BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Chris Green
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:24 PM

He single-handed blows the theory of evolution out of the water merely by existing. Good news if you're a Creationist, I suppose. I suspect this may be how he got the right-wing fundamentalist vote! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:20 AM

Summary of accomplishments:
http://www.monkeydyne.com/bushresume/resume.html

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 06:28 PM

Wrong answer, GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 10:16 AM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Sam L
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 05:52 PM

Frehsd rucid ghdeb?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 04:19 PM

...but his ethics and morals do.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 02:35 PM

His socks don't sag.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 02:23 PM

Oh, dear, oh, dear. Who to believe?? Bushites have never lied to us before.

From Reuters:

"The broad outline had to do with allowing as many as 2,000 U.S. agents, whether FBI (news - web sites) or scientists, to visit Iraq and verify the absence of weapons of mass destruction," he said, adding it came to include turning over Abdul Rahman Yasin, wanted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

"This was to be in addition to concessions on oil deals for the United States, agreeing not to obstruct any U.S. peace deal in the Middle East and to having free elections within two years," he said.

Hage, an insurance executive educated in the United States, described the proposal as it unfolded to personal acquaintances in the Defense Department with the aim of reaching Richard Perle, an influential Pentagon adviser whom he himself met.

"I had met Richard through acquaintances in the past, and thought he'd be one of the people to pass it on to," he said of his March meeting with Perle, who he said seemed willing to at least hear the offer.

"He said he would meet with them but he needed approval of higher-ups in Washington," Hage said. "It came back that there was no interest in this proposal."

The White House said on Thursday it exhausted all peaceful opportunities before invading Iraq on March 20, without clarifying whether President Bush had been aware of the offer relayed by Hage.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:28 PM

I believed it; really I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:02 PM

thanks...glad you all liked it...every word of that story is true

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: InOBU
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 09:48 PM

Ah the question is what do we admire about him!? OhhhKayyy... let's see, no matter how big he screws up, nice folks with lots of cash cover up for him! Wouldn't we all like that to happen for us!?

Buttons would be pressed
rules would be broken,
strings would pulled
and magic words spoken,
invisable fingers would mold,
palaces of gold... (thanks Martin Carthy)

Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:32 PM

Sure! But remember, the decoder ring is only good for translating Fred Miller's posts into English.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:15 PM

Can I be one too? I have a hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:08 PM

You can get the badge, the hat and secret decoder ring, but you have to save up enough Wheaties boxtops.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Joybell
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:22 PM

He's made all of us Aussies sherrifs. Or is it deputies? I am still waiting for my badge and hat and horse. Also he makes a good buddy for our own Howard.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:00 PM

OK, so let's deal with the rephrased question I shall here posit: Given that George W Bush is a nice guy, which of his qualities do you most admire?

And if I may be so bold, I would like to say that I like his, uh, . . . back to you later.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 05:00 PM

as you can see in the beginning post to this thread, i quoted kendall's earlier question and then asked to leave the bias out and just give us some qualities to admire in GWB due to my own curiousity about that. i quote my original post beginning with kendall's quoted query...

"Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?"
that shows some personal bias from the questioner so let's leave that alone and just tell us the things to admire about GWB without referring to bill clinton, the democrats, liberals, hypocrisy, etc. is this possible, bushbuddies out there?"

pdq contradicts himself again, refusing to answer the "loaded" question (not the question i asked to begin the thread, by the way) after earlier claiming to have politely answered the question. so i guess there won't be any serious answers to my seemingly simple question. well, nevermind then...

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 04:16 PM

Amos-it sounded like that type of question to me, also. Thanks for the support. People who don't like GW can certainly vote against him. Only twelve months to go.....

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 03:55 PM

'Sawright, PDQ -- I imagine you haven't stopped beating your spouse, either.   Right? 'Fess up, now!! :>))


A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 03:39 PM

I think the bobcat story was worth wading through this whole thread.

With all due respect, the origional question was "Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?"

Again, that is such a loaded question that I will not give a direct answer to it. Ask me a question about biology and you have a very good chance of a direct answer. If you have a question about etymology please ask Don Firth, he is much better at that than I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 03:21 PM

sounds like pdq should go into politics himself. someone pose a question you can't/don't wish to answer? here's what to do...

