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Subject: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 18 Jan 04 - 06:23 PM I picked up this book at a yard sale. It's been re-bound and the title pages are missing, but on page 1 it says "The English and Scottish Legendary Ballads". It begins with Sir Patrick Spens, Edom O'Gordon, The Heir of Linne, the Merchant's Daughter of Bristowe... and the last entry is a 50-page long Robin Hood. From the notes to the individual songs, it appears that the editor did quite a lot of collating from different versions. He mentions Child, Buchan, Percy and numerous other sources. Who can tell me what I've got here? Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Jan 04 - 10:18 PM How many pages, Michael?? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 18 Jan 04 - 10:19 PM I will gladly pay you 20.00 dollars (US) for the above book. (No doubt, you paid MUCH less and can turn a tidy immeidate profit....I'll toss in 5.00 for postage.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Jimmy C Date: 18 Jan 04 - 11:53 PM Could it possibly be part of The Harvard Classics with the original cover missing, containing only the lyrics (no music) I have a copy (circa 1967) with all those songs and many more. ? In perfect condition I might add |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Sandy Paton Date: 19 Jan 04 - 05:42 PM Which volume of the Harvsrd Classics contains more than a few of the Ballads? My 50 volume index lists a few that appear in volumes 40-42, but no single volume containing more than that. Am I missing something because my set is what the booksellers politely call "vintage?" Sandy |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 19 Jan 04 - 05:56 PM There are 628 pages, including an index of first lines, which tallies to (if I didn't miscount) 185 songs. The typography looks turn-of-the-century (1900, that is) to my eyes. In the back there are ads for other books by what I assume to be the same publisher, Frederick Warne & Co., Bedford Street, Covent Garden (London). There's also an ad for Rowland's Macassar Oil ("promoting the Growth, Restoring, and Beautifying the Human Hair"), Rowland's Kalydor ("for imparting a radiant bloom to the Complexion"), and Rowland's Odonto or Pearl Dentifrice; as well as an ad for sheet music ("New Drawing-Room Pieces Just Out, By The Most Rising Piano-Writer Of The Day" - one Harold Thomas). Does any of this help? Michael |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: masato sakurai Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:23 PM According to the pagination & publisher, it seems to be John S. Roberts' THE LEGENDARY BALLADS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND (No Date (1880's?). Frederick Warne. 7.5x5. 628pp. 431g). |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:02 PM If Masato says it, I believe it. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:30 PM Okay, Masato, how did you do it? Do you have a 120 year old book just laying around the house, or were you able to find that book online somewhere? When I searched on the publisher and other keywords I still mostly came up with dozens of hits for Peter Rabbit. SRS |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: masato sakurai Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:37 PM As I haven't seen the book, I'm not confident of it. I only consulted BookFinder. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:38 PM Offer it for sale....Mudcat or private E-Mail....
First Bid, a beautiful, new US-Jackson-bill
Sincerely,
Sell...or say 'no'...the suspence is killing me. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:43 PM Always specify the publisher if you have details. A search via Google for "legendary ballads" warne gets you further information; armed with which you can get more, and so on. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 19 Jan 04 - 11:20 PM Gargoyle, I did not start this thread to try to sell the book. I just want to know what it is. If it's worth money to you, why don't you tell me? (And then make me an offer I can't refuse... ;-) Masato may be close, although the size of my volume is 6.75x4.75". There is an ex-libris that says "The Hively's - 1885 - C-Bar-C Ranch". |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jan 04 - 11:59 PM I've seen BookFinder, but haven't used it. Interesting--I'll play with it and see how it differs from some of the others, like ABE and Alibris. I just looked--I have BookFinder in my "favorites." Looks like it's time to go poke around and see what else I've forgotten I have in there! Malcolm, that was the sort of search I did, using Google Advanced. It seemed that so many of the book sellers had combinations of books that the keywords weren't bringing any exclusivity to