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Subject: Anyone heard of Papermoon? From: GUEST,Susan L. Date: 15 Oct 03 - 06:07 PM I just received a request via e-mail from someone who claims to be a freelance journalist working for a German music magazine called "Papermoon". He said that he found me through a CBC link that I'm on and that he'd like me to mail him a CD for review in an upcoming (January) singer-songwriter edition. I can't seem to find any information on the internet about Papermoon. Has anyone ever heard of it? I'd hate to pass up an opportunity but it does seem a little odd that my searches haven't turned up anything. Has anyone ever heard of things like this not being legit or am I being too cynical? |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon? From: greg stephens Date: 15 Oct 03 - 06:10 PM Either it's legit, and you'll get a review out of it. Alternatively, it's not, but this guy wants your CD so badly, and he's so poor, that he's set up an elaborate con to acquire one. In which case, be flattered, and send him one. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon? From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 03 - 06:27 PM Thanks Greg. Good point. The only reason I was reluctant at all was because I had a request from a guy from Italy a few months ago who said he'd book me into some folk festivals. I sent him a package, he replied that he loved the CD and I haven't heard from him since. I couldn't imagine what harm it would do me other than CD and mailing costs but wondered if there was possibly something worse I hadn't heard of or thought of. I'm not paranoid, just worried about being a naive musician. Your point is a good one and unless I hear a good reason not to, I guess I'll send him a CD. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon? From: katlaughing Date: 16 Oct 03 - 01:20 AM HeyaSusan, why not email him back with a request for a link to the magzine's website? If he's legitimate he should be happy to comply. I did various searches on google and translating it to German (babelfish said it was still "papermoon" but I also had "magazine" in German) and searching on altavista came up with some sites, but my ltd. memory of high school German is not enough to figure them out. I DID find someone asking the same question about in 1999 at this site...with no definitive answer, though. Sorry. I also had google translate this Italian site, the translation is pretty odd, but it does look like a magazine which covers a variety fo subjects: Paper Moon I hope it turns out good for you and you sell lots more of those wonderful CDs. You deserve it with your talent and abilities! kat |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: katlaughing Date: 16 Oct 03 - 10:23 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 16 Oct 03 - 02:41 PM Hi Kat, Thanks for doing all that research for me. I actually did reply to the guy's e-mail and asked if he'd send me a link but haven't heard back from him. I find it more mysterious now having read that question about it on the link you sent me and not seeing any reply. I guess I should just take a chance, follow Greg's advice and send a CD. I suppose my question was really more general even though I didn't phrase it that way. Really, I'm wondering whether anyone's aware of any larger scam going on out there. I can't imagine what it might be, but as I said, I'm a songwriter and we're not the sharpest bulbs in the chandelier. It looks like the worst thing that can happen is that I'll lose a CD, mailing costs and a little bit of dignity. The best that can happen is that I'll get a review in a German music magazine. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:24 PM 'Papermoon' seems like a well chosen name. Wasn't that the film about little con tricksters? If that really is a German music magazine the guy could drop you another line explaining for instance that they are too small ot too local for a website. PM Susanne, she might know it if it exists at all. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 16 Oct 03 - 04:34 PM I took your advice to PM Susanne Wolfgang but there are two listed as members, Susanne D and Susanne (skw). Do you know which one I should contact? Thanks again everyone. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Oct 03 - 04:52 PM skw Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:37 PM I've PMd Susan with the info that I've never heard of a German mag of this name. Having read the thread I believe it is a ruse to get a CD out of you. Still, I'll put the question to the German folk mailing list. Maybe there is an obscure mag called Papermoon, though the name sent me thinking along the lines Wolfgang has set out ... |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 17 Oct 03 - 04:59 PM Hi Susanne, I got your PM. Thanks for responding. I still haven't received a response to my e-mail to this guy. I'm starting to think that it isn't legitimate. It would be simple enough for him to respond with a link or at least an explanation that there is no link. Let me know if you find anything on the German folk mailing list. I appreciate you taking the time. Greg suggested that if it's not legit, it might just be a big fan( wouldn't that be nice?)who's broke but it seems more likely that this guy might just have sent an e-mail to everyone on that CBC link to see how many free CDs he could get from artists. I'm not sure why someone would do this but I'm not sure why a lot of people do a lot of things. Again, it's not that big a deal but if that sort of thing is going on, it would be good for artists to be made aware of it. I'll await Susanne's results. Thanks everyone for your input and research. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: GUEST Date: 20 Oct 03 - 01:31 PM I got a similar letter, but it was not connected to CBC. It referenced a local songwriting organisation's website that I'm affiliated with. On one hand, the letter was unique which suggests that it is not a mass mailing, but I'm still suspicious. Mine is dated 10/6 and also refers to the January edition. The freelance writer's name is "Marco Langer". Ring any bells? |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Oct 03 - 01:40 PM Paper Moon? Sure....I've seen it. Hanging over a cardboard sea as I recall.............