Nonexistent:God, An Anthropomorphic Personal Deity

Subject: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Cruiser
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 06:21 PM

I THINK the most dangerous belief system prevalent today, as in millennia past, is a belief in any anthropomorphic personal God and its related Faith. I am astounded that about 90% of the general public answering recent polls believe in God and many believe in afterlife. Fortunately, MOST scientists do not. It is paradoxical how those scientists that are religious reconcile their Faith with their science. There are, and have been many, such renowned scientists. I discussed this in the 'Can An Atheist Sing Believer Songs?' thread. An explanation for a religious scientist could be that our brains may be hardwired for belief systems to enhance survival. Some of my favorite college professors were (are) religious scientists.

I have written on this general subject elsewhere on Mudcat. As an atheist, I have mostly accepted that any person has a right to any belief. However, after having voted for Mr. Bush and seeing the destruction his Christian belief has caused, I am not willing to be as accepting of a belief in a personal God that people listen to and gain direction from. That "direction" is often destructive to humankind.

With respect to all the fine religious people here (and including many of my relatives), I can not understand how a thinking, rational person can believe that an anthropomorphic God speaks to them. That is counterintuitive to all commonsense, horse sense, knowledge, and scientific inquiry.

When peoples base their actions on mythology, fairytales, and nonsense, human suffering and environmental destructions occur, as exemplified in Iraq and other problem areas worldwide.

Imagine the form an anthropomorphic ("he" created us in his image) God that "hears" all prayers in all languages, in all areas; One massive entity "he" must be. God and the angels were once in heaven somewhere up in the clouds. Hubble is looking back 14 billion years and where is any evidence of an anthropomorphic or any other form or kind of God?

Where the Hell is Heaven and God? Did God create our Solar System and its Milky Way galaxy with its trillion or so stars AND the 100 billion galaxies, some with thousands of billions of stars, in the observable universe? If God is in the unobservable universe, how can he have a hand in our lives over vast distances of enormous light years away? Voices can not travel that far that fast in any conversation with a personal God, even in the observable universe. How can an anthropomorphic God that created all this wonder of billions of galaxies now be relegated to listening to mundane prayers involving our daily life struggles?

Women should understand and be especially appalled by the tyranny that has resulted from a belief in a "he" God through the ages. Why is God masculine? I think it is because men were (are) the leaders in the Churches of the world and perpetuated the "he" myth of God. This gave men the power and license to oppress women and keep them subservient as they were until the early 20th Century, at least in the U.S. Women in many parts of the world, Muslims especially, are still subject to this religious oppression.

All humanity will continue to suffer as long as people perpetuate the irrational beliefs in the many Gods of the many religions of the many Faiths. Rational, logical, critical thinking is the only way to avoid and resolve worldwide problems. "Listening" to an imaginary God and acting out on those "voices" in one's mind is often the most dangerous of all of mankind's endeavors. The many good deeds that have been performed by fine, well-meaning religious peoples worldwide have been far out shadowed by the atrocities perpetuated by the belief in any God and any associated religions and Faiths.

Cruiser (a former baptized Southern Baptist Christian)

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: DougR
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 06:25 PM

"As an Athiest, I have mostly accepted that any person has a right to any belief."

I, for one, think that is mighty generous of you Cruiser.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 06:35 PM

I think you are well shut of a belief system that did you little good, Cruiser, but you might be well advised to be lesas challenging. Because there is no way to decode the semantics that others are using when they say they have 'found' something and are calling it God. And it may in fact be something extraordinary, deep, seemingly inifnite in scope and in compassion, and to rant about their using one or another label in trrying to communicate about it is only upsetting andnon-productive. You may arrive t a point some day where you find yourself swept up in an experience so overwhelming that you wished desperately you had some words to describe it with, also.

Mind you, I have little disagreement with your rant, generally--I just think it is ill-advised! :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Cruiser
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 06:47 PM

rant:

"To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave"

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 06:57 PM

Anthropomorphism is a really long word. So is floccinoccinihilipilification, and it is with that that I treat this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Cruiser
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:05 PM

Thanks brucie. I learned a new word, although I probably won't use it.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:09 PM

You're welcome. There's an alternate spelling: floccinaucinihilipilification.