the search. SRS |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 20 Jan 04 - 12:08 AM Strange, Masato -- Book Finder returned no results when I searched for that title and/or author. Only one of the sites that Google threw up was of any help, saying this: Roberts, John S. The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland London: F. Warne, 1887 I guess that's what it is, then. Not, apparently, a well-known ballad collection, I take it. Thanks all, Michael |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Jan 04 - 09:12 AM Most of the universities with listings in COPAC have copies, it seems, as does the British Library of course. There appear to have been at least two printings in the "Chandos Classics" or "Chandos Poets" series, c. 1868 and 1887, and John S Roberts himself was from Newcastle... |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jan 04 - 10:08 AM Once you have a good idea what it is, finding a copy to compare it to shouldn't be a problem. You could even do something so simple as to make contact with a librarian at a library with the book in the collection, and fax a couple of pages back and forth to see if they compare. You'll find they generally enjoy this kind of mystery! Meanwhile, I went into WorldCat and found five citations. I emailed the detailed version of each to myself, and here they are.--SRS Database: WorldCat Query: (au: John and au: S. and au: Roberts) and (((ti: LEGENDARY and ti: BALLADS and ti: ENGLAND) AND ti: SCOTLAND)) The legendary ballads of England and Scotland. John S Roberts 1868 English Book xi, 628 p. front. (port.) plates 20cm. London, New York, F. Warne Scribner, Welford Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 129 Connect to the catalog at University of Texas at Arlington Libraries External Resources: Request this! (UTA ILL Online) More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Find Items About: Roberts, John S.,max: 1 Title: The legendary ballads of England and Scotland. Author(s): Roberts, John S., fl. 1868-1882. Publication: London, F. Warne New York, Scribner, Welford Year: 1868 Description: xi, 628 p. front. (port.) plates 20cm. Language: English Series: The Chandos poets; Standard No: LCCN: 15-23445 SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Ballads, English -- England -- Texts. Ballads, Scots -- Scotland -- Texts. Legends -- England. Legends -- Scotland. Class Descriptors: LC: PR1181; Dewey: 821.04 Responsibility: Comp. and ed. by John S. Roberts. With original illustrations and steel portrait. Document Type: Book Entry: 19730103 Update: 20030511 Accession No: OCLC: 528006 Database: WorldCat -------------------------------------------------- The legendary ballads of England and Scotland. John S Roberts 1890 English Book xii, 628 p. 20 cm. London, New York, F. Warne, Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 15 Connect to the catalog at University of Texas at Arlington Libraries External Resources: Request this! (UTA ILL Online) More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Find Items About: Roberts, John S.,max: 1 Title: The legendary ballads of England and Scotland. Author(s): Roberts, John S., fl. 1868-1882. Publication: London, New York, F. Warne, Year: 1890 Description: xii, 628 p. 20 cm. Language: English Series: The Chandos classics; SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: English ballads and songs. Scottish ballads and songs. Legends -- England. Legends -- Scotland. Class Descriptors: LC: PR1181 Responsibility: Comp. and ed. by John S. Roberts. Document Type: Book Entry: 19810107 Update: 19960608 Accession No: OCLC: 7050065 Database: WorldCat -------------------------------------------------- The legendary ballads of England and Scotland / John S Roberts 1887 English Book xi, 628 p. : port., plates ; 20 cm. London : F. Warne, Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 24 Connect to the catalog at University of Texas at Arlington Libraries External Resources: Request this! (UTA ILL Online) More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Find Items About: Roberts, John S.,max: 1 Title: The legendary ballads of England and Scotland / Author(s): Roberts, John S.,; fl. 1868-1882, ; comp. and ed. Publication: London : F. Warne, Year: 1887 Description: xi, 628 p. : port., plates ; 20 cm. Language: English Series: The Chandos poets.; SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: English ballads and songs. Scottish ballads and songs. Legends -- England. Legends -- Scotland. Class Descriptors: LC: PR1181 Responsibility: Comp. and ed. by John S. Roberts ... Document Type: Book Entry: 19810630 Update: 20010426 Accession No: OCLC: 7540009 Database: WorldCat -------------------------------------------------- The legendary ballads of England and Scotland / John S Roberts 1871 English Book 