BS: in God he trust?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 07:45 PM

'Your Google Search for "Howard Dean" and "God" resulted in 49,201 matches.'


My Google Search for "George W Bush", God, produces 1,700,000 matches.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:35 PM

I was at the Vietnam memorial a few years ago (I'm Canadian, btw) and I saw a guy the size of a house, in leather and tattoos, crying. It broke my heart - I gave him a hug and we talked for a few minutes. He had gone through an ugly hell that most of us don't understand at all. Of course tell service people that you are proud of them and support them. Help them get home if they are stuck at an airport; help their families if they are in need while their soldier is away; help them in any way you can.

Because the fucking Bush Administration sure isn't doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:33 PM

Amos
Boy we got way off my orginal post. Adapt adjust, overcome, & Unify!

Thank you for your kind words.

Godspeed to all my brothers with the 22nd MEU....

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:23 PM

Okay, MArine. Let me tell you one last thing:

I am proud of you. And I am proud of all your fellows.

No matter what I think of your C-in-C, I know you guys are among the best humans walking.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:18 PM

Well said. But do me a favor. The next time you're in an airport and you see that Marine, Airman, Sailor etc. Walk up to him/her and thank him/her. Tell then how proud you are of him/her. It means a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:06 PM

"I'm from Wisconsin, and I know McCarthyism when I see it," Democratic Rep. David Obey (news, bio, voting record) said at another hearing, referring to the red-baiting hearings of the early 1950s that eventually disgraced the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wis. "So let's can the character attacks. ... Let's try to figure out how you can get out of this hash by leveling with each other."

You will never succeed in shutting up people who have something honest to say, Marine. Nor should it ever be in your interest to do so. You ay say what you will. If your morale, or that of your fellows, depends on your fellow citizens satying mute, then you are fighting for the wrong people, pal.

The ones you want to defend are those who HAVE disagreements. Your morale comes from your OWN convictions, not those of someone else. You want to put your life on the line for a bunch of wusses who can't think for themselves?

Suck it up. You're plenty tough. Make up your own goddam mind.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM

There you go Marine boy. Not nearly as complicated as you surmised eh? The world really needs people like you. And no I don't follow the you've been damaged by what you've seen bullshit. You were probably a nasty piece of work before you went out there. If you went out there. Now be a good lad and go and play a video game.

So what was your MOS? Whats the matter no balls? You fucking 12 yr old behind a keyboard.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:43 PM

Before Bush sent him to Iraq, Guest was probably a pretty decent guy, who hadn't had to experience the horrors he has gone through, and that Bush never had to go through in Vietnam because he turned tail and ran, and never had to grow up.

Commander in Chief? I don't think so. Guest would have defended the US well and strongly -- you can tell from his posts. But Bush used him. We all know that. Guest knows that, hence his anger. His anger really should be directed at the BA, however.

IMO, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:40 PM

duellingb's missed out one word between 'You're' and 'I am'. That word was 'right'. Hardly the crime of the century.

There you go Marine boy. Not nearly as complicated as you surmised eh? The world really needs people like you. And no I don't follow the you've been damaged by what you've seen bullshit. You were probably a nasty piece of work before you went out there. If you went out there. Now be a good lad and go and play a video game.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:31 PM

I'll take that as a "no", then. Thanks anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:30 PM

Thanks Tim. And thank you for your service. I'm very sorry for whatever losses you have experienced.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:28 PM

You're I am.... And you're English and you teach from what I can tell.

I think what you're trying to gramatically put together is this.

Take out the You're = You Are of course- Wrong in this sentence.

You want to start the sentence like this.

I'm or I am English.....

Talk about a piss poor IQ. God I can only hope you don't teach.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:23 PM

You're I am English and you're right, I don't understand the difference between a Marine and an Army bloke. Hence, oddly enough, my question. Can you explain without hyperbole and bluster, please?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:19 PM

Our friend Tim appears to be a Marine, duellingbouzoukis. Not Army.

Thanks for the clarification. I believe he is a Brit. He probably doesn't understand the difference.

Army digs fox hole - what do foxes do? Run away.

Marines dig a fighting hole - We hold the line!

In my early statment I mentioned your son and a draft. Please forgive my anger. I've seen to much in the past year to comprehend what is an attack and what is not (verbal or physical). I truly hope and pray to god that he doesn't have to go to the big sand. But it sure is looking that way. Good luck and take care.

