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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,wdyat24 Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:07 PM Forget the diets, you will worrey yourself thin and never remember yourself. YOU ARE YOU! Go with it!!!...but Father I want to sing!!! wdyat24 |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Forum Lurker Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:00 PM It's quite true that anyone will lose weight on a starvation diet, and for some people, that may be the better option than remaining at their current weight. Unfortunately, most starvation diets also lack essential nutrients besides calories. If you're going to crash diet, at least make sure that you're getting all of your vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes. That'll lose the weight, but then you need to make sure it stays off. For that, you need to find the right diet, which, as Mary Garvey has said, may take a lot of doing. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Feb 03 - 09:50 PM Sorry Harvey, I shouldn't have been so glib. Congrats to your uncle for surviving the ordeal. But what he went through in no way qualifies him to talk about the eating habits of overweight people. There is no doubt that one can lose weight in a prison camp. Four ounces of rice a day and work until you drop or you are shot. But is that healthy? Does it have anything to do with willpower or discipline? I don't think much of the diet industry, but for some people things like Slimfast and Weight Watchers do work. Its not just about losing weight. Its about being healthy and happy with the lifestyle that you have. There are a lot of things which can be as detrimental to health as obesity, including eating disorders and unhealthy diets. Life is about making choices and people have the right to choose that next beer or that nice juicy stake over the long term consequences of consuming it. GUEST,soon to be a member, If you are doing folk music then once people hear you play, your talent will be appreciated. Its up to you to get up and show people what you can do. If you want to be on "Americal Idol" start going to the gym because in pop music, how you look is often a bigger factor than talent. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,Guest Guest Guest Guest wdyat24 Date: 27 Feb 03 - 09:46 PM If you like to perform I'm sure your personality and talent will carry your weight. You gotta have faith in your mucical ability and forget about obsessing about your physical appearance. For gosh sakes!! Performance and talent shine through!!! You are not alone with feeling inadequate. Most superstars feel spasms of what you must be feeling...even me. wdyat24 |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: mg Date: 27 Feb 03 - 08:46 PM I sort of agree that you will lose weight at some level of caloric intake. And for some people, depending on the ratio of carbs, proteins, fats, etc., it is horribly low number of calories. Change the ratio and things improve. A question to ask if you can provide enough energy to get out of bed, work, etc. There is serious endocrinology going on here, and anyone who has been ridiculed for saying they have a metabolic problem has met with fools. It's all metabolic and has to do with insulin, insulin resistance etc...the whole process of diabetes. I know that I have a good case of insulin resistance...and I have yet to find the combination of foods that will allow me to lose weight and produce enough energy to get through a fairly cut-back lifestyle. And I am rarely hungry....but pretty low energy. So if a low-fat, low-protein diet doesn't work for you change your diet. Read the dreaded Dr. Atkins as well as Dr. Schwarzbein, Dr. Bernstein, the nurses' study, stuff coming out of Harvard by Dr. Willett and out of Stanford by Dr. ???? of syndrome X fame. mg |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Ebbie Date: 27 Feb 03 - 07:23 PM Harvey, it appears that the jury is still out on what finally causes weight gain and loss. Have you kept up on the confusing data coming out from the High Fat/Low Carb diets? Kind of like Quantum Physics- humankind evidently doesn't yet know it all. Humility befits us. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:59 PM Well said, Harvey What's the guesing that 'Jack the Sailor' is a greedy fat bastard? |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: harvey andrews Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:58 PM ps It seems reading the previous threads that people have got away again from the original question. Are we judged by appearances? In this society..YES! I'm overweight myself and though not too happy about it, don't wish to change my lifestyle enough to change that situation.Like an alcoholic, or a junkie. I suppose when and if it becomes a medical problem I will or I won't. I'm not being judgemental here, I'm just amazed at how gullible people are when faced with facts. My uncle faced them square on and drew conclusions. Then again a fence post in Australia turns in to the Virgin Mary. The human race is endlessly interesting, but also depressingly infuriating at times. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: harvey andrews Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM Jack I was passing on the opinion of my uncle who was in one.He just pointed out the simple fact that everyone has a calorie intake below which they lose weight irrespective of "metabolism", genetics or anything else. The same applies to people who claim an inability to lose weight. Cut the calories enough and it goes! This is the only diet that works.Anything else is an excuse.A whole industry is earning millions from people who do not wish to acknowledge this simple fact. My uncle lived it, saw it, and had no time for these charlatans. He called them "crooks". If that makes me the stupidest post on Mudcat..so be it. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Feb 03 - 06:01 PM I nominate this post Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: harvey andrews - PM Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:54 AM For an award for the most stupid post ever on the Mudcat. The thesis seems to be anyone can lose weight in a concentration camp. I would like to point out that massive amputations will get even faster results. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Art Thieme Date: 27 Feb 03 - 05:28 PM Men have it easier than women when large. Just a fact. We are "jolly", and women are, "Well, just look at her!!!" It was little consolation to me though to realize, one sad day, that a Douglas Fir tree with my circuferance was 110 feet tall. I never had much problem getting gigs. On the very day I lost 100 lbs., we took a picture of me for an LP cover. The company needed a photo for the back of the album, so they took one from their file. The photo on the back was a hundred pounds heavier than the one on the front-----and I'm still glad that old album went out of print. But I was always glad, if I was to be fat anyway, that I wasn't a woman. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Cluin Date: 27 Feb 03 - 02:22 PM Given up the other, have ye C? |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 27 Feb 03 - 02:16 PM "Being on stage is not unlike walking naked down the street!" I'd rather be on stage Heh |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: AggieD Date: 27 Feb 03 - 01:38 PM Rosie Hardman was such a wonderful singer that she made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end & she never seemed to have a problem getting the fellas either. Anyone know where she is now? |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Dave Bryant Date: 27 Feb 03 - 11:32 AM Of course the folk scene is size-ist - the touble is that all these skinny people let the side down (we really must fatten up the likes of Raphie). Where would the folk scene have been without performers of the stature of Brenda Wooten, Jim Couza, Shirley Hart, Rosie Hardman etc. I can remember a night with Cyril Tawney as the guest - when he was rather corpulent - the opposite of "The lean and unwashed Tiffy". Someone in the audience was heard to remark "If that belly was on a woman, I know what I'd say." Cyril retorted, "It was on a woman last night - what have you got to say lad ?" Finally every time I go to a session of UK Mudcatters, I always seem to hear "Sixteen Stones" or the "Chocolate Song"........ |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Kim C Date: 26 Feb 03 - 03:46 PM Being on stage is not unlike walking naked down the street! It is kinda scary up there. I guess we have to let what we do speak for itself. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Naemanson Date: 26 Feb 03 - 03:16 PM I'm 6'3" tall and weigh in at about 360 pounds. Very little of that is muscle. I have a big gut and it gets in my way all the time. I am tired of it but don't seem to be able to do anything about it. I can tell you from experience that it helps to have a good attitude. When I am in a good place in my head there isn't a person on Earth who can shake me. That hasn't been the case lately but I'm getting back there. Be that as it may, singing on stage is one of those places where you are easily cowed by others. You can't let that happen. You know you have talent and you know you can perform. Other people may have opinions but those are not yours and what they think can not hurt you unless you let it. Be yourself and know that you are pleasing the one person on Earth who really matters, you! The rest of us are secondary. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Beccy Date: 26 Feb 03 - 02:15 PM People come in all shapes and sizes... I'm one of those string beans- always have been and probably always will be- I have to get pregnant to gain weight (I'm on the 9 month weight gain plan, right now...) I have to say, I'd love to have a bit of meat on my bones. I think people who have some meat on 'em look healthy and gorgeous. Being heavy does not equal being slouch or being out of shape. My little sister is heavier than I am and she can hike circles around me. She's a wunderkind. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Kim C Date: 26 Feb 03 - 02:14 PM Actually..... Britney works out every day. She probably could lift the dog. So could Madonna. Shania Twain might be a better example. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,Ely Date: 26 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM I think it's idiotic, and I agree that the folk scene is more accepting than a lot of others, especially at the utterly amateur level at which I participate. I went to a folk/rock/Americana festival last fall that included a full range of "fame", from strictly local to international stars, and all of the well-known women looked alike. Young, thin, and blonde. Half of them couldn't even sing that well. By far the best acts all weekend were comparatively odd-looking, unsexy, local talents. These were performers who were extremely talented, hard-working (I've seen their tour schedules), and appreciative, so it's not as though they don't deserve to be famous. Of course, there are other factors that contribute to fame (such as willingness to turn to pop music, but that's another set of complaints), but it does raise your eyebrows. Personally, I don't care. I have a longstanding crush on a rockabilly musician from Austin who's built like Santa's grandson and has the voice of an angel. I've never been fat (I used to be "a little round", but my mother thankfully didn't tell me that until I'd lost 25 pounds), but Simon on "American Idol" would probably still tell me to lose weight if I wanted to be famous. On the other hand, I work for a veterinarian and I'd *love* to see Britney Spears try to lift an anaesthetized 80-pound golden retriever and carry it across the room to the surgery table. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: AggieD Date: 26 Feb 03 - 01:26 PM Having been overweight since a child, I am quite an expert on weight loss (or lack of it). I have been to see one of the top clinical dieticians in the UK & his opinion was that the only way for someone who has an inherited problem (both my parents come from families with obesity problems)is to diet for the whole of their lives. I know I have been there & done all the yo-yo diet bit & although I danced Morris, clog & folk for nearly 20 years still have a problem & I take a good walk every day. I have now been given a very low fat diet, which if stuck to will gradually lose weight, & believe me if you lose weight too fast, your body craves what it has missed & you soon lose heart & the weight just merrily piles back on. Gargoyle, shame you are such a stupid ar*****e, just being supercilious about weight does no intelligent person any credit. I have seen some fabulous performers, both thin & fat & I often wonder whether the thin ones don't look in need of a good meal. I think looking pasty & grey wrinkled & skinny is far more of a turn-off in a person, whether musician or not, than a bit of wobble. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: lloyd64 Date: 26 Feb 03 - 12:29 PM So Gargoyle is still around. I have not read a thread for over six months and what do I find, Gargoyle is still hanging around. I'm sorry to see that things never change. Bye folks. Lloyd 64 |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Kim C Date: 26 Feb 03 - 12:04 PM Yep. Ditto what everyone else said about self-confidence. If your size doesn't bother you, it won't bother anyone else who matters. Generally speaking, I have always been attracted to tall skinny men. I married one. But - here's a little-known secret. I think John Goodman is sexy. He has twinkly eyes, a sweet smile, a wonderful voice, and - guess what? - TONS of confidence and charisma. I saw a photo of him when he was a much younger, and smaller, actor - yes, he was good-looking, but it wasn't the same. Big John ROCKS! Before I got married I dated a large man. Dave wasn't what I would call fat, really, but he was large. And devastatingly handsome. I have a friend who writes incredibly witty songs and plays a mean clawhammer banjo. She's only about 4'8". I don't know exactly how tall she is because I never asked her, because I don't really care. I did overhear someone ask her once, though, and her answer was, "I think you can find something more interesting to ask me about." Size shouldn't matter, but some people are inconsiderate. Don't let them bother you. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: mg Date: 26 Feb 03 - 11:58 AM here is some information on metabolic body typing. If you need certain foods and don't get them, you will be at health risk. Just because someone else gets by with a different diet, doesn't mean you will. Hard for families to understand...but different family members might need different foods. http://www.mercola.com/2003/feb/26/metabolic_typing.htm I don't know what my perfect diet is. Very high protein, in fact the high purine proteins, high fats, high vegetables, almost no starches or sugars....I'm still not doing something right but I know how much more wrong I could be..I think I'm not eating often enough..also, if you are very hypoglycemic they say to try to get someone else to fix your meals..I find I did better when I ate lunch out almost every day since that is my worst time of the day. mg |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: MAG Date: 26 Feb 03 - 11:37 AM Er, Claire, what kind of bra