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Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol)
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: GUEST,Robert Date: 07 May 17 - 03:01 PM Well, if this thread is still alive! With Macron (En Marche!) winning the French election I remembered much of the 1st verse at least of this Carol. It was taught to us by our French teacher at school, must have been 40 years ago! I got as far as j'ai rencontre le diable so Trevor has kindly provided the next line. It follows with la-la-la, la-la-la-la j'ai rencontre le diable and a final line which I don't remember. But it fits the same metre as je l'ai bien reconnect. I do remember the tune and was singing it when I looked up more in hope than expectation on google. It translates as: As I was going to the stable Where baby Jesus was asleep I met the devil I recognised him well (or more loosely, easily). Beyond that I have no memory but devil was trying to join the journey to meet Jesus (I think) and somehow the story ended happily. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Monique Date: 11 Dec 11 - 03:51 AM The midi Joe posted last night is the tune you can find in "Trésor des Noëls provençaux avec musique et illustrés" collected by Denis Cassan, Editions Marcel Petit - Culture provençale et méridionale (1981). The carols have simple one-line-scores as the one I made the midi from. The book includes the carols by Saboly, the felibres (19th century Provençal poets), the "rèires" (older Provençal poets - "rèire" means ancestor/forebear), Notre Dame des Doms (late 1500's, mid 1600's -NDDD is Avignon's cathedral) and by Denis Cassan himself. Only 3 used ones can be found on sale at Amazon.fr at reasonable prices (€26.90 - 40 - 60.90; it costed €45 new). IMO it's worth having it for the Notre Dame des Doms carols that you can't find anywhere else as far as I'm aware. Saboly's are much better on the PDF Jim linked to that you can download for free. My intention was to make a NDDD thread with original lyrics, English (literal!!!) translations and midis but there're 62 of them, it's a lot of work and I haven't that much time right now. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Dec 11 - 12:25 AM Here's a MIDI that Monique sent me for "Auprès d'aquel estable": Click to play (joeweb) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Artful Codger Date: 10 Dec 11 - 08:52 PM As requested: Note that the verse part in the second tune appears to be in a modally fluctuating B minor (notated as B Dorian), shifting to A major for the solfeggio. Caveat cantor: the solfeggio relates not to the tonic of the mode, nor to the mode's relative Ionian root, as in the English and American systems, but to the position of the notes on the clef (like our A-B-C system), and thus, if the tune is transposed to a different pitch, the syllables would presumably change as well. According to our systems, the names correspond to C# Phrygian--yipes! So you may prefer to translate them to a more familiar, transpositionally static solfeggio form. I should have mentioned: to generate a MIDI, feed the ABC to the folkinfo.org ABC Converter. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Dec 11 - 05:35 PM Here's a link that will take you directly to the page that contains the music for AUPRÈS D'AQUEL ESTABLE in Recueil des Noëls Composés en Langue Provençale by Micoulau Saboly (Avignon: Seguin, 1856), page 60. I don't do ABCs. Hopefully somebody else will. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Monique Date: 10 Dec 11 - 05:32 PM Sure! In French we have "cercueil" and "bière" to mean coffin/casket -and also "firtree suit". The tricky word was the Provençal "tafut" that's usually said "taüt/ataüt" (Cf Spanish "ataúd") |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Dec 11 - 04:58 PM In Collins dictionary, cercueil is casket, coffin, coffret. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Monique Date: 10 Dec 11 - 04:29 PM Original Provençal lyrics AUPRÈS D'AQUEL ESTABLE (Nouvè 48 de Micoulau Saboly) Auprès d'aquel estable Vount es l'Enfant tout nu Ai rescountra lou diable L'ai proun bèn couneigu Fa, fa, fa, sol, la, mi, la, mi Rè, mi, rè, mi, fa, La, fa, sol, la, mi, la, mi Rè, mi, fa, sol, la. Ai rescountra lou diable L'ai proun bèn couneigu Avié, coume uno cabro De bano sus lou su Fa, fa, fa… Avié, coume uno cabro De bano sus lou su Avié la tèsto plato E lou mourre pounchu Fa, fa, fa… Avié la tèsto plato E lou mourre pounchu Leis auriho d'un ase E lou còu d'un pendu Fa, fa, fa… Leis auriho d'un ase E lou còu d'un pendu Lei bras fach en andouio Lou bout dei det croucu Fa, fa, fa… Lei bras fach en andouio Lou bout dei det croucu Lei cambo de flahuto E lei dous pèd fourcu Fa, fa, fa… Lei cambo de flahuto E lei dous pèd fourcu A desplega seis arpo E m'a sauta dessu Fa, fa, fa… A desplega seis arpo E m'a sauta dessu Moun Diéu! Ma bono Vierge! Secours! Iéu siéu perdu! Fa, fa, fa… Moun Diéu! Ma bono Vierge! Secours! Iéu siéu perdu Toui lei gènt de l'estable D'abord m'an entendu Fa, fa, fa… Toui lei gènt de l'estable D'abord m'an entendu Pèr ma bono fourtuno Un ange a pareigu Fa, fa, fa… Pèr ma bono fourtuno Un ange a pareigu Que l'a pres pèr lei bano E l'a mes en tafut* Fa, fa, fa… Que l'a pres pèr lei bano E l'a mes en tafut Anas! Vèspro soun dicho De Nouvè n'i a pas plu Fa, fa, fa… French literal translation, some verses can be sung to the tune. AUPRÈS DE CETTE ÉTABLE Auprès de cette étable Où est l'Enfant tout nu J'ai rencontré