626 p. : ill. London : Frederick Warne & Co., Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 6 Connect to the catalog at University of Texas at Arlington Libraries External Resources: Request this! (UTA ILL Online) More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Find Items About: Roberts, John S.,max: 1 Title: The legendary ballads of England and Scotland / Author(s): Roberts, John S., fl. 1868-1882. Publication: London : Frederick Warne & Co., Year: 1871 Description: 626 p. : ill. Language: English Series: Lansdowne poets; SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: English ballads and songs. Scottish ballads and songs. Responsibility: comp. and ed. by John S. Roberts. Document Type: Book Entry: 19860509 Update: 19940529 Accession No: OCLC: 13551529 Database: WorldCat -------------------------------------------------- The Chandos poets : the legendary ballads of England and Scotland / John S Roberts 1868 Book London : Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 1 Connect to the catalog at University of Texas at Arlington Libraries External Resources: Request this! (UTA ILL Online) More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Find Items About: Roberts, John S.1 Title: The Chandos poets : the legendary ballads of England and Scotland / Author(s): Roberts, John S. Publication: London : Year: 1868 Language: Undetermined Responsibility: John S. Roberts [Hrsg.]. Document Type: Book Entry: 19940227 Update: 20010222 Accession No: OCLC: 46276507 Database: WorldCat -------------------------------------------------- FirstSearch(r) Copyright (c) 1992-2004 OCLC as to electronic presentation and platform. All Rights Reserved. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Billy Weeks Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:00 PM I have a very nice copy of this book (said he smugly) which I bought about 40 or 50 years ago. It is in Warne's 'Chandos Classics' series, in a nice nice cloth gilt and decorated binding, published c1887, which puts it in the middle range of the Sage's list of editions, above. The end papers are publisher's ads. Roberts, in his preface, acknowledges his debt to William Aytoun and Francis James Child. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: EBarnacle Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:33 PM So, what is the value of a clean copy worth, just as a matter of curiousity, he asked? |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:54 PM Not a great deal. There are "good" and "very good" copies currently listed at prices ranging from £15 to £25. Alibris has one at £49, but they are middlemen and often impose large mark-ups on normal dealers' prices. I avoid them where possible. If selling to a dealer, I doubt if you would get more than about £10, maybe less, for G or VG: a bit more for "near fine" or "fine", I expect (these categories are very subjective, of course). |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:57 PM You won't get rich selling your copy. I did a quick search at ABEbooks.com:
The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland London: Frederick Warne & Co. Full-Leather. Good/No Jacket. Very attractive leather-bound book. Undated but inscription on fep reads "Grandma from Robbie, Xmas 1879". Leather with gilt leaf design on edges of cover, and gilt page edges. Front and back cover have crack at spine Bookseller Inventory #000093 Price: US$ 17.00 Ed: Roberts, John S: The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland Warne, undated Hardback edition in original boards with gilt and black inlay to front board and spine. This is a very nice book. Slight bumping and rubbing to boards. Owner's inscription to f.e.p. Bookseller Inventory #16901 Price: US$ 17.45 ROBERTS John S (compiled & edited by): The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland (Frederick Warne [Chandos Classics] no date) Presents texts only - ie, no music - for a a good selection of traditional ballads, the result being similar to Percy's "Reliques". One of the Chandos Classics poetry series in brown binding, title colophons in gilt on front and spine, the latter being somewhat darkened. A little fraying at head. A couple of brown streaks appear at edge of first few pages, but overall quite clean for its evident age. Bookseller Inventory #7194 Price: US$ 22.04 There are more like this, and the price tops out on the 15th copy:
