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BS: Smoking cigarettes

53 22 Oct 02 - 02:21 PM
Ed. 22 Oct 02 - 02:25 PM
GUEST,Paul "Mr. Wonderful" Orrndorff 22 Oct 02 - 02:32 PM
GUEST 22 Oct 02 - 02:34 PM
Joe Offer 22 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM
Giac 22 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM
GUEST 22 Oct 02 - 02:59 PM
GUEST,Mike Cahill 22 Oct 02 - 03:01 PM
Ed. 22 Oct 02 - 03:14 PM
artbrooks 22 Oct 02 - 03:32 PM
Little Hawk 22 Oct 02 - 04:07 PM
catspaw49 22 Oct 02 - 04:15 PM
alanabit 22 Oct 02 - 05:57 PM
Catherine Jayne 22 Oct 02 - 06:22 PM
Ed. 22 Oct 02 - 06:29 PM
maire-aine 22 Oct 02 - 06:39 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 22 Oct 02 - 07:30 PM
dorareever 22 Oct 02 - 07:39 PM
michaelr 22 Oct 02 - 08:47 PM
GUEST,leeneia 22 Oct 02 - 09:47 PM
GUEST,van lingle 22 Oct 02 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,London Non Smoker 22 Oct 02 - 10:16 PM
Don Firth 22 Oct 02 - 10:29 PM
Clinton Hammond 22 Oct 02 - 10:33 PM
Stephen L. Rich 22 Oct 02 - 10:35 PM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 02 - 12:11 AM
Stilly River Sage 23 Oct 02 - 12:58 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 23 Oct 02 - 12:59 AM
mack/misophist 23 Oct 02 - 02:48 AM
Gervase 23 Oct 02 - 03:01 AM
Dave Bryant 23 Oct 02 - 06:40 AM
Troll 23 Oct 02 - 08:05 AM
Mr Red 23 Oct 02 - 08:06 AM
mike the knife 23 Oct 02 - 08:22 AM
53 23 Oct 02 - 09:20 AM
Mooh 23 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM
GUEST 23 Oct 02 - 10:21 AM
Bagpuss 23 Oct 02 - 10:23 AM
53 23 Oct 02 - 10:26 AM
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Steve in Idaho 23 Oct 02 - 10:40 AM
53 23 Oct 02 - 10:43 AM
53 23 Oct 02 - 11:17 AM
Joe Offer 23 Oct 02 - 11:30 AM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 02 - 11:39 AM
53 23 Oct 02 - 12:00 PM
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Subject: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:21 PM

to smoke or not to smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Ed.
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:25 PM

Never starting is doubtlessly the best idea.

Sadly, I did. However much I know about what it's doing to my body, I do find it very pleasurable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,Paul "Mr. Wonderful" Orrndorff
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:32 PM

Well 53, of course, you should smoke cigarettes. How else can you so easily increase your chances of dying prematurely, make sure that you stink like a sewer, look old before your time and give large sums of money to multinational corporations and governments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:34 PM

Bob, of course you should smoke them, what else can you do with them? Eat them? Wear them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM

Well, a beautiful woman once told me that giving up cigarettes would improve my love life.
So I did.
And it did.
But not with her.

-Joe Offer, who quit in 1994-


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Giac
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM

Well, sir, I can't afford to set $150 afire each month.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 02:59 PM

The question that begins this thread has got to be the most moronic thing that I've ever seen on the Internet.

BTW, 53, the first letter of your first word should be capitalized and your question should end with a question mark rather than a period. Most people learn that in the first grade.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,Mike Cahill
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 03:01 PM

This thread must have something to do with the fact that advertising tobbaco in any form has just been banned (ban comes in force today) in this country (UK). For years the tobbaco companies have been saying that their ad's don't encorage people to smoke, but are just to convert existing smokers to their brand. This must be the only example of the ad industry saying their ad's don't work


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Ed.
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 03:14 PM

GUEST 02:59 PM,

If that's the most moronic thing that you've ever seen on the 'net, then your usage of the medium must be extremely limited.

Mike,

That's not what they're saying, but anway: I'm not sure about the adverts. I started smoking partly because '50s filmstars and '60s rock stars looked so cool, and all my heroes smoked. (Make no mistake, smoking did look cool, but dying at 30 is cool when you're 15)

Ed


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 03:32 PM

Not. I have enough bad habits as it is...but taking anonymous cheap shots has never been one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 04:07 PM

Yeah, funny how the movies are always promoting smoking, isn't it? Can anyone say "Payoff"?