1)"Kendall's question is more slander than question"//attack and delegitimize the question and questioner

2)" therefore, does not deserve a straight answer"//continue to attack the question

3)"It will not get one from me, so give up and stop asking."//challenge and admonish the questioner

4)"I also never claimed to have answered it."//deny actual printed words and obfuscate. this exchange began with posts on the thread entitled "what's worse than bush in 2004" and if you reread posts all from 11/3 at 8:17AM, 10:54AM, 1:31PM, and 1:50PM you;ll see that the question was asked,pdq again challenges kendall's veracity, claims to have answered his direct question (quoting from the post"i was trying to be polite and answer a direct question"). Now oppose previous statements in a bald-faced manner.

5)"If *your* question is "what is an admirable quality of George W. Bush"//make up your own question to answer with pre-digested talking point generalized campaign language like"he has attempted to be inclusive and has tried to bring people together."

6)"But, as someone said long ago, "it takes two to tango".//continue to refer to and denigrate opposition even when the question specifically asked for responses that were not relative to the opposition parties or people

so back to the original query "what should we admire about george bush?". i have removed partisan opinion from the question as stated in the original post and distilled it to its essence. well, waddaya t'ink?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:56 PM

A little exercise during the day usually means you sleep a lot more soundly. The trick, of course, is to get the bobcat to agree that there are alternative solutions to the problem, but if someone doesn't at least try, it'll never happen.

Speaking of cute, fuzzy animals, I like cocker spaniels. They are the very epitome of loyalty, even in the most trying of circumstances, and often to the least deserving (although this might be a questionable virtue). But one does kind of wonder what Laura might mutter to herself from time to time.

By the way, if something is written, it is libel, not slander. Slander is spoken rather than written. The best defense against charges of libel or slander is for the writer or speaker to show that what he has written or said is true. If it's true, it's not libel, no matter how much you may not like it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:53 PM

Bushie is a unifier, all right. It's what he said from the start. Was going to reach across the aisle, he said. I couldn't believe my perceptions when he kept saying that- and immediately started attacking the democrats. It was like he thought he could say anything but do the opposite and no one would hold him accountable. And he hasn't gotten any better. The bi-partisan bone is missing from his body.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM

Wow -- you got him wound up and running! Nice story, there, Nathan.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:23 PM

I've done that kendall...

I was staying at my cousin's place over in Plains, Montana.. and I had a wool blanket outside...cause i wanted to sleep underneath the stars...and it was a nice coolish summer night...and after having wrestling matches with the mosquitos I settled down to have me a sleep...Well, I got up in the middle of the night to have a leak and walked into the bushes a bit...and did my business...

well i go back to my blanket and there he was...the biggest the meanest bobcat that I have ever laid my eyes on...curled right up on my blanket. Well like I said this bastard was huge...he made Babe the blue ox look like a hairless toy poodle with horns...

But you know? I couldn't stand seeing this thing sleeping on MY blanket....not when I was needing it...so I marched right up to him and jumped upon his sleeping form...boy you should have heard that racket...the screeches and the yowls and the roars were loud enough to shake the entire town of Plains to the very foundations....so loud the hills came tumbling down into the Clark Fork River...and a once hilly countryside is now a marshy swamp....but anyways me and that cat must have been going at for four hours before we decided to take a breather...I had a few chuncks bitten out of me...some bald patches on my head...and a few other odds and ends...and that bobcat had a few chunks bitten out of him...and several missing tufts of hair throughout his body...a few of its sharp teeth were missing as well...

My gramma comes out of her trailer and tends to our bleeding wounds...and feeds and waters us....and then we go on for round two...biting and scratching and clawing and yowling, knocking the trees over...knocking over fences and boulders and whats left of the town of Plains...this goes on for another four hours or so....til we had to stop and rest some more...i had a couple of strands of hair on my body left...and a few more chunks of meat missing...the cat was missing a couple of claws that had been bitten off.....half of it's tail missing...an ear gone...and like me...the cat was almost completely hairless by this time...well...I looked at the cat...and then looked down at me...and just started chuckling...the cat looked at me funny for a bit and then started laughing too...I said you know this is ridiculous...we can BOTH share that blanket...the bobcat nodded it's head and we went down to the blanket (or what was left of it by this time) and slept....I tell you that was the best sleep I have ever gotten...

