BS: in God he trust?

Subject: BS: in God he trust?
From: tar_heel
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:14 PM

This guy needs some serious language management....geesh






       In God He Trusts

         Howard Dean searches for the Almighty--and we search for both of them.

       OpinionJournal.com
       BY CHRISTOPHER BUCKLEY
       Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:01 a.m.

       "In a shift, Howard Dean says he will mention God more often in his
       campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination."

       --New York Times, Jan. 4

       Your Google Search for "Howard Dean" and "God" resulted in 49,201 matches.

       "God, it's great to be here with you in Iowa."

       "I think I have some pretty goddamned good ideas on how to fix the
       economy."

       "God, I love Florida."

       "I swear to God, if I didn't live in Vermont, I'd live here in New
       Hampshire. What a fantastic state you have here."

       "God, I wish I got to spend more time in South Carolina."

       "There are times, as a physician, when there's a temptation to think of yourself as God, like when you have to tell a patient, 'That toe's gotta go.' You have to watch yourself."

       "No, I'm not gonna unseal my record as governor. It's none of your
       goddamn business, anyway."

       "In college, I saw this play, 'Waiting for Godot," about two homeless
       people waiting for Republican trickle-down economics to reach them. It made a profound impression on me."

       "You got more corn than God here in Iowa."

       "Another pancake? God no, I couldn't, thank you, I'm stuffed, I can't
       breathe. But I've always said that the best pancakes in the country are the ones in New Hampshire. Though I think we make pretty good maple syrup in Vermont."

       "God knows I'm no theologian, but I preferred the original New Testament version, where Noah strikes a match inside the whale and builds a fire and it coughs him out onto the island. It's a powerful message about man being able to control his own destiny."
       (MAN, did he blow this one!!!)

       "Some days on the campaign trail, you wake up and you say to yourself, 'God, where am I?' You look out the motel window and you see all this corn, so you think, 'Must be Iowa.' Then some staffer comes in and tells you it's South Carolina, where they also grow corn, indeed, very good corn, only not in the same quantities."

       "God it's cold in Maine this time of year. But that's what makes this
       such a great state--your ability to be cold and go on functioning."

       "Rhode Island may not be the biggest state in the country, but every
       time I'm here I think, 'This is just God's little acre."

       "It's great to be in Boston, where as the saying goes, the Cabots speak only to the Kerrys, and the Kerrys speak only to God."

       "As a physician, there were, God knows, many times I had to stick my fingers into someone's mouth the way they did with Saddam. It's never enjoyable, in fact, it's often downright unpleasant. But you do it because it's your job."

       "Not likeable? I think I'm extremely likeable. Hey, goddamnit--look at
       me when I talk to you."

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:21 PM

uh, ya ever listen to the Nixon tapes...?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: LadyJean
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:38 PM

My ancestors got kicked out of France for being the wrong kind of Christians. They became Irish, which was self improvement. But still and all, I get very nervous when a politicial waxes religious. I wish Dean would say that he wants to be president of a nation where every citizen may call her soul her own.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:53 AM

Oh God. Is this the best the God damned U.S. can do to try to defeat Bush? Its God awful when an educated man speaks like that in public. God bless the guy for trying to sound like a common man. I swear to God, I remember when I voted for the first time. I was standing in the polling booth mumbling, "God knows I waited a long time to be able to cast my ballot and the choice is no choice at all!" God, I was young but somehow I don't think U.S. politics has changed very much.

God and Mary protect us.

d

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 09:21 AM

"God knows I'm no theologian, but I preferred the original New Testament version, where Noah strikes a match inside the whale and builds a fire and it coughs him out onto the island. It's a powerful message about man being able to control his own destiny."


Priceless!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM

no...MATCHless!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,MisMatched
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:47 AM

Did Dean really say that?

Wuz that Noah feller swallered by that well afore 577 AD?   

"Matches: China, Sixth Century AD. The first version of the match was invented in 577 AD by impoverished court ladies during a military siege. Hard pressed for tinder during the siege, they could otherwise not start fires for cooking, heating, etc. The matches consisted of little sticks of pinewood impregnated with sulfur. There is no evidence of matches in Europe before 1530."

