BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies

Subject: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:45 PM

Your government is depending on you to reject truth. In the U.S., most Americans are not able to understand that our country is now turning into a police state domestically while we abuse people and nations internationally. Really...most Americans are not capable of understanding what is going on because of a phenomenon called Cognitive Dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is an INCREDIBLY powerful phenomenon, and it is one that most governments are using against their citizens. 'America may not be perfect, but we have the best form of government there is' CANNOT be reconciled with the USA PATRIOT Act and the Homeland Security Bill. Those pieces of legislation are ANTI-American, but when the average citizen is presented with the PROOF of the treason committed by our legislators, a disconnect occurs. We've been taught to trust the government, that the government is good, and we therefore reject any suggestion that the govt would act against our interests.

People debate whether the disconnect is a product of 'having so much invested in the system,' but it's a lot more primal than that. This is fundamental, rat-in-the-maze psychology being used against us.

The NORAD Interceptor jets could ONLY have been held on the ground Sept 11, 2001 by the President or the on-duty Joint Chiefs that day, yet people are not able to address this issue. And it's not politics or patriotism which keeps people from asking questions, it's visceral. Most Americans CANNOT believe the truth.

Read about cognitive dissonance, then consider how many lies you've been told. The current world situation is a tissue of lies. 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' is a good example of cognitive dissonance in action...the name sounds American and democratic and positive, but the deed is dirty and money-grubbing and murderous.

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: michaelr
Date: 29 May 03 - 11:46 PM

DG, I agree with you. Now what are we going to do about it?

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 03 - 12:37 AM

Just make people aware of it, like I have. Other bulletin boards, other forums. I also e-mail a lot to editorial writers. It's amazing how uninformed a lot of those folks are, and bits like this can spark their interest, and they can reach millions at a time.

I've tried to focus on Sept 11 as the defining event in our modern history. It set into motion the final push to a nightmarish tyrannical world govt. But all that is SO much to absorb, I began wondering WHY it was too much to absorb and found this on cognitive dissonance. What a tool...the inability of the human mind to accept new information that threatens your worldview. So I'll spread the opening post around various places and meet with MUCH less hostility than I normally do, I'm sure. If you read the piece at the link, it makes perfect sense. To anyone, I would think. And that creates common ground from which we can start looking for solutions. But Sept 11 is still the moment when the globalists tore their pants. We just need to insist on an investigation, and the truth will come out. First, though, I guess people need to be led through a series of steps, and asked a few questions, so they can arrive at their own answers (Socratic method?). The MAGNITUDE of the Pentagon's crime on 9-11 is incomprehensible to normal, decent people, so the way I'll work to show people the truth behind the action is to first show them why their minds have rejected the obvious in the past. Make sense?

And I heard something cool yesterday about 9-11. GWBush was on the phone repeatedly to the FAA in the hour before the hijackings. Can't find the story yet, but it's out there somewhere if someone blew the whistle. What will de-rail the move to tyrannical govt in the US is that there are still too many good people in govt positions where they can do damage to the Nazis. Someone (if this story about the FAA is true), has access to Bush's phone records that day, and if he was on the horn to the FAA (out of hundreds of govts agencies) several times...that's just one more piece of damning evidence. And when people are ready to accept the possibility of Pentagon and White House terrorism...it'll be a good day.

Anyway, I think this cognitive dissonance thing explains a lot. Most of us have been brought up with values that are being abused enormously in plain sight...Hitler's big lie all over again. And this is the psychological mechanism by which the liars get away with it. Our minds shut down when faced with a horrible alternative.

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 03 - 07:04 AM

Lies can be comfortable and the truth can hurt and upset ones "world views". My brother Tim once commented something along the lines of "the Americans being friendly but the most brainwashed people he'd ever met".

This of course could not apply to all Americans but I do think that the fact that America is the most successful and powerful country in the world does create a "comfort zone" that Americans are reluctant to challenge.

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: Nerd
Date: 30 May 03 - 01:25 PM

Guest, I would agree that cognitive dissonance affects what most Americans will believe, but I'm not convinced that the government is "using" cognitive dissonance. It's not a technique, it's a phenomenon of the learning mind. Of course public schools will teach us that the American Government is good, and of course, American Governments will do things that are not good. Cognitive dissonance may result. But what steps is the government taking that they would not take if they didn't know about cognitive dissonance? In what sense are they actively employing it against us?