I am happy to report that an old friend of mine has finally quit smoking (he's been on the wagon for 8 months). I never thought he'd manage it. He was a true chainsmoker, and used to cough for an hour each morning as a result of his habit.

He now is no longer coughing in the morning. Bravo, David!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 04:15 PM

If he no longer coughs upon arising, how does he get any exercise. I mean, it's hard to fit it in and when you smoke, yo DO get the mandatory exercise every morning.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: alanabit
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 05:57 PM

Wasn't flaming invented just to prove that there are dumber acivities than smoking?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 06:22 PM

Well I used to smoke. I gave up 4 months ago, I had a little lapse at Micca's birthday party which confirmed to me that I didn't like smoking or smelling like an ash tray. Personal choice.

Cat


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Ed.
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 06:29 PM

Addiction is somewhat hard to deal with. Dumb 'holier than thou' comments don't mke it any easier


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: maire-aine
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 06:39 PM

My cousin died yesterday, of lung cancer. He was 64 and had smoked ever since he was in high school. He was diagnosed 3 years ago, and had been in the hospital for the last 9 weeks. RIP, Bill.

I quit 16 months ago, and I felt better almost immediately.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 07:30 PM

This is the third time I have tried to post this message. It keeps falling into the "post-holes" that seem to have opened up around here since the upgrade. Anyway...

I smoked in my late teens and early 20's for the usual dubious young-person reasons. Then, at 25 or so, I made a deal with my then wife that if I would quit smoking I could spend the cig money on a new guitar. Got a D-35 Martin and stayed smoke-free for ten years. Then, I got divorced and started back smoking due to boredom and the fact that all the dateable women I met were smokers. Got remarried and continued to smoke for 5 or 6 more years. Then, I just started feeling bad all the time. Nothing particular, just sorta like having a flu that won't go away. I was on the verge of going to the doctor with it and I knew that the doctor would tell me to quit smoking anyway, so I decided to try quitting to see if that would make me feel better. It did, and I haven't smoked one in 6 or 7 years now. I still get the urge, particularly as most of the people I play music with regularly are smokers. But I've been able to resist it so far.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: dorareever
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 07:39 PM

Do what you want.

I don't smoke anymore,but if it wasn't for my stomach I would.Because I know I wouldn't smoke too much,just like I don't eat or drink do too much.
:-)

If you want to smoke smoke,if you don't,then don't.Simple as that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 08:47 PM

Wish it were that simple, dora...

I've been trying to quit for 6 years. Went for three months one time... then, kerplunk -- stress in my life, I fell off the wagon.

Nicotine is the most insidious addiction there is.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 09:47 PM

I have three brothers who have stopped smoking, so it can be done.

One told me that it helped to think about the benefits of quitting, rather than to dwell on the dangers of continuing. He said, for example, that after only a few days he could taste things again. So that is one word of wisdom - focus on the benefits.

Another friend quit when she joined a program run by the Seventh-Day Adventists. It worked even though she was a Presbyterian.

Some years ago, the tobacco companies changed the formulation of cigarettes so that smokers are now "free-basing" nicotine. (Don't ask me what that means exactly.) As a result, it is harder to quit. So if you want to quit and can't,don't be ashamed or defensive. Go to a doctor or the Lung Association or somewhere and get professional help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:00 PM

There's a very funny book about the tobacco lobby and the payoffs that Little Hawk was referring to called Thank You For Smoking by Christopher Buckley. vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,London Non Smoker
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:16 PM

I'd rather eat shit than smoke....It is disgusting and suicidal...now i've got that off my chest i'll get back to scoffing my bar of chocolate ..


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:29 PM

I quit in 1978 after smoking like a chimney for twenty-nine years. It often occurred to me as I sat there on the edge of the bed every morning trying to cough up a lung, "And I'm a singer. Now, if I were a clarinetist, would I blow hot smoke through my clarinet thirty or forty times a day?" It also occurred to me that a clarinet could probably take it a whole lot better than my larynx could.

And Joe, a beautiful woman once told me that giving up cigarettes would improve my love life.
So I did.
And it did.
I married her.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:33 PM

I got a steaming heap here you can start on London!

Go ahead... smoke...

Ya wanna live forever or somethin'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 10:35 PM

Sadly, I've been smoking for thirty years. I've been trying to quit for the last five or six. If you haven't taken up the habbit, DON'T!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:11 AM

Only the soul lives forever, Clinton. :-) As for your body, if you want to abuse it in order to have some fun, well, that's your business, of course. There are a number of other exciting and harmful activities I can recommend to you if you're not getting enough of a kick out of the ones you already enjoy.