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:56 AM

Me blow a gasket? No way!

Trying to unify Iraq is like trying to pull a bobcat off a wool blanket.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:39 PM

Yes, that's true -- by tracking down and arresting the troublesome parts. It is important that Iraq be unified, and force works as well as anything else he's got.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:28 PM

you mean unify Iraq with the oil companies...

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:26 PM

Kendall- don't blow a gasket. Everybody in Mudcat loves 'ya. You know that. The origional postor was determined to get my opinion and he eventually got it. As you wisely said:
          "Be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:11 PM

He's tryin' to unify Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:10 PM

Inclusive? The United States has been more polarized since Junior got selected than it was (if my memory serves) through all the decade before. I grant you the nation was badly rattled by the 9-11-01 attacks but they could well have served as a unifying force rather than a jingoistic one. There's a world of difference.

Bush's campaigns have caused divisions over issues of wealth, issues of privilege, issues of gender, race and Gawd knows what all. I can't find any exam[pes of his seeking to unify. Can you offer some?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:07 PM

Given the thread title, I can't believe it went on this long...

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:58 PM

I ask for an opinon, I get accused of slander.

Slander is illegal. It is a specific legal term, just like murder. Abortion is not murder under the law. Giving an opinion of G. Bush is also not slander. Your disapproval is not a reason to stifle opinions. That was what they did in Russia, still do in dozens of countries such as China. That the kind of place you want to live in?
You like what that gang in Washington is doing? Will you still like it when the democrats come back and do it their way?
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:47 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......

Inclusive?

Just say *no*...

Like exactly who is included in his inclusiveness? The right winged war mongers. The rich folks, who always found ways to get abortions, who say "screw you" to everyone else. The Enrons, the Hallburtons, the Lockheed-Martins, the Harkin Energy's, the Christain Right who never made it to the New *friggin'* Testament, the Carl Roves, the Richard Pearl's, the Por-Choice folks who stole democracy?

Ahhhhh, what am I missin' here other than the complete derailment of Tom Jefferson's experienment? This ain't about gettin friggin' laid. It's about fascisim. Don't like the word then find yerseff another dictator to goose step behind....

That's the way it is...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:33 PM

Kendall's question is more slander than question and, therefore, does not deserve a straight answer. It will not get one from me, so give up and stop asking. I also never claimed to have answered it. If *your* question is "what is an admirable quality of George W. Bush", I will say that he has attempted to be inclusive and has tried to bring people together. But, as someone said long ago, "it takes two to tango".

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 08:57 PM

i didn't define "loser" pdq. that question was quoted from a post by kendall on the thread "what's worse than bush in 2004". that's the thread where you posted a claim that you answered a direct question from a post by kendall, when in fact that was the only direct question he posed and you did not attempt to answer it. i commented on that in a later post and you continued on never answering this direct question. if you get a break from finding me some capital letters maybe you could tell us about bush's admirable qualities (this is the direct question that this thread concerns) rather than commenting on his campaign results.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:52 PM

Don:

Whatz ya' got against "cocker spaniels"...

Deda:

Yeah, he may not stab himself in the cheek with a fork while eating, but keep the pretzels out of reach...

L.H.

Stick with the spirtuality of rocks which you know more about than anyone round this joint, but keep away from baseball... Our boy was purdy much given the team by his daddy and some of his daddies friends and then sold it fir whatever anyone would offer... In some circles that's smacks of money launderin'. *But*, no one got blown up, unlike his recent scrwups, so I reckon you gotta give the boy some credit fir that...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:51 PM

That's no way to talk about cocker spaniels, Don! For shame!!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 05:42 PM

Yep, Hilary is as sharp as a tack...

