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Subject: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: michaelr Date: 27 Mar 04 - 04:30 PM Click for the 'PermaThread™: List of all joke threads'The despicable smirking bastard has outdone himself again, making stupid jokes at a press dinner in front of a slide show that shows him looking under furniture in the White House, saying things like "those WMDs have to be somewhere... no, no weapons here..." Meanwhile the death toll of American soldiers in Iraq approaches six hundred and is accelerating. I'm so outraged I can hardly see straight at the callous disregard the Resident and his henchmen display at every turn. Story is here. Care to excuse this one, Doug R? Disgusted, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 04 - 04:32 PM "Whats the difference" GWB |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Mar 04 - 04:38 PM Well, I think it's quite responsible of him to check behind the White House furniture for those pesky WMD's... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 27 Mar 04 - 04:48 PM God Bless America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Don Firth Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:03 PM The man is a total twit! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Amos Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:55 PM Did anyone think he was more sensitive than that? Surely you jest?? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Raedwulf Date: 27 Mar 04 - 06:38 PM Ummmm... I ain't no fan of GWB, but I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. It is clearly stated that this is an event where the Prez usually sends himself up. Any topic that he chooses is likely to wind somebody up. I don't see that he was being directly or deliberately disrespectful to anyone, Iraqi, Other, or US (& yes, I placed the Yanks last in that list - notice how the published outrage is only outraged about a perceived insult to dead US servicemen...). He is probably guilty of a bit of bad taste, but what this is really indicative of is the way that the modern media will happily blow something out of all proportion to the intention in the interests of making a story that will sell more copy. Especially when an election is looming... Yours, A Cynical Bastard (yes, about WMD too, before you ask) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Cobble Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:08 PM The modern media dont need to blow some things up these arrogant ass-holes can do it all by themselves. Cobble (sub editor pa uk) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:08 PM Sending himself up? "Bit" of bad taste? Oops! 13 more dead according to this morning's paper because of ol' humorous George's amusing mistake. The joke sure is on him. But he's a good sport about it. If I had sent one man to death because of false information I gave I'd be filled with guilt and shame. I cannot imagine joking about it in front of their kin. And it's more than one; it's 500+ Americans & allies and thousands of uncounted Iraquis. This isn't bad taste, this is callousness to a pathological degree. clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Cobble Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:10 PM Well said Clint. Cobble |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Cobble Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:13 PM My last comment the inmates are running the asylum. Cobble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:16 PM "Any topic that he chooses is likely to wind somebody up." not true. if he's supposed to be funny and "send himself up" he's got plenty of personal foibles that could draw a lot of yuks. a little "misarticulation", a few of those goofy smirk poses, some jokes about how much a rich guy like himself knows about an average person's life, national guard service, etc. heck, i could've written his stupid routine myself! but when he starts making jokes about the lies (his lies) that have cost hundreds of american and thousands of iraqui lives then he's long past bounds of good taste. the guy is clueless, tasteless, and heartless. and i really don't understand how people hear stuff like this and don't think of the families of the dead. including the media morons who were guffawing at the dinner. no wonder this country is in the state it's in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: SINSULL Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:36 PM My nephew posted this to his website. "Neither Here Nor There" is his weekly column. Please excuse a proud aunt. Neither Here Nor There 3/26/04 The Joke's On Us I apologize for any grammatical errors in this piece. I'm limiting myself to thirty minutes to write the whole thing, editing