The Legendary Ballads Of England And Scotland London: Frederick Warne & Co. 1868 12mo, pp628, The Chandos Poets series. NVG, full green leather, gilt spine, gilt Rugby School motif on front board, a.e.g., raised bands, lightly faded spine, light. shelfwear, book plate on front paste down, & previous owner inscription. Bookseller Inventory #010916 Price: US$ 91.78 |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Folkiedave Date: 20 Jan 04 - 02:35 PM And I do a copy for £16.00 Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Nerd Date: 20 Jan 04 - 04:20 PM According to the U of Pennsylvania library's copies, Scribner's issued this book in the US, so it's probably available in used book shops on both sides of the pond. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: open mike Date: 20 Jan 04 - 04:57 PM i did a search on abebooks and found 4 copies... 2 in the U.K. at dancing goat books in Norfolk, one in New York and one in VT. $22 - $75 dollars. 1. ROBERTS John S (compiled & edited by): The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland (Frederick Warne [Chandos Classics] no date). Presents texts only - ie, no music - for a a good selection of traditional ballads, the result being similar to Percy's "Reliques". One of the Chandos Classics poetry series in brown binding, title colophons in gilt on front and spine, the latter being somewhat darkened. A little fraying at head. A couple of brown streaks appear at edge of first few pages, but overall quite clean for its evident age. Bookseller Inventory #7194 Price: US$ 22.04 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: The Dancing Goat Bookshop, Norfolk, NFK, United Kingdom (Search this Seller's Books)(Ask Bookseller a Question) Add to Basket Book Details 2. ROBERTS John S (compiled & edited by): The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland Frederick Warne 1887). [Text only + short introductory notes to a collection of mainly traditional ballads].Plain green boards with some spotting on rear; spine dull with wear at head, foot and centre (where an abrasion occurs). Title colophon scuffed. Front hinge weak. Bookseller Inventory #6388 Price: US$ 27.55 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: The Dancing Goat Bookshop, Norfolk, NFK, United Kingdom (Search this Seller's Books)(Ask Bookseller a Question) Add to Basket Book Details 3. Roberts, John S. THE LEGENDARY BALLADS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND London 1887. Sm.8vo., 626pp. Good, cover soiled, some wear. Bookseller Inventory #a26591 Price: US$ 45.00 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: Xerxes Books, Glen Head, NY, U.S.A. (Search this Seller's Books)(Ask Bookseller a Question) Add to Basket Book Details 4. Roberts, John S., editor. LEGENDARY BALLADS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, THE London: Frederick Warne & Co. Cloth. Good/No jacket. 12mo - over 6¾" - 7¾" tall. 628pp. N.D. Inscription is dated 1887. The "Chandos Classics" is noted on the title page. Texts only. Rich collection of ballads; editor expresses gratitude to Prof. Child for his work in collecting, and many others in addition to the numbered ballads. Spine and edges of boards yellowed; some chipping and corner wear. Hinge cracked but intact, with a few tears. Bookseller Inventory #6667 Price: US$ 75.00 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: Country Bookshop [Member VABA], Plainfield, VT, U.S.A. (Search this Seller's Books)(Ask Bookseller a Question) |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 20 Jan 04 - 10:47 PM Well... MichaelR....It appears....my offer of $20 US is your only offer for a pig-in-the-poke....and a damn good offer it appears too.
Post your address, I'll send the cash and address ..... upon receipt of both....you can send the book.
Sincerely nice to business you. Gargoyle |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 04 - 12:19 AM Here are a few from Alibris. Check it out, because the icons showing 'reliability' didn't come through here. That one coming all of the way from Oz is expensive and they had only 2 out of 5 possible stars under the "reliability" heading. 1. Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland, the. by Roberts, John S. (Ed. ) price: $29.95 Ships within 2 to 3 days Publisher: F. Warne, London Date Published: c1887 Description: Wraps bound into home-made cover w/spine title totally unrelated, 627pps, small 8vo, slight dirt to tp else a very clean and tight copy. seller information: Name: Bohemian Bookworm, NY, USA 2. The 'Chandos Classics': the Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland. by Roberts, John S. price: $31.15 Ships within 3 weeks Description: No Date (1880's? ). Frederick Warne. First. Good-, coming away from spine. 7. 5x5. 628pp. 431g. This book contains many well-known ballads and poems which have been preserved by tradition or through the medium of the printer. seller information: Name: The Internet Bookshop UK Ltd, UNITED KINGDOM 3. The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland. by Roberts, John S. (Compiler And Editor). price: $33.43 Ships within 3 weeks Description: No date. Frederick Warne. First? Slight top spine end damage otherwise VG. Gilt titles on spine. 