Hey, NW, how about the one I volunteered about baseball? Doesn't that count? The word for Teribus' posts is not "lengthy" but "interminable" if you ask me. :-)

Perhaps he has found gainful employment or something and no longer has the time to type 5,000 word essays on Mudcat.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 03:20 PM

He must have some redeeming features, because Laura seems like a nice lady (quiet, submissive, doesn't stand out much), and when he's giving a speech, she always sits there looking at him adoringly.

Of course, she may have the brain of a cocker spaniel. . . .

Don Firth
Now Hilary, on the other hand, has the brain of a potentially very good president. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 02:57 PM

pdq: Absolutely!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 02:09 PM

Good for you. The best part about venting on an internet site is that no one gets hurt!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:44 PM

I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!
I HAVE GOT ONE!

Ah, crap, I forge---no, got it again: His nose hairs don't show.

Thanks for waiting. I feel better, now.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:13 PM

Everywhere Bush campaigns people win. Every where Clinton campaigns people lose. Maybe ol' "NW" needs to revise the definition of "loser".

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 11:16 AM

He looks almost as good as a real pilot in that flight uniform. WOnder if he's still wearing it to bed...

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:43 AM

use a few for your name if you've got extras pdq.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:42 AM

He doesn't swagger around in a uniform ALL the time. (Of course once is rather more than enough.)

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 10:23 PM

No. But there are just enough of us to buy you some capital letters if we pool our resources.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 10:16 PM

can't any of the bushbuddies among the mudcatters come up with one admirable quality of this guy that is not relative to bill clinton, democrats, liberals, etc.? i recall lengthy posts during rthe run-up to the war by teribus, plenty of "me too!!" from dougr, many other defenders of this mans policies and procedures. surely there must be one among you to give us an objectivly quantifiable quality about him that we can all admire. well?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 10:04 PM

Good one, McGrath!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 08:30 PM

He hasn't thrown up at a State Banquet yet either, has he?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 08:18 PM

At least he doesn't smell.

He could be twins.

He has a job?


I give up

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: InOBU
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 07:30 PM

He floats?
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 07:08 PM

Dunno, Deda- I've never seen him eat, have you?? ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Deda
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 04:08 PM

He doesn't stab himself in the cheek with his fork when he eats. Well, maybe that's actually more of a shame than an admirable quality...

OK, I'm in the "I'm thinking" corner now.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 03:56 PM

The first verse says:
When over the lager in the mattino without color one get
looses the wind and dark door ices in the
cuor in the country of the sol,
all light and calor on its seggiolina, the Carlottina is.

Enjoy. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 03:34 PM

"...Tolling for the warrior whose strength is not to fight" There's a Dylan quote for everything.

Italian war heroes? There's a song by one of them he wrote in a German prison camp on this thread, looking for a translator from the Italian.

Bush? He's made the world know what a pretzel is. And he was just a heartbeat away from making it about the most well-loved delicacy on the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 03:05 PM

Thanks, Amergin, he'll get my vote. Of course, he likely won't run in Canada. Ah, well . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 03:00 PM

i found one...

he keeps eating pretzels....

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 01:06 PM

Ha! Yes, it's a really, really creepy feeling... He would have made a wonderful partner for Maggie Thatcher if she were a bit younger. Together they could have ruled the World!!! Oy!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 12:38 PM

You are actually thinking about Mike Harris? I wouldn't admit that out loud, if I were you!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 12:37 PM

I'm sure Bush has some other good qualities, but I just don't know the man that well...

Brian Mulroney had some good qualities too, but I wouldn't vote for him.

Mike Harris? Ummm.... Umm.... I'm thinkin'....

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: InOBU
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 08:44 AM

OH another good quality... in case of acedental poisoning, one can watch one of his speaches to bring up all the stuff in your tummy.

AND as to Italian war heros, there were all the heros who surendered who had fought on the side of facism, that act of surrender made them heros in my book!

Another good quality of GWB, is that if forces us to try really really hard to see that of God in everyone...
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 06:33 AM

LH, that was indeed a hacknyed statement, but it is famous for whatever reason and I only used it as an example. How about Italian sharpshooters? Hyberbole, thats all it was, no offense intended.
By the way, Saddam did not kick the inspectors out, they left of their own accord because he made their job difficult. I see a big difference, don't you?
And, if Bush was so successful as a baseball team owner, why did he sell it?

