Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03

Subject: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 04:50 PM

Naemanson and I are rolling down to NYC the weekend of April 12th to have good fun! We understand there's a shanty sing Saturday evening, 8 pm, at the Seamens Church on Front St. at the South Street Seaport. Neither of us has ever attended this event and we would welcome advice on how it is run. We both like to lead shanties and other sea songs but it's always useful to know upfront whether people take turns singing, or if only the most aggressive get to sing.

We'll actually be rolling into town Thursday evening, staying with my brother's family in Brooklyn. Maybe we can help organize another get-to-gether for Friday evening if anyone is interested.

Cheerily
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 04:54 PM

New York City! The Big Apple in April! Will the trees have leaves? Will the grass be green?

Charley, let's go down into the subway system and play music the poor, the weary, the huddled masses!

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 05:01 PM

Cherry blossoms at the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. A rare and beautiful sight.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 07:56 PM

I wonder if them New York gals still dance the polka?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Amos
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 08:53 PM

There's nothing in the world to beat Manhattan in the Spring, guys -- take a long stroll down Fifth into Washington Square, and then wiggle your way down to the Bowery from there. It's like visiting another universe, I tell ya.

A

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Suffet
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 06:33 AM

You are welcome to come to the Sunnyside Song Circle in Queens that day from 2:00 to 7:00 PM. It's just a short ride on the #7 subway train (Flushing Line) from Times Square or Grand Central to the 46th-Bliss Street stop in Sunnyside, and then less than a 5-minute walk to 41-05 47th Street (near Skillman Avenue). Call for directions 1-718-786-1533. All acoustic musical styles are welcome. Bring voices, instruments if you have them, and songs to share.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 08:00 AM

Thanks, Steve! We'll consider that but then there's also the "dancing chicken" in Chinatown. I bet Naemanson's never seen that!

Then there's Sahadi's Market on Atlantic Avenue. Walk in, inhale, and you're in seventh heaven.

Too bad Sloppy Louie's bit the dust...

Amos- you've still got time to fly out and join us.

Where's Chantyranger when we need him?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 08:48 AM

Aw, thanks, Charlie -- good of you to offer the ticket and all. :>)

A

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 09:31 AM

Is the Statan Island ferry still a nickle?

Amos- we're taking up a collection for you at the Jez Lowe concert on Friday. Maybe other Mudcatters will pledge, or maybe your neighbors would also like to help you to leave town...;~)

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: MMario
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 11:16 AM

*shudder*

NYC is # 2 on my list of "places I do not voluntarily visit"

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 11:46 AM

Gawrsh, ain't that the place with them big buildings and all those people? I ain't never seen sucha place before.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Franz S.
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:58 PM

Last time I was in NYC was with Charlie in 1963. Don't suppose McSorley's is anything like it was, if it still exists at all. Oh, well, enjoy your dreams of wine and roses.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: GUEST,Charley Noble at the farm
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:31 PM

Franz- McSorley's Ale House might be worth a visit. I kind of doubt that there is still sawdust on the floor, or cobwebs on the stuff decorating the shelves behind the bar. But maybe they still have the sharp cheddar, crackers and onions. Don't suppose the floor is carpeted now? Well, it certainly belongs in the seven wonders tour, along with the dancing chicken.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:54 PM

Brett has been to Little India with me - Jackson Heights. Try the Jackson Diner. It is where all the Indian families go for a night out. Try Masala Dosa. In fact, bring one back for me. Then head over to Suffet's. Wish I could join you. If you need a place to crash, call me in Portland. I have innumerable friends down there with extra bedrooms.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: InOBU
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 08:11 PM

Jackson Diner is the tops, although the little diners around it are all great... I get my plain Quaker togs made accross the street from the J.D. If you guys want to get together for lunch and a tune, lets do it, a mudcat trip to little India.
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Suffet
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 08:53 PM

Yes, the Jackson Diner! I grew up in Jackson Heights, and I remember when the JD was a plain old diner in its former location, about 200 feet north of where it now is. It's close to the 74th Street stop on the #7 Flushing Line train, just four east of the 46th-Bliss Street stop and the Sunnyside Song Circle. There are many fine and relatively inexpensive eateries along the route of the #7 as it winds its way through the Borough of Queens, starting with the Philly Smoke House barbecue joint near the Vernon-Jackson station and ending up with the dim sum houses at Main Street where the line ends. In between you will find Mexican, Irish, Filipino, Indian, Afghani, Thai, Cuban, Colombian, Peruvian, and what-not.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 09:02 PM

I do miss having 40 ethnic restaurants within walking distance of my house. But now I have a car and multiple spaces to park it.