Dean can't hold a light (or match) to Bush's 'in God he trust' language as a "borned" again Christian.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 12:48 PM

Call me picky, picky but isn't a Dean religious office in a Universtity?

As someone (mnyone) said and it may have been Will Rogers

In God we trust - everyone else pays cash.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:06 AM

Um... it was Jonah, not Noah, in the whale, wasn't it, matches or not?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,MisMatched
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:24 AM

Mr. Dean said Noah. I think that is why his quote above is so especially bizarre. Mr. Dean probably never sang songs in Sundee Skool like I did:

"Who Built the Ark, Noah, Noah! Who Built the Ark, Brother Noah Built The Ark."

And

"Who did, who did, ... Who did swallow Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo...
Whale Did... swallow Jonah down."

How did that man ever get through medical school!?

MisMatched

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: jeffp
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:27 AM

Wasn't it Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket who built the fire inside the whale?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:37 AM

Dean comes across pretty well from those - sense of cheeky humour, especially when it comes to classifying Pinocchio as part of The New Testament.

Pretty clear he hasn't a chance in hell of getting the nomination. Not pompous enough.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 10:14 AM

"God it's cold in Maine this time of year. But that's what makes this such a great state--your ability to be cold and go on functioning."

Nobody could be that dense!


Except maybe bush JR.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,MisMatched
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 11:03 AM

jeffp,

It was the cricket and the saw-dust brained puppet (that sounds like Mr. Bush Jr.). I think it was also Monstro the whale?

I wonder if the 1940 version on VHS tape or DVD of 'Pinocchio' is available? Last time I checked it was out of print. I would like to purchase a copy. You guys brought back old childhood memories!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 11:36 AM

What's wrong with that joke, Sinsull? It's not fall-down-laughing funny, but it seems quite a pleasant thing to say, with a light touch. An ice-breaking remark.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:01 PM

Too funny!

Yes, the match and fire was Gepetto (not Pinocchio) from Disney's version of the Pinocchio story.

Yes, it was Johah who was swallowed by a “great fish.”

No, it isn't the New Testament, it's in the Old Testament in—of all places—the Book of Jonah!

Where do we get these guys?

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,MisMatched
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:24 PM

Mark,

man, I am glad we got you "bliblekill" skolars on mudcat to keep us heathern' strayt.

We get um frum the funnie books.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 12:35 PM

But surely that was the joke? Treating Disney's Pinocchio as part of the modern day New Testament.

Still, if he was being a touch ironical, I imagine that is a pretty serious mistake for anyone running for President of the USA. And if he wasn't, he was being pretty thick. So either way he loses.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 06:10 PM

I don't believe any of those are authentic quotes. They're funny, though.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 06:34 PM

I just did a Google search for the phrase "Noah strikes a match inside the whale" (in quotes) and I found several references to Christopher Buckley's article, but I also found the quote being posted to several discussion forums (like Mudcat) WITHOUT attributing it to Buckley. Looks like this is a joke that is getting out of hand—people are repeating it as if it's true.

I would like to call attention to the following:

1. Christopher Buckley is a humorist.

2. Christopher Buckley is a conservative. I suppose he is the conservatives' nearest equivalent to Al Franken. He likes to make fun of liberals. He is the son of William F. Buckley.

3. It should be noted that the only quote for which a source is cited is the first one: "In a shift, Howard Dean says he will mention God more often in his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination." --New York Times, Jan. 4
Buckley doesn't cite any source for the other quotes because he made them up!
Case closed.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 06:40 PM

I can understand how some religious people might be offended by his use of "God" sprinkled throughout his everyday speech.

But I would like to know why it is necessary for someone to have any knowlege of the Bible whatever in order to be a perfectly good president. As far as I can see, knowlege of the Bible only necessary for the position of preacher, minister, priest, or nun.

How did that man ever get through medical school!?

