BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!

Subject: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 09:04 AM

As some already know, Duckboots' sister Linda (Mcknees on Mudcat) is visiting us here in Toronto. She lives in Glasgow, and completely discombobulated me this morning by asking if we wanted her to make

BANOFFEE PIE.

Apparently the ingredients are Chocolate chip cookies, Toffee, bananas (pronounced Buhnonnahs) and whipped cream!!

Jeesus Keerist!! Why not just dive into a giant bag of sugar!!??

It's a wonder the Scots people live past the age of twenty!!

So what's the deal here? Has anyone else heard of this devilish concoction? Any variations on Linda's recipe (like perhaps adding twenty gallons of molasses)?

Cheers (and I WILL eat it!!!)

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 09:59 AM

I think the recipe's missing hot fudge sauce. Some chopped nuts on top might be nice. Optional cherry.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 10:05 AM

The story I heard is that this great concoction was invented by someone from New Zealand. It is widely available as a pudding in pubs and cafes in the UK and is a nutritious and balanced meal in itself(it's got fruit in it, hasnt it??).
"Only use as a a slimming aid as part of a calorie controlled diet".
PS is bananas one of those words pronounced differently in America and Britain, like tomato? If so, how do you pronounce it in Toronto?

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Crane Driver
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:18 AM

Yeah, the name derives, of course, from Banana and Toffee, two of the more gum-wrenching ingredients. Usually served with a rich cholesterol sauce.

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:44 AM

You could work on that notorious Scottish delcacy, the deep-fried Mars Bar in batter as a treat for the next day.

Think I'm joking?

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 12:48 PM

Well Greg, Heather pronounces 'bananas' like "awning" and I pronounce it like "and". However, I'm not sure either of us is representative of our respective cultures. Although I'm Canadian, I've often been told I speak like an "American" and although Heather grew up in Glasgow and Keighley she speaks like a posh BBC announcer. My friend, Tam (also from Glasgow) asked Heather why she didn't speak like a "Glaswegian"....she said "Because I chose not to"!!

Hmmmmmm....I guess tomato is pronounced like "ate".

As to your final question......we pronounce it "IT" like 'hit'!!

Sorry about that!!!

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:04 PM

Torawntoh or Toranto?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: GUEST,Folkmonster
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:18 PM

Pour rum on it. Set it on fire. Then you'll see the true meaning of life.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:21 PM

Banoffee Pie is a favourite in our household. Mrs. C-flat uses condensed milk with the biscuit to make the toffee/biscuit base.
This is just one of the reasons why I'm twice the man she first met!
To a Glaswegian it's considered a healthy option.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:29 PM

Hey! Like er HEP man! Is this some cool Bebop thread or what! Crazy,man.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: X
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 01:59 PM

My teeth hurt...

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 02:27 PM

In a cafe in Scotland, on a trip there, saw the man at the next table finish his meal with a chocolate bar, which was served on a small plate. He cut and ate it with a knife and fork. When we got home, the people we told wouldn't believe it!
Second rate restaurants here in Canada sometimes have a desert called Mud Pie. It is heavy in sugar, marshmallows and chocolate, but beyond that, I don't know. No banana, but it would make a good substitute for the banofee concoction.
This Mud Pie is American, but pretty close: Mud Pie Our cuisinal horrors are somewhat different from the Scots' (Get the cookbook, "White Trash Cooking." Supposed to be southern USA, but Canadians will recognize many of the recipes).

I hear them pernownce it Turawna or almost Trawna.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 03:54 PM

I was once in Sweeney Todd's, a pizza establishment in Bath. We were visiting the baths in Bath, which seemed an appropriated thing to do. The group of Americans I was with decided to sample some genuine British cuisine, so we opted for pizza. It was good pizza, but about halfway through stuffing ourselves we realised people were unsuccessfully trying not to stare at the unwashed heathens (us) eating with out fingers. They were all using knives and forks on their pizzas. To me, the whole point of pizza is that it's its own plate!

