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BS: Open Letter to John Kerry

Amos 12 Nov 04 - 11:56 AM
GUEST,Lea Jones 12 Nov 04 - 11:50 AM
Amos 09 Nov 04 - 10:43 PM
GUEST,loving republican 09 Nov 04 - 06:27 PM
GUEST,Jackie Legs 04 Nov 04 - 09:40 AM
red_clay 04 Nov 04 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,Ragnar 03 Nov 04 - 09:11 PM
PoppaGator 03 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM
GUEST,crystalbowman 03 Nov 04 - 04:59 PM
GUEST,wingo 03 Nov 04 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,wingo 03 Nov 04 - 03:24 PM
GUEST,lillie pride 03 Nov 04 - 03:20 PM
GUEST,lillie pride 03 Nov 04 - 03:01 PM
Ron Davies 12 Oct 04 - 06:22 PM
GUEST,Donuel 11 Oct 04 - 11:57 PM
GUEST,Clint Keller 11 Oct 04 - 10:54 PM
GUEST,saulgoldie 11 Oct 04 - 08:24 PM
Jack the Sailor 11 Oct 04 - 06:42 PM
Little Hawk 11 Oct 04 - 05:54 PM
Once Famous 11 Oct 04 - 05:50 PM
Jack the Sailor 11 Oct 04 - 05:34 PM
Once Famous 11 Oct 04 - 03:16 PM
GUEST,Clint Keller 11 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM
Ebbie 11 Oct 04 - 01:11 AM
Once Famous 10 Oct 04 - 03:49 PM
Ebbie 10 Oct 04 - 12:43 AM
GUEST,Clint Keller 10 Oct 04 - 12:22 AM
Little Hawk 09 Oct 04 - 10:46 PM
Once Famous 09 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM
Little Hawk 09 Oct 04 - 09:43 PM
Peace 09 Oct 04 - 07:35 PM
dianavan 09 Oct 04 - 05:20 PM
Jack the Sailor 09 Oct 04 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,Clint Keller 09 Oct 04 - 04:31 PM
Ebbie 09 Oct 04 - 03:36 PM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Oct 04 - 03:28 PM
Once Famous 09 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM
GUEST,Segun From Connecticut 09 Oct 04 - 12:30 PM
Frankham 21 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM
kendall 21 Feb 04 - 07:34 AM
CarolC 20 Feb 04 - 09:48 PM
Don Firth 20 Feb 04 - 09:31 PM
MarkS 20 Feb 04 - 09:20 PM
CarolC 20 Feb 04 - 02:32 PM
Steve in Idaho 20 Feb 04 - 01:13 PM
CarolC 20 Feb 04 - 12:22 PM
tar_heel 20 Feb 04 - 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 11:56 AM

I love the sound of napalm in a dialogue in the morning. Makes me proud to be human.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Lea Jones
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 11:50 AM

hey, boi boi..you suck! can i just say that...PRESIDENT Bush is the coolest freaking president i think there ever was. ever will be. he's from TEXAS baby!!!! hell yah! go BUSH!


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 10:43 PM

The extent of mass ignoral, refusal to see, intentional embrace of crudity, lack of even the most transparent veneer of civilizing constraints, the willful barbarity of the small minded that appears sometimes on this once great site just boggles my mind.

John Kerry, an intelligent and decent human being, being slandered by these pork-breathing malicious nutballs, just seems so criminal as to justify some sort of execution on the altar of human progress.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,loving republican
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:27 PM

ok so we know bush once again humiliated the demorcratic party by whooping them in the polls, i hate to even think of kerry winning at all hes a lier, cheat, he murdered innocent people in vietnam ,he told vicious lies about bush and told lies to america , he flip flops on everything he does , hes so liberal he loves abortion and as a catholic i could never vote for him, hopefully the catholic church will kick him out , the swift boat vetrans were right hes a loser just like on election day so its john kerry the big L
                ha ha ha
                         republicans of the world


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Jackie Legs
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:40 AM

Dear John: F O A D.

JL


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: red_clay
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:52 AM

dear john kerry
you lost and you were a gracious person about it when you conceded!
i sure can't say the same about your vp choice,john edwards!!!
boy,talk about SOUR GRAPES!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Ragnar
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:11 PM

No sense in being a sore loser

Excellent reasoning Poppa G, Something usuallly lacking here.

