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Rick Fielding 18 Nov 03 - 09:47 PM
Bobert 18 Nov 03 - 09:53 PM
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Subject: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 09:47 PM

Just saw this the other night and wondered if anyone else caught it. It's a new documentary film perporting to show that The Yanks had to fake the moon landing film because the technology wasn't yet up to date in 1969 and they needed proof.

I came in the middle of it and for about twenty minutes I believed it was legit AND convincing. They had interviews with Rumsfeld Haig Eagleburger, etc. ALL discussing Nixon's OKing the plan to Blackmail Stanley Kubrick into doing it for them. (Shades of "Wag the Dog") After a bit I realized it was a spoof, but oh boy was this well done. Not funny and satirical like Spinal Tap, but sincere, and earnest and suposedly made by Europeans.

They couldn't resist one absolute joke at the end though......in a peace of (fake) grainy black and white footage, a truck drives fleetingly past a hi-way sign that announces "George W Bush Centre for Military Intelligence 15 miles"!

I was actually in Newfoundland singing when the actual moon landing took place, and about twenty of us sat in the lobby of the Welcome Hotel (I've already described the rope fire escape) and watched it on TV.

I was the ONLY ONE in the room who believed it was legit!

The Newfoundlanders chuckled at how easily a "Mainlander" could be taken in, ha ha.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 09:53 PM

What moon landing?......

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 10:07 PM

Geeze, Rick, it's nice to hear the fresh innocent sound of your ingenuous voice back on the 'Cat!!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 10:47 PM

Sounds like a good movie, Rick. I read some interesting material on the moon landing and discovered this: although the moon landing itself most certainly did occur, NASA may have also created a certain number of faked photos on Earth (in order to get good clear shots of this or that hypothetical situation on the moon), as well as having plenty of real photos, some of which were not too good. In so doing they unwittingly created clues for moon landing debunkers who figure...well, if a few photos ARE fakes...then by golly, the whole thing was a fake!!!

Further to that, there may have been some revelations on the moon itself that NASA absolutely did not want the public to know about, and they may have altered certain photos and censored certain things on account of that...thus providing more grist for the rumour mill and the debunkers...

I said "may have". It's very intriguing.

Those Newfoundlanders amaze me. Reminds me of the farmer back in the 1800's who refused to believe in giraffes even after he'd seen them in the New York City zoo.

There's no greater ego gratification than thinking one is smarter than most other people...God knows...   I've basked in that feeling any number of times.   :-) (it's tricky)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Gypsy
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 10:54 PM

Watch Capricorn One, sometime. Based on that very premise. Found it 'specially amusing, since my father was one of the people who designed the rockets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 10:59 PM

Of course they altered the photos. The originals clearly showed the planes of Flight 19 in a pile in the bottom of Tycho Crater.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 11:10 PM

Which flight was that? The one with the Avenger bombers that vanished in the Caribbean?


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 03 - 11:14 PM

LH: So, they've got you believing that one, too? Giraffes, I mean. Next you'll be thinking the platypus is real. "When will they ever learn, when . . .".


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: rangeroger
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 12:03 AM

I found Flight 19

rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 12:25 AM

So... you gonna buy `em, rr?


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: rangeroger
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 01:11 AM

I don't know. At $100,000 to 140,000 a piece it might be a bit tough. I wonder if they would take a half-mil for the lot?

rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 05:19 AM

There's some gullible idiots out there who believe that George Bush is a real human being.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 08:48 AM

I was at a horse show when they landed. Funny, I never even heard of the faked landing theory until years later.

I guess some people must have thought it was a really boring attempt at a "War of the Worlds" type show done on television.
When I finally saw the landing on TV later in the day:
Float ,float, down, down, "Houston, yada,yada" down,down,...DOINK...
Door opens...climb, climb, climb, jump,...plop..."One Small Step For Man..." and one pretty big hop, when you miss that last rung. (That didn't happen?! Musta been in the out-takes.)

Orson Welles would have done better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 01:49 PM

I think it was called "The Far Side (or "Dark Side") of the Moon." Hope it gets shown in the States but I doubt it. They ran it on a program called "The Passionate Eye" which usually shows documentaries that only make it to Film Festivals. Believe me....MANY folks would be convinced it was authentic......the obvious jokes are well hidden.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 02:35 PM

Many links to moon landing conspiracy theories

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is a documentary which claims to include footage of the Apollo 11 crew falsifying photos.

And Debunked Evidence, including how vibrations were what caused the flag wave.

There's a link to the Fortean Times article "The Dark Side of the Moon Landings," but the page seems to be gone. The Fortean Times is fun though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: MAG
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 03:31 PM

I first heard this theory from this REdneck Reggae guy in Florida.

There are always gonna be people who test reality to see how plastic they can make it. This is the stuff of demagogues. The patriarchs in my family wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the nose. For example, my father still swears to this day that his father didn't drink -- that his mother got the whole family on the pledge. Meanwhile my aunt and uncle got a big chuckle out of keeping cold beer hidden in their frig for when Grampy was over. this is the same uncle who tried to convert me to the Holocaust Hoax theory and believes we are descended from Scottish bluebloods, even though our ancestors were lowlanders. (ie, anti-laird bourgeois).

End of rant. Until serious inroads are made on the mountains of denial here in the U.S., demagogues can push a gullible public any way they want.

OK, this is really the end of rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 04:31 PM

Hey...Rick! I am ticked man...cos I did not get to see you play that time in Blind River when you stripped buck naked and all that and played Stariway to Heaven. Geez! I always miss the good stuff eh? I dont belieeve Little Hawk...I think it really was you. Totally cool!