So far, my question still hasn't been answered.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 01:51 AM

Yeah, okay...

He loves baseball, and he did a great job running the baseball team in Texas (the Texas Rangers, was it?).

Kendall - Will you drop this hackneyed shit about "no Italian war heroes"? There were plenty of them, they just got no recognition whatsoever in Allied propaganda, and their country had too weak an economy to properly arm them...putting them in a wretched spot on the battlefield where they were usually outnumbered and always outgunned.

Here are some Italian heroes: the frogmen who penetrated Alexandria Harbour in their submersibles and sank 2 British battleships at their moorings, the soldiers who fought a virtually forgotten campaign with the British in central Africa, nearly winning it despite being basically cut off from supply, the bomber pilots who made the Royal Navy's life miserable flying the S.M.79 torpedo bombers in the Med (they sank a whole lot of Allied ships and suffered heavy losses doing it), the many Italian fighter pilots who became aces flying underarmed Italian aircraft against overwhelming odds from mid '42 on...

There were lots of Italian heroes. They did not lack courage, they lacked enough modern equipment, and they lacked an intelligent government, and they were in a war they should never have gotten into in the first place, but they were led by a glory-seeking idiot (Mussolini).

Not one of their names is remembered now outside of Italy...except by air history buffs such as myself.

(I am not Italian, I just know a lot about World War II, and I'm getting tired of this cliche being endlessly repeated.)

The oft-maligned French have also demonstrated tremendous courage under fire on more occasions than can be counted.

Yes, this is thread drift.

Back to the admirable qualities of George Bush...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: LadyJean
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 12:20 AM

I don't think he curses as much as Nixon.
He isn't senile of schizophrenic.
He's never sent me a rejection letter.
He's giving Molly Ivins something to write about.
He might make Howard Dean president.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:17 PM

Well, a pal of mine from Papua New Guinnie assures me that he likely would be tender and taste good, as he eats well and would likely taste a little better than most ham.

Also, he is friendly ... remember when he waved to Stevie Wonder? (OK I know that is an urban legenend, but it shows what a friendly guy he is...)

His daughters know how to party hearty? Or put more positivly, he has not let his own reform away from drugs and alcohol ruin his daughters fun?

He has all his major body parts.

He is a beacon to stupid people everywhere that even YOU can become the most powerful man in the world.

He makes it possible for people in 48 states to feel superior to Texas AND Kennybunkport Maine all at the same go (49 as Mainers can look down just at that little part of Maine...)

His is not frightningly tall.

If he contacts Altzhimer's... no one will notice and therefore, we will not worry about him as we do for Mr. Regan...

His speaches are less hateful than Adolf Hitlers....

He makes underachivers feel triumphant

He does not hunt eliphants or net dolphins or eat gorillas (at least I don't believe he does...)

He did not ride with Jesse James.

Forensic evidence rules him out as Jack the Ripper

He is not a theater critic.

HE DOES NOT PLAY THE BODHRAN!
Good night
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: freightdawg
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:13 PM

Kendall, having served as a sports official, I would say that every call is going to anger at least half of the crowd. However, don't make any call and you immediately anger 100% of the crowd. Any decision, especially one involving life and death, is especially open to second guessing from every armchair politician and wisecracker.

Kat, I would suggest that W doing what he did in Iraq has more to do with his Dad's not finishing up than any massive public opinion. The fact that public opinion is fading fast is an indication that W led the American people at a time when they were leaning toward finishing up with Saddam, but he made way too many errors in implementing his plan.

I am quite frankly stunned by the sudden turn of public opinion regarding the war. We fought for over 4 years (Europeans, even longer) in WWII and we had a sense of collective purpose. And it was only after the war that we had a complete picture of the evil that Hitler was capable of doing. I just wish some of those who think we are wasting our time over there would be able to talk to the Iraqis who no longer have to worry about death squads and their wives and children being raped and tortured.

