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Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)

Tucson Roy 20 Jun 98 - 08:35 AM
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Subject: Moro de Cumpas
From: Tucson Roy
Date: 20 Jun 98 - 08:35 AM

Anybody know where to find the lyrics (in Spanish) to El Moro de Cumpas? (The arabian [horse] from cumpas). I know it's an epic about a famous horse race that took place just below the US border near Augua Prieta. All I've discovered on the Net is reference to a later movie that was based on the event.


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
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Date: 29 Jun 98 - 09:09 AM


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 05:43 PM

hols


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 05:55 PM

Is THIS what you're looking for? A Google on the title throws it up first.

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: EL MORO DE CUMPAS (Leonardo Yañez)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:49 PM

Copied from http://artsedge.kennedy-center.org/content/3742/3742_mexCor_yanezCor.pdf (and reformatted to emphasize the rhyme):

EL MORO DE CUMPAS
Leonardo Yañez

El diecisiete de marzo, a la ciudad de Agua Prieta vino gente de dondequiera;
vinieron a las carreras de Relámpago y El Moro, dos caballos de primera.

El Moro de Pedro Frisby era del pueblo de Cumpas, muy bonito y muy ligero.
El Relámpago era un zaino; era caballo de estima de su amo, Rafael Romero.

Cuando paseaban al Moro, se miraba tan bonito que empezaron a apostar.
Toda la gente decía que aquel caballo venía especialmente a ganar.

Cheques, billetes, y pesos le sobraron al de Cumpas el domingo en la mañana.
Por la tarde, las apuestas pasaron de cien mil pesos en esa Copacabana.

Aprovecharon la apuesta rancheros y ganaderos, obreros y campesinos,
cantineros y meseros, amigos y visitantes de pueblos circunvecinos.

Frank y Jesús Valenzuela taparon quince mil pesos con el zaino de Romero.
Decía el Puyo Morales, "Se me hace que con El Moro nos ganan todo el dinero."

Andaba Trini Ramírez también Chendo Valenzuela paseando ya los caballos:
dos corredores de faja, dos buscadores de triunfo, los dos eran buenos gallos.

Por fin dieron el Santiago, y El Moro salió adelante con la intención de ganar.
Ramírez le tupe al zaino y arriba de mediotaste dejaba El Moro pa' atrás.

Leonardo Yáñez, "El Nano," compositor del corrido, a todos pide disculpa.
Aquí se acabaron dudas ganó el zaino de Agua Prieta, y perdió El Moro de Cumpas.

[translation:]

On the seventeenth of March, to the city of Agua Prieta people came from all over;
They came to the races between Relámpago and El Moro, two first-class horses.

Pedro Frisby's Moro was from the town of Cumpas, very good-looking and very fast.
El Relámpago was a chestnut; he was the favorite horse of his owner, Rafael Romero.

When they exercised El Moro, he looked so handsome that people started to bet.
Everyone kept saying that that horse came especially to win.

Checks, bills, and coins were placed on the horse from Cumpas on Sunday morning.
By afternoon, the bets exceeded a hundred thousand pesos in that Copacabana.

The betting was taken advantage of by ranchers and cattlemen, workers and peasants,
Bartenders and waiters, friends and visitors from neighboring towns.

Frank and Jesús Valenzuela put fifteen thousand pesos on Romero's chestnut.
Puyo Morales said, "It seems to me that with El Moro they're going to win all our money."

Trini Ramírez and also Chendo Valenzuela walked along excercising the horses:
Two surcingle-style racers, two seekers after triumph, the two were real fighting cocks.

At last they started the race, and El Moro started off ahead intending to win.
Ramírez quirted the chestnut and halfway down the track he left the Moro behind.

Leonardo Yáñez, "El Nano," composer of this corrido, begs pardon of everyone.
There is no doubt that the chestnut from Agua Prieta won, and El Moro from Cumpas lost.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,lucia romero
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:56 AM

I would like some information about "Rafael Romero and the corrido "el moro de cumpas" Im rafael romero's great niece, my name is lucia romero and live in west covina c.a Im doing research on my heritage. I also have original pictures of rafael romero from 1920 &1921


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,J.G. Morales
Date: 03 Aug 06 - 01:56 PM

Lucia Romero,
I am from Douglas and related to Puyo Morales. The University of Arizona has several books on the Moro de Cumpas story. You should try you local universties.


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: GUEST,lucia romero
Date: 01 Jan 10 - 09:18 PM

Hello im back its been four years since i posted my question and still no answers. i havent really been doing my research but im a bit confused. are the pictures i have of rafael romero from the 1920 and 1921 those of rafael romero the man in the corrido moro de cumpas or is that his father . becouse the man in the picture seems to be in his early 20 s . my father ramon romero was born in 1921 and in the same picture i have juan romero, wich is my great grand father and of ramon romero wich is my grand father and rafael romero .if y anyone has any information that can be useful i would really appreciate it thank you lucia romero


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Jan 10 - 09:33 PM

Come on, Mudcatters. I know there is someone out in our membership who can help this woman. Time for the Mudcat magic to kick in.