One voice from the front
In loving memory of LCPL Charles Young 2nd Recon Bn 2nd Mar Div. 26th MEU - "Make every day count and FTW"

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:16 PM

And, incidentally, Tim, "I thought I was done with this thread". Bollocks, my dear sir. You're enjoying this far too much, aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:15 PM

What's the difference between the Army and the Marines, then? The IQ?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:04 PM

Tim, when the government is doing things it shouldn't be doing with our troops, it's those of us at home who speak up, and yes, even sometimes put ourselves at risk (and even die... ever heard of Kent State?), who are fighting to protect your freedom. Don't discourage us from doing that. You need us as much as we need you.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:58 PM

Our friend Tim appears to be a Marine, duellingbouzoukis. Not Army.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:55 PM

I thought I was done with this thread. But reading the yahoo news i came across this tid bit. I have more respect for the man with an RPG firing on my position, then our own countrymen... Why because he makes a stand on what he believes, and doesn't question his cause.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=6&u=/ap/20041019/ap_on_re_us/helping_the_enemy

This is how we feel over there. You say you support our troops. Keep bitchin about something that is out of your control and this is the end result. Thanks for the support everyone! Keep splitting hairs and more Marines will come home mamed or DEAD!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:47 PM

My buddy who is with 3/2 was on patrol last year. His team found intel with information on various targets in the.... How do you say it Amos. the good ole USA

What intel, exactly?


A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:08 PM

Jesus! If this bloke's representative of the American army as a whole no wonder the Iraqis don't like them!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:59 PM

Nice talking with you.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:40 PM

So you go ahead and vote on Nov 2nd. Guess what you'll get. The same fucking occupation. Your vote doesn't make a shit's difference with the war. Thats why its needless. There is nothing you or I can do about this issue. The government is a Kodiak Bear coming at you. The best you can do is play dead. The government is an object that is hosted by special interest groups. Haliburton... You think this is about Haliburton. Well I got news for everyone. Haliburton is a distraction for all of the agency work that is going on. Again the govenment is going to to do what it wants and there aint a godamn thing you can do. Its funny. In the 60's (your generation Carol)your people had a good thing. Stand up to the government. Why don't you do it now...... Why because that would distract from your creatures of comfort. God for bid you stand up for what you believe in. Thats what I did. I stood up for what I believe in. So I joined the Military.

2 types of people in the world - Walkers and Talkers.

What have you done lately. Nothing except talk the talk. Can you walk the walk.... Probably not.

I'm done, good luck you clueless bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:36 PM

Your delight in the prospect of my son's death, Tim, says a lot about not only you as a human being, but it also says a lot about the kind of thinking that you are being encouraged to engage in. That sort of thinking is guaranteed to cause you a LOT of difficult and painful days in your life ahead. I know. I used to be married to a Vietnam Veteran.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM

Carol
Yes. Matter fact. My Battalion CO and Company 1st Sgt where making contingency plans for logistics in 2005 and 6. These plans where contingent on a current congressional study on how the draft will run. Silly people, CNN doesn't tell all. Better your son then me! Keep pushing those kids out people. We need forward observers in the field.

OOOOH yea one last thing. The objective of premptive war is to ensure the bad guy's don't get over the fence. My buddy who is with 3/2 was on patrol last year. His team found intel with information on various targets in the.... How do you say it Amos. the good ole USA. But Carol you keep watching that CNN and get all of your accurate information.

Godspeed

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:24 PM

Maybe we don't want our sons and daughters to be sent into harm's way for reasons we don't think are legitimate. I would hardly call that a needless issue.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:24 PM

Guest:

WOuld you be willing to describe your experiences over there in a new thread? I, for one, would be really interested in hearing/reading about what you went through.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:23 PM

A
Our job as Marines is not to worry about what the commander and chief (asshole) as deceided to do.   Instead Our job is to kill what is stopping us from our objective, and protect our 6. I really don't care about the he said she said. This is the problem with the country. Devil in the details! And becuase you have so much FREEDOM and time on your hands, you sit around and debate these needless issues.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:18 PM

So you're saying that Bush is going to reinstate the draft, GUEST,19 Oct 04 - 03:09 PM? Am I reading you correctly there?

Our troops (for whom I have great respect and admiration) have been misused by the Bush administration. They are not in Iraq to protect the US. They are in Iraq for entirely other reasons than protecting the US. I don't want ANY more of our brave young men and women to be sent over there for the wrong reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM

Hey Greg
You Fucking hypocrit! I bet you sat on your fat ass after Sept 11th and thought us brain dead jar head on every foot we fought to win. But what does a terrorist like you know. I also know that we'll be the 1st group you'll come running to when someone blow's up a shopping mall with your kids in it. And by the way assholes! I fought for the man who was standing next to me. This group is a Lazy bunch of mother fuckers who wouldn't lift a finger to save yourselves. And you'd probably sell out your own religion to save that strip mall down the road.

Freaks

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM

Dear T:

Thanks for making it back in one piece. Thanks for doing what you did over there. I am glad you survived.

I would like to suggest you think hard about the facts concerning who is defending what in Iraq. As far as I know there was no attack by Iraq against the United States, although I am open to correction. It was only when we invaded the country that some of them started shooting back. Maybe they didn't understand about the democracy thing, I guess.