Our best opportunity to achieve this was when Saddam threw the inspectors out when Clinton was President. He had every opportunity to achieve the goal of liberating the Iraqi people, but he did not have the political nerve.

I abhor the duplicity coming from the White House, but in the name of whoever or whatever you consider holy, let's be grateful the Iraqi people now have a chance for a stable future. And, most certainly, let us hope the reign of terror will quickly come to an end. I don't think that is a democratic or republican wish. Just a human one.

humbly,

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:51 PM

Well, it should be pointed out that inspite of his mom's confession that George has been a pain in the butt, she thinks that the dems, who want his job, are worse.... Hmmmmmm, wonder how many of the dems she had to bail outtta jail fir driving drunk?

Know who to call if I ever get busted...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:19 PM

He may outlive his PRESENT enemies, but history will be very unkind to this loser.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:15 PM

Yes, and may he outlive his enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Neighmond
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:59 PM

Mr. Bush's most admirable quality is that someday he, too, must die.

Chaz

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 07:31 PM

Sure, all you have to do is screw a few people out of enough money and you can build your own country club.
Without labor there is no capital, and boy, is labor taking a screwing these days. Not to mention veterans whom Bush promised to look after, and is now gutting funding for us.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 07:12 PM

Well If Lee Harvey Oswald was reincanated he would have a perfect target.

Ard M - remember - Oliver Cromwell was a Welshman, born Oliver ap Gwillym at Llanrhymney, a suburb of Cardiff.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: JenEllen
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 06:23 PM

Well, before his presidency, people had to pay good money to cable TV companies to see "Jackass" on MTV, now they can get it every night on local news for free....Who knew he would have cared so deeply for the common man?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:37 PM

He doesn't call his dick "Morris".

No silly, he calls it "Cheney."

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:11 PM

well, the shrub was clever enuf to find very smart underlings to front for him..Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice, Rove..etc...

Ya got that turned 'round just about three-hunnerd 'n sixty dee-grees, son.

Ol' Dumbya's the half-wit fronting for THEM!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 03:51 PM

I got one: He doesn't get pissed off when he's referred to as Dubya; but then, maybe he doesn't know that means him. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,Cotoneaster
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:54 PM

He doesn't govern Britian

- Oops - sorry my mistake.

Give me back the vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:51 PM

i'm still thinking....

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:44 PM

Bush's most admirable quality, imho, is that he shows us how little importance the American public places upon scholarship and conscience, the wellbeing of the advantages-challenged here at home, and honesty... when it comes to selecting it's politicians and statesmen... Bush is no 'stand alone', but a product of our ambiguous American culture, and what he represents is as confusing to me as Bartok... but by golly... he sure is teaching us alot about ourselves... R U listening John Q. Public? ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:41 PM

The correct way to go, Peter T, is to build your own country club. Then invite the people you like.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:24 PM

He is the quintessential country club member, standing around after 18 holes, drink in the hand, talking about tax relief, sharing stock tips, agreeing how fine black people are as servants, and the general laziness of the poor. I have listened to these people all my life, and unless you are very very patient, they turn you into a bomb-throwing anarchist.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:51 PM

I see in yesterday`s Observer that Bush and Blair prayed together before the invasion of Iraq, Christian fundamentalists are to be feared.    Bible thumpers always kill for the honour and glory of God, we still remember Cromwell. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:46 PM

Freightdawg, you remind me of that old saying.."Do something, even if it's wrong."
Alice, I have a close friend who worked at a Kennebunk hotel when Jeb and Dub were boys. They were, according to her, spoiled, nasty little bastards who used everyone like they were sub human.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: TIA
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:44 PM

Wolfowitz and company aren't looking smart right about now. They snorted in derision at those who predicted the immense cost and number of troops that would be required in Iraq. As it turns out, those whom they dismissed as "wildly off the mark" were right. So exactly how are they so smart?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:31 PM

I am not mature enough to be able to say I "like" Dubya as an individual--I dislike him intensely, and can't get past that smirk of his. But to be frank, it is telling that Molly Ivins who has written some of the most piercing (and funny) criticism of George W. Bush said it.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:18 PM

well, the shrub was clever enuf to find very smart underlings to front for him..Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice, Rove..etc....