I never use it, and may The Universal Spirit That Unifies All Things bless you for providing me with an opportunity that comes but once a decade.

Funny, it was the reverse for me. I used to feel exactly like that about a supreme being, and now I have changed my mind. Not a case of right or wrong; just a case of is.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Allan C.
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:28 PM

Y'all go ahead and sort this out among yourselves and be sure to let me know when you have THE ANSWER.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Cruiser
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:38 PM

THE ANSWER will likely be illusive for millennia, if there ever is an answer understandable in human terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:39 PM

Belief observes a different reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 07:42 PM

The answer, as always, is Yes.

Where we're stuck is in identifying the correct question.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 08:27 PM

I read about an interesting study recently. It seems that in countries where the social services are good and the economy fairly stable, church attendence is low. The better the conditions, the lower the attendence. Angst.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 09:34 PM

" I can not understand how a thinking, rational person can believe that an anthropomorphic God speaks to them."

       well, I can.

I may not agree with them, but if you don't see why it is easy to believe, you haven't paid much attention to History or Sociology or Psychology.....most of the people who profess belief are honest and reasonable people as far as they understand reason. It is a lot of work and emotionally stressful for most people to deal with not believing, and when the stories of religion are so well-constructed and full of compelling imagery, why wouldn't a person, especially one who is raised in a tradition, feel comforted by it?

I think a FAR more important question is whether religion is useful and important. I tend to feel it is....
[84 pages of single-spaced rambling mercifully omitted here...)

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 09:45 PM

If Carol and I can agree to disagree, to live and let live, then so can we.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Joe_F
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 09:46 PM

I am an atheist too. I believe that No-one is reponsible for this mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 10:01 PM

Cruiser, I think you would agree that the problem is people
trying to apply their beliefs in everyday life. I have a
great deal of respect for "believers", as long as they don't
try to force it on others under pain of death.

However, your scientific objections are not applicable.
How can God overcome the (excruciatingly slow) speed of light?
How can God hear our prayers, or direct our lives?
They have only to say "God is omnipotent" -- or "Allah hu akbar",
and the questions are answered to their satisfaction. God, by
DEFINITION, can do anything, including over-ride the laws of
nature and science.

Fear of God has done a lot to keep people in line -- that's the
part I respect. Evidently it's not enough to say No Stealing.
It has to be "God says, Thou shalt not steal, or else!"

However, millions have been slaughtered In the Name of God.
What we atheists need to do is just get them to STOP THE KILLING.

Back to science for a moment. I believe the "Big Bang Theory" is
a pathetic attempt of scientists to redeem themselves with the
religious mainstream. It just happens to correspond (loosely)
with Genesis. It's valid AS a theory, but there is just as much
empirical evidence against it as for it.

My own cosmological belief is that the universe is infinite in
space and time. One inescapable conclusion this leads to is
that everything that can possibly happen, has already happened
an infinite number of times.

I'm just hoping that this time, we can survive.

Love, Johnny in OKC

Subject: Lyr Add: GOD IS IN THE HOUSE (Nick Cave)
From: Damon
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 10:28 PM

Homos roaming the streets in packs
Queer bashers with tyre - jacks
Lesbian counter - attacks
That stuff is for the big cities
Our town is very pretty
We have a pretty little square
We have a woman for a mayor
Our policy is firm but fair
Now that God is in the house
God is in the house
God is in the house
Any day now He'll come out
God is in the house

Well - meaning little therapists
Goose - stepping twelve - stepping Tetotalitarianists
The tipsy, the reeling and the drop down pissed
We got no time for that stuff here
Zero crime and no fear
We've bred all our kittens white
So you can see them in the night
And at night we're on our knees
As quiet as a mouse
Since the word got out
From the North down to the South
For no - one's left in doubt
There's no fear about
If we all hold hands and very quietly shout
Hallelujah
God is in the house
God is in the house
Oh I wish He would come out
God is in the house

A Nick Cave perspective on the matter

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 01:25 AM

A couple of weeks ago (March 8), Anna Quindlen had an article called "At the Left Hand of God" on the back page of Newsweek. Maybe Jeff or some nice clone will add a link - I can't with WEBTV. Here ya go, Joe!