R


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM

It's just as well that Kerry conceded. The right-wingers turned out more of their voters, and there it is. No sense in being a sore loser.

Gore probably should have hung tougher last time, but his position was different -- he won the popular vote. Kerry -- unfortunately, maybe; surprisingly, maybe -- did not. For Kerry to have modeled his actions today on what Gore maybe should have done four years ago would not have made sense this time around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,crystalbowman
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:59 PM

dear jonn kerry i really feel that you let us down the reason why i say that is becouse you should have fought til the end i feel you gave up on us to easy we didnt give up on you .like you said we were supposed to wait out til the vote was counted as we all know bush is no saint lets put it this way he is not the most truthful person anywhere under any surcumstances i think you should have stood it out and then asked for a recount .


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,wingo
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:37 PM

I went with a guy who was in special forces and he told me of things that happen and he is affected by it to this day.
I wonder why these swift boats didn't testfy at the hearings?
There are a lot of books out on this war and they tell you the same things John Kerry said and a other thing that are a lot worse.
When they came back from war everyone treated them like the war was there fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,wingo
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:24 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,lillie pride
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:20 PM

Mr. Kerry,
I am sorry we didn't win the election but I can understand why people say they don't vote I think they should count all the votes from the absentess and pr before they declare a winner .
I also think they need to change the elector vote system.

I have never felt the pain that I felt when we lost the only time I felt this pain is when John Kennedy was killed I feel that we have had our hopes and the future of the American people put in great danger of our lifes and economy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,lillie pride
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:01 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 06:22 PM

Hey now, let's have no attacking courageous "Martin Gibson" (not his real name), that paragon of intellectual and business achievement, and altruism. Sometimes I think "Martin's" altruism--- (hope you don't have to look it up, "Martin")--is his best quality. But he has so many wonderful attributes, it's hard to choose.

Also, if you do attack him, he may "call someone an extremely clever insult" (sic), and nobody would be able to survive that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:57 PM

You can feel as proud as punch about the sacrifices you have made in the perpetuation of endless warfare. Without perpetual war, our class society would become an amorphous better educated population and abject US poverty would not exist to the extent to have only the military to take up the slackers.
Heck, playing cowboy sure gets folks like you fired up.
If I were you I guess I would see people like cattle too.
If I had made war my career, I might have to see things the way you do to make sense of the slaughter.

You are really not talking about merely culling the herd, You are saying we need war to cement the status quo of the the ruling class.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:54 PM

""Making $100K a year only means you make $100K a year."

My God, that's brilliant! "

No, it's just something that hadn't occured to you. To understand it you have to be capable of thinking about it a bit. If you're intelligent enough you'll see the implications. I'll explain some of it.

It doesn't mean you're worth talking to.
It doesn't mean you're honest.
It doesn't even mean you're intelligent.
It doesn't mean you're a decent person at all.
Judging a person's worth by his/her income indicates a small soul and a mean spirit belonging to the person who is judging.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 08:24 PM

Nevermind the topic of this thread. As I have been reading it, I am stunned at the pure, unbridled vitriol that MG can muster against people who have done him no harm. It just takes my breath away. How can just one person be sooooo angry?


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 06:42 PM

Living in a mansion is a sure sign of intelligence. :) Look at Vanilla ice, Ozzy Osborne, Paris Hilton...


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 05:54 PM

A trailer IS a mansion if you've been living on the street. It's all a question of perspective.

The Chinese are a brilliant people. So are the Japanese. History has a way of moving affluence around from one region to another quite regardless of the native intelligence of a population. There are other factors involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 05:50 PM

Yep, and they make fine gym shoes, there Jack with all of their brains.

Jack, I am sure your numbers are exactly right. There might even be 500 million in China who would consider a trailer a mansion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 05:34 PM

What does making 100K a year have to do with anything? Do you have any idea how many people who are smarter than George W Bush do not make 100k per year? There must be billions. There are at least 500 million in China, and the same number in India. :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:16 PM

well, I hope he takes more classes in night school. Maybe he'll be your landlord one day.



"Making $100K a year only means you make $100K a year."

My God, that's brilliant!