Andrew/Crane Driver, pray tell, what's the recipe for 'rich cholesterol sauce'? It sounds like something I'd like. I still think hot fudge would work just fine. If you were dieting, you could probably forego the fudge and use something lighter such as vanilla ice cream. Ben & Jerry's also make "Chubby Hubby" ice cream which is banana flavored and has chocolate covered pretzels in it. That might be nice.

So how does one make Banoffee Pie? Do the cookies/biscuits and toffee make up the crust? Are the bahnahnas and whipped cream the filling? Have you tried swirls of peanut butter? (You'd probably have to mix it with melted butter or something so it's not so thick.)

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 04:05 PM

I'm going to hand you over to Mrs.C-flat who will give you the recipe..................
Go Girl!

make a biscuit crumb base and press into a flan dish, chill in refrigerator.
Put a can of condensed milk into boiling water and simmer for 2 hours. Leave to cool then spread over biscuit base.
Top with sliced banana followed by whipped cream.
Finish with lots of grated chocolate.

Thank you dear...Yes that will be all...

Enjoy
C-flat

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 04:31 PM

It has nothing to do with Scotland, though doubtless popular there. The traditional Scottish pudding, as McGrath has mentioned, is the deep-fried Mars bar, which bears the same relation to ordinary puddings as the warpipes doto musical instruments.
I'm not an expert, but I have heard it said the banoffi(original spelling) pie was the creation of a New Zealand chef at the Hungry Monk, a restaurant in Polegate (near Eastbourne, Sussex, England). The trick of it is the slow boiling of the unopened cans of condensed milk...a bit more than 2 hours I would think (compared to the previously quoted recipe).A useful tip I was told is once the condensed milk has been boiled to toffee like that it stays that way, so you can do a few cans at a time and keep them. Because once you've tried one you'll certainly want some more.
For those who don't like this sort of thing,I am sure there are lots of jolly nice recipes for things made out of bean sprouts and textured soya protein which do you very nearly as much good. .

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:10 PM

A little translation needed here? Biscuit = hard cookie, such as Oreo or shortbread? Flan dish = pie plate?
Greg, doesn't the boiled can ever explode?

Thanks for the tip Greg. Original banoffi: Banoffi

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: vectis
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:30 PM

As an East Sussex resident I agree with Greg. I thought it was invented at Litlington, 2 miles from Polegate though.
The recipe is spot on.
When on a diet eat smaller portions.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: weepiper
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:46 PM

Biscuit as in McVities Digestive Biscuit... um, not Oreos. I suppose shortbread would do.. A flan dish is the same as a pie plate I think. And the can doesn't explode because you pierce the top first to let the steam out.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 05:49 PM

I would prefer a deep fried mars bar to banoffee pie any day. I quite like deep fried mars mars. We tried them while I was at college and went through a phase of deep frying anything......

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:08 PM

No, dont pierce the can. Just make sure the pan youre simmering the cans in doesnt boil dry. Then they would explode. Open the can after youvedone the boiling, and youve let them cool. Youll find the runny toffeee inside. Yum yum.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 08:54 PM

YUK!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Helen
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 09:36 PM

We in Oz refer to the simmered condensed milk concoction as "caramel" and use it in caramel tarts, and especially in a chocolate-caramel slice biscuit - on a biscuit base, then the layer of caramel, then a layer of melted cholcolate. Refrigerate then try not to eat it all at once.

There is a suburb called Toronto here in Newcastle, Oz, and the residents tend to refer to it as "Tron-no", with the long emphasis on the first syllable.

Helen "bahnahnuh", "tomahto"

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Sep 02 - 09:38 PM

Well, it looks like Linda is making it for us tomorrow! If I'm still alive, I'll report back!

regarding "Hep"....nope, I don't mean hep cat....it's just a kind of joke on the way a lot of my musical heroes (Southern folk) say "help".