Are you saying that a Buddhist, for instance, would not have the skills or intelligence needed in order to get through medical school?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 08:27 PM

As far as I can see, knowlege of the Bible only necessary for the position of preacher, minister, priest, or nun

...oops. And in the case of the Old Testament, Rabbi and Cantor.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:03 PM

I'd have thought that anyonee without a reasonable knowledge of the Bible would be pretty poorly equipped to teach English Literature.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:10 PM

Not in the US, McGrath.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:12 AM

I thought that "In God we Truss" was the motto of the guild of surgical appliance manufacturers.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:19 AM

"If you're happy and you no it clap your hands"
OH NO
A METHODIST SUNDY SCHOOL FLASHBACK!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:24 AM

So, the whale story is in the Gospel According to Walt?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:40 AM

I'd have thought that anyonee without a reasonable knowledge of the Bible would be pretty poorly equipped to teach English Literature. (McGrath)
Not in the US, McGrath (Carol)

...for a science book like the Bible in the USA doesn't qualify as English literature.

Wolfgang (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:50 AM

It's not really English literature though, is it? It's ancient (pre-England) literature from what is now the Middle East, the Mediterranean region, and parts of Africa, written by people who spoke Aramaic (and Hebrew?), and translated into Greek, and then English.

You're right about it being used in lieu of a science book in some parts of the US though, Wolfgang. So I add teachers at some religious schools to my list.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:11 PM

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice??????

Think about it .

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer s ay Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!




This is an editorial written by an
American citizen, published in a
Tampa newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS,NOT AMERICANS,MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority
of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there
are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.


We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!
AMEN

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM

Geeze, Guest -- who says you can't say "Merry Christmas" if you want to?

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM

Good point, GUEST. Time to go back to the true North American way of life. Screw the immigrants. Which pre-Columbian language and religion are you going to adopt as your own?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM

Carol
You're part of the problem. I bet you had a problem as a kid with reading comprehension. What was said was:

"I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants".

Plus this was a statment about what the country was founded on and that immigrants need to adapt. Not adopting a new religion & language. Why would you say screw the immigrants? Aren't you late for your PTA/Soccer Mom meeting?

Tim

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: DougR
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:48 PM

Tim: you sure do know how to stir the pot. However, assuming that was not your purpose, I agree with a great deal written in that editorial.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:53 PM

That editorial misses a central truth, IMO. It is directed only at immigrants -- what about those native-born Americans who disagree with "In God we Trust" and "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?

I agree with the editorial, mainly, and think it applies in Canada as well -- those who choose new lives in this country should adapt to the mores and laws of this country. However, both immigrants and progress bring change, and a country cannot be hidebound in its perspectives.

Secularity is on the rise throughout the world, and if more and more people want God removed from public life, that is the direction the culture is taking. Denying that is denying reality.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:56 PM

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! ...


This sounds pretty reactionary and close-minded to me. I for one am not perfectly happy with "how we do things" in the good old USA -- for one thing I cannot believe that we have had public education in this country for as long as we have -- since the late nineteenth century?-- and still produce such a rabid flock of illiterate jingoists and chauvinistic rabble-rousers, the kind of people who a few decades back would have been carrying otrches in a lynching parade.

If the author thinks that this is an example of tolerating free speech then I feel sorry for those who still believe we have some ideals guiding the country. This is just ill-mannered redneck hate-mongering.


A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:57 PM

Wasn't trying to stir a pot but I'm just sick and tired of walking on egg shell's in this country. I spent 4 years in the USMC fighting for OUR way of life. I come home (2 months ago) and people like Carol tell me I should not call them Asians, or Arabs. They are Asian Americans, or Arab Americans. FUCK NO they're Americans! And as Americans we speak one language (that's English not Spanglish, or Chinglish). And honor one flag. That's why my some of my buddies came home in black rubber bags. So we can all live under one umbrella. If you don't like it please leave.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:59 PM

I'm flattered you would think I'm so young, Tim. My son, however, is in his fourth year at university about a thousand miles away from me, and he gets himself to wherever he needs to be.

At any rate, maybe its your reading comprehension that is not so good. Or at least you don't appear to have any capacity to detect irony. I was speaking to the attitude of the post, which I find to be quite hypocritical, not to the specifics of it.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:04 PM

Oh, great- another fecking brain-dead, foul-mouthed Marine Without A Clue.

WHY do some of these guys feel compelled to validate the stereotype?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM

If you don't like it please leave.