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 03 - 05:10 PM

The truth of the matter is the 'US government' has been taken over by international Organized Crime. White collar criminals, but organized crime nonetheless.

MEANWHILE, we are offered the usual 'choices' for the 'upcoming election'. But there IS no more choice in America. Pick Bush or Kerry or Clinton, all will continue on our current path. So THAT is where the disconnect comes in, in my opinion. We are taught about the 'two-party system' and voting, but it's all a diversion, and most people cling pathetically to what they were taught about 'liberals' vs 'conservatives', Dem vs Rep, etc.

And I believe the govt perpetrates this fraud in order to cover the true intentions of the people who wield power over our national leaders. If you are taught you only need to vote for the other party in order to change things, chances are you will never be able to unlearn that crap and accept the truth that there IS no alternative within the current electoral system. Both parties are controlled by Organized Crime, and both will continue with the dismantling of the U.S. Constitution in our downward spiral to total tyranny.

And, presented with the truth (obvious to any open mind who reviews the facts of Sept 11)...presented with the truth that our own govt carried out the attacks, people turn BACK TO the very govt which did the attacks. We should be booting them out of office, yet we aren't doing that. I believe that's a result of cognitive dissonance, but I could be wrong. And I believe (based on thousands of years of data of dictators creating 'terrorist threats' in order to strengthen their positions as 'protectors') our leaders know exactly what they're doing. They create the problem and offer themselves as the solution, and we do what's expected because we can't break our training.

That's the best I can do. I'm no shrink.

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 03 - 05:30 PM

Ever thought about seeing one, DG? :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 03 - 06:03 PM

YOU are an exception to the cognitive dissonance angle, Doug. Most people may not be able to accept the truth psychologically, but you not only accept it, you promulgate the lies. Why is that? The road we're on will lead to concentration camps and the extinction of your line. So why would you support it so enthusiastically? I mean, this isn't politics I'm talking about, it's survival of the species, yet you blithely stick 100% to a party line you know to be a self-annihilating lie. I can do without that kind of shrinkage.

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 03 - 06:13 PM

michaelr...here's a good example of what I do with editorialists and reporters. I marked this story for later...next week I'll contact this writer since she included an e-mail address. Her story is about the Butcher of Waco, Janet Reno. Reno compared the GOP to the Nazis. This from the woman who murdered my fellow Texans...

Reno spurs Boca's Democratic Club

By Pilar Ulibarri, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 29, 2003

DELRAY BEACH -- Former U.S. Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Janet Reno couldn't even walk through the front door of the South County Civic Center Wednesday without being swarmed by admirers.

The scene, which she seemed accustomed to, served her purpose: to motivate the Democratic Club of Greater Boca Raton to get organized, which she asserts the party must do to win the presidential election in 2004.

"We should be more organized than the Republicans who have traditionally out-organized us," Reno told the audience of about 60 people.

Joanne Goldfarb, of Delray Beach, said she needed just such a pep talk, just such a push to make her feel she can make a difference. That's why she was in the audience. She's taking small steps toward becoming an activist.

"I don't go to a lot of these things," Goldfarb said, referring to political events. "But Janet Reno is such an honest person that tells it like it is, even if I don't agree with everything, I can believe what she says."

One part of Reno's speech, which touched upon issues such as classroom sizes, health care and the criminal justice system, seemed to speak directly to Goldfarb. Reno spoke about visiting the Dachau concentration camp in Germany as a child and learning what had happened.

"I went back and asked my adult German friends, 'How could you let that happen?' " Reno said. "They said, 'We just stood by.' "

She looked right into the the audience and told them that's why she was there. She had no intention of just standing by.

"And don't you just stand by," Reno said.

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Ms Ulibarri will get a congenial but confrontational e-mail from me next week. I will do what I can to bring her up to speed on Reno's butchery and how it ties in to Sept 11, cognitive dissonance...don't know what all yet. I know this woman is probably just a junior staffer, but if she believes the Democrats are any better than the Republicans, she needs to be disabused of that notion quickly. And if I can just give her a GLIMPSE of the tyrannical govt which is IN HER FACE, maybe something she writes someday will turn the tide. Who knows?

Subject: RE: BS: Cognitive Dissonance and Govt Lies
From: hesperis
Date: 31 May 03 - 03:29 PM

Nerd said: "Of course public schools will teach us that the American Government is good"

Why is that an "of course"? School should teach one HOW to think, not WHAT to think.