le diable Je l'ai bien reconnu Fa, fa, fa, sol, la, mi, la, mi Ré, mi, ré, mi, fa, La, fa, sol, la, mi, la, mi Ré, mi, fa, sol, la. Il avait, comme une chèvre Des cornes sur le crâne Il avait la tête Et le museau pointu Les oreilles d'un âne Et le cou d'un pendu Les bras comme des andouilles Le bout des doigts crochus Les jambes comme des flûtes Et les deux pieds fourchus Il a déplié ses griffes Et m'a sauté dessus Mon dieu, ma Bonne Vierge Au secours je suis perdu Tous les gens de l'étable M'ont d'abord entendu Pour ma bonne fortune Un ange est apparu Qui l'a pris par les cornes Et l'a mis au cercueil* Allez ! les vêpres sont dites De Noël, il n'y en a plus (Noël est fini) English literal translation -if anybody wants to makes it singable, you're welcome, I won't. NEAR THAT COWSHED Near that cowshed Where the naked Child is I met the devil, I recognized him well. Fa, fa, fa, soh, la, mi, la, mi Re, mi, re, mi, fa, La, fa, soh, la, mi, la, mi Re, mi, fa, soh, la. He had, like a goat, Horns on the top of his head, He had a flat head, And a pointed muzzle/mouth, The ears like a donkey's, And the neck like a hanged man's, The arms like andouilles (chitterlings sausages), And the tip of his fingers clawed, The legs like flutes, And both feet cloven. He stretched his claws And pounced on me. My God, my good Virgin, Help! I'm doomed Everybody in the cowshed First heard me. For my good fortune An angel appeared Who caught him by his horns And put him in the (coffin)* Go/Leave! Vespers have been said/are over, There's no more Christmas (Christmas is over). * Tafut: I couldn't find the word as it is in any of my dictionaries, nor in any of the online dictionaries I could find but it's certainly a local version of "taüt/taüc" (coffin) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Dec 11 - 03:07 PM The link I provided to French carols is dead, the site closed because of copyright violation. It lacked this song, so not pertinent to this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Monique Date: 10 Dec 11 - 02:48 PM It's a French version of Micolau Sabòli/Nicolas Saboly's carol #48 called "Auprès d'aquel estable". In this thread Artful Codger posted a link to Google Books Saboly's carols and I posted one to the same book on the BNF. It's been "sanitized" because the original version/translation says "Près de cette étable / où est l'enfant tout nu / j'ai rencontré le diable / je l'ai bien reconnu". Original lyrics and translations to come. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Artful Codger Date: 10 Dec 11 - 11:54 AM In a Google Books search snippet of a book from ca. 1936 on the Comédie Française, the title of the carol was listed with several others. Elsewhere, I found it in a list of carols whose dates had not been determined, in close proximity to some of the same carols, but here it was titled "Ture-lure-lure, en marchant à l'étable". I have a suspicion that this song may turn out to be a variant of "Ture-lure-lure, lo gau canta/le coq chante", a carol collected by Micolau Saboly, because the other carols in the mentioned lists turn up in similar proximity to it in other mentions. Admittedly, "ture-lure-lure" is just a French form of mouth-music, like "tra la la", common to many songs, but I haven't encountered other French carols which use it, despite the dance origins of most early carols. Curiously, the title which followed "En marchant" in the first list I found was "Turelurelure déjà tinte", which shows that there are other carols which turluter--not entirely surprising, considering the dance origins of carols. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: En marchant vers l'etable (French carol) From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Dec 11 - 10:03 AM Refresh. I can find nothing. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Watson Date: 26 Mar 02 - 08:47 AM We'll buy each other a pint then. Thanks for trying. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Trevor Date: 25 Mar 02 - 12:32 PM Hello, Been through everything, including Keith's 'Monster Book of Carols in Almost Every Language' and can't find a thing. Might it be worth resurrecting the discussion in the other site you mentioned? I'll buy you a pint instead! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Watson Date: 20 Mar 02 - 05:56 AM Thanks Dicho, I'll brush up my O level French and check it out! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Mar 02 - 01:17 PM Some 35 French carols at this site. In the index on the left, click on interprète and select Chants de Noël. French songs They do not seem to have the one sought here. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Watson Date: 19 Mar 02 - 11:55 AM Looking forward to seeing what Trevor comes up with, but meanwhile, I thought I'd just refresh. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Watson Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:24 AM Thanks Trevor, I'll buy you a pint of 'pickers at BC! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carol in French From: Trevor Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:10 AM Working on it! |
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Subject: Carol in French From: Watson Date: 14 Mar 02 - 11:35 AM I'm looking for the lyrics of a French carol. It starts:
En marchant vers l'étable Searching on Google only turns up a request from someone contributing that verse to a discussion. Over to you, Catters! |
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