Anyhow, Quindlen objected to the defining of religion as if it were all right-wing fundamentalism. Our religious beliefs led many of us to work for peace and social justice, and to care for the poor. Most religious people are appalled by those who use religion as a reason for intolerance and hatred. Many of us think that the aim of religion is love and peace and goodness, and we cannot understand how hateful people can call themselves religious.

My (Catholic) religious faith isn't something that can be defined in a few words. It's not obeying some authority or demagogue - it's part of my essence as a person. I don't want to convert anyone - I just want to be tolerated, and I hope people will listen to my perspective. I hope that people who know me can see that for me, my faith is a big part of what is good in me - even though that faith may not be appropriate for them. Read Quindlen's article, and don't lump us all with Mel Gibson and Jerry Falwell and George Bush and the terrorists. If you want to lump me with somebody, lump me with Desmond Tutu and Martin Luther King, and Joseph Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago, and Pope John XXIII.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 04:34 AM

To put it simply, Cruiser is exactly right in everything he says. The only reason I don't say this kind of thing myself is that it's too much like taking candy from babies. Religious people, no matter how nice, are fruitcakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 05:13 AM

I believe that we humans are greatly mistaken in thinking that we are the superior life form of the Universe.
I believe that we are a cog in the wheel .
I believe in God but not in religion.
The theory of the big bang totally defies scientific logic. If we allow them that only matter and energy were to exist, what pray tell, was it that banged to give birth to so much matter and energy as exists in the universe. The yo-yo theory maybe, but they say that at the rate of expansion it (the Universe)will not collapse.
The bottom line is that we are not intelligent enough to comprehend these things .
I do not believe that God tells us to kill each other, or that an afterlife is based on a belief in Him.
I personally have experienced things for which no scientific explanation exists and I believe that most other people have as well, but it is hard to look beyond the religious dogma that we have been taught.
       Obie

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 05:19 AM

You may arrive t a point some day where you find yourself swept up in an experience so overwhelming that you wished desperately you had some words to describe it with, also.
Yeah, Amos, I did. An anti-road-to-damascus-conversion. It was exactly like waking up and realising that the whole experience of life does not need to be explained away by the existence of a higher being. As an atheist, I do not try to sway others to what I think about religion - each to their own, after all - but to suggest that people are atheists because they have not yet had some mystical experience that points them to "spirituality" is just as damning as suggesting that religion equates with fundamentalism.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 05:55 AM

I'm a bit confused as to why you thought you needed to have a separate thread for this, Cruiser. The "Faith" thread, which is quite long and covers just about every side imaginable on a subject that is, in the end, down to the individual, makes this seem a bit redundant.

Once people start declaring their beliefs, and then go on to explain exactly why they feel the way they do, and why they can't understand why everyone else doesn't see it with the same obvious clarity, is the gist of the problem, really. People choose to believe because whatever they believe suits their needs. Trying to argue against someone's chosen beliefs, in my experience, rarily if ever CHANGES their beliefs.

But, hey! If writing this, and responding to it makes you feel better, go for it..just know that it's pretty improbable that anyone is going to go away nodding their head, and saying, "Oh, NOW I understand it, and this changes EVERYTHING for me." Just doesn't seem to work that way..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 06:33 AM

hi Cruiser

are you bouncing from baptist to rebutter - playing philosophical ping pong, going from one form of rigid dogma to another?

enjoy the game!

fred

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: John Hardly
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 06:45 AM

where are those venn diagrams when you need one?

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: GUEST,Soma
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 08:20 AM

Death to the SKY FATHER, and all his works,
Death to Odin and Zeus
Death to Tewas and Jupiter
Death to Yahweh and Allah
Drag them down from on high
Bury them deep in the good Earth
Dance for joy my brothers and sisters
Dance in freedom and unity
Men and Women together
Death to the sky father

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 08:51 AM

(Prety; but in case there is any confusion about the poster, no connection or relation to me.)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Strick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 09:20 AM

"However, millions have been slaughtered In the Name of God.
What we atheists need to do is just get them to STOP THE KILLING."