keeps you in place for vigorous dancing? It sure ain't the athletic bras. -- MA |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Terry K Date: 26 Feb 03 - 01:49 AM I once read that heavy drinking is the worst thing for putting on weight, so I cut down dramatically, and nowadays I hardly ever read at all. cheers, Terry |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: JennyO Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:23 PM 'Onya Claire. Keep on clogging! Hey I just had an idea for the Silver Satin site - "Chubby Chic"! Jenny |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:59 PM People My Age People my age have started looking gross I cannot say all, and I shouldn't say most I've seen 'em in the grocery and I've seen 'em up close People my age have started looking gross People my age are showing some wear There's holes where their teeth was And their heads have gone bare Faces shrinking into fat And as for the mirror We won't be looking into that People my age have started looking gross Maybe not in Colorado or up the Silicon Coast Back in North Ontario I ate my poutine on toast Those were my first steps On the road to looking gross People my age are looking overripe Some are getting operations To tighten up what ain't tight What gravity's ruined They try to fix with a knife What's pleasant in the darkness Is plain scary in the light gross... ,-) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,Claire Date: 25 Feb 03 - 02:42 PM The original question is -have you felt slanted as a performer because of your weight. Since I started performing (12 or so years ago), I have regularly received comments about my weight, so I thought I would share them with you. I must be of that in between weight where people still think they can broach the subject. When I get on stage, I want it to be all about the music. I take precautions to feel good about the way that I look so I dress to my advantage - usually upscale from the crowd, in a skirt or dress (to mask a bit of my rounder parts). When I perform, I completely forget that I am bigger than the average person, which is sometimes hard, since one of the things I do is appalachian clogging (talk about bounce). I generally feel really attractive and I choose to assume that others can feel my pleasure in being there. Just how big am I? Give or take, I have weighed the same since high school, when I felt HUGE compared to my fellow class mates. Now, at 40, others have passed me by in the weight department and I am still muscular and stocky, pretty darn curvy, and not even close to skinny. I am of the opinion that you are what you are, and there is little you can do to change that if you eat reasonably and excercise reasonably, diet when need be, but then my body shape has stayed fairly stable throughout my life. The comments,,, A woman came up to me and told me that she found me inspiring because she never thought a woman of her size could enjoy clogging. A man repeatedly told me I should work out becuase with my "big" arms, I could get really cut. (just last week again, if fact) I have been told several times how "strong" my legs are and that they know someone else with big legs like me. Someone yelled, "what kind of bra do you where" after I had clogged. I sort of collect these gems! Whatever your shape - someone is inspired by it... and someone thinks your amazing or beautiful - just because you have the guts to put your heart on the line and to do something special. Someone may think your fat... oh well, their loss. Good luck and keep performing, Claire |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:29 PM Self confidence is the key to charisma, and there is no weight disqualification for charisma... unless you (the performer) have already disqualified yourself... by being susceptible, and weight is just one of the easy targets that the mean and agressive will zero in on... just look at the tabloids. The 'stars' are 'perfect' in many ways, that's why they are there... and yet smut and attempted invective follows them everywhere, just a few steps behind the ardent admirers... My point is, that tho the folk community is only slightly more judgemental than church in sunday's finest, There are still some stupid, snipy, competitive types... who will try to manipulate and castigate in order to 'remain on top'... actually that should read 'merely imagine the top', because there is no top... just us plains folk... ttr |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Abuwood Date: 25 Feb 03 - 11:58 AM I am a large lady, most UK clothes shops don't sell my size. I used to be really shy when singing, always stood at the back of the choir or behind the PA speakers. I recently learned a couple of bold songs about fat ladies, (16 stone & Every Inch a Lady) and these usually go down very well which has vastly improved my personal confidence. So I think a lot of it is in your head. When you look around there are always people bigger and smaller than you - God made us all different it would be boring if we were all the same! |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Rick Fielding Date: 25 Feb 03 - 11:34 AM "FOLK MUSIC IS THE CLUB THAT ADMITS