and all. I'm mad. I want that to come across. Did you catch George W. Bush's performance this week at the Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner? Traditionally, this dinner has been a place for the President to poke fun at himself, his staff and his presidency. Past Presidents have cracked jokes about partisan politics, their legislative rivals and personal indiscretions. It's always been a good-natured, and usually benignly funny, affair. But this week George W. Bush poked fun at the fact that no one has found any evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. With a slide show montage of himself looking behind pieces of furniture in the Oval Office, George W. Bush provided the narration, "Those weapons have got to be here somewhere. Nope, no weapons under there. Maybe over here." The audience laughed. But not many people are laughing now. The most polarizing president our country has ever seen did it again. You see, what George Bush did was not only poke fun at himself, he poked fun at the fact that his railroading of the Constitutional process, his obliteration of the usefulness of the United Nations, his unilateral "with us or against us" cowboy bullshit has sent almost 600 United States servicemen and women to their deaths in a country we invaded for the specific reason of the threat from weapons of mass destruction. Don't be fooled by the Colin Powell/Donald Rumsfeld news conferences we've been getting hammered over the head with, those "Saddam was a bad man, we're better off" speeches. I agree that we're better off. But we weren't told that war was our only option because Saddam was a bad guy. Again and again, our President told us that we had to go to war to deal with the imminent threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. There is a very big difference between these two lines of thinking. And for the President to now find humor in the fact that his number one cause for war turned out to be built on lies and faulty/doctored intelligence is insulting and demeaning to the American people. Imagine if, just a few months after September 11th, when we were still counting the lost and learning the names of the dead, Bush had cracked the same jokes, only this time saying, "Hmm, no al Qaeda under there. No Osama bin Laden behind this cabinet." Imagine the outrage. You done imagining? Good. Now tell me what the difference is between my little made up quote and what he actually said the other night. I can't find it, and I fail to see the humor. And for a President who has, at best, a questionable record when it comes to fulfilling his own military obligations, to joke about an ongoing campaign that has left hundreds of soldiers dead and hundreds more broken and shattered, is beyond offensive. I'll stay away from the bleeding heart liberal argument, that of soldiers' families losing sons, daughters, wives, husbands, mothers and fathers. There is an element of truth to that. But in reality, the men and women of our armed services signed up for their jobs willingly. They knew that there was a strong possibility that they would be put in harm's way. That being said, there are right and wrong reasons for having to step into a battle zone. We're in Iraq for the wrong reasons. People are dying. Our President is laughing. And there's nothing funny about that. Please read on. The following people have died as part of the war in Iraq. They were not in on the joke. Jesse A. Givens Sean C. Reynolds Jason L. Diebler Marlin T. Rockhold Brian K. Van Dusen Hans N. Gukeisen Richard P. Carl Cedric E. Bruns Matthew R. Smith Jakub Henryk Kowalik Jose Franci Gonzalez Rodriguez Nicholas Brian Kleiboeker Patrick Lee Griffin Jr. David T. Nutt William L. Payne Rashid Sahib Douglas Jose Marenco-Reyes Dominic R. Baragona Andrew David La Mont Timothy Louis Ryan Jason William Moore Aaron Dean White Kirk Allen Straseskie William T. Latham Nathaniel A. Caldwell David Evans Jr. Mathew E. Schram Brett J. Petriken Kenneth A. Nalley Jeremiah D. Smith Jonathan W. Lambert Keman L. Mitchell Thomas F. Broomhead Michael B. Quinn Jose Amancio Perez III Kenneth R. Bradley Zachariah W. Long Kyle A. Griffin Michael T. Gleason Atanasio Haro Marin Jr. Branden F. Oberleitner Travis L. Burkhardt David Sisung Doyle W. Bollinger Jr. Jesse M. Halling Michael E. Dooley Gavin L. Neighbor John K. Klinesmith Jr. Andrew R. Pokorny Ryan R. Cox Shawn Pahnke Joseph D. Suell Michael L. Tosto Robert L. Frantz Michael R. Deuel Paul T. Nakamura Orenthial J. Smith Cedric L. Lennon Andrew Chris Gregory E. MacDonald Richard P. Orengo Cory A. Hubbell Timothy M. Conneway Joshua McIntosh Tomas Sotelo Jr. Gladimir Philippe Kevin Ott Christopher D. Coffin Travis J. Bradach-Nall Corey L. Small Edward J. Herrgott David B. Parson Jeffrey M. Wershow Chad