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 04:59 AM

The course before the deep-fried mars bar should be deep-fried haggis and black pudding served with a big portion of chips. All the frying should be done in dripping not this namby-pamby vegetable oil. It is quite permissable to have chips with the mars bar too !

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Trevor
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 06:59 AM

Helen made some once using the conny milk technique. She put it in the already full to bursting fridge. Unfortunately the fridge door embedded itself in the pie when she rammed it shut and next time she opened it the Banoffi was stuck to the door. It remained sticking out at 90 degrees from the door for about 15 seconds and then, very slowly, unpeeled itself and landed on the floor from where we had to remove it with a wallpaper scraper.

The start of Helen's Thixotropic Banoffi Pie legend.

When the right thread comes up I'll tell you about the Damson Glue incident........!

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 08:36 AM

Taste OK Trev?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Trevor
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 09:54 AM

Scerummy!!

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 10:09 AM

I want to hear the damson glue story.....please?

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 04:58 PM

On the 15th - TWO DAYS AGO, Rick wrote "Well, it looks like Linda is making it for us tomorrow! If I'm still alive, I'll report back!"

He would have eaten the pie yesterday, and I can't find anything he's posted since then. Frankly, I'm scared something has happened to poor Rick. There was that case of a woman in Wisconson who found out she was fine after delaying a physical exam for 25 years and celebrated by eating an entire bucket of extra crispy fried chicken topped off with a pint of Ben & Jerry's 'Cheeses Loves You' ice cream (it's cheesecake ice cream with fudge and caramel swirls). Even though her arteries had been as clean as a low D whistle, after this meal they slammed completely shut and she died instantly.

I'm just hoping this didn't happen to Rick. "Death By Chocolate" is one thing, but it would be humiliating to die from eating something with fruit in it.

Rick, ARE YOU OUT THERE??!!

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: alison
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 09:18 PM

oooohh I had forgotten about banoffee!!!!.........we can cheat over here and get caramel sauce already in a can.....

so easy recipe

put biscuit base in flan /pie dish (or use frozen shortcrust pastry)
put sliced bananas on top
open tin of caramel and pour over top
smother with cream
book in for next angiogram.......

yummmmmmmmmmm

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 11:57 PM

Just ate it...three helpings actually....ohhhhhhh, feeling sick.....oh my arteries......halucinating.....barrrfffff!!!

Well, OK, so I'm over-reacting a bit, but not by much. Yup it's delicious, and probably will take five years off my life.

We had a nice get together with friends tonight to say goodbye to Heather's sister Linda. Tomorrow she'll be headin' back to Glasgow. Had a great jam session...Myself, Mose Scarlett and Tony Quarrington.....buncha veterans pickin' themselves silly!

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Micca
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 09:44 AM

Rick, Thanks for the reminder of this, as a practicing type II diabetic the THOUGHT of it sent my blood sugar level into the red!!!!
A number of years ago We were at a Processional Giant get together in Sheffield UK with a bunch of Catalans, and they were eating chips with pieces of Kit Kat* broken over and mixed with the chips!!!



* Kit Kat is a (UK) 5 fingers of, chocolate covered, biscuit bar

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Col K
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 06:11 PM

Another delicacy from North of the border i.e.Scotland, a slice of Pizza deep fried in batter. I dare you to try it.

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 04:16 PM

Deep fried pizza? Surely you jest!!!

Just ate the rest of the Banoffee pie....it was a congealed mess wrapped in tinfoil....didn't care! Yummmmm....barfff!

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 19 Sep 02 - 07:35 PM

Just this: Ann Sather's, W. Belmont Avenue, Chicago. Check out their Banana Cream Pie if they're still there. Then come back and tell me about your Banoffee Pie. Hah!

Subject: RE: BS: BANOFFEE PIE: Food or fraud? Hep me!
From: MAG
Date: 20 Sep 02 - 02:16 AM

Ann Sather's was/is Scandinavian, yes? There is a lot of cuisine borrowing. Boy, they had great bread.