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Subject: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleontheaof the universe Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:54 AM tell me.. i need to understand something that has been far away for too long.. potaotu |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Morticia Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:59 AM What kind of love? That of a friend, a child, a partner, a parent? They are all different aspects of the same thing, though I suppose. Love, very simply defined, is,IMO, putting the wellbeing of the loved person above your own....up to and including laying down your life for theirs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:11 AM A chemical and hormonal imbalance that completely fucks up your whole day, or life if you allow it to control you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:15 AM What is this thing called love? What is this thing called, love? What! Is this thing called love? :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bassic Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:21 AM And then there is the "In love" part of it. The feelings that would normaly be seen as inapropriate towards a child or parent, but are also more than just sexual lust. The incredible intimacy and feeling of being "one" with another person. Suffocating for some people but hugely fulfilling and rewarding for many others. An almost purely emotional bond that has little or nothing to do with logic or duty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,weerover Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM Failure to score any points in tennis wr |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bassic Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM And then there is this................... WHAT IS LOVE? Lyrics I love you whether or not you love me I love you even if you think that I don't Sometimes I find you doubt my love for you, but I don't mind Why should I mind, Why should I mind Chorus What is Love anyway, does anybody love anybody anyway What is Love anyway, does anybody love anybody anyway Can anybody love anyone so much that they will never fear Never worry never be sad The answer is they cannot love this much nobody can This is why I don't mind you doubting And maybe love is letting people be just what they want to be The door always must be left unlocked To love when circumstance may lead someone away from you And not to spend the time just doubting Howard Jones |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleontheaof the universe Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:35 AM thanks guys.. these words are nectar to my.. er ears pimpleotaotu |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: MarkS Date: 16 Jan 04 - 09:02 AM According to the old song What is love? Five feet of heaven in a ponytail The cutest ponytail That sways with a wiggle when she walks Anybody remember the group? I don't. After all, the song is almost as old as I am Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *daylia* Date: 16 Jan 04 - 09:14 AM Love is a soft warm purring contented A cold beer on a hot day? Music without tears? Nah ... love is whatever it's understood to be at any given moment ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: kendall Date: 16 Jan 04 - 09:19 AM definition of perfect love A tennis game between Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Chief Chaos Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:08 AM Jonhn Lennon's thoughts on the subject: Love Love is real, real is love Love is feeling, feeling love Love is wanting to be loved Love is touch, touch is love Love is reaching, reaching love Love is asking to be loved Love is you You and me Love is knowing We can be Love is free, free is love Love is living, living love Love is needing to be loved I hope you find what you're looking for, I did 15.5 years ago. I wouldn't have made it this long without her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: mack/misophist Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:36 AM Morticia had it almost dead on. The great researcher, Harry Harlow, once said that love is a condition where another's happiness is a prerequisit to one's own. After years of thought, the only possibly improvement I can see would be to add 'and welfare' to the quote. If you do, though, keep in mind that the other person has to be the only judge of what that is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: CarolC Date: 16 Jan 04 - 11:26 AM I experience it as an energy frequency. I can choose to align myself with that frequency or not. If I align myself with that frequency, I radiate it outward and others can experience it as well. Everybody can do this, whether or not there are others around for them to share it with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 16 Jan 04 - 01:00 PM A scale of attitudes ranging from complete coexistence without hindrance, through the interposition of various barriers such as space and time down to complete invisibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Justa Picker Date: 16 Jan 04 - 01:19 PM Title of a Howard Jones song. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Boab D Date: 16 Jan 04 - 01:47 PM Thr feling that you get when you with out knowing it or understanding why you become a prick and change from the person who the other liked you for to the fanny that you become. Well maybe thats just what I do and I shouldn't but in reallity I think that love (between a man and a woman)is when you can look that person in the eye and not be frightened of what they think of you and that they know all the bad about you as well as all the good and accept you for it. More importantly they are the same with you. Complete honesty, trust and intimacy Dylan |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Homeless Date: 16 Jan 04 - 01:48 PM MarkS- The group was The Playmates. lyrics |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bill D Date: 16 Jan 04 - 03:05 PM In 1964, I got an "A" on a psychology paper about love, in which I mentioned Morty's basic definition, so I'm sure it must be right! (The basic premise of the paper was to dispute a current pop-psychology book which claimed that no one could experience 'romantic love' with more than one person at a time) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Jan 04 - 03:33 PM What is love? An elusive thing, The joys of which, the poets sing. To some its all, it's pure perfection To others it's just, a mental erection. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST, heric Date: 16 Jan 04 - 03:42 PM Love can be many more things than altruism, too. It can be a celebration of the universal spirit, thereby permitting uncalculated joy from the good luck of others. It can also foster compassion and forgiving, with or without altruistic effects. Lesser "love," as Little Hawk pointed out elsewhere recently, is usually a social contract with a host of conditions, or the biochemical disturbances referenced above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 16 Jan 04 - 03:57 PM If it's all the same to everyone, I think I'll pass on the "willing to die for" bit. "Willing to be made somewhat uncomfortable for" is okay. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 04 - 04:15 PM its wonderful, its stressful, it painless, its pain, its caring, its hurtful, its happiness, its sadness, its devotion, its selfishness, it's peace, its anger, its giving, its taking, its all of this and much more then its real LOVE |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Jan 04 - 04:58 PM Love is the highest impulse in Life, and it is the source of all Life. It is the highest intelligence and wisdom, put into action. It is the giver of meaning and the heart of all useful purpose. It is that which recognizes in the Other the same that is recognized in Self...the most intimate awareness of complete unity and shared meaning and value on every level. Love says "There is only One of us here. You are that One, and so am I, and so are all others. Together we are far greater than the sum of our apparently separate identities. Together we are magnificence. Apart, we wait only to rediscover that we are One and inseparable, united by Love." Or were you talking about Hollywood romance? :-) To think that Love can arise only as an emotional/biological response to another specific human being is naive. That's just a fragment of what Love is, but it can be a very nice fragment if handled wisely. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: open mike Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:05 PM EROS PATHOS BATHOS or something like these//this describes different "forms" (?) of love romantic/sexual caring/sympathetic and ?? or is it all just pathetic? correct my Greek or Roman or Latin if you have a better take on it... my memory banks may be rusty...do not feel really in touch with this topic at the moment... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bill D Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:22 PM Eros, Agape, & Philia |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: open mike Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:36 PM 4 entries found for pathos. pa·thos (pths, -thôs) n. 1. A quality, as of an experience or a work of art, that arouses feelings of pity, sympathy, tenderness, or sorrow. 2. The feeling, as of sympathy or pity, so aroused. pathos \Pa"thos\, n. 1. The quality or character of those emotions, traits, or experiences which are personal, and therefore restricted and evanescent; transitory and idiosyncratic dispositions or feelings as distinguished from those which are universal and deep-seated in character; -- opposed to ethos. 