Have fun guys!

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:35 AM

The ferry has been free for many years. How long since you've visited us? We generally do the chantey sing as a round robin. We dine at Radio Mexico before struggling 2 1/2 blocks over to the sing. Give a call to confirm and we'll know when to expect you. McSorley's still has the same food, etc. In fact, it's probably the same pieces of food that were there last time you came. The only difference is that the place's been integrated. Women at the bar and all that.

Drop me a PM for details. Eric

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:31 PM

I'll be tagging along at Charley's coat tails. It's his van, after all. So far all the ideas sound good to me. I want to meet Larry and see the Jackson Diner. I don't think Sinsull took me there. We had dinner at that Argentine place.

Of course, this all assumes I'm still living in the USA on April 12.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 02:22 PM

But I also need to drag Brett down to Coney Island for a Nathan's hotdog. There are so many important things to do!

So far Friday evening is embarrassingly vacant. We may have to ajourn to my niece's bar, the Last Exit on Atlantic Ave. and drown our sorrows.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:12 PM

Should I get a gig bag to carry my guitar around?

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Zhenya
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:50 PM

Here's a few NYC events going on Fri 4/11:

Irish (from the Blarney Star website)

APRIL 11: BRENDAN TONRA and DERMOT GROGAN (Sets at 9 and 10:30 P.M.)
The music of County Sligo is justly celebrated but "Sligo" fiddle and flute playing is really a regional style that overlaps the county borders. Brendan Tonra and Dermot Grogan, both from northeast Mayo, are great examples of this. Brendan is a fiddler whose rhythmic swing and intricate ornamentation will remind listeners of the great Sligo fiddlers who recorded in New York in years past. He's also a well-known composer, some of whose tunes are played by virtually all Irish musicians. Dermot is a marvelous flute player and button accordionist with a huge repertoire of tunes, including many of Brendan's originals. Piano accompaniment from Brendan's musical partner Helen Kisiel.


For addr/directions and all other info for this concert:

Blarney Star


Folk: (from Folk Legacy website)

Joe Hickerson


        
APR 11, 2003
8:00 PM        New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club, at the Wunsch Student Center, Polytechnic University at Metrotech Park, Brooklyn, NY.         Info: www.folkmusicny.org;
718/549-1344
(after 11 a.m.).


And for anything else that might be going on, here's a number from the Pinewoods folk music club site:

Call FolkFone, [phone] for a weekly listing of folk music concerts and events in and around New York City.

Hope you find something you like!
Zhenya

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:34 PM

Zhenya-

Thank you for the information on the Joe Hickerson concert. We'll forward that to my brother's family who is putting us up in Brooklyn.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM

I pointed out the Jackson Diner. It was across the street from the bindi store, the one with the sitar in the window.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: M.Ted
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:17 PM

Have fun, but don't try to play in the subway--you need a permit to do that--If you are in the mood for Broadway shows, I recommend Urinetown and Hairspray--

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 08:13 PM

Well, I will note that wherever I've parachuted into there has usually been one person locally who has been a key contact. In Australia it was Bob Bolton, in San Francisco Richard A. and Chantyranger, in Portland-West Genie/Barbara and Jonathan Lay. But I'm not sure who we should count on as our local guide/coordinater for NYC. Maybe it's just too big a nest of neighborhoods.

Sigh... Fortunately I used to visit the place when I was much younger and have the illusion that I can find my way around. My brother and I would come in on the train for Easter vacation and stay with my grandparents in Brooklyn Heights in a converted carriage house next to a fire station. The grandparents were both artists and did a great job of taking us to museums and for us exotic restaurants, and broadway shows which were always free for us because of their artistic connections.