....wait, maybe they found HIM..in which case, all I will say is that he is a very well-dressed puppet!

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:57 PM

freightdawg...the shrub the elder had a problem in not finishing up in the Middle East and he was in office before Clinton...

I, too, have read some of those reports of the political wind having everything to do with his policies.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:46 PM

ME? I never met the

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:45 PM

Ask Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:38 PM

So what does he call it?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:28 PM

Somehow I knew you would ask that exact question. Really. Actually, I work for the KGB and we have the White House bugged. We found out all those things about Clinton and fed them to the right-wing conspiracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:22 PM

PDQ:

How would you be knowing this, then? :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:09 PM

He doesn't call his dick "Morris".

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Alice
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:59 AM

As one of his elementary school teachers said, he was a little SOB when he was in her class, lording it over the other kids that his daddy was rich, and he's still an SOB in her opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Alice
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:57 AM

He was able to kick his cocaine habit. I think that's about as much as I can come up with that I could admire about him. The problem is, he seems to have not improved other aspects of his character.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: mack/misophist
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:51 AM

George W Bush is a man who stands by his friends through thick and through thin... As long as they happen to be CEO's of major corporations.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: TIA
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:43 AM

Actually, those who have been inside the White House inner circle come out reporting that aboslutely everything, everything, everything is based on the direction of the political wind. They report that there is no overriding foreign, nor domestic policy, only a continual re-election campaign.

I'll find the blickies to quotes for doubters.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:22 AM

That's what puzzles me - I can imagine, at least in theory, how someone might like the way he does the job, and think he's what America and the world needs right now - it takes all sorts. (For example, a lot of people here admired Thatcher, close to idolatry in some cases, but I think there were very few people actually "liked" her.)

But liking Bush - that's a bit mind-boggling. He'd be the kind of next door neighbour that would make me use the back door in case I ran into him, even if we shared the same political views down the line. That kind of remark by that lady there is the sort that brings it home how wide the Atlantic can be, because it seems pretty clear that is how a lot of Americans do see it.

...

However, looking on the bright side, he'll make a splendid effigy omn bonfire up and down England on the Fifth of November.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: freightdawg
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:19 AM

An old "Wizard of Id" (cartoon) strip ran like this. Two soldiers are marching in a long line. First soldier: "Are we advancing or retreating?" Second soldier: "Where's Sir Rodney?" First soldier: "In front." Second soldier: "Then we are retreating."

I may disagree with some of GWB's decisions. But at least he by God made them. He never sent out his flunkies with a hundred questionaires to find out which way the "political wind" was blowing before he decided whether to lead or to follow. Ridicule him if you want, that is one of the great freedoms we have in America that makes this country great.

I just wonder what would have happened if Clinton had the political nerve to take Osama bin Laden when he had the chance, but refused because he was advised that it would be seen a politically risky move in certain parts of the mid-East.

Remember Jimmy Carter?

I do disagree with some of GWB's decisions, come to think of it. At least he is a president that gives me that opportunity.

humbly,

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:14 AM

Affability doesn't cut it. Mister Hitler was once called charming in the American press. Any psycho worth his salt can muster up a persuasive social machine. That's no way to measure the merit of the man, or lack of it.

Peter: God grant you never get mad at me!! LOL!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:10 AM

Molly Ivins was on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me! (on NPR) over the weekend, and said that she find's Bush "affable." Not a good leader, mind you, but always affable. Her view is that grown-ups can like someone and still think "boy, is that ever a bad idea, he shouldn't be doing that job." Like Bush doing the presidency.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Beardy
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:51 AM

He's blind to criticism.

When he visits Britain from 19-21 November he will have to demonstrate this quality substantially. Demonstrations everywhere he goes and a mass rally in Trafalgar Square where a "statue" of him will be toppled. Should be fun!!

Stewart

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:16 AM

He's got one helluva smirk. (still)

He does a real good phony Texas shitkicker accent for a guy from Connecticut.