I think it's quality of life rather than duration of it we should focus on here, given the fact that even a totally healthy person can still die at 20 if hit by a bus, etc...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:58 AM

Considering all of the body parts my mother had to have removed over the years due to ill health from smoking, anyone who was around her would be insane not to get the idea that smoking is bad for you. It annoyed me as a kid to have to sit next to her at the dinner table where the ubiquitous burning cigarette was in the tray between us. She smoked in our bedrooms even when we asked her not to. "It's my house, I'll smoke where I want." This from a woman who was a MSW working with abused children.

I was a "second-hand smoker" for 19 years until I could get out of there and breathe some clean air. We fought over it for years, and it was an issue that was never resolved before her death. Even though she had to quit cold turkey when the dacron arteries were surgically run from her abdomen to her legs so she wouldn't lose both legs to Buerger's Disease (may be a misplaced vowel in that spelling), she still defended the smoker's right to smoke where they wanted.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:59 AM

Only smoke the "GOOD STUFF"

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: mack/misophist
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 02:48 AM

Having smoked for 30 years. Having smoked 2.5-3 packs a day for 5 of those years, my advice is: if you don't do it, don't start. They've made it too damn expensive. If you smoke in moderation, don't worry about it. Unless every one in your family dies of cancer, the odds are in your favor. I had to quit but I'm sorry I did. There ARE rewards in tobacco. And sometimes a price. As the sargeant said outside the gates of Troy, 'Come on you bums, You wanna live forever?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 03:01 AM

That's half the trouble, Gargoyle. I've given up any number of times - the best being for seven months - but it's the 'good stuff' that gets me back onto the weed. I'll just have to hone my cooking skills, I suppose...


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 06:40 AM

It can't be THAT hard to give it up - one of my dumbest aquaintances has done it no less than EIGHT times !


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Troll
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 08:05 AM

I somked 3 to 5 packs a day for years. Then one day, I realized that I couldn't hit the high notes and that I spent a good hour each morning trying to cough up a lung. I threw a half-a-pack of cigaretts and a new Bic lighter out the car window (OK! OK!I'm a litterbug) and I haven't smoked since, And I haven't had one today. Yet.
After nearly 25 years I still crave tobacco and I probably will until the day I die. Still, I am smoke-free.
A few years later I gave up alcohol. With all that time on my hands, I discovered that I had more time to chase women.
It worked.
I caught one. We've been married 20 years last May.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 08:06 AM

NOT
IMHO
if starting - don't
if giving-up consider the ritualistic aspect and try to find a substitute. - sweets, dummy **BG**, doodling,
I used an attitude about someone else with an attitude about me smoking and that worked for me. It took him several weeks to notice I had quit most of which he continued with his attitude. And after that the focus of his attitude changed - he was a negative person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: mike the knife
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 08:22 AM

Don't start. I've been smoking off & on for 20 yrs. More on than off. Stupid, I know, & I've been cutting back. I do pretty well during the week, I don't smoke @ work, etc. but damn, when I get a pint in my hand on the weekends all bets are off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 09:20 AM

I quit 22 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Mooh
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM

Well Bob, I was wondering when you'd finish your first post...lol! Good that you quit!

My parents exposed me the second hand smoke for years and I do not remember a time when I didn't try desperately to avoid it. My bedroom, the cellar, outside...anywhere to get away from it. Family life was generally happy in our home but would have been much better if the folks had been more understanding about this issue. I left home before they quit, Dad because of a heart attack and dire warnings from healthcare professionals he respected, and Mom because she saw what it did to Dad, herself and others. It's weird to hear my mother express regret about smoking now, and she hates the very thought, sight, scent, and expense of it today. I realize in writing this that I'm still bitter...

There's an ongoing discussion in our local newspaper about public smoking, with input from some not very enlightened local bar staff. It's a pity that drinking, eating, and smoking are so much a combined social activity. Because of smoke we have to avoid otherwise decent restaurants, smoking "areas" being a ruse and a farse hereabouts.

Smoke has made me avoid gigging in bars too, and the risk to musicians (sometimes with their heads higher in the cloud on elevated stages) must not be discounted as an occupational hazard.

I never did figure out what made smoking cool.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:21 AM

to smoke or not to smoke.

-53, October 22, 2002

I quit 22 years ago.