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM

" …it's still nice to be one who makes it"

But it's not nice to put people down who don't make it. Makiing $100K a year only means you make $100K a year.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 01:11 AM

Going to a new country - for whatever reason - and starting over is a difficult thing to do. A fairly high percentage of immigrants do make it, whatever criterion you use for that designation. Just as your ancestors - and mine - did, MG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 03:49 PM

Actually they might, Ebbie.

But it's still nice to be one who makes it rather than one who doesn't. Especially when you've earned it and didn't luck out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 12:43 AM

MG, your standards and mine as to wealth may not jibe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 10 Oct 04 - 12:22 AM

We all know that people who don't make $100K a year are of no importance at all.

And it's true that spelling and capitalization and courtesy are nice.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:46 PM

Yeah, yeah...


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM

I think he should learn how to capitalize and punctuate, Ebbie. Maybe you should teach him as I am sure all of your ex-students are making $100K a year, right?

Do you also think John Kerry read his open letter?

I don't.

Little Hawk. Kerry admitted it wasn't worth responding. He pleaded "no contest."


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 09:43 PM

Mr Kerry: I think you should know that there is someone on the forum who is calling you an "arrogant asshole". How do you intend to respond to this allegation? :-) (Now why does the press not ask this sort of question?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Peace
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 07:35 PM

Do people not post Open Letters to G W Bush because they figure he can't read?


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 05:20 PM

Segun - You are not an idiot and do not be put off by ignorant name-calling. Just remember that ignorance is his problem, not yours.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 05:20 PM

That was a very moving post Norton1. I'm glad that I read it. Any news from your brother?

MarkS,

Mr. Kerry was repeating what he had learned from the "Winter Soldier" investigation when he described those things. I'm afraid, like so many others, you've been a victim of the Bush team's exaggeration and distortion about Kerry. For me the biggest issue of this election is the disgusting level of bull shit to which the President stoops every time he speaks about Kerry.

How can Bush lead us? How can we follow him with any confidence at all when he lies so often and so easily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Open Letter to John Kerry
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 04:31 PM

Mr Bendell's statements have all been countered here, I think. I didn't read all 13 of his "editorials," but what I read was the usual anti-Kerry rant. "Hanoi John" my ass. There are things wrong with Kerry, but his Vietnam experience and comments are not some of them.

Bendell Enterprises seems devoted to publiciziing the Bendells. They do dress pretty, but I believe their Horse Stance could be improved. Toes should point forward, thighs should be parallell to the floor.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:36 PM

Martin Gibson, how many languages do you speak? I used to tutor in ESL and communication is the name of the game. I think Segun from Connecticut is communicating very well.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:28 PM

"while British Prime Minister stood before House Of Common and apologize to British people for taking them to war on the same faulty intelligence,

He didn't actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM

What a moron you are.

Learn to spell the word senator.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTERS TO JOHN KERRY
From: GUEST,Segun From Connecticut
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 12:30 PM

Dear Senetor Kerry,
As an Immigrant who admire this greatest country, for what its stand for, i will seggest you to put across to all Americans in your next debate with president Bush why he refuse to level ann apologize to American people for taken US to war with faulty intelligence, while British Prime minister stood before House Of Common and apologize to British people for taking them to war on the same faulty intelligence, despite all commission reports to disprove the President claims about weapon of mass distruction by Iraq, he shifted his position to justify going to war. Blaming everybody rather than taking the responsibilities for his action. Where did the bus stop? i admire your two last debate, it was wonderful.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Frankham
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM

This is not an open letter to John Kerry. It's a diatribe and
opinionated rant not based on any factual evidence.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 07:34 AM

Young men pumped up by hate, fear and an overdose of testosterone have and will commit atrocities. Remember Mi Lai?


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 09:48 PM

Trolling might be too strong a word. More like WHINING maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 09:31 PM

Actually, tar heel seems to be bitching up a storm today. Started several threads and they're all pretty much in the nature of trolling.

Somebody run over your dog, tar heel? If so, I'm sure sorry. But why take it out on everybody else?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: MarkS
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 09:20 PM

Wonder if there is any truth in what the first poster says about Colliers and Kerrys Cousin. We could have a Democratic version of Halliburton here.

Oh, and regarding this rant:

"They personally raped, cut off
    ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals
    and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at
    civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food
    stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

If Lt Kerry heard of such actions he had a duty to report them. If he saw such actions, he had a duty to stop them.