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:09 PM

Carol
I'm back from the Anbar Prov and I have one thing to say for the condition of our troops, country and our current adminstration. YOU & YOUR SHINNY COLLEGE STUDENT OF A SON BETTER GET READY FOR THE DRAFT. Your son has a SSN number right. Well guess where he is going in the next 4 years. To defend AMERICA! Ok somebody strike up the band for Carol and her soon to be butchered son.

T

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM

If you don't like it please leave.

See, when people use language like that on those of us who use our freedom to disagree, I think maybe they didn't go fighting in any wars for my freedoms. They went and fought in a war so they could tell me to shut up. Guess what. You didn't fight in any wars for me. You fought for Halliburton's right to fleece the Iraqi people. Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:04 PM

Oh, great- another fecking brain-dead, foul-mouthed Marine Without A Clue.

WHY do some of these guys feel compelled to validate the stereotype?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:59 PM

I'm flattered you would think I'm so young, Tim. My son, however, is in his fourth year at university about a thousand miles away from me, and he gets himself to wherever he needs to be.

At any rate, maybe its your reading comprehension that is not so good. Or at least you don't appear to have any capacity to detect irony. I was speaking to the attitude of the post, which I find to be quite hypocritical, not to the specifics of it.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:57 PM

Wasn't trying to stir a pot but I'm just sick and tired of walking on egg shell's in this country. I spent 4 years in the USMC fighting for OUR way of life. I come home (2 months ago) and people like Carol tell me I should not call them Asians, or Arabs. They are Asian Americans, or Arab Americans. FUCK NO they're Americans! And as Americans we speak one language (that's English not Spanglish, or Chinglish). And honor one flag. That's why my some of my buddies came home in black rubber bags. So we can all live under one umbrella. If you don't like it please leave.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:56 PM

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! ...


This sounds pretty reactionary and close-minded to me. I for one am not perfectly happy with "how we do things" in the good old USA -- for one thing I cannot believe that we have had public education in this country for as long as we have -- since the late nineteenth century?-- and still produce such a rabid flock of illiterate jingoists and chauvinistic rabble-rousers, the kind of people who a few decades back would have been carrying otrches in a lynching parade.

If the author thinks that this is an example of tolerating free speech then I feel sorry for those who still believe we have some ideals guiding the country. This is just ill-mannered redneck hate-mongering.


A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:53 PM

That editorial misses a central truth, IMO. It is directed only at immigrants -- what about those native-born Americans who disagree with "In God we Trust" and "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?

I agree with the editorial, mainly, and think it applies in Canada as well -- those who choose new lives in this country should adapt to the mores and laws of this country. However, both immigrants and progress bring change, and a country cannot be hidebound in its perspectives.

Secularity is on the rise throughout the world, and if more and more people want God removed from public life, that is the direction the culture is taking. Denying that is denying reality.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: DougR
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:48 PM

Tim: you sure do know how to stir the pot. However, assuming that was not your purpose, I agree with a great deal written in that editorial.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM

Carol
You're part of the problem. I bet you had a problem as a kid with reading comprehension. What was said was:

"I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants".

Plus this was a statment about what the country was founded on and that immigrants need to adapt. Not adopting a new religion & language. Why would you say screw the immigrants? Aren't you late for your PTA/Soccer Mom meeting?

Tim

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM

Good point, GUEST. Time to go back to the true North American way of life. Screw the immigrants. Which pre-Columbian language and religion are you going to adopt as your own?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM

Geeze, Guest -- who says you can't say "Merry Christmas" if you want to?

A

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:11 PM

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice??????

Think about it .

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer s ay Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!




This is an editorial written by an
American citizen, published in a
Tampa newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS,NOT AMERICANS,MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority
of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there
are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.


We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!
AMEN

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:50 AM

It's not really English literature though, is it? It's ancient (pre-England) literature from what is now the Middle East, the Mediterranean region, and parts of Africa, written by people who spoke Aramaic (and Hebrew?), and translated into Greek, and then English.

You're right about it being used in lieu of a science book in some parts of the US though, Wolfgang. So I add teachers at some religious schools to my list.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:40 AM

I'd have thought that anyonee without a reasonable knowledge of the Bible would be pretty poorly equipped to teach English Literature. (McGrath)
Not in the US, McGrath (Carol)

...for a science book like the Bible in the USA doesn't qualify as English literature.

Wolfgang (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:24 AM

So, the whale story is in the Gospel According to Walt?

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:19 AM

"If you're happy and you no it clap your hands"
OH NO
A METHODIST SUNDY SCHOOL FLASHBACK!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:12 AM

I thought that "In God we Truss" was the motto of the guild of surgical appliance manufacturers.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:10 PM

Not in the US, McGrath.

Subject: RE: BS: in God he trust?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 09:03 PM

I'd have thought that anyonee without a reasonable knowledge of the Bible would be pretty poorly equipped to teach English Literature.