lord of the rings

Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: Raedwulf
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 08:20 PM

Minor note: The Ainur are the *entire* angelic-level horde. The two levels within that are the Valar & the Maiar. Melkor/Morgoth is a Valar (though not actually counted amongst them as such), the 15th of 14 *BG* IIRC. As noted Sauron, Gandalf & Radagast are all Maiar (along with Saruman, & also the Balrog, incidentally), though it should be noted that the Istari (the 5 wizards) came to Middle Earth with their powers heavily curtailed, unlike Sauron.

The entire first part of the Silmarillion is basically a straight take off of christianity - Melkor/Morgoth is Lucifer/Satan, read archangels & angels for Valar & Maiar. Tolkien was a terrible thief - he nicked stuff virtually straight from religion (pagan & otherwise) left, right & centre (Gandalf is actually a dwarf in one of the Edda's, f'r instance).

Clinton - you're the first person I've heard express the opinion that the film was better than the book (& Maugrim's a wuss! *BG*)!

Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 30 Aug 02 - 10:23 PM

Note: Gollum's name is not Gollum, but Smeagol! he was called Gollum by Bilbo, because of the swallowing sound he continually made.

I wish I could read LOTR once a year, like Christoper Lee (Saruman) does. So many things on my to read list, like finish the Cadfael series, start the Jack Aubrey series (essential for a nautical reenactor), plus read all the books I fudged on in high school

Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: GUEST,rob
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 12:35 AM

I want to just say to the comment that JRR Tolkien was "theif", that yes he was, and he was extreamly good at it, he would take different parts of different myths and stories and then he made somthing completely new with it. He made a distinct world with a distinct history... It would not take much imagination to believe that his writtings were the legends and myths of some forgotten culture, not much diiferent and no less valid then any other cultures stories. The man knew how to tell a good story as a extreamly few people can do. The thing i am most saddened by when i read tolkien, is that he never completed all the stories that he wanted too, or that he had started or outlined, whether he "nicked" them or not... besides as the father of modern fantasy (at least in my mind he is) he has been nicked from himself quite a few times by many less talented writers!

Rob

Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: The Pooka
Date: 31 Aug 02 - 12:43 AM

Smeagol, yes. / Speaking of whom, let's hear it for the dragon Smaug in The Hobbit. "He rose in fire, and flew away south toward Running River." Funny how things stick in your mind. (Hmmph? Shaddup.)

Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 04:33 PM

BBC radio4 "The Essay"
Tolkien and the Spirit of the English Forest
4 minute clip including a song
"Folk singer Mark Atherton celebrates the world of Tom Bombadil."


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Subject: RE: lord of the rings
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 06:42 AM

"Hop o'er hill and pop a pill for Tim Benezdrine - O!"