(PS: his wife gives librarians and educators a bad name)

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:16 AM

He has hopefully inspired a substantial number of non-voters to register and go to the polls - so they can vote his sorry ass outta the White House.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:00 AM

A great quote from someone responding to an opponent: "Your position is so ill thought out that it does not even constitute a point of view." George W is a quantity to which no qualities of any kind can adhere -- he is the absence of presence, a moral nullity, a void where a man should be, a blank canvas upon which his masters paint their dark pictures, a hamstrung puppet, a cavernous echo for other voices, an empty vessel into which foolishness is poured, pressed down, and overfloweth, a disappearing trick from a rabbitless hat, he is not worth the invisible ink spilt in describing the lack of a there, there.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:06 AM

Whenever I've seen his feet he's been wearing shoes.

His wife's a librarian.

He's never been found in the Tidal Basin with a stripper.

I don't think he smokes cigars, and if he chews tobacco he doesn't dribble it down his chin.

He is as good a President as Reagan ever was.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:06 AM

He is a pilot you say? The only thing he flew was the coop.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: BanjoRay
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 05:41 AM

He doesn't take up much room - in the corporeal sense.
Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: BlueJay
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 03:59 AM

He's managed to convince a majority of the American people that he is the right man for the job of President of the USA. That's some bullshit artist. It's like me saying I would be a good manager of our state's highways, when all I know is that there are stripes in the middle.

Some people have changed their minds, I only hope it's enough to keep this sawed-off little prick from winning another term. I am not optimistic. One lady I work with stated that the nine Democratic candidates should have been killed in the WTC disaster, because they voiced their opposition to the Shrub and his policies. I am very fearful for American society. Thanks, BlueJay

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:22 AM

Let me join you in that corner there, Amergin. This will take a little time. Admirable? That's stronger than neutral, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:15 AM

i'm still thinking....

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:01 AM

He's mortal?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 11:53 PM

Dubya gives good return on investment. Contributors gave his campaign $100,000,000+ to run for President in 2000. In less than 3 years, he gave them back $350,000,000,000+ in tax relief. That's a return of 3500 to 1 folks. You don't find investments like that everyday. Granted, the deficit will eventually have to be repaid, but by then someone else will be stuck with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 11:48 PM

Oh gosh, a folk hero...right here on this thread. Yer famus now. BTW, is that really the handle you want to be known by. Ain't too late to change, really. How 'bout Bruce M .... maybe....well, think 'bout it....

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 11:42 PM

He's not the Canadian Prime Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 10:42 PM

Thought this wuz gunna be a short thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:59 PM

C'mon Kendall, were looking for admirable traits here. Course he weren't no Admirable, just a pilot.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:51 PM

with a similar IQ

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:47 PM

He can take abuse from his detractors and keep on going. Kinda like the Eveready bunny or a good ol' Timex watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:42 PM

This will be the shortest list since the list of Italian war heros.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:42 PM

Yeah, his shirts do always look clean....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:41 PM

He can lie without blinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:38 PM

Admirable? He seems to wear a clean shirt every day and he seems to have a nice ranch, and he seems to have his pecker under control (or someone does, anyway).
He's toilet-trained, as far as I know.

He's not personally violent -- he likes to use others.

I'll get back to you on this. There might be a couple of other things....he shaves good...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:36 PM

He's good to his mother?

Subject: RE: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:34 PM

He lies well! Hey, Clinton didn't! It takes a very special person to stand before a camera an' lie so convincingly. Sure, every one listening is saying "He's lieing" to themselves but most also mutter, "Yeah, but its as if he believes it."

Bobert

Subject: BS: Admirable Qualities of GWBush
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:29 PM

since no one from the republican/GWB faction cared to answer the direct query posed by kendall in the thread "what's worse than bush in 2004" (tho pdq claimed he responded) i thought i'd start a thread on it and see if anyone could give a list of dubya's admirable qualities. i'm truly curious because personally i see nothing in his attitude, demeanor, resume, or policies that i would admire. this was the question from the previous thread...

"Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?"

that shows some personal bias from the questioner so let's leave that alone and just tell us the things to admire about GWB without referring to bill clinton, the democrats, liberals, hypocrisy, etc. is this possible, bushbuddies out there?