I know what you mean, except I need to point out a little observed fact. More people have died making the world "safe for democracy" than any other reason. What do I mean? Well, until the end of the 19th century, we just weren't using scientific enough methods for killing each other. The death tolls WWI and WWII far surpass the killing, at least the military and political impact, of all the wars up to their time. One battle in WWI, a single battle, resulted in more deaths than all the deaths in the American Civil War and the American Revolution combined. That ignores the 25 million people is Stalin alleged to have killed in the "atheist" Soviet Union and the uncounted deaths in Communist China and other countries where God has nothing to do with the gencide.

Don't forget, too, that racism, lust for power and greed usually have hide behind something to justify war. Religion is a convenient excuse for a lot of killing that would have happened even if it didn't exist. It's possible, just possible, you're over estimating the cost of religion in blood over the course of history.

Of course, there's that other little thing. Science and reason are not without their faults. Science was god in the 50s and 60s; where did it get us? Pesticides and the silent spring. Radiation is good for you, learn to "duck and cover", you'll be safe. Thalidomide is safe for expectant mothers, give antibiotics to people and live stock and we'll wipe out disease (and not breed killer bacteria). Pollution, global warming, genetically modified foods, ICBMs and total thermonuclear war, all science run amuck. We're killing ourselves with our own technology or at least trying to.

I'm not in the least trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe or challenge your right to believe what you want. I just think that evil in people's hearts, greed, selfishness, hate, that's the real problem. You can't blame everything on religion. Do away with it and, I promise, you'll only have to shift the blame to something else.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:20 AM

This article might get right up your nose...go get em, Cruiser!..xx..e

http://tinyurl.com/2qc5h

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:27 AM

Strick: Brilliant post.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:29 AM

For what it is worth, Cruiser's argument is valid only for the small and tightly controlled framework in which it is born. But the peculiar nature of the infinite is that it is not perceptible to meat. This is an observation that make sno sense, scientifically, just in case anyone wants to waste their breath rebutting it. But it is an observation, nevertheless. :>)   Fortunately, religious experience -- whether Christian or any other kind -- is not held to physical scientific procedures (as indeed, how could it be?). I believe that Strick errs in asserting that is therefore not valid experience, when it is. Maybe experience that does not derive from the same theater of action as dropping cueballs from the Tower of Pisa, for example. But operating in other theaters requires a certain centered courage.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:30 AM

Frankly, I don't really care who believes what, as long as they understand that their right to swing their arm stops at the end of my nose. Otherwise, what rational person whold really care what someone else thinks or believes? Really.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:40 AM

"I stood unwound beneath the skies
And clouds unbound by laws.
The cryin' rain like a trumpet sang
And asked for no applause." (Dylan)

I haven't got time to respond to this in detail today, Cruiser. Got business to do. However, a couple of brief comments...

I am as appalled as you by the harm done by narrow-minded organized religion through the ages. It has been and remains horrific.

I am as opposed as you to investing "God" with exclusively anthropomorphic and male attributes...to the detriment of women, of animals, and of Nature.

Yet I believe in something that I call "God". What that something is requires a lifetime of contemplation to even begin to understand, and is not generally touched upon very wisely by most organized religions...although they do try in their own peculiar way to grasp it.

So we are in the curious position of being opposed to the same destructive influences in society, yet giving a different interpretation to the basis of reality as it stands around us.

You see, for me believing in God has little or NOTHING to do with belonging to or subscribing to ANY organized religion. God is a larger matter than is dealt with by religions. Nor do I see God as some sort of big super-person out there somewhere. Science is an excellent framework for approaching the God I believe in.

Intriguing, ain't it, that we agree on so much, yet disagree over certain words and their supposed implications? I'll get back to you later on this.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Strick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:49 AM

"I believe that Strick errs in asserting that is therefore not valid experience, when it is."

Beg pardon? I think all I said is that people who love reason and blame religion may have forgotten that reason has much to answer for, too.

