitfurrows (see the Inner Hobbit/Let's waste some time thread), formerly GUEST - Tony from Brussels, formerly (and now again) Fossil. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 02 - 07:34 PM OK, Max Do what you will. You ain't seen nothing yet. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 02 - 07:47 PM "There is nothing more fraught with risk than an idea before its time, nor is there anything more powerful than an idea whose time has come." - Anonymous
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Bearheart Date: 12 Feb 02 - 07:51 PM (I had to respond to this thread despite a major respiratory flu, so please bear with misspellings etc.) Well, I got half way through this thread and decided not to bother reading the rest. I don't have the energy for it. I just have a comment or two to make. This is a music site, first and foremost. That's why I come here. It's usually pretty easy to see which threads are inflammatory. I avoid them. In fact I probably only read about a 1/3 of the music threads, on a good day, because I am primarily a Celtophile and while I like most folk music I don't have time to hang out here all day. I come for the stuff I'm most interested in. It so happens that I've met a lot of like minded folks on the Cat. Folks who share not only my love of music but my brand of spirituality, and my love of the earth; who are interested in healing (thank you, Kat, for bringing it here), gardening, and all the other things we Catters sing about. Of late I have had less time to devote to the Forum, and even less time to share my thoughts. I've had my share of painful experiences here--- attacks on me for my interest in astrology for instance nearly drove me away at one point. Then I thought-- Why? -- It's the music I went there for originally. Sure there are intolerant people there, but I can avoid them by being selective, and also by being tougher skinned. More importantly, when one person attacks another, we're really only showing our most vulnerable side. Most of the posts by guests that I've read (and I won't dignify that appellation by CAPS) sound like they were written by attention-hungry powerless bored people who have no friends (and perhaps a poor relationship with their Dad). It's just obvious. Why else would someone get his jollies by antagonizing others. Most of us have got lives, friends and something to live for. We don't have time to waste on poison. If Max were really the power monger he's accused of being this site would never have been built, because he wouldn't have had time to do so. Or probably inclination. Frankly Max I think your only real failing is that you care too much. But I respect you all the more for it. I think that you over estimate the power of these people to harm the Cat though--- there are too many of us who care about it. Maybe we need to do more to help you keep it alive. Just know that this is the ONLY site that I bother to visit regularly. For ME. I do a lot of social and political action, and alot of scholarship in many different areas, and the web is where I go for some of that. But the Mudcat is my spiritual HOME... |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: vectis Date: 12 Feb 02 - 08:01 PM Sorry that it has to be done but as things have got to the present state then so be it. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST,Melani Date: 12 Feb 02 - 08:03 PM Just to clarify it for those of you who might not know, I am a registered member who is not at my home computer at the moment. I gave up reading every post about halfway down. First, I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't want to register in the first place--we all have screen names anyway, and people only know as much about you as you tell them. So what's the problem? Second, in response to a comment above, Max is not trying to make money off this forum, he's trying to get enough financing to keep it going--did you guys think the Internet Fairy was paying the bills? Do what you have to, Max. A login screen would be fine. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 02 - 08:12 PM Yes, and a log-in screen that actually works would be even better. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Art Thieme Date: 13 Feb 02 - 01:21 AM I just got home and found this thread. Max, I'm with you all the way. Art |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: John Routledge Date: 13 Feb 02 - 01:51 PM "If it were to be done t'were well that it be done quickly" John |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 02 - 06:50 PM One more vote in favor of Max. Now if I can just figure out why I'm posting as 'Guest' Chicken Charlie |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: JeZeBeL Date: 13 Feb 02 - 07:29 PM Thank you Max. All three of us here in this house in the middle of nowhere will support you. This is a lifeline to the rest of the world where we can talk to people with similar interests, whether we're talking about serious music, needing advice or giving advice, or just having a bit of a laugh with our friends to keep our spirits up cos we can't go anywhere, it helps us a great deal. Without this forum I would not have met so many wonderful people and musicians as I have done, or started learning a new instrument, or generally found people who I get along with so well. Guests who make unwelcome comments are only here to cause trouble, or just don't understand what this forum is to some people, like us. we have one car between the 3 of us, and only get to a session once a week at the jug, so it's nice to be able to come on here and be with friends. Thank you again big guy, you truly do not know how greatful we are for this site. Do whatever you have to do, you have our support 100%. Yours truly, JeZeBeL, catsPhiddle and Chris2far aka emma, cat and chris xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: kendall Date: 13 Feb 02 - 07:52 PM Dani my dear, years ago, the wife of a friend of mine upon finding out that I am not a religous fanatic like she is, said to me "If you let the hypocrites keep you out of church, they will also keep you out of heaven." I will not allow any foul mouth unruly guest to run me off. I love it here, and I'm staying. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Gypsy Date: 13 Feb 02 - 10:59 PM I repeat what both Nutty and Melani say. I also add, that it is indeed Max's playground, and i don't blame him for wanting to keep it pristine. Or something to that effect. I think this is the ONLY BB that DOESN'T make you register. And i like the idea of newsletters for donations on a yearly basis...would give me a jumpstart, certainly. Add me to the mailing list! |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 24 May 02 - 07:02 PM From max's initial post in this thread: MEMBERS: We are discussing our options and our technology now, and will post an Open Letter to Members in a week or two to explain what we have decided. Almost 4 months down the line, would it be unfair to ask what's happening? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: RichM Date: 24 May 02 - 07:21 PM Surely not... send a PM to Max... |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Devilmaster Date: 24 May 02 - 07:26 PM *yawn* |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 24 May 02 - 07:27 PM Have done, numerous times. All remain unanswered... |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 24 May 02 - 07:30 PM You sound tired, Devilmaster. Perhaps you should go to bed? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 25 May 02 - 02:03 AM GUEST - move to a static URL from a dynamic - there is a mirror and a screen - notice the "absence" of Max's Mullah's???? Reactivate old cookies or log in under a new personae. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Barry Finn Date: 26 May 02 - 06:22 PM Hi Max, After being on Mudcat close to 5 1/2 yrs & having met you along with accomplices Dick & Susan, Joe Elf & probably near a hundred other mudcatters (all thanks to you) it is YOU who has made this place into a folk community with absolutely no comparison. I couldn't have had a better shot in the arm & a boost in spirit while on my death bed than from those here. I know & see you as the builder/driver of the vechical that allowed this to be. I see no better time than now to take it out of the tail spin that ABUSING guests have seem to be wishing for. The changes that you've made here over the years have always been for the better of all & for the continual survival & enjoyment of the mudcat. NONE has put the TIME, MONEY, BLOOD, SWEAT, EFFORT & PASSION into this site. There are always those that'll bite the hand that feeds them or shit where they eat. We all benefit & are the better for your endevors. Not only is the ball yours to do as you see fit but it's also your court housed in your dwelling. We have for the most part been extremely aware of each other here & indeed have given those that are respectful of this neighborhood the respect due them in return. If you want to run off the bulling guests so be it, it's been a long time coming. Thanks for continuing to make this a better neighboorhood. Barry |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 26 May 02 - 06:32 PM Please Barry! If supine adoration suits you, fine. But may I ask a question? So what has Max done recently to make this a 'better neighborhood?' Promising things for a year, and not delivering? Ignoring most people who email suggestions? Not bothering telling the membership where things are going? Or have I missed something? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: katlaughing Date: 26 May 02 - 10:45 PM What you've missed is Max doesn't owe you or any of the rest of us a damn thing, including an explanation. Get a fucking clue and find something else to do with your time. |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Barry Finn Date: 26 May 02 - 11:44 PM Dear Guest, you don't deserve an answer nor any respect. Good day & goodbye. Barry |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Celtic Soul Date: 27 May 02 - 01:45 AM There was this woman, no 4 star chef, but decent and desirous of giving it her best. She was willing to feed just about anyone that asked, and it was common knowledge that her home was open to all. Many people would come and bring a loaf of bread, or a bottle of wine to share. Some of the people she liked, some she had no real affinity for, some even urked her some, but she wanted everyone to feel at home, so she turned no one away. A stranger, complaining of being hungry, happened by. She set about the task of doing her best, though it took her some time. She set the meal before him, feeling as though she had done a good deed, and happy to have been able to provide the stranger with nourishment. The man then proceeded to critique her hard work rather harshly. He, a total stranger to her. He said that he could get better swill from a garbage bin, and asked when she was going to serve a better meal than this? He harshly told her she should try harder, and that it should be forthcoming immediately. It wasn't as if she could possibly have anything better to do, and it was obviously not as if she didn't have the money to do so. He complained that she took too long to bring it. He complained that the seasonings were wrong. He complained that she used cheap ingredients. He complained that she was not forthcoming with ideas for how she was going to do better next time. He complained that her home was not neat. He complained that she had not offered him her best china. He complained that she had not offered him a bed. He complained that she was nicer to the people who had come over more often. And he was angry when she got upset and asked him to please be a little more appreciative, and a little more polite in her home. He was even surprised and more angry when she finally lost her temper and asked him to leave. Sound familiar? |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 May 02 - 04:33 AM Missed this thread when it started, and just read it (the whole shebang!) Max: I'm with you all the way! As someone pointed out halfway through this thread, the posts from some of the "Guests" in this thread make it quite clear your actions are justified. Que Sera Sera! Nigel |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: John J Date: 27 May 02 - 07:37 AM Go for it Max, you have my full approval to do as you think fit. Your record shows you are a most considerate person who would not criticise, condemn or complain about others and their behaviour without substantial justification. John |
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Subject: RE: An Open Letter from Max to GUESTS From: GUEST Date: 27 May 02 - 07:54 AM Celtic Soul, Your analogy doesn't ring true. Continuing with your metaphor, the hostess has asked which china to use, how best to season the dish etc. Many have gone out of their way to look up recipes, find china catalogues etc. The hostess has then said that the meal will be ready very soon. Everyone is hungry and getting ready to enjoy the meal. The meal doesn't turn up, so the people wait a bit longer, then longer still. Everyone is getting very hungry. Eventually, someone tries to find the hostess, nowhere to be seen... Sound familiar?
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