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 21 Oct 03 - 01:29 AM That's the name of my guy Guest- Marco Langer. It's dated 10-15. He hasn't replied to my e-mail so far. Did you send him a CD? |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magaz From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 21 Oct 03 - 06:53 AM A google search for "marco langer" found: http://home.oursites.net/marcolanger/ with a link to http://www.joyofcreating.org/ where L. Ron Hubbard is praised. Herr Langer confesses to be a Scientologist, a sect we Germans would describe as "schwindlig" = dizzy, with some associations to "swindle". Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magaz From: MudGuard Date: 21 Oct 03 - 07:35 AM Papermoon? Don't know it. Same goes for the German equivalent Papiermond. So with Susanne in the far north (near polar circle ;-) ), Wolfgang in the North, Wilfried more or less in the middle and me in the South we now have most of Germany covered (and most of German Mudcatters as well)... A google search on Papermoon gave some pages for a band by that name, some paper shops and so on, but not a music magazine. Papiermond brought up a poem with that title and again some paper selling shops... |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Wotcha Date: 21 Oct 03 - 12:04 PM I'll try to cover the Southwest bit of Germany ... maybe it's an impenetrable form of Schwabish dialect. Cheers, Brian |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 21 Oct 03 - 10:44 PM Judging from everyone's research and contributions, it seems pretty obvious that this guy's not on the up and up. I almost sent him a CD but I'm glad I went to the Mudcat first. It's not so much the free CD and mailing costs that bother me. It's the idea that he'd scam people like that and get their hopes up about a European review. I hope noone falls for this scam. Thanks to all the German Mudcatters and to everyone else for your help. The Mudcat really is a great place. Susan |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 21 Oct 03 - 11:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magaz From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 22 Oct 03 - 02:53 AM Hi Gargoyle! You see me a little bit baffled. "Einen Strich durch die Rechnung machen" makes no difficulties, but "durchreusen"? Did you want to say "durchreißen" = to tear in two, or did you find this word in the remote jungles of dialectology unknown to the sedentary linguist? Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 22 Oct 03 - 07:46 PM Sorry about not being back, but I have a technical problem, so my mails to the folkmail list haven't gone through. Still, I haven't found one person who was familiar with a German folk mag Papermoon. Think we can start calling it an urban myth ... |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 22 Oct 03 - 11:37 PM I think you're right. Thanks for trying Susanne. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Oct 03 - 12:16 AM Sorry Wilfried ...the tense was wrong.
In standard, old-time, USA...lime-light melodramas.....a standard verse of the villian was "Foiled (ruined) again!"
Its Germanic redering was weider nichts.
Sincerely, Gargoyule |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: alanabit Date: 23 Oct 03 - 05:03 AM I got reviewed in a few German Magazines, but I have never come across Paper Moon either. I live in Köln (Cologne) which is pretty central. Just about any magazine here would have some internet presence. I can't find anything for Paper Moon which looks remotely like a magazine. There are plenty of small, friendly magazines which will review your stuff, so I would not bother with this one, as it is not cheap to ship albums across continents! |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: GUEST,Gary Sill Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:34 PM I received an eMail from this person and have just replied, asking for a link to the magazine. Last year I had the good fortune to get quite a bit of airplay and as a result numerous requests for review copies came my way. I checked them all. About half were genuine. Most of the real writers included their magazine's contact info in the original eMail. It's work, but it saves you time and money to check these requests out. You also want to avoid making it easy for someone to re-manufacture and sell your review copies in quantity. It would seem that this is more common in Asian countries. Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: Susanl Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:51 PM Thanks Gary. That is exactly the sort of information I was looking for. I'll be much more careful in the future. I guess I couldn't see how anyone would use one of my CDs to their advantage but if someone on another continent sells it as an "import", they can probably make some money. I'm sure they'd have a song and dance about me being a prominent Canadian songwriter or something. I hope anyone on the Mudcat who isn't already aware of these people reads this thread. The fact that there was no link with his original e-mail did make me suspicious. But if there wasn't Mudcat to go to, I probably would have mailed him one just in case. I'm glad I didn't. |
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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of Papermoon - German Music Magazine? From: GUEST Date: 24 Oct 03 - 09:16 AM Marco Langer is also contacting musicians who are selling their CDs on CDBaby.com, as I am. I received an email from him less than 24 hours after my CD went on sale. Without further contact and clarification from Herr Langer, it would seem prudent to decline his request for a review copy. Not to disparage him in any way, but I think we all agree that more info is necessary. At the same time I received Langer's request for a CD copy, I received one from Ray Pieters in Belgium, who does a radio show called "Somewhere Beyond" on a station called Golden Flash. His link came right up in my browser, and he seems perfectly legit. Would anyone care to check out this link to see whether you concur? Thanks. http://www.goldenflash.be. You have to click on the word "Uitzendingen" in the left-hand navigation, and choose "Somewhere Beyond." By the way, my CD can be found at http://www.cdbaby.com/churchwell. Check it out! Jeff |
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