EVERYBODY" * I have seen less blatant discrimination among the folk community than any group I've either been part of, or observed. It's obviously reflected (to some folks' great consternation) in the make-up and editorial content of the The Mudcat Forum. I could NEVER have been part of the "Rock community" when I was 15. Despite being a whizz-bang guitarist and decent singer, I simply wasn't "COOL". I was somewhat homely, about ten pounds overweight, and simply too shy to dance or move on stage at ALL! I WAS amazed that Roy Orbison had broken through, cuz he wuz REALLY dorky, but as we found out, the guy had ASTONISHING drive, and more weird talent to connect with lonely teen-agers that you could imagine. I sure couldn't have become part of the COUNTRY MUSIC SCENE, 'cause next to THEIR politics, I was a rootin' tootin' COMMIE! These were the "Post McCarthy" times remember. I could play well enough to have Merle Travis say "nice job", but when I was around Country artists I kept my politics to myself. There WAS a jazz scene in Montreal, but I was too young to get into bars, besides to this day my 'harmonic loves' tend to see anything 'post Bix' as "that weird new stuff". I LOVED listening to Bill Evans, Tristano, and Coltrane, but never on my best day did I have the chops to play it with skill. Besides....when I did ANY kind of dope, I'd just fall asleep. BUT THE FOLK MUSIC COMMUNITY? I was welcomed, and felt part of something for the first time in my life! Nobody cared if I was shy, was still learning social skills, and WASN'T MAINSTREAM. Tons of overweight folks in folk music.....and ya know what? It must be nice to get together with that "song-circle" once a week and not get dumped on, like the person has, during the week. (a close relative has fought a weight battle all her life, and her stories are very sad, even if you take a hard line like Greg is doing) Nope, all you need to belong to "The Folk Music Club" is A GOOD HEART. You can even be a Conservative (expect to be in the minority) like Jed and Doug, and .....YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLAY OR SING!! You can still be part of the scene by promoting shows running folk-clubs etc, or like my Gal Heather, being an "audience". The weight discrinination may begin again when someone LEAVES the folk community, for a "Mainstream Music" career, but "THE MAINSTREAM" is another issue entirely. It's fuelled strictly by profits....as folkies we don't have much control over that. But.......some folk like Rita MacNeil, Cass Elliot and a few others have broken through....guess it takes a lotta guts and a lotta talent as well as blind luck. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Feb 03 - 11:12 AM The only reason I don't get on with anyone is because of their attitiude. If I take a dislike for no obvious reason (and it happens sometimes) I make the effort to overcome it: it usually works. Steve |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Jim Colbert Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:57 AM When ya stick to the facts like you've just listed, youre right on the money. But making a statement like "Fat people lack stamina, patience, and self-discipline." only pisses people off. I too worked hard and lost 45 pounds, but to say i was lacking patience or self-discipline when I was larger is simply not true. Maybe in your case it was, but don't make it a blanket statement. I don't agree at all that weight-related prejudice is justified. You're talking about a decision made for your health's sake, and that's great, but how does that make someone a better person as far as, say, interpersonal or business relationships or the ability to perform music well? If someone I love and care about has poor dietary habits I want them to take care of themselves, but in the end it's their decision, and it doesn't flavor my opinion of them one way or another. A person can be skinny and still be quite an asshole, in my book. Jim |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:56 AM As a perfomer, you have to take responsibility for yourself and to put forward the best impression you can. Hold the phone-- I am not syaing, "Get skinny." What I AM saying is that you need to project self-confidence, even in the face of what may be true discrimination, and not victimhood. And if weight affects your needs as a performer (amounting to a disability), you just calmly say what you need. A lot of these issues are coming into visibility becuase our baby boomers are aging-- all of a suddent here is a need for mobility accommodation because there are quite a few creaky people around-- notice all the benches appearing in WalMart and more chairs in the department stores? Well, then, maybe you want to sit to perform, a lot of people do. As for the rest that seems discriminatory, deal with it. There will still be more opportunities than obstacles, and your job as a folkie is not to educate/blame/shame people with weight discrimination issues. There is at least one discrimination being practiced against every human being on the planet, but it doesn't have to govern our lives. Just get gigs and play them and let reality stand with those people, for itself. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: mack/misophist Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM I often assume too much background imformation and good will on the part of the people I'm writing to. It seems I've done it again. For centuries, peasants in cold climates starved through the winter, then did the heavy work of spring plowing and planting on an even skimpier diet than the one that got them through the winter. Under such conditions, a very slow metabolism is a strong survival factor. Get fat during the Spring and Fall and then starve it off. When I was younger and stronger, I did heavy labour loading and unloading vans of magazines. For over 2 years I fasted 2 days a week, being careful not to over eat on the other days. When I quit, I had lost......0 pounds. That's the kind of metabolism I'm talking about. It's quite common. Now that obesity is a health hazard, induced arthritis has made exercize problematic. A 400-500 calory per day liquid diet might take off the extra pounds in a year or so; I know from past experience I can't do that. The point is that some of us are DESIGNED to be fat. And there are no simple alternatives. PS My brother-in-law can't GAIN weight, unless it's muscle mass. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: smallpiper Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:50 AM I am overweight but am working on it. In order to loose the pounds I am actually having to eat more than normal - that is more in quantity and more of the right stuff - eating less is not necessarily the right solution. I have never been discriminated against in the world of folk music. Technically Gargoyle you are right but there is no need to be so smug about it - Plenty of people want to loose weight and telling them that they are lazy gits dosn't help them. I'm glad that you have lost so much and best of luck with the remaining excess baggage - just don't contribute to anyone elses eh! sincerely A fat Bastard :-) |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 25 Feb 03 - 10:17 AM
The FACTS are clear -
Being overweight has significant implications for your health.
Obesity is asociated with the development of:
diabetis
54 percent of all U.S. adults and 25 percent of the children are overweight.
Research has shown that even a modest reduction in weight 5 percent to 10 percent also can reduce other cardiovascular risk factors like high blood pressure, diabetes and elevated blood cholesterol.
Although medical conditions may play arole in obesity, for the majority of us obesity is the result of:
sedentary physical exercise Obesity can be treated through:
lifestyle strategies
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:44 AM I'm too fat to be a pop star and too thin to be a folkie (but time is on my side)just old and decrepit enough for blues and jazz! RtS |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Deni-C Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:38 AM There's weight descrimination and just about every other sort of discrimination everywhere. Don't let it get to you. wE had a lady at our club who wouldn't stand at the front becuase of her weight. She sang from the back of the room, and none of the people could see her without twisting round. But when she opened her mouth, this gorgeous, full voice came out. I'm glad she didn't let her worries about weight stop her singing.... Radio is comfortable....no worries about appearance there.... |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: JennyO Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:17 AM We'd better stay away from the "Fry me to the moon" thread! I could feel the pounds piling on just from reading it. I agree with Batgoddess. I find the folk community as a whole very accepting of all shapes and sizes. A number of our well-known and loved local performers and occasional singers are of rather large proportions, myself included. I have never noticed it affecting anyone's performance. That is just ridiculous. I know somebody who is obsessed with her weight and appearance, who worries that she will be finished as a performer soon through being seen as middle-aged and fat. She is not even overweight! She blames this if she is not accepted for a festival, or uses it as an excuse for just about anything that goes wrong. It's pathetic to watch, and says more about her own insecurity than anything else. When she starts to complain to big ole me about it, that's when I draw the line. I would like to lose some weight, though, and when I do, it will be a personal decision for the sake of my health, not in order to feel more accepted. I already have that acceptance in my community, I think, and I am very happy with it. Jenny |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: GUEST Date: 25 Feb 03 - 09:14 AM Why is it politically incorrect to kill yourself with tobacco and it's ok to kill your yourself with a fork. I don't get the double standard here. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: harvey andrews Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:54 AM A most politically incorrect point no doubt but certainly pertinent to the "metabolism" arguement to which I don't subscribe. I agree with the arguement that eating less leads to losing weight. It's simple, as my uncle once pointed out to me "There were no overweight prisoners in Buchenwald" In prisoner of war camps those prisoners who came in overweight soon lost it when placed on the same diet as others. My uncle was on the notorious Burma Railway project of the Japanese. Those who survived were all skeletons.He had no time for the "I can't lose weight because.." apologists. We can all lose weight if we wish by cutting our calorie intake. This is the only thing you need to know.Some of us may have a hereditary predisposition to store fat more easily than others. Therefore we should watch our intake even more closely.We can still be a healthy weight even though envying our friends who can eat the odd ice-cream and cake with no obvious problems. It should have no effect on how your music is perceived, but unfortunately it does. I know a great female performer whose backside is unfortunately massive. If she looked like the usual idea of feminine pulchritude she'd be a major name. It's not fair, but it's life as we know it Jim. |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bat Goddess Date: 25 Feb 03 - 07:40 AM I've never found a community as accepting of size as the folk community. I'm truly a goddess-shaped woman and have found that size just doesn't seem to register on anyone's consciousness. Linn |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Feb 03 - 04:56 AM Blame television! I don't think weight is a negative issue on UK tv today; inded, there have been some drama series where the good guys are all b-i-g. But I picked up on the US body semiology in tv and movies a long time ago. If there's a fat guy, he's thick: he's comic relief. If he's fat with a beard, he's a greedy bad guy. If he wears glasses he's a nerd (or an accountant) (If he's thin with a beard, he's a smart bad guy.) Remember the villain in "Jurassic Park"? A fat guy with a beard and glasses. Remember "Goonies"? The fat kid was greedy, cowardly, unreliable, treacherous; the fat bad guy let the other bad guys down. Teevision influences attitudes: kids see the way people behave and start to belive that's "normal". Steve |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Lanfranc Date: 25 Feb 03 - 04:05 AM Having been referred to by my Doctor as being "morbidly obese", and being a type 2 diabetic as well, I felt that something had to be done. So far in the past 12 months I have shed 70 pounds, primarily by reducing my beer intake to negligible levels, eschewing all junk food, most desserts, anything that contains more than 15gm of sugars per 100gm and switching to cooking with olive oil. At 6'4" tall, I could carry the weight better than most, but... My problems could well be hereditary in nature, my mother, father, both grandfathers and one grandmother were similarly afflicted by both obesity and diabetes (and all but my mother and grandmother were dead before they were the age I am now!). Nonetheless, diet and exercise can help to mitigate them. However, I have never been particularly aware that my size affected my reception as a singer and musician. I long ago accepted that the skinny, undernourished look was not achievable, and took heart from Burl Ives, Hamish Imlach, Luciano Pavarotti, Barry White et al. I seldom had "chicks" falling at my feet, but I still get a good number of embraces from middle-aged ladies, which, at my time of life, is probably a more realistic expectation! It is really all down to self image. Even now, I look at many of my contemporary friends who were lean and fit in their youth, played sport seriously and are now into hip replacements, knee operations and other painful procedures. We are all mortal, it's just the form that our mortality takes that differs. "There are few pleasures in this life that it is worth forgoing for the sake of an extra six months in a nursing home!" (John Mortimer - "Rumpole of the Bailey") Carpe diem Alan |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Mark Cohen Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:03 AM Israel Kamakawiwo'ole certainly wasn't thought less of a musician because of his size. But tipping the scales at over 700 pounds certainly had much to do with his dying at age 38. Wish I'd taken the opportunity to see him when he gave a concert in Hilo in '96. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Neighmond Date: 25 Feb 03 - 01:30 AM Look at my picture on the picture page- Chaz |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Bev and Jerry Date: 25 Feb 03 - 01:01 AM Gargoyle: The reason chicks are hitting on you has nothing to do with your weight. It's due to your sparkling personality and your uncanny ability to say the right thing at the right time. Sincerely, Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: WEIGHT discrimination in music world... From: Forum Lurker Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:55 AM I never intended to give advice. Like I said, I'm hardly an expert. I was inquiring, and I think you've given me all the information I needed. Thank you. |
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