I suspect the level of hyperbole here is WAY overblown.

Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 02:32 PM

I think your're a very courageous man, Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 01:13 PM

I know better that to post - but what Senator Kerry testified to at that time was the truth. Just like the truth that was posted above. One person's opinion. Senator Kerry was a part of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. As such membership in that organisation meant you needed to have been there.

Like LH said - in WW-II lots of atrocities were committed by both sides. In Korea it was reported that infantrymen sighted in their rifles by shooting at rice farmers out in their fields. I know this for a fact as several of my Company Gunnery Sergeants were in Korea and saw it.

As far as what Senator Kerry testified to in 1971 the National Guard was a place to hide from Vietnam service. As a former VA employee and resident of Idaho I can tell you that the angriest service members I ever met were from Orofino, Idaho - they lost the toss of the dice and ended up in Vietnam. And they joined to stay OUT of Vietnam.

The letter is just one person's opinion. and thumping their chest with their service being "tougher" and "everyone knew it" stuff is just that - their opinion. Maybe the author ought to go talk to those of us who fought up on the DMZ the first time. Or the Army troops who fought in the Au Shau in November of 65. Both of those had it far worse than any snoop and poop outfit that ever served in Vietnam - with the notable exception of a few Navy Seals operations.

From personal experience I can tell you that all of the things Senator Kerry testified to in those days was true. That we want to write it off to Vietnam being this fine little war we went in and helped everyone out just plain sucks the big one. That's history, and history is written by those who came after with an agenda dictated by those in power. I can tell you that the reason the WW-II vets were so angry with us when we came home talking about what we had seen and experienced was simply this - they had those same crimes in their past and did not want the shame to well up and overwhelm them with the sorrow of what it was to go to war as an active participant.

The really sorry aspect of this whole thing is simply this. 40 freaking years later Vietnam Veterans are still a divided entity. We have not come together in Brotherhood. We still seem to find it necessary to compare the hate during the war to today - and it simply is an old dog that does not hunt anymore. Senator Kerry and President Bush served their country and it should not be an issue in deciding this election.

And as far as the Montegnards go - they got killed long before Senator Kerry got involved in the political aspects of the attempts to bring them here. That was a decision made by the remnants of President Nixon's administration under Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. Read your history for crying out loud. I certainly empathise with the man - the Green Berets worked hard at keeping those tribes loyal to the US effort in Vietnam. Often at great personal sacrifice. My hat's off to them for what they did.

I can also tell you that we Marines built for the Vietnamese. Dug ditches, wells, built roads, cared for the kids, and all of the other things troops do for children in a hostile fire zone. But we also killed them. Not on purpose for the most part. But it happened.

I better shut the crap up - my last tirade got me in trouble -

And for the record - I still think Iraq was a justified action - and yes my children are home safe from it. My Brother is currently missing in Afghanistan but I am hopeful he is just too busy to let me know he is OK.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 12:22 PM

What makes you think I'm a liberal, tar_heel? And it looks to me like you're the one who's doing the bitching. But I don't think you're in a position to tell us which Vietnam Veterans we should believe, and which we shouldn't, seeing as how you weren't even there yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: tar_heel
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 12:19 PM

oh yea,CAROL C.,if it wasn't for CONSERVATIVES like me here in MUDCAT,you bleeding heart liberals would have nothing to bitch about!


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: tar_heel
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 12:15 PM

well CAROL C,i was born at the wrong time i guess,but i did spend 8 years in the USN-R...i joined while in my jr.,year in high school,1954...
so my time served was between the korean war and before the vietnam war...
and then,president EISENHOWER,proclaimed all active reservist during peace time could full fill their obligation by staying in the reserves as long as no national emergency existed...
so,i guess it's my dad's or mom's fault i was born in 1936...
anyway,what do you know about the military?


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: beadie
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 12:08 PM

Rapaire:

   No offense was meant to the forces (regular or reserve) that were sent to fight and die in VietNam. I was trying to point out that it was an impression (a correct one, more often than not, over the course of the war) that Guard service was an insulator from active duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: OPEN LETTER TO JOHN KERRY
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:34 AM

Oh, those coupla bad-apples. One, ok two, maybe, possibly, three. Couldn't have been any more. Of course, after we napalmed the orchard.....

yours,

Peter T.


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