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Jan 10 - 11:19 PM

I found this, at least from HERE:

The Copacabana was a very popular Restaurant/Night Club in the early/late Fifties. It was owned by Rafael Romero . On March 17, 1957 a now famous race was run by two well known horses, "El Relampago" ( Lightning) owned by Romero, and "El Moro", a horse owned by Pedro Frisby, of Cumpas. There had been a lot of sentiment over the two horses as to which was best, and on this day, it was settled. The race was held approx. half a mile due East of the Copacabana, on a dirt road out in the desert. Both sides of the dirt road were lined with people and cars. El Relampago was the winner, and thousands of dollars/pesos exchanged hands at the end. It became so famous that a Mexican movie was filmed with the title of " El Moro de Cumpas", with famous Mexican actor Antonio Aguilar starring in it; a song was also written, by the same title. The Copacabana was at the time situated right on the outskirts of Agua Prieta, but since then it burned down, and the location on this aerial view is approximate. Agua Prieta had a population of only about 12,000 at the time, but now has about 150,000 people living there, and that's why it's so hard to pinpoint the location. To see clips of the movie and to hear the song, google " El Moro de Cumpas" for different links

I will look for more.


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Jan 10 - 11:28 PM

There's a nice presentation of the song HERE.

More info with a picture of the horse HERE.


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Subject: RE: Moro de Cumpas
From: GUEST,Guest Rodolfo Ornelas
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 05:58 PM

My father was very close friend to Raul Romero son of Rafael Romero, the owner of was the zaino de agua prieta mexico. What happen to Raul Romero?? where is he at?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,lucia romero
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 05:23 AM

Hello here i am back again with still the same questions and sadly her to infor that since i last wrote to you my father Ramon romero passed away friday 3/5/2010 im still looking for answers and also would like to inform everybody from arizona that my father is no longer with us R.I. P pappi!!!! i will miss you dearly


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,gval
Date: 28 Sep 10 - 04:14 PM

hi I just stumbled on your thread. My gpa was Neponuceno Valenzuela. He was an avid horseman. He used to bronco bust in Mexico in his early 20's. He was the rider of Moro and never liked to speak of this race. I guess its because according to my father a lot of people believed it was a fixed race. According to my father his brothers and he had to get out of town asap! Its was a family joke that made him furious. Interesting note is "Cheno" is uncle to the american jockeys Ismael, Angel and Patrick Valenzuela. So who knows? All I know is I would have LOVED to be there!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,Darius Romero
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 09:03 PM

Hello my name is Darius Raul Romero,
   I am the son of Raul Romero who is the third son of Rafael Romero, the man of the corrido. It was really nice to have stumbled across this website. I was a bit confused about everything so I found out from my dad and after much debate we figured things out. From the beginning, Juan Romero Duran, had a son who was Rafael Romero Romo, he had four siblings the eldest being Rafael Romero Hoyos, the owner of Zaino and the one from the corrido. There were three other sibings Adalberto, Hector, and Ofelia. Adalberto passed away about two years ago and theres two living Hector and Ofelia. Rafael Romero Hoyos the man from the corrido and who is also my grandfather married Maria Durazo Coronado and they had nine kids Rafael, Rebecca, Raul, Ricardo, Rodolfo, Ruben, Reynaldo, Regina, and Rosella. Rodolfo and Reynaldo have passed away. My great grandfather, Rafael Romero Romo, had two brothers Francisco and Antonio and three sisters Margarita, Lola, and Fidela. To answer your question my grandfather was born September 9, 1914 so if the guy in the picture was in his early twenties that must mean it was my grandfathers dad Rafael Romero Romo. I am sorry to here about your father I will let everyone know that he past away. If you have other questions please feel free to email me at darius8686@hotmail.com.

    In regards to Rodolfo Ornelas my dad remembers your father very fondly but they have not communicated in over 25 years. He says that it would be nice to reconnect. He came to start practicing here in Phoenix, AZ. My email is darius8686@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 10:41 PM

hello my name is martha diaz thats my married name my last name is also romero my father is francisco romero i am rafael romero granddaughter from his second marriage. raul romero is my dads brother. i hope i can answer some of your questions and i am very sorry to hear from your father. thank you martha


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,EL Kaporal
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 12:08 AM

Hi my name is Edgar, We have always raced match races here in Arizona & Mexico and any one that does match races knows this story to some extent and I believe we are all fascinated and inspired by it, My dad says he met Trini Ramirez when they had to leave because people thought the race was fixed. Every year for the passed 5 years there has been a stakes Race "EL Moro de Cumpas" in Douglas and this year it's in Tucson at Rillito Race track and its tomorrow 2/20/2011.
I was there today for a different race and I was introduced to an 87 (and 88 next month) year old man "Chendo Valenzuela" the man that rode el zino. He said that he will be there tomorrow to see the race.
I was thinking today when I met him, it doesn't matter who wins the EL Moro de Cumpas stake race every year, people will only remember the original horses and jockeys.
Every year I look up information on this famous race to really get excited and into it, and I do don't know why but I do and finding this website and reading though all the comments is pretty cool..


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,EL Kaporal
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 04:41 PM

The person I meant to say was Trini Ramírez, the man the rode el zino.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,Lucia Romero
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 02:40 PM

Hi i havent been on here for a while but was glad to see a comment from Darius Romero. Thank you for the info im still a bit confussed . if you would like to see the pix i have of Juan Romero and Rafael Romero from 1919 and 1920 feel free to contact me at ilucyluz@yahoo.com im also on face book we are making a family tree and i have lots of cousins from Arizona on my face book page that would like to know about you Thank you and waiting to hear from you!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Moro de Cumpas (Leonardo Yañez)
From: GUEST,Hi
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 04:32 PM

I am Leonardo Yáñez grand son of el nano if you want the lyrics fron that song you can contact me on leo1265@hotmail.con


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