We will follow up Eric's lead and plan to be at the Radio Mexico early Saturday evening on 4/12, but it really would be nice to know that someone else was planning to be there too.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Wotcha
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:22 PM

Been awhile since I went to one of the NYC sings ... they used to go round the circle in a relatively orderly fashion, although the order did break down once when everyone seemed to be getting ready for a concert the next day.


One NYC thing I found disconcerting: if you rely on using a cheat sheet, hide it from the guy next to you ... he'll end up singing the song before you get there!

Hey, "When this lousy war is over ..." maybe I'll truck up to NYC too.
Cheers,

Brian

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 02:29 AM

Often it's just a different version of the same song. We don't discourage variants. One evening, we ended up doing five songs about Bonapart because we could.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 08:27 AM

In San Francisco over 100 people, most of whom led songs, attended the shanty swap aboard the schooner Thayer. What kind of turnout should we expect in NYC for the April 12th swap?

It would be intriguing if we all took turns singing variations of the same song for the entire evening...;~)

How are the accoustics of the space? Is the shanty session the only thing going on or is there a TV with CNN/football blaring away? We used to sing songs one place where there was an active dart board, the field of fire of which transversed the circle. It was exciting...if you got the point!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: MMario
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 08:37 AM

More comfortable if you didn't get the point though, wasn't it?

ducking and running away

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 11:33 PM

We are the only thing going on in the cafeteria. Acoustics are reasonably OK. Attendance varies from 25 to 50 on any given month. About 1/3 of the people lead but almost everyone joings in.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 08:20 AM

Hey, Brett, don't forget to bring your "joings." Brett's got this small suitcase of rhytmn instruments and somewhere amidst his bones, rattles, and cow bells there must be some "joings."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 04:58 PM

"rhytHM" instruments!

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 04:06 PM

Oh, I forgot about the foo-foo band. I'll need to get that back from Nor & Eli's house. Charley, would you be so kind as to bring it to ma after the next rehearsal? Make sure Nor & Eli take out their rattles.

Thanks,

Brett

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:08 PM

Now there used to be a coffeehouse operating near my brother's place in Brooklyn near one corner of Prospect Park. Anyone know if it is still operating and what its format is like?

Looks like we'll be heading out to Brookhaven late Sunday afternoon for a song party with the Puleston family, a major source of my family's bawdy songs. It was way back in 1965 that I spent quality time with some of the younger members of that family, helping them sail back from the Bahamas to Chesapeake Bay. This should be a fine revival party!

We're still open for Friday evening suggestions, April 11th.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 09:16 AM

Refresh!

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 09:40 AM

Well, I finally heard from Jan (bilgerat) who facilitates the Chantey Sing. He suggests that those locals who come are all very nice people, each one saying "Please excuse me!" before bursting into song. BG

Brett's got a bum knee from his California adventures, so we'll probably take the van over from Brooklyn and park it in the lot across from the Seamen's Church Institute. We'll nose around the Sea Port, drool over the ships, and show up at Radio Mexico for din-din around 6-6:30 pm.

Still no suggestions for Friday night, other than gathering at my niece's pub on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, the Last Exit, which now that it's "non-smoking" will probably be closing soon.

Looks like great weather for our trip south Thursday. I've got a new set of charts, and Brett's a master at navigating. I can hardly wait till we find ourselves rolling through them New Jersey salt marshes.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 05:06 PM

Last time I ventured into the city I got lost twice. You sure you want me to navigate?

As far as the knee goes I just got a temporary handicap placard. We can now park in the nearby parking.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:13 PM

Havne't seen him around here in a while, but I am surprised no one's said anything about looking out for Liam's Brother aka Dan Milner. Maybe he'd have something going on Friday at South Street?