See, when people use language like that on those of us who use our freedom to disagree, I think maybe they didn't go fighting in any wars for my freedoms. They went and fought in a war so they could tell me to shut up. Guess what. You didn't fight in any wars for me. You fought for Halliburton's right to fleece the Iraqi people. Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:09 PM

Carol
I'm back from the Anbar Prov and I have one thing to say for the condition of our troops, country and our current adminstration. YOU & YOUR SHINNY COLLEGE STUDENT OF A SON BETTER GET READY FOR THE DRAFT. Your son has a SSN number right. Well guess where he is going in the next 4 years. To defend AMERICA! Ok somebody strike up the band for Carol and her soon to be butchered son.

T

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM

Dear T:

Thanks for making it back in one piece. Thanks for doing what you did over there. I am glad you survived.

I would like to suggest you think hard about the facts concerning who is defending what in Iraq. As far as I know there was no attack by Iraq against the United States, although I am open to correction. It was only when we invaded the country that some of them started shooting back. Maybe they didn't understand about the democracy thing, I guess.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM

Hey Greg
You Fucking hypocrit! I bet you sat on your fat ass after Sept 11th and thought us brain dead jar head on every foot we fought to win. But what does a terrorist like you know. I also know that we'll be the 1st group you'll come running to when someone blow's up a shopping mall with your kids in it. And by the way assholes! I fought for the man who was standing next to me. This group is a Lazy bunch of mother fuckers who wouldn't lift a finger to save yourselves. And you'd probably sell out your own religion to save that strip mall down the road.

Freaks

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:18 PM

So you're saying that Bush is going to reinstate the draft, GUEST,19 Oct 04 - 03:09 PM? Am I reading you correctly there?

Our troops (for whom I have great respect and admiration) have been misused by the Bush administration. They are not in Iraq to protect the US. They are in Iraq for entirely other reasons than protecting the US. I don't want ANY more of our brave young men and women to be sent over there for the wrong reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:23 PM

A
Our job as Marines is not to worry about what the commander and chief (asshole) as deceided to do.   Instead Our job is to kill what is stopping us from our objective, and protect our 6. I really don't care about the he said she said. This is the problem with the country. Devil in the details! And becuase you have so much FREEDOM and time on your hands, you sit around and debate these needless issues.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:24 PM

Guest:

WOuld you be willing to describe your experiences over there in a new thread? I, for one, would be really interested in hearing/reading about what you went through.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:24 PM

Maybe we don't want our sons and daughters to be sent into harm's way for reasons we don't think are legitimate. I would hardly call that a needless issue.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM

Carol
Yes. Matter fact. My Battalion CO and Company 1st Sgt where making contingency plans for logistics in 2005 and 6. These plans where contingent on a current congressional study on how the draft will run. Silly people, CNN doesn't tell all. Better your son then me! Keep pushing those kids out people. We need forward observers in the field.

OOOOH yea one last thing. The objective of premptive war is to ensure the bad guy's don't get over the fence. My buddy who is with 3/2 was on patrol last year. His team found intel with information on various targets in the.... How do you say it Amos. the good ole USA. But Carol you keep watching that CNN and get all of your accurate information.

Godspeed

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:36 PM

Your delight in the prospect of my son's death, Tim, says a lot about not only you as a human being, but it also says a lot about the kind of thinking that you are being encouraged to engage in. That sort of thinking is guaranteed to cause you a LOT of difficult and painful days in your life ahead. I know. I used to be married to a Vietnam Veteran.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:40 PM

So you go ahead and vote on Nov 2nd. Guess what you'll get. The same fucking occupation. Your vote doesn't make a shit's difference with the war. Thats why its needless. There is nothing you or I can do about this issue. The government is a Kodiak Bear coming at you. The best you can do is play dead. The government is an object that is hosted by special interest groups. Haliburton... You think this is about Haliburton. Well I got news for everyone. Haliburton is a distraction for all of the agency work that is going on. Again the govenment is going to to do what it wants and there aint a godamn thing you can do. Its funny. In the 60's (your generation Carol)your people had a good thing. Stand up to the government. Why don't you do it now...... Why because that would distract from your creatures of comfort. God for bid you stand up for what you believe in. Thats what I did. I stood up for what I believe in. So I joined the Military.

2 types of people in the world - Walkers and Talkers.

What have you done lately. Nothing except talk the talk. Can you walk the walk.... Probably not.

I'm done, good luck you clueless bunch.