Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge

Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: EILEEN OGE (The Dubliners)
From: Baz
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 04:49 PM

From The Dubliners CD 30 Years-a-Greying Eileen Oge

Eileen Oge and that the darlin's name is
Through the Barony her features they were famous
If we loved her who is there to blame us
for wasn't she the pride of Petravore
But her beauty made us all so shy
Not a man could look her in the eye
Boys oh Boys sure that's the reason why
We're in mournin' for the Pride of Petravore

Chorus
Eileen Oge! me heart is growin' grey
Ever since that day, you wandered far away
Eileen Oge! there's good fish in the say
But there's no one like the Pride of Petravore.

Friday at the fair of Ballintubber,
Eileen met McGrath the cattle jobber,
I'd like to set me mark upon the robber
For he stole away the Pride of Petravore.
He never seemed to see the girl at all
Even when she ogled him underneath her shawl,
Lookin' big and masterful when she was lookin' small,
Most provoking for the Pride of Petravore.
Chorus

So it went as it was in the beginning,
Eileen Oge was bent upon the winning;
Big McGrath contentedly was grinning,
Being courted by the Pride of Petravore.
Sez he "I know a girl who could knock you into fits,"
At that Eileen nearly lost her wits,
The upshot of the ruction was that now the robber sits
With his arm around the Pride of Petravore.
Chorus

Boys, O boys! with fate 'tis hard to grapple,
Of my eye 'tis Eileen was the apple,
And now to see her walkin' to the chapel
Wid the hardest featured man in Petravore.
And now boys this is all I have to say;
When you do your courtin' make no display,
If you want them to run after you just walk the other way
For they're mostly like the Pride of Petravore.
Chorus

X: 1
T:EILEEN OGE
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:F
D3EF3G|A>B A>G FD2z|C3DE>E EF|
G>A G>F EC2z|D3EF3G|A>B A>G F>D (F>G)|
A>A A>A A>F G>E|D6z2|d2d2d2d2
c>A F>G A4|B2D2D2G2|G>F D>D D4|
d2d2d2d2|c>A F>G A2A>A|D>A A>A A>G E>F|
D6z2|d2d2d3d|c>A FGA4|
A>E E>EE3G|GF DD D3z|d2d2d3d|
c>A F>G A2 AA|D>A A>A A>G E>F|D6z2||

% Output from ABC2Win Version 2.1 f on 11/04/98

Regards BAZ

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: alison
Date: 15 Apr 98 - 07:59 PM

Hi,

Great song, written of course by Percy French.

Slainte

Alison

Subject: Tune Add: EILEEN OGE
From:
Date: 16 Apr 98 - 07:43 PM

Hi,

and here's the tune again with Alan's new improved program.

MIDI file: EILEENOG.MID

Timebase: 480

Name: Eileen Oge
TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Key: F
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Eileen Oge
M:4/4
Q:1/4=100
K:F
D7/2E3/4F13/4G/2|A3/2B/4A7/4G/2F/2D7/2|C7/2D3/4E5/4E3/2E/2F/2|
G5/4AG5/4F3/4E/4C7/2|D7/2E/2F7/2G/2|A3/2B/2A3/2G/2F3/2D/2F5/4G3/4|
A3/2A/2A3/2A5/4A3/4F/2G3/2E/2|D8|d2d2d3d|
c3/2A/2F3/2G3/4A15/4|A3/2E/2E2E3/2E/2G3/2G/2|
G3/2F/4D/4D2D4|d2d2d3d|c3/2A/4F7/4G/4A9/4F3/2G/2|
A5/4A3/4A3/2A5/4A3/4G/2E3/2F/2|D8|d2d2d3d|
c3/2A/2F3/2G/2A4|A3/2E5/4E3/4E/2E2G2|G3/2F3/4D15/4|
D5/4D3/4d2d2d3d|c3/2A3/4F5/4G/4A9/4G3/2F/4D/4|
-D7/4A5/4A/4A7/4A3/4G/2E5/4F/2|D8||

Slainte

Alison

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: Harald
Date: 18 Jun 98 - 01:01 PM

Hi folks! I´m just back home from a trip to Greece, where I heard a greek tune played by street-musicians. And the tune resembled a lot of Eileen Óg. It always sounded strange to me, like a russian melody. Is there a connection to south-east Europe (where is Petravore?) or is the tune "imported" and new words have been written to it ? I´m just wondering...

Slan go fóill, Harald

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: alison
Date: 18 Jun 98 - 08:20 PM

Hi Harald,

Sorry I can't help you but I checked my map of Ireland and couldn't find Petravore.

Slainte

Alison

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From:
Date: 11 Nov 99 - 03:04 PM

Can you send me or refer where to get the lyrics for the song: Eileen Og (Percy French). I also need lyrics for the following songs if you know: 1) Voyage (Johnny Duhan) 2) Will Ye Go, Lassie, Go? (McPeake Family 3) Darling Girl from Clare (Traditional)

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 99 - 03:20 PM

I think it's somewhere in Mayo, but spelt a bit different.