2. Suffering; the enduring of active stress or affliction. \Pa"thos\, n. [L., from Gr. pa`qos a suffering, passion, fr. ?, ?, to suffer; cf. ? toil, L. pati to suffer, E. patient.] That quality or property of anything which touches the feelings or excites emotions and passions, esp., that which awakens tender emotions, such as pity, sorrow, and the like; contagious warmth of feeling, action, or expression; pathetic quality; as, the pathos of a picture, of a poem, or of a cry. pathos n 1: a quality that arouses emotions (especially pity or sorrow); "the film captured all the pathos of their situation" [syn: poignancy] 2: a feeling of sympathy and sorrow for the misfortunes of others; "the blind are too often objects of pity" [syn: commiseration, pity, ruth] 3: a style that has the power to evoke feelings |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,heric Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:37 PM Yeah, what Little Hawk said, exactly. I love you, man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: open mike Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:40 PM 7 entries found for eros. Er·os (rs, îr-) n. 1. Greek Mythology. The god of love, son of Aphrodite. 2. often eros Creative, often sexual yearning, love, or desire: "The new playful eros means that impulses and modes from other spheres enter the relations between men and women" (Herbert Gold). 3. 1. Psychiatry. Sexual drive; libido. 2. The sum of all instincts for self-preservation. [Latin Ers, from Greek, from ers, sexual love.] eros ( P ) eros: eros \E"ros\, n. [L., fr. Gr. ? love, ? (personified) Eros, fr. ? to love.] (Greek Myth.) Love; the god of love; -- by earlier writers represented as one of the first and creative gods, by later writers as the son of Aphrodite, equivalent to the Latin god Cupid. eros n : (Greek mythology) god of love; son of Aphrodite; identified with Roman Cupid [syn: Eros] eros, LA (town, FIPS 24215) Location: 32.39222 N, 92.42431 W Population (1990): 177 (76 housing units) Area: 2.6 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 71238 eros sounds like a good place to go! (or to send valentines to be postmarked) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: open mike Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:48 PM funny this---agape' or a-gape....same spelling different meaning.. 5 entries found for agape. a·gape1 adv. & adj. 1. In a state of wonder or amazement, as with the mouth wide open. 2. Wide open. a·ga·pe2 (ä-gäp, äg-p) n. 1. Christianity. Love as revealed in Jesus, seen as spiritual and selfless and a model for humanity. 2. Love that is spiritual, not sexual, in its nature. 3. Christianity. In the early Christian Church, the love feast accompanied by Eucharistic celebration. [Greek agap, love.] \A*gape"\, adv. & a. [Pref. a- + gape.] Gaping, as with wonder, expectation, or eager attention. Dazzles the crowd and sets them all agape. --Milton. agape \Ag"a*pe\, n.; pl. Agap[ae]. [Gr. 'aga`ph love, pl. 'aga`pai.] The love feast of the primitive Christians, being a meal partaken of in connection with the communion. agape adj : with the mouth wide open as in wonder or awe; "the gaping audience"; "we stood there agape with wonder"; "with mouth agape" [syn: agape(p), gaping] n : a religious meal shared as a sign of love and fellowship [syn: love feast] |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Joybell Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:57 PM A bright elusive butterfly Like a red, red rose/nose Like a melody that's sweetly sung in tune Where you find it A golden ring Not a Summer romance, or the kiss that follows the dance A many splended thing A sunburnt country Strange |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: open mike Date: 16 Jan 04 - 06:01 PM if "LOVE" is just B.S. we are in a heck of a fix!@ these definaitions from the onl line dictionery seem to lack something: 1 entry found for philia.-philia--suff. 1. Tendency toward: hemophilia. 2. Abnormal attraction to: necrophilia. [New Latin, from Greek -phili : -philos, -phile + -i, -ia.] i think they missed the point on this one... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: harvey andrews Date: 16 Jan 04 - 06:17 PM A chemical reaction in the brain necessary for the continuation of the species. or; Sexual intercourse began In nineteen sixty three (Which was rather late for me) - Between the end of the "Chatterley" ban And the Beatles first LP. Up till then there'd only been A sort of bargaining, A wrangle for a ring, A shame that started at sixteen And spread to everything Then all at once the quarrel sank: Everyone felt the same, And every life became A brilliant breaking of the bank A quite unlosable game. So life was never better than In nineteen sixty-three (Though just too late for me) - Between the end of the "Chatterley" ban And the Beatles first LP by Philip Larkin And if you're lucky, after the brain chemicals disperse and real life returns from insanity you'll have a relationship that feels like; "A brilliant breaking of the bank A quite unlosable game." |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Micca Date: 16 Jan 04 - 06:33 PM Love is … Love is feeling cold in the back of vans Love is a fanclub with only two fans Love is walking holding paintstained hands Love is Love is fish and chips on winter nights Love is blankets full of strange delights Love is when you don't put out the light Love is Love is presents in Christmas shops Love is when you're feeling Top of the Pops Love is what happens when the music stops Love is Love is white panties lying all forlorn Love is a pink nightdress still slightly warm Love is when you have to leave at dawn Love is Love is you and love is me Love is a prison and love is free Love's what's there when you're away from me Love is copyright: Adrian Henri |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: kendall Date: 16 Jan 04 - 09:59 PM Some say it's a pain in the neck. I have a much lower opinion of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: NobleSavage Date: 16 Jan 04 - 10:33 PM Some definitions from the classical Greek-- agape: unconditional love; usually used in a theological context (usually Christian) philia: love between friends; amiability storge: parental affection; love of parents for children eros: sexual love usually driven by physical attraction. Remember that these definitions were heavily culturally dependant--they can be used to amplify the word "love" as used in English, but are encapsulated within it, but do not substitute for it. The way the word is used today seems to be context sensitive--I think it best to ask the person what he or she means by it. . . So, what do *you* mean when you say love? NS |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: LadyJean Date: 16 Jan 04 - 11:46 PM I felt physical pain once, I loved a man so much. He wasn't particularly interested in me. My romances tend to be one sided. I remember, sometimes it hurt, when I thought of him. I see him every now and then. He's married to another lady. I can't say it bothers me. It doesn't hurt when I think about him anymore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Jan 04 - 06:16 AM Lady Jean that's unrequieted love, and I find the older I become the more unrequieted it gets. John |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SATURDAY BOY (Billy Bragg) From: Ed. Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:06 AM John's mention of unrequieted reminds me of a great song about first love: The Saturday Boy (Billy Bragg) I'll never forget the first day I met her That September morning was clear and fresh The way she spoke and laughed at my jokes And the way she rubbed herself Against the edge of my desk She became a magic mystery to me And we'd sit together in double History twice a week And some days we'd walk the same way home And it's surprising how quick A little rain can clear the streets We dreamed of her and compared our dreams But that was all that I ever tasted She lied to me with her body you see I lied to myself 'bout the chances I'd wasted The times we were close Were far and few between In the darkness at the dances in the school canteen Did she close her eyes like I did As we held each other tight And la la la la la la la la means I love you She danced with me and I still hold that memory Soft and sweet And I stare up at her window As I walk down her street But I never made the first team, I just made the first team laugh And she never came to the phone She was always in the bath I had to look in the dictionary To find out the meaning of unrequited While she was giving herself for free At a party to which I was never invited I never understood my failings then And I hide my humble hopes now Thinking back she made us want her A girl not old enough to shave her legs From www.billybragg.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Boab Date: 17 Jan 04 - 10:10 AM Treacle rinnin doon yer back, an' ye cannae reach roond tae lick it----- |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 17 Jan 04 - 11:58 AM Little Hawk - Thank you. I have written out your very eloquent and very true definition of Love into my book of readings and quotes, so that I can read it over again. One of my favourite poems, that has had pride of place for some years in my little book of quotes, is the poem by Leo Marks, which to me conveys that same essence you speak of: a positive, powerful, eternal interconnectedness between every one and every thing, so much so that they are One. That, to me, is Love. The life that I have Is all that I have, And the life that I have is yours. The love that I have Of the life that I have Is yours, and yours, and yours. A sleep I shall have, A rest I shall have, Yet death will be but a pause, For the peace of my years In the long, green grass Will be yours, and yours, and yours. With Love - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 17 Jan 04 - 12:51 PM Ooh, and I must add this very well-known definition of love, which shows just what can happen when that essence is put into action: 'Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.' I once read a very challenging suggestion: To read this regularly, and to substitute your own name every time the word 'love' appears in the text, check it against yourself and make any necessary adjustments ! Oohh.... With Love (again) - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Ed. Date: 17 Jan 04 - 12:57 PM substitute your own name every time the word 'love' appears in the text: Ed is patient and kind. Ed is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Ed does not demand his own way. Ed is not irritable, and he keeps no record of when it has been wronged. Ed is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Ed never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. Ed sounds like a really nice guy. I'd like to meet him... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Lyrical Lady Date: 17 Jan 04 - 01:24 PM I'd like to meet him too! LL |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 17 Jan 04 - 06:25 PM Homeless -- Thanks for your post. 1959. Arrrrgh!!!!! Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleontheaoftheuniverse Date: 17 Jan 04 - 09:08 PM hi this thread has been great. now I feel one - one with the millions of pimples on the a.. potaotu i think the only wau this question can be answered in through personal experience.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Micca Date: 17 Jan 04 - 10:16 PM I am not at all sure what love IS, but I think I am gradually getting an idea of what it is NOT!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Lyrical Lady Date: 18 Jan 04 - 02:29 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: kendall Date: 18 Jan 04 - 11:47 PM Niagra Falls...slowly I turn, step by step... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:57 AM Love is... a warm fluffy pink blanket of a thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Sweetfia Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:50 AM love...is a figment of your imagination! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 19 Jan 04 - 11:20 PM I dunno how to define it, but here are a number of good reasons for doing it, borrowed from another Blogger: Reasons to Love Because other people don't. Because if you don't, others won't. Because people do die without it. Because it makes you feel good to love someone. Because it makes others feel good, too. Because the children are watching. Because they're not. Because you know what it's like feeling unloved. Because you don't want to know what that feels like. Because it can stop an argument. Because it can heal the deepest wound. Because it is the most wonderful magic in existence. Because others have loved you. Because you are worthy of being loved. Because others are worthy of your love. Because you love yourself and wish to share. Because it is a sacred gift that money cannot buy. Because it lives forever, even beyond death. Just because. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleontheaoftheuniverse Date: 20 Jan 04 - 12:57 AM that's a great one, amos.. pimple |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 20 Jan 04 - 09:55 AM ...if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure, Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor, Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears. Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself. Love possesses not nor would it be possessed; For love is sufficient unto love. ...But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires: To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night. To know the pain of too much tenderness. To be wounded by your own understanding of love; And to bleed willingly and joyfully. To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving; To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy; To return home at eventide with gratitude; And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips. Khalil Gibran |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *daylia* Date: 20 Jan 04 - 10:21 AM Mmmmmm, such wonderfully loving inspirations! Here's another that I found on a box of Celestial Seasonings Herbal Tea ... To love for the sake of being loved is human. To love for the sake of Loving is angelic". Last night I found these words of Rev Martin Luther King at the link Don posted on the thread "Prophetic Words". I really like them, and they fit in so well here ... (emphasis mine) When I speak of love I am not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Moslem-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the first epistle of Saint John: Let us love one another; for love is God and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. If we love one another God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. Let us hope that this spirit will become the order of the day. We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate. As Arnold Toynbee says : "Love is the ultimate force that makes for the saving choice of life and good against the damning choice of death and evil. Therefore the first hope in our inventory must be the hope that love is going to have the last word." I hope so. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:35 AM Just because a noun exists doesn't mean the thing named exists. There is no such THING as "love." When a person says "I love you," they merely mean "You're making me happy." This is not a good basis for a lasting relationship. For a relationship to last, there must be mutual helping and mutual enjoyment of one another's company. The love that people, usually male, sing about in the pop songs is the steadfast, absolute devotion that a mother has for her baby. No adult has the right to that. Remember Barry Manilow's song "Oh, Mandy"? You could change it to "Oh Mommie" and it would make perfect sense. Blaeh! So, pimple, forget love. Change your name to something that doesn't say "I'm not worth bothering with," and try forming some relationships with a rational basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleonthenoseoftheuniverse Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:20 PM leeneia thanks for your insights my name for me expressed not worthlessness, but insignificance. but in consideration, i hereby change my name to pimpleonthenoseoftheuniverse geographically more visible! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *daylia* Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:46 PM pimpleonthenoseoftheuniverse, here's some ideas that I've watched work very well for lots of people ... including myself. I've heard it said (by people I consider to be much wiser than myself) that those who are not yet capable of truly loving themselves cannot love anyone or anything else. Love starts within. I've also heard that a great way to get started at loving oneself (which unfortunately most of us learn NOT to do very early in life) is to practice first becoming aware of, then "deleting" and changing any and all negative/unloving thoughts about oneself. Using affirmations is WONDERFUL for this! Once you've become the master of your own mind and thought-patterns, and learned to re-structure them in a way that serves you instead of smashes you, you'll find yourself becoming a happier, healthier, more loving and accepting person of everyone around you too. And you'll notice you've started attracting loving people into your life for a change, because "like attracts like". The ones interested in hating and fighting and abusing will not be interested in you once you stop "abusing" yourself. I kinda like freckleonthenoseoftheuniverse ... or maybe driedchocolatespotonthelipoftheuniverse ... ;) daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: LadyJean Date: 21 Jan 04 - 12:56 AM Since his birthday's coming up, Had we never loved sae blindly Had we never loved sae kindly Never met and never parted, We would ne'er be broken hearted. Ae fond kiss and then we sever. Robert Burns, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s&r Date: 21 Jan 04 - 06:41 AM When you're able to understand the answer, you won't need to ask the question. I fell in love once. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 26 Jan 04 - 12:22 PM I love you whether or not you love me I love you even if you think that I don't Sometimes I find you doubt my love for you, but I don't mind Why should I mind, Why should I mind What is love anyway? Does anybody love anybody anyway? Can anybody love anyone so much that they will never fear Never worry never be sad The answer is they cannot love this much nobody can This is why I don't mind you doubting And maybe love is letting people be just what they want to be The door always must be left unlocked To love when circumstance may lead someone away from you And not to spend the time just doubting What is love anyway? Does anybody love anybody anyway? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimpleontheaoftheuniverse Date: 26 Jan 04 - 12:40 PM LadyJean you know what love is! you have demonstrated the answer to the question! thanks potaotu |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,gust uh guest Date: 26 Jan 04 - 01:17 PM Man, are you guys full of .....LOVE..... or what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 26 Jan 04 - 01:37 PM L is for the way you look at me O is for the only one I see V is very, very extraordinary E is even more than anyone that you adore can Love is all that I can give to you Love is more than just a game for two Two in love can make it Take my heart and please don't break it Love was made for me and you L is for the way you look at me O is for the only one I see V is very, very extraordinary E is even more than anyone that you adore can Love is all that I can give to you Love is more than just a game for two Two in love can make it Take my heart and please don't break it Love was made for me and you Love was made for me and you Love was made for me and you |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 26 Jan 04 - 09:44 PM Love sought is good, but given unsought is better --William Shakespeare |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: dianavan Date: 26 Jan 04 - 10:40 PM Seems to me that the notion of romantic love was spread through Europe by the troubadors. Eleanor of Aquitane was largely responsible for this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: LadyJean Date: 26 Jan 04 - 11:42 PM That wasn't me, that was Robbie Burns, who had a lot more experience with the opposite sex than even I have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,freda Date: 02 Feb 04 - 07:16 AM Plaisir d'amour Your eyes taste mine I saw the life in them shine. my dance is new watching the path to you A door is wide To open and come down in side I wait alone watching that path of stone Plaisir d'amour Ne dure qu'un moment: Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie. Your eyes are dark I taste the strength in your heart My long hair knows Where your sweet garden grows My mind in thine Our valleys and rivers entwine Your curving smile Tells me to sip a while My wild heart yearns The heat in your blinding sun burns I taste your skin And all your life within Plaisir d'amour Ne dure qu'un moment: Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie. A gypsy song singing your milk in my mind our loves entwine Aching to sip your wine Plaisir d'amour Ne dure qu'un moment: Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie. My robes of rose Wash through your rivers and snows Your moonlit wine drenches my song of time Plaisir d'amour Ne dure qu'un moment: Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: LadyJean Date: 03 Feb 04 - 01:19 AM Once there was a princess, who vowed to marry the man who brought her a blue rose. One clever suitor procured a white rose and dyed it blue. The princess admired the rose, when a bee flew into the room. It flew into the rose, and died from the poisonous fumes of the dye. "That" said the princess, "was not a blue rose." Her second suitor had a blue rose painted on a porcelain cup. "It's lovely," the princess said, "But it's a cup, not a rose." One day the young man the princess loved arrived with a white rose. "What a lovely blue rose," the princess said. "It's a white rose," her courtiers said. "Oh no," said the princess. Can't you see it! It's a blue rose!" "Yes," the courtiers agreed, "It does have a blueish tinge. I see it now." I read the story when I was a child, and I don't remember the name of hte book. But it strikes me as the perfect definition of love. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:30 AM Thats pretty cool |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 03 Feb 04 - 03:44 AM Best definition I found in a verse by the ancient Greek poetress Sappho, of Lesbos: A bitter-sweet mindless monster. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: moocowpoo Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:39 AM it's like 'louvre' but with letters missing it's also a bit like 'evolve' but spelt backwards and, also 2 letters gone astray. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: SueB Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:04 PM Stolen from the Funny Times: Love is like war: easy to begin but very hard to stop. H.L. Mencken Love is the self-delusion we manufacture to justify the trouble we take to have sex. Dan Greenburg A constant interrogation. Milan Kundera A mutual misunderstanding. Oscar Wilde Two minds without a single thought. Philip Barry A grave mental disease. Plato Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired. Robert Frost When you're away, I'm restless, lonely, Wretched, bored, dejected; only Here's the rub, my darling dear, I feel the same when you are here. Samuel Hoffenstein Everything we do in life is based on fear, especially love. Mel Brooks True love is like ghosts, which everybody talks about and few have seen. La Rochefoucauld Some women and some men seem to need each other. Gloria Steinem In war as in love, to bring matters to a close, you must get close together. Napoleon I If love is the answer, could you rephrase the question? Lily Tomlin If you can stay in love for more than two years, you're ON something. Fran Lebowitz One is very crazy when in love. Freud |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Cuilionn Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:27 PM Ah wis ance in a choir that sang in Scots Gaelic. Maist o the choristers were Gaelic lairners & far frae fluent, sae ilka sang's lyrics haed tae be explainit afore we cuid sing 'em wi proper feelin & expression. We were lairnin a Gaelic love sang, sae the choir director, Seumas, tuik it upon hissel tae explain the twa Gaelic wairds for love: "Gaol" & "Grádh." Here's a paraphrase o his explanation: "When ye're sittin in the pub, singin auld sangs an liftin anither pint at 2 AM, an ye lean ower tae ane o yir freens, sayin, 'Ah love ye, mon!' --That's 'Grádh.'" "Sae, what aboot 'Gaol'? Weel... 'Gaol' is what ye'd say tae someone whae maks breakfast for ye." It tuik a few seconds, but folk stairtit tae kythe his meanin, an then the ruim eruptit intae appreciative laughter. He went on tae explain the peculiar construction of the statement "I love you" in Gaelic: "Tha grádh agam ort" or "Tha gaol agam ort." (Literally: "There is love at me on you.") The "Grádh/Gaol" explanation tuik on new meanin the next mairnin. Oor choir rehearsals were held on the mainland, an Ah wis livin on an island then. The ferry sairvice wisnae guid at nicht, sae Ah went hame wi twa o ma choir-freens, tae sleep on their couch an catch a ferry hame in the mairn. The guid, hospitable couple wuidnae let me depairt wi'oot a guid, hot breakfast... a gesture that forcit me tae cry oot, "Tha GAOL agam ort!" Needless tae say, the three o us were reducit tae helpless laughter, an the breakfast-table conversation wis punctuatit by mony's the wink, giggle, an grin! --Cuilionn |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 03 Feb 04 - 12:38 PM I've got to take a little time, a little time to think things over I better read between the lines, in case I need it when I'm older Now this mountain I must climb, feels like the world upon my shoulders Through the clouds I see love shine, it keeps me warm as life grows colder In my life there's been heartache and pain I don't know if I can face it again Can't stop now, I've travelled so far to change this lonely life I want to know what love is, I want you to show me I want to feel what love is, I know you can show me I'm gonna take a little time, a little time to look around me I've got nowhere left to hide, it looks like love has finally found me In my life there's been heartache and pain I don't know if I can face it again Can't stop now, I've travelled so far to change this lonely life I want to know what love is, I want you to show me I want to feel what love is, I know you can show me |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 08 Feb 04 - 06:08 AM So have we found the answer yet |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: D_Steveo Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:14 AM God is love! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM Only as a verb, mate. A very demanding, taxing, upsetting and deliriously attractive Verb. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:22 PM love is love |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: BK Lick Date: 08 Feb 04 - 06:49 PM Here's the chorus of "I Once Loved" from Kathy Kallick's new CD, Reason & Rhyme. Love is a challenge, love is a testThe whole song can be streamed in RealAudio from her website. Give it a listen -- it's a goodun, I thinks. -- BK |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 09 Feb 04 - 04:24 AM "Love means never having to say youre sorry" --cue theme from 'Love Story' |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *daylia* Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:17 AM So if you're sorry, there's no Love Story? That doesn't sound right to me. When I need to apologize to someone, I do. What's the alternative -- expecting others to be mind-readers because I love them and vice versa? Not apologizing at all if I've said or done something hurtful? Sorry, I just don't see how that would benefit a relationship, or make me into more loving person. alwayswillingtoLOVINGLYapologizewhensheneedstodaylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:20 AM WHat!!! i was just quoting a film! take it up with the script writer for love story not me!!!!! Cue "march of the valkyres" - i dont want to fight you but you leave me no option! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *daylia* Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:49 AM s6k, I wasn't trying to "fight" you at all! It's just that ever since I first read that book/watched the movie over 30 years ago, I've always thought that quote was ... well ... a big heap of doodoo. And it is, for me anyway. Pretty song, though! And I like Ride of the Valkyres too. Let's meet for a cyber-lunch ok? ANd I'm sorry you found my words antagonizing ... but please don't misunderstand. Just because I've apologized doesn't mean I don't love you! ;-) daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:11 PM Hahahahahaha!! for the record i agree with you, if that was all love meant, well, it wouldnt be that great... i love you... that means i dont have to say sorry! So if i call someone a very rude name, then tell them i love them, does that mean i dont have to say im sorry!! :S boggles my mind but anyway... i stick by my original thought, which was... love is love |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 13 Feb 04 - 05:39 PM thread is dying i must post and reclaim it to the top. i like all threads that i am in to get at least 100 posts. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: LadyJean Date: 13 Feb 04 - 11:38 PM Someone gave my mother season tickets to the opera. She went with my sister, or me, or one of her friends. Dad didn't care for opera, and they were both perfectly happy if he spent the evening at home with his dog and his histories, and she went off to enjoy the pleasures of Verdi and Puccini. Then, one night, mother couldn't find anyone to go with. She told dad she was going by herself, and, when he expressed reservations, she told him that she had gotten to know two gentlemen who had the seats behind her, and she was certain that they would see her to her car. Dad announced that he was taking mother to the opera. My father sat through Donizetti's "Elixir of Love", to protect mother from two potential roue's. She was, at the time, 58, and she looked it. Dad was three years older, but it hadn't occurred to him that men might not find the woman he married attractive. Mother's two friends didn't find women attractive. Fortunately, they didn't find dad attractive either. Dad's description of the opera included the line, "And the balcony was too high for a John Wilkes Booth leap, so I was forced to endure." The only thing that would have saved the performance for him was if two of the singers had a sword fight. Then dad could have critiqued the fencing. There are no swordfights in "Elixir of Love". My parents didn't have the happiest marriage in the world, but my father sat through an opera, with no fencing, to protect my mother from two gay men, because he thought she was still the very beautiful lady he married. I think that has a lot to do with love. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:14 PM have we figured it out yet ???! lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:37 PM Nobody's mentioned W.H.Auden yet: O, tell me the truth about love - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:37 PM I liked that, thanks. heres a little something from David Gates, fantastic lyrics and such a lovely song. i can send this to anyone that would like a copy on MP3, its beautiful. The skies are not as blue when you're not with me The stars they never seem to shine as bright And the hours crack like days across the ages And a year or two pass by with every night It makes me know if i should ever leave this world before you do When you follow you must promise, cross your heart and promise to Find me...look hard, and dont stop, I'll be waiting 'till then Dont sleep, and dont eat 'till I'm back, back in your arms again I dont wanna have to spend all my forever without you. Just knowing that your out there somewhere too. So darlin...please I'm begging you on bended knee... Find me... I've tried to tell this world how much i love you. But they dont understand how deep it goes. And i can't even find the words to tell you So I'm the only one who really knows. And though we have our times together, I am always wanting more So if we get separated wont you do just like before and Find me...look hard and dont stop, I'll be waiting 'till then Dont sleep, and dont eat 'till I'm back, back in your arms again Through a hundred million faces you will see me shinning through. 'Cause I'll glow when you come close , I always do. So darlin' please im begging you on bended knee.. We can share our love through all eternity 'Cause with you is all i ever wanna be...... Find me |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:53 AM Giving someone your last Rolo OR having your first crap of the day |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:56 AM :O |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: bflat Date: 19 Feb 04 - 11:53 PM It is always personal and not usually what you expect it to be, comes as a surprise; goes like a storm for some and a droplet for others. Ellen |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Peace Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:37 AM Love is whatcha got left when the yelling stops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: BK Lick Date: 20 Feb 04 - 07:02 PM love is more thicker than forget |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: iRiShBaBe Date: 21 Feb 04 - 01:53 PM ''love is a misunderstanding between two fools'' as my mother once told me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,freda Date: 22 Feb 04 - 08:49 AM love is having the guts to say you're sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 23 Feb 04 - 04:45 AM Think i'm going for a walk now i feel a little unsteady i don't want nobody to follow me, except maybe you i could make you happy, you know if you weren't already i could do a lot of things, and i do To tell you the truth i prefer the worst of you too bad you had to have a better half she's not really my type but i think you two are forever and i hate to say it but you're perfect together so f**k you, and your untouchable face f**k you, for existing in the first place and who am i that i should be vying for your touch who am i, bet you can't even tell me that much 2:30 in the morning and my gas tank will be empty soon neon sign on the horizon rubbing elbows with the moon safe haven of the sleepless where the deep fryer's always on radio is counting down the top 20 country songs out on the porch the fly strip is waving like a flag in the wind you know i really don't look forward to seeing you again soon. you look like a photograph of yourself taken from far far away i won't know what to do, i won't know what to say i see you and i'm so perplexed, what was i thinking what will i think of next where can i hide? in the back room there's a lamp that hangs over the pool table and when the fan is on it swings gently side to side there's a changing constellation of balls as we are playing i see orion and say nothing the only thing i can think of saying is f**k you... and your untouchable face f**k you, for existing in the first place f**k you... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bobjack Date: 23 Feb 04 - 08:18 AM Anybody going for 100? no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bobjack Date: 23 Feb 04 - 08:19 AM ok I'll have it then. thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 23 Feb 04 - 04:43 PM bitchus |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: BK Lick Date: 24 Feb 04 - 01:58 AM Perhaps it might be mentioned that "Untouchable Face" was written by Ani Difranco. Here are a whole mess of popular love song lyrics. As Abe Lincoln is said to have once written, people who like this sort of thing will find this is the sort of thing they like. —BK |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 24 Feb 04 - 03:25 AM Indeed it was by Ani DiFranco, well worth a download. Good site too, ive been there a few times. the whole site is good. Also if you go to the lyrics heading, and click "appropriate lyrics" it gives you the top 5 songs for categories. Some surprises you never knew turn up, like REM's 'the one i love' is actually about stalking. etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 26 Feb 04 - 09:46 AM meh |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimplontheaofthe universe Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:26 PM love is.... a thread from Jerry Rasmussen thanks jerry, your threads take love out of the all consuming personal need for comfort & fulfilment into a much wider, more open context. potaotu |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM we might never solve this one |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: s6k Date: 01 Mar 04 - 04:22 AM No replies for a while :O it looks bleak! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 04 - 10:56 AM Love is caring enough to keep the communication channels open. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Georgiansilver Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:27 AM Love is:- Well falling in love is wonderful as it heightens all those physical and emotional feelings we all get but true love goes beyond that....Where in time the hearts and flowers wend their weary way into the distant past..LOVE the verb should expect to arrive on the scene..in other words love becomes a doing thing...it takes working at to keep the status quo(Nothing to do with the group). I would die for the woman I love...... trouble is....I don't have a woman.....to love.......Oh well, nice car, good friends, nice flat, bottle of wine (and a spare bottle of whisky). Like my own cooking, love food.....in fact.....l LOVE being on my own and being Loved by a wonderful God.. Be Blessed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 26 Apr 04 - 03:58 PM I Knew a Woman I knew a woman, lovely in her bones, When small birds sighed, she would sigh back at them; Ah, when she moved, she moved more ways than one: The shapes a bright container can contain! Of her choice virtues only gods should speak, Or English poets who grew up on Greek (I'd have them sing in chorus, cheek to cheek.) How well her wishes went! She stroked my chin, She taught me Turn, and Counter-turn, and stand; She taught me Touch, that undulant white skin: I nibbled meekly from her proffered hand; She was the sickle; I, poor I, the rake, Coming behind her for her pretty sake (But what prodigious mowing did we make.) Love likes a gander, and adores a goose: Her full lips pursed, the errant note to seize; She played it quick, she played it light and loose; My eyes, they dazzled at her flowing knees; Her several parts could keep a pure repose, Or one hip quiver with a mobile nose (She moved in circles, and those circles moved.) Let seed be grass, and grass turn into hay: I'm martyr to a motion not my own; What's freedom for? To know eternity. I swear she cast a shadow white as stone. But who would count eternity in days? These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways.) ~ Theodore Roethke |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: dianavan Date: 27 Apr 04 - 01:14 AM Love defies all logic and reason. When love walks throught the door, common sense flies out the window. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,old bones Date: 27 Apr 04 - 02:40 AM what a very beautiful poem - says it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 27 Apr 04 - 11:07 AM AT that hour when all things have repose, O lonely watcher of the skies, Do you hear the night wind and the sighs Of harps playing unto Love to unclose The pale gates of sunrise? When all things repose do you alone Awake to hear the sweet harps play To Love before him on his way, And the night wind answering to antiphon Till night is overgone? Play on, invisible harps, unto Love, Whose way in heaven is aglow At that hour when soft lights come and go, Soft sweet music in the air above And in the earth below. James Joyce |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Apr 04 - 01:37 PM Love is when one is willing do things harmful to one's own interest for another's ( presumed) happiness. Stephen Crane In the Desert In the desert I saw a creature, naked, bestial, Who, squatting upon the ground, Held his heart in his hands, And ate of it. I said, "Is it good, friend?" "It is bitter – bitter", he answered, "But I like it Because it is bitter, And because it is my heart." |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 28 Apr 04 - 07:39 AM I do not love you except because I love you; I go from loving to not loving you, From waiting to not waiting for you My heart moves from cold to fire. I love you only because it's you the one I love; I hate you deeply, and hating you Bend to you, and the measure of my changing love for you Is that I do not see you but love you blindly. Maybe January light will consume My heart with its cruel Ray, stealing my key to true calm. In this part of the story I am the one who Dies, the only one, and I will die of love because I love you, Because I love you, Love, in fire and blood. Pablo Neruda |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Shlio Date: 28 Apr 04 - 05:28 PM Love is, clearly, just a four-letter word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Ebbie Date: 28 Apr 04 - 06:04 PM A bit of pedantry here: What we call love is often only infatuation. And sometimes the distinction is confusing. A song I wrote kind of typifies this idea: Ten Thousand Tomorrows Long ago you were all the world to me From here to horizon, far as I could see But time- it moved on, leaving you behind Ten thousand tomorrows you've been out of my mind. Once I really loved you. I loved you a lot Once I really loved you. Why have I forgot? Forgotten the way you sat in a chair Forgotten your smile and the scent of your hair Don't even recall the touch of your hand Forgotten it all- it's not what I planned. Once I really loved you. Just when did I stop? Once I really loved you. Why have I forgot? I open this morning's paper and there is your face Next to some strangers, each one in its place Yesterday you died- imagine my shock Once I really loved you. Why have I forgot? Once I really loved you... I submit I didn't really love him. Eb |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: michaelr Date: 28 Apr 04 - 07:03 PM Here is an interesting site about the biochemical roots of love. And here is a review of what looks to be a very interesting book on the subject. Not to slight the mystics around here, but what we experience as emotions, perhaps even all of reality, is the result of chemical processes inside our brains. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,freda Date: 05 May 04 - 10:03 PM CXVI Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments. Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove: O no, it is an ever-fixed mark, That looks on tempest and is never shaken; It is the star to every wandering bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come; Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error, and upon me proved, I never writ, nor man ever loved. W. Shakespeare |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 05 May 04 - 10:23 PM Aw, michaelr, you meathead!!:>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Corridus Date: 05 May 04 - 11:52 PM Love is the feeling a hamster gets when looking at a dish full of fresh seeds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 06 May 04 - 12:11 AM It appeared to me tonight that the working definition is "a postulated proximity of viewpoint", and it endures so long as the postulation of it is continued. ANd fails when it is not. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: M.Ted Date: 07 May 04 - 10:49 AM If you were right, michaelr, then all those mood altering drugs that people pump into themselves would resolve their emotional issues--unfortunately, they don't-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 23 May 04 - 08:31 AM THE twilight turns from amethyst To deep and deeper blue, The lamp fills with a pale green glow The trees of the avenue. The old piano plays an air, Sedate and slow and gay; She bends upon the yellow keys, Her head inclines this way. Shy thoughts and grave wide eyes and hands That wander as they list-- The twilight turns to darker blue With lights of amethyst. THE TWILIGHT TURNS FROM AMETHYST by: James Joyce (1882-1941) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: George Papavgeris Date: 23 May 04 - 11:51 AM Being unable to think of yourself first. Unless it's yourself you love, of course... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: michaelr Date: 23 May 04 - 03:30 PM M. Ted -- that doesn't necessarily follow. Medical understanding of the brain's chemistry in still in its infancy, and mind-altering drugs basically poke around in the dark. Even their makers don't really understand how and why they work or don't work. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 04 - 01:10 PM what DO ya have left when the yelling stops? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 18 Sep 04 - 10:48 PM absolutely nothing, nothing at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,potaotu Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:17 AM Okay, Okay. I'm not talking kind, selfless, caring, paternal, maternal or brotherly love. I'm talking LOVE. Why am i feeling like this? Why am I feeling ripped in two? Why do i want everything? Why is just a bit not enough? Why do i cut myself off from people who would love me, by going for someone who doesnt really want or need me? Why does someone so passionate frighten me? Will I ever have someone to love again? Someone I can trust? And why am I feeling this way when I'm meant to be old enough to know better? Pimple on the arse of the universe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,pimple Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:28 AM Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 04 - 08:11 AM A chemical and hormonal imbalance that completely fucks up your whole day, or life if you allow it to control you. ________________________________________________________ I think this says it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:07 AM potaotu with respect, what you need is a cold shower, a bex, and a good lie down. If that doesnt work, try hitting your head against the wall. freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: MBSLynne Date: 19 Sep 04 - 11:02 AM I don't think it's something you learn not to do really. No age limits to love, lust or any of the related things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Peace Date: 19 Sep 04 - 12:44 PM That which when you don't have it is really obvious; and when you do, it is equally evident. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:57 PM There are three boxes: a gold one with an inscription which reads: "Who chooses me shall gain what many men desire", a silver one with the inscription: "Who chooses me shall get as much as he deserves", and a lead one with the inscription: "Who chooses me must give and risk all he has." Which box to choose ? - jeanie :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: lucky_p Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:44 PM For romantic love to happen, you have ready, willing, and able to go all the way into the soul of the person, down to the bone; and you have to allow that person to get all the way into you. Interestingly, the hardest part is not loving another that way, but believing you're truly lovable in your innermost core and thus allowing someone to get all the way in to love you that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Peace Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:11 PM Jeanie, That is beautiful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:23 AM Brucie, Methinks you know from whence it came :) - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Paranoid Android Date: 20 Sep 04 - 07:09 PM Love is driving to her house listening to the Eagles singing "When we're hungry, love will keep us alive" knowing that when you reach her, all your hunger will be quenched. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:56 PM Love is the perception of unity. It is the awareness that "We are One". All that is good, kind, and beneficial flows from that. Accordingly, Love can end war, end poverty, end injustice, end violence, end crime, and save the World. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 21 Sep 04 - 03:16 PM What is on second. What is love. ergo, Love is on second. most guys think it's at home plate! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Sep 04 - 06:12 PM This are some quotes from an excellent book I've been reading recently: *** "What the world generally refers to as love is an intense emotional condition, combining physical attraction, possessiveness, control, addiction, eroticism, and novelty. It's usually fragile and fluctuating, waxing and waning with varying conditions. When frustrated, this emotion often reveals an underlying anger or dependency that it had masked. That love can turn to hate is a common perception, but here, an addictive sentimentality is likely what's being spoken about, rather than Love; there probably never was actual love in such a relationship, for Hate stems from Pride, not Love. Love is unconditional, unchanging, and permanent. It doesn't fluctuate---its source isn't dependent on external factors. Loving is a state of being. It's a forgiving, nurturing, and supportive way of relating to the world. Love isn't intellectual and doesn't proceed from the mind. Love emanates from the heart. Reason only deals with particulars, whereas Love deals with entireties. Love takes no position, and thus is global, rising above separation. It's then possible to be "one with another", for there are no longer any barriers. Love is therefore inclusive, and expands the sense of self progressively. Love focuses on the goodness of life in all its expressions and augments that which is positive. It dissolves negativity by recontextualizing it, rather than by attacking it. This is the level of true happiness..." *** To those words, I might add that in this life I have only seen such love fully demonstrated and realized in fewer individuals than I can count on the fingers of one hand. I've seen it partially realized in many good people. It is quite comparable to the kind of love a good mother instinctively feels toward her small child...only instead of being extended JUST to that child exclusively, it goes out equally toward absolutely everyone...every living being...regardless of their flaws or their individual nature. It expects nothing, demands nothing, gives everything. Such is the Love that God has for all of Creation. Such is the Love that Life has for all living beings. Such love is attainable. Those few who attain it are said to be "enlightened", which is a good description, because they are filled with light. In the presence of light there can be no darkness. In romantic love as this society thinks of it, there is usually a good deal of darkness (mixed with some light)...and a great deal of need and desire. That which sees itself as incomplete is in need and desire, and expects that it can get what it needs or wants, from somebody else. This is an unfortunate illusion, but one that has most people in its control for their whole lives. They call that illusion "love", and write books, plays, movies, and songs about it. It's very dramatic, full of highs and lows, so it makes for a good book or movie. Entire industries depend on this illusion for their livelihood. An example of actual Love in action is the life of Mahatma Gandhi. Another such example is the life of Mother Teresa. Others: the life of Jesus or Buddha or Baha'Ullah (the prophet of the Baha'i religion). Love is seeing the other AS yourself, and behaving accordingly...because in truth there IS no other. There is only One of us here. One masquerading as many. That is the foundation of all the holy teachings. Love will never invade another country. Love will never execute or imprison. Love will not torture. Love will not persuade by force or rule by fear. Love will cure illness rather than attacking only the outer symptoms of illness...by filling whatever lack there was that showed itself as the illness in the first place. Love will establish equality, not protect and perpetuate elitism. Love will recognize that human rights spring from an eternal divine source inside every human being, not from the temporal authority of some government or church or bureaucracy. Love will find meaning in the beautiful heart of Life where the loveless find only victory, fame, vengeance or profit. Love can save the World. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 21 Sep 04 - 09:39 PM ..and the personal is political. what does it mean in theory? nothing. it is only in practise that it exists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: jacqui.c Date: 22 Sep 04 - 05:26 AM Love is accepting others as themselves and not wishing to change them. It is knowing that, whatever the circumstances and however long you might have together you know that that would be preferable to not having that person in your life. It is being aware that your are two separate individuals but that being together brings a joy that illuminates all asects of your life, even if sometimes you might not agree on all aspects of that life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,noddy Date: 22 Sep 04 - 11:42 AM printing out all of this thread and giving it to your parner to read. |
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Subject: hip pops sangs texts From: GUEST Date: 08 Oct 04 - 04:56 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Peace Date: 08 Oct 04 - 05:22 PM Love is also about forgiveness, something I find myself more and more in need of as I age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 21 May 05 - 06:09 AM If you wish to be loved, love.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Donuel Date: 21 May 05 - 06:41 AM What is love was the very question that the Jesuit order in Rochester NY asked me verbatim. They perceived my occupation and secularism a threat and arranged for a special interview. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 21 May 05 - 06:57 AM Whenever "A" attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon "B," "A" is most likely a scoundrel -- H.L. Mencken |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *Laura* Date: 21 May 05 - 08:17 AM So - how do you know if you're in love? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 21 May 05 - 11:17 AM I don't think it's worth spending too much time worrying about whether or nor you are "in love" with someone or looking for signs as to whether or not someone is "in love" with you. There's a world of difference between being "in love with" someone and just simply *loving* them. Love is traditionally portrayed as the blindfolded archer, causing people to "fall in love." If you can become "in love", you can just as easily become "out of love". *Loving* happens without blindfolds. It is the contents of the less showy lead casket in the "Merchant of Venice" that I quoted earlier in this thread: "Who chooses me must give and hazard all he hath." Therein lies the prize ! - jeanie :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Fibula Mattock Date: 21 May 05 - 12:43 PM o - how do you know if you're in love? Well, I think it's maybe too early for me to tell, but after a couple of months with new bloke I found myself kneeling on his bathroom floor scrubbing vomit from the lino after the poor boy had just boked, and I thought to myself "blimey, he's even lovely when he's sick". And I'd miss him if he wasn't in my life. And I'm a nice girlfriend for taking such good care of him. (By the way, this love thing is the same mood that has previously had me heartbroken, devastated and torn in two when i realised that love isn't enough, ever. That's just some romantic construct fabricated to sell movies and books and really bad songs. One has to keep a sense of proportion and pragmatism, even when one is deeply in love ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: mg Date: 22 May 05 - 12:27 AM Dear Potaotu...Daylia is right. I think you need to get a new name. A woman reading that is going to go yuck before she ever meets you. It doesn't sound like a name you would respectfully call someone else, so why call yourself that? No one should be given a name like that, whether by themselves or others. How about just a regular first name, like Jim or Mark or Juan? Or a nickname like Tex? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Stephen L. Rich Date: 22 May 05 - 01:08 AM Love is an unarmed giraffe. Stephen Lee |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Bill the Collie Date: 22 May 05 - 02:51 AM It's a sair thing love When it hits ye in the waistcoat |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine Date: 22 May 05 - 06:03 AM Roy Orbison says it's like a stove. Van Morrison begs to differ: "The love's to love the love's to love the love's to love... Say goodbye" |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 22 May 05 - 06:35 AM Excerpts from Kahlil Gibran's 'On Love' in "THE PROPHET" "Then said Almitra, 'Speak to us of Love.' And he raised his head and looked upon the people, and there fell a stillness upon them. And with a great voice he said: When love beckons to you follow him, Though his ways are hard and steep.... Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself. Love possesses not nor would it be possessed; For love is sufficient unto love. When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, I am in the heart of God." And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself. But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires: To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night. To know the pain of too much tenderness. To be wounded by your own understanding of love; And to bleed willingly and joyfully. To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving; To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy; To return home at eventide with gratitude; And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips." Kahlil Gibran's 'On Love' |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Azizi Date: 22 May 05 - 06:43 AM Sorry, I forgot that I didn't have my cookie. GUEST 22 May 05 - 06:35 AM was me. And since I'm here, let me take this opportunity to sincerely thank those who have posted to this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock in the back door Date: 22 May 05 - 10:25 AM That Kahlil Gibran bloke's way too flowery for me. I think I said it better with the story about the vomit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Azizi Date: 22 May 05 - 10:45 AM Well, Fibula Mattock-how about this one? "Nothing you could say could tear me away from my guy (my guy) Nothing you could do, 'cause I'm stuck like glue to my guy (my guy) I'm sticking to my guy like a stamp to a letter Like birds of a feather, we stick together I'm tellin' you from the start I can't be torn apart from my guy Nothing you could do could make me untrue to my guy (my guy) Nothing you could buy could make me tell a lie to my guy (my guy) I gave my guy my word of honour to be faithful, and I'm gonna You best be believing I won't be deceiving my guy As a matter of opinion I think he's tops My opinion is he's the cream of the crop As a matter of taste, to be exact He's my ideal, as a matter of fact"... "My Guy" Lyrics |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Azizi Date: 22 May 05 - 02:01 PM Freda, My apologies. I just read through this thread instead of skimming it and saw your post on 20 Jan 04 that had excerpts of Gibran's poem on Love. Oh well. Unlike Fibula Mattock, I think Gibran s poem it quite powerful, lyrical, and thought provoking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: *Laura* Date: 22 May 05 - 02:39 PM As John Lennon said 'All you need is love'. But then he also said 'I am the walrus, I am the eggman' - so now I don't know what to believe! xLx |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Bunnahabhain Date: 22 May 05 - 03:05 PM Love is the best, worst and most powerful thing in the world. Love is also missing a question mark... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Amos Date: 22 May 05 - 05:34 PM Love is the condition that obtains when another's well-being is more important to you than your own. Dear friend pimple, this does not appear to be what you are experiencing. I would choose another word for it, then -- lust, or obsession, or adolescent passion, or what-have you. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: John O'L Date: 24 May 05 - 06:46 PM Just received a "what is love?' email from my sister-in-law. Supposedly said by little kids, I think these comments were made up by an adult. I think the survey of little kids is bullshit, but maybe that's just me. Most of them are pretty mushy but these I thought were good: When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different. You just know that your name is safe in their mouth. Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. If you want to learn to love better you should start with someone who you hate. You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 25 May 05 - 05:54 PM I will try to look at this as if this question was being asked within a musical thread in a forum about folk songs: Love is what most pop songs are about because, being a universal feeling, it is the topic most easily SOLD to the most people by those in charge of the music business. Folk songs, on the other hand, are often topical and about fairly specific geographical places, and also many various eras and times. It would not be easy to SELL those songs to an entire modern nation's people because many of those people don't live where the tales told in the songs are relevant. I.E. lumberjack songs from the USA would not likely be in the songlists of cowboys unless they did the hard work necessary to become receptive to those songs. Only those people interested in history and the big graphic tales, take the time and make the efforts necessary to appreciate the actions therein. A good tune makes it all the better---maybe even easy to dance to. I give it a TEN !! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 25 May 05 - 06:02 PM Joseph Campbell said that people often confuse love with "the zeal of the loins." Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 26 May 05 - 12:16 PM Maturity=love=maturity=love=... Onward and upward Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,bill Date: 02 Jun 05 - 08:43 AM I thought I was in love with a freinds soon to be ex girlfreind. and that worried me. now thanks to you mob I,m not even sure what love is.Now I feel confused and guilty and I need a beer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: UncleToad Date: 02 Jun 05 - 03:04 PM Love Is love that wakes in the night and holds two hands trembling in fright. Love is love that whispers kind words when the darkness is screaming in herds like spring birds. Love is there when I wake in the night stroking my thoughts and holding me tight. Love is love when there's nobody near to hold on to the soul and wipe away one small tear. Love is love always there for me if I wake in the darkness trying to see. ----------------------------------- This was sent to me anonymously... hopefully from an old love trying to find her way back. Uncle(JustAnOldRomantic)Toad |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Catherine Jayne Date: 02 Jun 05 - 05:49 PM Morticia read one of Kahlil Gibran's poem's at Micca and mine's wedding last month! "Love one and other, but make not a bond of love: Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls. Fill each others cup but drink not from one cup. Give one and other of your bread but eat not from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone. Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music. Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping. For only the hand of life can contain your hearts. And stand together but not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the Oak tree and the Cypress grow not in each other's shadow." |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Azizi Date: 06 Jun 05 - 08:03 AM "Because hate is legislated . . . written into the primer and testament, shot into our blood and brain like vaccine or vitamins Because our day of time, of hours --- and the clock-hand turns, closes the circle upon us; and black timeless nitght sucks us in like quicksand, receives us totally --- without a raincheck or a parachute, a key to heaven or the last long look I need love more than ever now . . . I need your love, I need love more than hope or money, wisdome or a drink Because slow negative death withers the world and only yes can turn the tide Because love has your face and body . . . and your hands are tender and your mouth is sweet ---- and God has made no other eyes like yours...." Source: THIS IS MY BELOVED" By W. Benton [Entry April 28] |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST,alandris Date: 28 Feb 07 - 07:38 PM This isn't an exact quote, but Kurt Vonnegut said Love is the condition in which someone else's happiness is essential to your own. Simple, yet profound. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Lonesome EJ Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:30 PM Love is the opposite of evol. At least, that's what I've always thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Charley Noble Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:51 PM Here's a traditional contribution to this thread: Love it is a killing thing, Beauty is a blossom; If you want your finger bit, Poke it at a possum! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Jeanie Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:57 AM "What is love, 'tis not hereafter. Present mirth hath present laughter." Feste, Twelfth Night, Shakespeare. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Ruth Archer Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:32 AM somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond any experience, your eyes have their silence: in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me, or which i cannot touch because they are too near your slightest look easily will unclose me though i have closed myself as fingers, you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens (touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose or if your wish be to close me, i and my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly, as when the heart of this flower imagines the snow carefully everywhere descending; nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals the power of your intense fragility: whose texture compels me with the colour of its countries, rendering death and forever with each breathing (i do not know what it is about you that closes and opens; only something in me understands the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses) nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands -ee cummings |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: freda underhill Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM wow |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: Joe_F Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM That night when joy began Our narrowest veins to flush, We waited for the flash Of morning's levelled gun, But morning let us pass, And, day by day, relief Outgrows his nervous laugh, Grows credulous of peace, As mile by mile is seen No trespasser's reproach, And love's best glasses reach No fields but are his own. -- W. H. Auden |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 07 - 08:22 AM Love is blind Love is cruel Love is hurtful And never full Love will come Love will go Love is something No one knows If you say you love I will feel fulfilled If you say you want I will stand by you If you say forever Forever it should be But nothing last forever I was blind I did not see. You left me for another 'I love you' to her sounds real But you loved me also From the distance It seemed was meant the deal Should I miss the one who was so close Love is with me still No as now it's with another I LOVE YOU this time is REAL |
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Subject: RE: BS: what is love From: annamill Date: 04 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM I'm surprised noone has mentioned this one. Art of Loving - Erich Fromm It tells it all!! Love(whateveritis), Annamill (tongueincheek) |