-53, October 23, 2002

So, 53, if you were smart enough to quit 22 years ago, why would even ask the question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Bagpuss
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:23 AM

Maybe hes feeling tempted to start up again and needs a bit of encouragement?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:26 AM

Its just a talking thread to find out what everybody thinks about smoking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:26 AM

Approximately 26,000 Americans have died from smoking tobacco since the DC sniper murdered his first victim.

Approximately 1300 Americans have or will die today from smoking tobacco.

BTW, approximately another 30 Americans who have never smoked die each day from the effects of second hand smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:40 AM

GUEST - I think 53 just wanted to twist your tail. Glad he did - it's always inspiring to see the tables turned on occasion!!

Been three days for me on my last go round of quitting. Can't say I am happy about it - just made a deal with my partner. She exercises and I don't smoke. I've always found smoking to be pleasurable and have given it up many times. 5 years was my longest quit. In the past three years I've not smoked for 2 1/2 of those years.

I can tend towards fatalism at times and my favorite line, "No one is getting out of life alive" seems to be some form of justification to not worry about the effects of smoking (or anything else buggin me :-)). Hell - anyone who was bitten by a mosquito this year is going to die. But I must be honest about the quality of life that one can acquire from not smoking might be a motivator.

Bob - I'm just plumb proud to see you on the forum and doing so well - Bless you my friend.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 10:43 AM

Thanks Steve.


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Subject: BS: What kind do you smoke?
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:17 AM

Do you smoke regular or menthol cigarettes?
Hi, Bob - There's an existing thread on smoking that's already going, so I moved you there.
It's not quite fair to start a new thread on a topic when there's an existing discussion.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:30 AM

I used to smoke unfiltered Camels and Pall Malls in college, then filtered Marlboros, then generic filtered cigarettes. My mom smoked menthol cigarettes, and I'd scroung one every once in a while.
I'll scrounge a puff or two now and then, but haven't smoked an entire cigarette since February, 1994. Still every once in a while, I feel like it would be really nice to have a cigarette.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 11:39 AM

Like I said, this isn't about death. Everybody dies. It's about quality of life in between now and when you do eventually die...and it's about what you are doing to other people's quality of life due to your addiction. I thank God my parents did not smoke, because it certainly would have bothered me, and I might have ended up imitating them.

Cigarettes stink, and so, unfortunately, do smokers. How many beautiful women have I seen in my life whom I might have wanted to go out with, had they not smelled like ashtrays when you got up close to them? Yuck. Talk about being oblivious to the obvious...

I guess that sense of smell (and taste) become a bit stunted after one has been smoking awhile. Yeah, that must be it...

Note that all animals will retreat from the smell of cigarette smoke, and try to avoid it. Only people are stupid enough to inhale it. Same goes for marijuana smoke, by the way.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:00 PM

I get your smoke Joe, and I understand.   Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:03 PM

LH - Does this mean that you and I will not be taking sensual showers together? Dang it - just when you think it's all over - it starts again. ......

Wait didn't Willy Nelson sing that song?

BTW - I think I said that - but then again - thinking is just now starting to work on me again -

JUS JOKIN' wit cha LH!!!!

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 12:13 PM

As a practising asthmatic (I'm still polishing my skills), I avoid tobacco at all times and have never smoked an entire cigarette in my life. In my dizzy youth, when smoking was fashionable and I didn't realize why exercise made me wheeze and cringe with pain, I tried the odd butt, but I just didn't like it and never got hooked. Now, when I see the state of other people in the respirologist's waiting room, some of them years younger than I, I thank God and count my blessings.

My first husband was a fully addicted smoker in the European "what's your problem?" style. When he took himself and his attitudes off and out of my life, the smell of tobacco gradually vanished from the house. One of the clearest memories I have of that period is the feeling of relieved delight that came over me one day when realized, on entering the house, that it smelled only of soup, fresh ironing and just a hint of cat pee.

My sister-in-law, whom I love dearly, is a martyr to the weed; she has tried to quit at least yearly ever since I first met her more than 20 years ago. In fact, I love her so much I would even let her smoke in the house, but she conscientiously goes outside even in the dead of winter. Now, that's consideration.

They say that young teenage girls are the largest cohort of new smokers now, a statistic that bodes ill for initiatives against the various cancers that kill off women too young. All the pink ribbons in the world will achieve the square root of sweet fanny adams until somebody manages to make smoking unfashionalbe to young folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: 53
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 01:41 PM

I can still taste them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking cigarettes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 02 - 04:48 PM

Yes, young teenage girls are the biggest smoking contingent by far around here. Amazing, isn't it? I wrote this song once called "No Fool Like A Young Fool", doing a switch on the old expression.

- LH


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