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 07:47 PM

I agree with Jeri. If they realy had faked it, the pictures would have been better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 08:06 PM

The actual proof we did land and walk on the moon came, oddly enough, from an unmanned Soviet probe, the only one that the Russians ever landed safely on the moon, all others having crashed. This probe sampled both soil and air samples and picked up trace quantities of methane in the moon's limited atmosphere. This was not necessarily thought to be of human origins until spectrograph analysis showed it to be the results of Tang farts.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 08:21 PM

Noone has quite the same flair for turning trivia into scatology!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 09:43 PM

G'day Rick,

It is interesting to hear all the discussion of "... faking space/moon movie coverage to make it look 'better'.' I remember the discussions in the photographic journals of the 1960s - when the real angsy was over the fact that most of the non-US world believed Russian footage was 'real' ... but did believe US footage because it was too clear, and sharp - and thus it was suspected that it was from a Hollywood sound lot.

A detailed analysis of the Russian take, in one magazine, suggested that, while they had certainly done the space flights and 'space-walks' ... they had filmed what was distributed in murky practice tanks ... to present what was then perceived as reality ... whereas it is dead simple to get sharp, clear, well exposed photography/film in space (apart from the immense difficulty of getting there - and surviving) because the light is constant, predictable, sharp and abundant. Basically, it only requires a box camera (which is what they configured their "Space-Hasselblads" as!) or the cine equivalent.

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 10:19 PM

So....both poor quality pictures AND crystal clear pictures are proof of fakery? Is this what I'm hearing? Or is it the reverse of that? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 11:05 PM

I think it's the reverse, Little Hawk.:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 11:39 PM

Little Hawk, yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Nov 03 - 11:57 PM

Six o' one, haffadozen of th'other.
It's a cross between a bull bitch and a window shutter, short by only a half of an eighth of a sixteenth of an inch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Joybell
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 04:41 PM

We saw the program several months ago down here. It was the flag blowing in the wind up there on the moon that conviced me - until I remembered it was April Fools Day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: M.Ted
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 06:23 PM

I don't know about the rest of it, but the "George Bush Center for Miltary Intelligence" sign is real enough, I see it everytime I drive down the George Washington Parkway. It is funny, too, though..


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Dead Horse
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:16 PM

Columbus.
Big fake.
Never got to the other side.
Would have fallen off the edge.
Pretty good con trick, tho.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Nov 03 - 03:53 PM

Hey Rick - BINGO!
"I watched The Passionate Eye tonight, which featured the fake documentary, "Dark Side Of The Moon", written and directed by William Karel. It's a brilliant mock-umentary, not unlike Peter (LOTR) Jackson's Forgotten Silver. I'm sure more than a few people watching it across Canada actually believed it, even with opening and closing remarks from the host, Michaelle Jean, who made it rather clear that the film is a hoax."
And:
"The film, originally titled Opération Lune, is made more realistic by the appearances of Kubrick's widow, Christiane, her brother (and Kubrick's exec producer of his last five films), Jan Harlan, and - get this - Donald Rumsfeld, Alexander Haig, Richard Helms, Lawrence Eagleburger, and - yes - Henry Kissinger, all playing "themselves" in the movie."
But that's ALL I could find on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Nov 03 - 06:16 PM

MAG,

Some people are so far in DeNile, dey are in de Mediterranean...

The "George Bush Center for Miltary Intelligence" sign is of course from the previous president's era, and is shown regularly in a mulitpart doco on The CIA: Secret Wars, seen recently here in Australia.

The "Moon" doco was shot by a French team. It was shown here several times in Aus on SBS. Never in April Though... Watch after the credits... if you haven't woken up after watching those shots, you must have some sort of religious type need to believe that the landings were faked... By the time we got to the footage of the CIA agents (negroes) infiltrating Thailand so well that the locals could not tell the difference, I was rolling on the floor... Sad thing, I was prepared to believe that the CIA agents could TRULY BELIEVE the locals couldn't tell, but then I have always loved Capt Flag in MASH...
"Everybody close your eyes - nobody ever sees me leave" .... CRASH!

As any good "leg puller" story teller (and there are quite a good few on Mudcat!) will tell you, building up the chain of believability to get people sucked in is the whole key.

Also, there's a nice shot of what looks like a guy standing in front of the Statue of Liberty, and talking about going up the road to somewhere in France - I do believe the original (part scale) sculptured model by the artist for the US Statue is still on public display somewhere in France. Apparently the Lady was supposed to be erected as a gift to the Suez Canal, but they rejected it - so the US got a recycled monument... :-)

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Nov 03 - 06:35 PM

Pedantia: Rick said it was the "George W. Bush Center for..."
Actually, he said "Centre" witch definitely is "not quite right" even if you don't think there was a double-oxymoron on the sign. So was it Dubya, or Daddy? (Not incredibly important - just curious.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Nov 03 - 06:57 PM

I'll let a US citizen say it for best impact, as I'm an Aussie - but it is my understanding that the sign refers to the FIRST George Bush..

I do believe he was employed by the CIA in some capacity years before his Presidency.

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 01:51 PM

And why should a Canadian be expected to adopt strange American spellings such as "center"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 02:01 PM

McGrath, doesn't the thought of a George W. Bush Centre for Military Intelligence IN CANADA strike you as a bit odd?

M.Ted however has revealed that this place (or perhaps just the sign?) actually exists. Truth is stranger than fiction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 04:07 PM

He was correcting a typo which is fairly widespread in some places...


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 11:56 AM

Well, it IS supposed to deal in intelligence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Amazing FAKE documentary on Moon Landing
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 02:02 PM

It was on again and it was easier to tell that Rummy et all, although reminiscing about Nixon were definitely talking about something ELSE!

Cheers.

Rick


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