And how come this thread is going in reverse?

As for Eileen Oge - Well it might have worked for my Big namesake, but I never found it worked well for me. (And I reckon your man had a hard time after the wedding.)

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: alison
Date: 11 Nov 99 - 07:56 PM

tune can be heard at Mudcat MIDIs

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,George
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 08:44 AM

I heard Eileen Oge in Slovenia performed by The Messengers and i can't get a hold on the version they've played. It was rather fast and full of energy. Does anyone maybe have any mp3s of this song? I have only one now.

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 02:44 AM

I have Eileen Oge in "Prose Poems and Parodies of Percy French" (Dublin: The Talbot Press, Limited, 1964 repr. of 1929 1st ed.), pp. 24-5.

If people need it, I will write up the words, somewhat different: e.g. the first line is:

Eileen Oge! an' that the darlin's name is

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 28 Oct 02 - 02:48 AM

Note to self: read post, THEN respond.

The version in the book is almost identical to the one given at the head of this thread; it's different from the one I sing in some small details (e.g. last verse: instead of "Now boys this is all I have to say", I have "Boys O boys, take heed of what I say", etc. etc.

Subject: RE: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Bawnboy, Co.Cavan about 5 miles from Pedar a
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 12:23 PM

I have a little good news for you. Not only did I find Pedar a Voher's on an Ordnance Map of 1836 but I spoke to someone who lives very near there and is somewhat of a historian. He told me that there used to be a pub near that cross roads but it was probably gone some time before Percy French came to this area.
You can find a copy of the piece of map at http://www.bawnboy.utvinternet.com/PFS/images/Pedar-a-Vore.jpg but please be warned that it is a large file (474 KB)and may take several minutes to download on a slow internet connection.
Pedar is Peter in Irish.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,maryann kelly
Date: 26 May 08 - 04:57 PM

hi,
an aunt of mine by marriage, told me that pedra voher was a district in northwest cavan named after peter mcgovern, one of my gggrandfather's. she said when she would go to vote, she would see that name "pedra voher's district." that was the oral history. i have seen pedra voher's name also in records. i haven't been able to trace much further though. he was also known as "peter of the road." i think his house was near a cross road's and people would be welcome there.

maryann kelly (mcgovern..derryvella)

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 May 08 - 05:33 PM

Tony and Una of No Fixed Abode do a stunning version of this - request it, when you see them.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 08:51 PM

hi, five year laters i see your reply to my message about pedra voher! thanks for doing the research. i was just looking into this again.

thanks for your information.

maryann

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Dave MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 09:03 PM

We used to do this as a hornpipe set in Em. Start with "Rights of Man" then into "Pride of Petravore" as four parts with the words over three parts.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Gulliver
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 10:22 AM

We do it as a reel in Em, followed by Cooley's.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:26 PM

Thanks, Jon Bartlett, for all the info on this song! I had assumed it was a traditional Irish ballad. My dear old daddy used to sing it to my sister and me when we were small.

In 1983, married mother of two, I heard a news story on CBC radio about the tragic demise of an albino moose who was the "mascot" of a nearby town. It struck me as both sad and amusing, and a line came into my head to the tune of "Pride of Petrovar":

"Of all the famous ungulates the world has ever known..."

The rest of the song seemed to write itself (with a bit of help from my husband). I recorded it on my portable tape recorder, sent the tape to CBC, they played it on the air... and that was that.

The act of creation sparked something in my brain, however, and I went on to write many more songs - ballads, humourous, topical - performing them for friends and family, and at local events such as coffee houses and fairs in our tiny community. I have about 50 to date, most to my own tunes but several to existing melodies.

Over the years I have frequently been encouraged to record my songs, but as as stay-at-home mother of 6 my priorities were to family. Now that we've reached the "empty nest" years, I hope to finally do so!

Due to copyright issues I have been tracking down the songs whose tunes I "borrowed". I assumed this tune was a traditional Irish ballad - it's helpful to know the identity of the author, and publication dates.

Wish me luck with my project! I'll post more info here if it ever gets off the ground!

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:17 AM

I don't suppose Oge is pronounced Aroon? I used to be better with Gaelic...

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 04:29 AM

I'd suggest that Petravore is an anglicisation of the Gaelic "Peadar a' Bhothar" or Peter -of -the -Road. He might well have been a travelling man who happened to have a very good looking daughter who fancied the Cattle Jobber for her husband. (a "jobber" also called a "tangler" was a kind of "in-between trader" who would intervene in a sale, being discussed and argued at a Fair, in order to bring the two parties together to make a deal) Travelling people always frequented fairs in the old days.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 05:54 AM

'I don't suppose Oge is pronounced Aroon? I used to be better with Gaelic.'