Sounds like a lot of fun!!

kat

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 12:17 PM

Oh well, it looks as though they perform on Sunday afternoons: Clickety. Still, it might be worth getting ahold of Dan anyway...he might know of something....:-)

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 03:32 PM

CHARLEY! You are missing my gig tommorow by 48 hours, ah well, I'll PM you my phone number, and I will show ya around a bit. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 12:32 AM

If you want to go on a really good guided tour of Ellis Island, a friend of mine has been leading tours out there since the late 1970s (we met when we were both NPS interpretive historians out there). He can get you to the island without having to wait in the long lines down at the Battery, a real plus when you have limited time in the city. I have mentioned on a Mudcat cookbook thread a cookbook I was helping to update--it's his, to do with recipes brought over by immigrants. The sale of the book is one of his business ventures. He leads private tours (there is a fee--I don't know what it is, but it's worth the money for the tour. Find a few folks to split the cost perhaps.)

Tom Bernardin has a site for the book and links to the tour and such. This link is for the tour.

SRS

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Suffet
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 06:44 AM

If you don't make it out to the far reaches of Long Island, think about coming to Queens.

The Sunnyside Song Circle is holding a rare Saturday session on 4/12/03 to avoid conflict with Palm Sunday. It's taking place from 2:00 to 7:00 PM at my house in Sunnyside, Queens, close to the #7 Flushing Line train and to several bus lines. Call me at 1-718-786-1533 for details, or e-mail me using this link: [e-mail]

We will be ending at 7:00 sharp, so people can go out for the evening. Bev Grant, for example, is at the Peoples' Voice Cafe in Manhattan that night.

As far as Friday 4/11/03 goes, Joe Hickerson is at Polytechnic University in downtown Brooklyn. He'll be appearing at Wunsch Hall Student Center, 2nd floor lounge, at 8:00 PM. General public admission is $13. The Polytechnic campus is Metrotech Center, very close to the Jay Street - Borough Hall subway station where several lines converge.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 08:48 AM

Steve- Bev Grant should not be missed; I still remember her song "Together, We Can Move Mountains" from the 1975-76 rent strike at Co-op City. Unfortunately, Saturday is already pretty well jammed. Thanks for posting this information. The Joe Hickerson Concert is a strong possibility; I know the location well and subway access, as you've mentioned, should not be a problem.

Kat- I've been in contact with Don and Bonnie, but thanks for the reminder.

Looks like we'll have great weather for the drive down. We should be rolling into Brooklyn around 5:30 pm, assuming my navigator can get an appropriate sight from the middle of the Triborough Bridge: "What, you can't see the Gowanus Canal?"

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 10:34 AM

Charley -- when you get back, we'll have to try out the song variant idea at The Press Room shanty session -- or songs with the same/similar verses or phrases. I'm sure with the voices and experience we encompass, we could fill the 4 hours.

Let's try it for kicks.

Have a grand time in the City! (But we'll miss you at the session.)

Linn

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 12:59 PM

I don't kow, Charley. This leg is getting worse and worse. I started using crutches today. And I called the doctor for painkillers.

I really want to go on this trip but I am starting to think I shouldn't.

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 01:05 PM

Brett: What needs to happen/be planned for, in order for you to be able to do this WITH the leg as it is? How could this be made to wrok, for you?

~S~

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 05:21 PM

Just talked to Brett and it looks like his knee is really in bad shape. Looks like I'll be winging this one solo. Damn, we were both looking forward to this. Now there'll be no one to chuckle when I miss the exit after the Whitestone Bridge...

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 07:14 PM

Ah, rats! That is really a bummer. Maybe you can bring him back a tacky touristy bit of kitsch? Seriously, am sorry to hear this. My son did some serious damage to his knee this past year and had to have surgery, which helped, but he is still working up to what it used to be through physical therapy, etc. Good luck on your trip and Naes, get better!

{{{{{Naes}}}}}

kat

Subject: RE: Naemanson/Charley Noble to NYC 4/12/03
From: Naemanson
Date: 10 Apr 03 - 08:55 AM

Thanaks for the hug, Kat. I am disappointed but the reality is that I wouldn't be able to enjoy the trip. Hell, I'm not getting much enjoyment out of my currrent routine now. And for those who know me and know about my battle with depression you should know that the black cloud has lifted and the sun is shining (except for the leg).