7x5. 628pp. Decorative endpapers. seller information: Name: The Internet Bookshop UK Ltd, UNITED KINGDOM 4. The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland by Roberts, John S. price: $37.95 Ships within 2 to 3 days Binding: HC Publisher: Frederick Warne and Co. London Date Published: 1868 Description: Very Good in Decorated boards Boards show corner fraying, spine tip rubbing, some cover soiling, repair to the inner hinges, otherwise usual wear read more seller information: Name: Book Baron eShop, CA, USA Reliability: 5. The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland. by Roberts, John S. price: $44.95 Ships within 2 to 3 days Description: London 1887. Sm. 8vo. , 626pp. Good, cover soiled, some wear. read more seller information: Name: Xerxes Books, NY, USA 6. Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland, the. by Roberts, John S. , Editor. price: $74.95 add to wishlist Publisher: London: Frederick Warne & Co. Description: Cloth. Good/No jacket. 12mo-over 6¾"-7¾" tall. 628pp. N.D. Inscription is dated 1887. The "Chandos Classics" is noted on the title page. Texts only. Rich collection of ballads; editor expresses gratitude to Prof. Child for his work in collecting, and many others in addition to the numbered ballads. Spine and edges of boards yellowed; some chipping and corner wear. Hinge cracked but intact, with a few tears. read more seller information: Name: Country Bookshop, VT, USA Reliability: 7. The Legendary Ballads of England and Scotland. by Roberts, John S. Ed. price: $127.95 Ships within 3 weeks Publisher: Frederick Warne & Co. London Date Published: 1868 Description: b/w ills. 12mo, pp628, The Chandos Poets series. NVG, full green leather, gilt spine, gilt Rugby School motif on front board, a. e. g. , raised bands, lightly faded spine, light. shelfwear, book plate on front paste down, & previous owner inscription. read more seller information: Name: Icon Books, AUSTRALIA |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: open mike Date: 21 Jan 04 - 01:43 AM gargoyle--michael never mentioined sellling his book.. if you want to buy one i suggest contacting someone whose book is for sale--several choices have been posted. ALIBRIS is a re-seller and adds a mark-up to dealer's prices. the ABE books titles would be your best bet. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 04 - 10:35 AM I have a book, one of a pair, that I'd like to find the mate to. My book is Irish Minstrelsy or Bardic Remains of Ireland; with English Poetical Translations, vol. 1. This is "collected and edited, with notes and illustrations, by James Hardiman, M.R.I.A. It was published in London: Joseph Robins, Bride Court, Bridge Street. 1831. Even the 1971 U.S. reprint is pretty expensive. There are only two copies that turn up at ABE, and the old one, if both are present, is rather valuable. But alas, I have only one from the set. (And even if I had both, I would keep them). SRS |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 21 Jan 04 - 07:32 PM Gargoyle, I am not interested in selling the book. But as should be clear by now, there are numerous copies out there for sale. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: michaelr Date: 21 Jan 04 - 07:33 PM And thanks to SRS and the other searchers! Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 21 Jan 04 - 10:26 PM MICHAELR
Sorry you were not soliciting....here is a quick chance for you....to turn a buck. I do not want any other book I want ONLY the book you have noted in this thread.....I will double my offer to $40.00 US (but you cover postage)
Sincerely,
There don't you "feel better" you have been offered almost 100-fold what you paid for a "collector's item"....and by refusing to sell....you "know" it must be worth much more. Donate a buck to Max's MC the next time he humbles himself with "cap-in-hand."
However, my offer is sincere....40US....your can't make THAT in today's stock market! |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Jan 04 - 11:40 PM Michael, what an opportunity--you can sell Garg your beaten up copy and buy a nice clean one to replace it and still have a couple of bucks to stick in your pocket. :) |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Folkiedave Date: 22 Jan 04 - 05:51 PM If gargoyle would like to contat me I can take that offer up!! Regards, Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 04:53 PM Here's the link to his book list, if you decide to do a little wheeling and dealing. |
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Subject: RE: ID this Ballad book From: Folkiedave Date: 23 Jan 04 - 05:17 PM Thanks for that!! I am reluctant to overadvertise!! Which is why I don't do a clicky. Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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