I believe Eibhlín a ruin and Eibhlín Óg are different characters although I suppose she could be both a darling and young at the same time.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 08:02 AM

"Eileen a roon" means Eileen my love while "Eileen Og" means Young Eileen.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 09:58 AM

Oh... I thought it was her last name.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Jan 20 - 08:40 PM

I just came across this video, and I really loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGvq-Wtyg8
Cathy Jordan, Eleanor Shanley & friends sing 'Eileen Óg': Traditional Irish Music from LiveTrad.com

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jan 20 - 07:38 AM

I think that the Chad Mitchell Trio also did this.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 20 - 08:40 AM

Percy French loved Co Cavan (with good reason) and put as many Cavan placenames as he could

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 21 Jan 20 - 08:56 AM

Somebody at our session last week played the tune very nicely on a recorder and called it 'Petravore'. She had no idea that it was a song called Eileen Oge until I told her.

Is there no Percy French thread on the Cat?

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Reinhard
Date: 21 Jan 20 - 12:20 PM

The recordings I have, by Daria Kulesh and by Lankum, both use the title "The Pride of Petravore" and not "Eileen Oge".

Strange enough, Steve Roud lists Roud 19185 as "The Pride of Petravore" with the first line "When we were little children Johnny Redmond was a fool", and with the source Paddy Tunney, The Stone Fiddle (1979) p.24. According to the Ballad Index TSF024 this should have the title "De Valera"; it is just set to the tune of "The Pride of Petravore".

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 21 Jan 20 - 12:30 PM

In the 'Sone Fiddle' Tunney writes about the DeValera song :

[..]someone sitting well back in the shadows, started to the tune of the Pride of Petravore;'

After which he gives the text of DeValera, A different song set to a familiar air.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Lapaget
Date: 25 Jul 20 - 06:56 PM

I first heard this Song in 1958 by the "Rocky mountains ol' time stompers", here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDmPB4rzwc

Title was "Slanshea", a derivation from Irish Slanchea, meaning "Cheers", to be heard in the fourth line.

It was really hard for me to understand, now at 80 it is easier, but I must admit I didn't catch Petrovar.

Enjoy the link above.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Lapaget
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 03:08 AM

Addizional information:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullynamoltra

Pedar a Voher’s Crossroads which is immortalised in the song by Percy French as Eileen Oge, The Pride of Petravore. Pedar a Voher is Irish for ‘Peter of the Road’, a Peter McGovern who kept a public house at the crossroads in the 18th century.

French in Phil the fluter's ball mentions:

The flower of Ardmagullion, and the pride of Pethravore

Besides:

This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published before January 1, 1925.

The author died in 1920, so this work is also in the public domain in countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 99 years or less. This work may also be in the public domain in countries and areas with longer native copyright terms that apply the rule of the shorter term to foreign works.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 04:37 PM

There's a Percy French website with the words of lots of French's songs, and some of his lovely paintings.
Oddly, I can't find him in either the 1901 or 1911 census of Ireland. Familysearch.org has him flitting here and there, though.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 05:41 AM

Incidentally, the song was also known as McGrath the Cattle Jobber, from the name of "the hardest-featured man in Petrovore" that the modest Eileen eventually marries, a marriage that showed the dowry system still in full force in Percy French's day; I have no doubt that McGrath not only had a prosperous cattle trading business but also a good fistful of land, probably adjoining that of Eileen's own family, and certainly including road frontage.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Lapaget
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 11:09 AM

About "McGrath the cattle jobber"

First time I visited Ireland was 1964.

In a country fair I still remember the in-between taking a piece of horse manure from the ground, rub it on the back of the horse, make the seller and the buyer shake hands, and that fixed the sale.

I wonder if this is still the way, as at eighty I can no more hire a car in Ireland, and I don't feel like driving 1,500 miles to get there.
Besides, having gout now, beer is not allowed.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 01:43 PM

Haven't heard of that but (when not socially distancing) I think people still tend to spit on the right hand, swipe both palms off each other, then slap their right hands together in a handshake to seal a bargain, then go for a pint together (which means each buying at least one round of drinks).
Here's Petrovore.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: GUEST,Lapaget
Date: 28 Jul 20 - 10:10 AM

Crosbhóthar Pheadar an Bhóthair

Thanks.
So this would mean Crossroad of Peter of the Road.

But why in the link the pronunciation of Bhóthair is so different from bhóthar in Crosbhóthar?

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: Thompson
Date: 29 Jul 20 - 11:40 AM

Caighdeán rules say wohar because the bh is followed by a broad vowel, but the accent of Ulster Irish says vohar. Why do Americans from the Deep South call a trowel a trawl?

Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Add: Eileen Oge
From: cnd
Date: 29 Jul 20 - 11:56 AM

Because Southern English is predicated on using as little effort as possible when speaking