Ellenpoly, I'm note even remotly affiliated with or qualified to join them, but go Knights of Columbus. For that matter, go Crusier. Everyone should have their say and then society as a whole should decide as democracies usually do.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Cruiser
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 10:56 AM

Ellenpoly: I have read the Faith thread and I posted to it. I talked about Faith vs. faith on 25 Dec. before the other Faith thread was started. As you know, faith may not necessarily deal with any God. The tread here is specifically about a personal God and Faith and/or religion associated with that God, not Faith or faith in general.

freda: no bouncing around here. I was a believer and church member since age 5, I was baptized at 13 years-old, and I became a non-believer in my mid-twenties. I still try to search for evidence of a God. If there was evidence for the God hypothesis, I (and I am sure other atheists) would accept that evidence if it was replicative. Then there would be no need for the term atheist, except in a historical sense. I would then accept the God hypothesis. If additional repeatable evidence was forthcoming, the hypothesis could become a working theory of God.

That is the beauty of scientific inquiry and the scientific method in particular, it is self-correcting. Our knowledge (hypotheses and theories) must be updated if new evidence points to an alternative hypothesis or when exceptions are found to current working theories. These old theories, although not wrong, are replaced with new, more inclusive theories based on the new evidence.

I will write more on this later, work calls.


Cruiser

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 11:07 AM

Cruiser:

Banish the icons, and the anthropomorphic sexist power structures; banish the enforced mythology, that bender of children's minds. Banish the vocabulary that carries so much false freight. But for God's sake keep your heart wide open, and you will always be the better for it IMHO.

Regards,


A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Strick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 11:09 AM

"That is the beauty of scientific inquiry and the scientific method in particular, it is self-correcting."

But it's danger is that that history shows it engenders false confidence and pride. You think because you've used reason, you're wise and have thought of all the answers. That self-correction could come to late.

Then, too, there's so much that science and reason's best practitioners have begun to admit it will never explain and things we know are true it cannot proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 11:25 AM

Joe Offers link to the Quindlen article

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:02 PM

Aren't we lucky that Amos shares his un-evidenced, un-rebuttable ideas with us.
PP

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:08 PM

Jeeze, PP -- no-one says you have to read my posts. There are a lot of opinions flying around these parts, you'll observe. Many have little evidence.   Why target mine, in particular? They are as rebuttable as any other, I suppose. If I make you uncomfortable, take a reasonably long walk off a short pier and it will clear right up.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:21 PM

Amos, muh man, I don't always agree with you, and sometimes I really disagree with you, but unfailingly, you are a gentleman. I wish I had that ability.

Having said that, let me get this off my chest: You have your head up your ass about WILLIAM SHATNER. There, I feel so much better now. Warmest regards,


Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:24 PM

Bruce:

The consideration is completely reciprocal.

Thanks for your consideration, man.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:28 PM

I love it when you use BIG WORDS! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:34 PM

"This is an observation that make sno sense, scientifically, just in case anyone wants to waste their breath rebutting it"

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 12:55 PM

Last digression from the issue at hand. One will always know where Amos is coming from. He will share an opinion on most any subject. It will not always be "right" what ever the hell that means, but it will always be well thought out, and most generally offered in a decent manner. For anyone posting on this forum to suggest that he is more opinionated than the rest of us is laughable.

I love this place!!

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 01:19 PM

P_P:

Oh, I gotcha. Well, the funny thing is, it was actually a parascientific observation, but nevertheless, an observation, FWIW. There's no assurance anyone else owuld make the same observation under similar conditions, though.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 01:27 PM

not only will Amos tell you what he's thinking, but his promulgation of his extemporaneous decantations will exemplify articulate expression of loquacious cognative verisimilitude, with minor digressions into thrasonical bombast or rodomontade vacuity. And if he confuses you, he will gladly explain.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 01:44 PM

Now THAT was impressive!!! I stand on bent knee in complete awe!

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 01:56 PM

Bill D:

I don't like the vacuity any more than you do, pal. But some days it's all there is on the shelf, if you know wot I mean!! LOL!! At least I don't offer you a rotomontade of sulfuric methane in ASCII, like certain acquaintances around here!

And I refuse to engage in autocaprophagia, as well.

There are limits, after all.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 02:52 PM

Good for you, Amos. I wouldn't engage in that either. Nor would William Shatner.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent: God, An Anthropomorphic Per
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM

Any deleterious obfuscation of fact is detrimental to the well-being of--what?

I gotta change my meds.