L. Keith Barry Sanford Sr. Craig A. Boling Robert L. McKinley Dan H. Gabrielson Melissa Valles Roger D. Rowe Jason Andrew Tetrault Christian C. Schulz Joshua M. Neusche Paul J. Cassidy Jaror C. Puello-Coronado Michael T. Crockett Cory Ryan Geurin Ramon Reyes Torres David J. Moreno Mason Douglas Whetstone Joel L. Bertoldie Jonathan D. Rozier Jason D. Jordan Justin W. Garvey Christopher R. Willoughby David A. Scott Mark A. Bibby Jon P. Fettig Brett T. Christian Joshua T. Byers Raheen Tyson Heighter Evan Asa Ashcraft Hector R. Perez Juan M. Serrano Jonathan P. Barnes Wilfredo Perez Jr. Daniel K. Methvin John Marshall Cheatham Heath A. McMillin William J. Maher III Nathaniel Hart Jr. Leif E. Nott Michael J. Deutsch James I. Lambert III Justin W. Hebert David L. Loyd Farao K. Letufuga Ronald D. Allen Jr. Zeferino E. Colunga Brian R. Hellerman Kyle C. Gilbert Leonard D. Simmons Duane E. Longstreth Matthew D. Bush David M. Kirchhoff Brandon Ramsey Floyd G. Knighten Jr. Levi B. Kinchen David S. Perry Craig S. Ivory Richard S. Eaton Jr. Daniel R. Parker Timothy R. Brown Jr. Taft V. Williams Steven W. White Eric R. Hull Kenneth W. Harris Jr. Bobby C. Franklin Kylan A. Jones-Huffman Michael Scott Adams Stephen M. Scott Vorn J. Mack Pablo Manzano Darryl T. Dent Rafael L. Navea Gregory A. Belanger Anthony L. Sherman Mark A. Lawton Sean K. Cataudella Jarrett B. Thompson Joseph Camara Charles T. Caldwell Cameron B. Sarno Christopher A. Sisson Bruce E. Brown Ryan G. Carlock Joseph E. Robsky Jr. Henry Ybarra III Kevin N. Morehead William M. Bennett Trevor A. Blumberg Kevin C. Kimmerly Alyssa R. Peterson Anthony O. Thompson Richard Arriaga James C. Wright Brian R. Faunce Frederick L. Miller Jr. Lunsford B. Brown II David T. Friedrich Paul J. Sturino Michael Andrade Robert E. Rooney Kyle G. Thomas Robert L. Lucero Christopher E. Cutchall Darrin K. Potter Andrew Joseph Baddick Dustin K. McGaugh James D. Blankenbecler Analaura Esparza Gutierrez Simeon Hunte Tamarra J. Ramos Charles M. Sims James H. Pirtle Spencer T. Karol Richard Torres Kerry D. Scott Joseph C. Norquist Christopher W. Swisher Sean A. Silva James E. Powell Stephen E. Wyatt Donald L. Wheeler Douglas J. Weismantle Jose Casanova Benjamin L. Freeman Kim S. Orlando Joseph P. Bellavia Sean R. Grilley Michael L. Williams David R. Bernstein John D. Hart Paul J. Johnson Paul J. Bueche Jason M. Ward John P. Johnson John R. Teal Michael S. Hancock Artimus D. Brassfield Jose L. Mora Steven Acosta Charles H. Buehring Joseph R. Guerrera Jamie L. Huggins Rachel K. Bosveld Aubrey D. Bell Jonathan I. Falaniko Michael Paul Barrera Isaac Campoy Algernon Adams Todd J. Bryant Linda C. Jimenez Joshua C. Hurley Maurice J. Johnson Benjamin J. Colgan Paul F. Fisher Keelan L. Moss Ross A. Pennanen Ernest G. Bucklew Joel Perez Frances M. Vega Darius T. Jennings Steven D. Conover Brian H. Penisten Paul A. Velazquez Joe N. Wilson Daniel A. Bader Anthony D. Dagostino Karina S. Lau Brian D. Slavenas Bruce A. Smith Rayshawn S. Johnson Francisco Martinez Robert T. Benson Jose A. Rivera James R. Wolf James A. Chance III Sharon T. Swartworth Kyran E. Kennedy Paul M. Neff II Scott C. Rose Benedict J. Smith Cornell W. Gilmore I Morgan D. Kennon Mark D. Vasquez Gary L. Collins Kurt R. Frosheiser Ryan C. Young Nicholas A. Tomko Marlon P. Jackson Genaro Acosta Robert A. Wise Nathan J. Bailey Joseph Minucci II Jacob S. Fletcher Irving Medina Scott M. Tyrrell Jeremiah J. DiGiovanni Ryan T. Baker William D. Dusenbery Eugene A. Uhl III John R. Sullivan Damian L. Heidelberg Richard W. Hafer Joey D. Whitener Sheldon R. Hawk Eagle Michael D. Acklin II Warren S. Hansen Kelly Bolor John W. Russell Erik C. Kesterson Scott A. Saboe Pierre E. Piche Jeremy L. Wolfe Timothy L. Hayslett James A. Shull Alexander S. Coulter Nathan S. Dalley Dale A. Panchot George A. Wood Joseph L. Lister Gary B. Coleman Damian S. Bushart Robert D. Roberts Jerry L. Wilson Rel A. Ravago IV Eddie E. Menyweather Darrell L. Smith Christopher G. Nason David J. Goldberg Thomas Sweet II Ariel Rico Aaron J. Sissel Stephen A. Bertolino Uday Singh Raphael S. Davis Clarence E. Boone Arron R. Clark Ray J. Hutchinson Jason G. Wright Steven H. Bridges Joseph M. Blickenstaff Christopher J. Rivera Wesley Aaron T. Reese Todd M. Bates Richard A. Burdick Jerrick M. Petty Marshall L. Edgerton Jeffrey F. Braun Jarrod W. Black Rian C. Ferguson Kimberly A. Voelz Kenneth C. Souslin Nathan W. Nakis Christopher J. Holland Glenn R. Allison Charles E. Bush Jr. Edward M. Saltz Stuart W. Moore Eric F. Cooke Christopher J. Splinter Christopher F. Soelzer Benjamin W. Biskie Michael E. Yashinski Thomas W. Christensen Stephen C. Hattamer Charles G. Haight Michael G. Mihalakis Michael J. Sutter Rey D. Cuervo Curt E. Jordan Jr. Ernesto M. Blanco Justin W. Pollard Dennis A. Corral Solomon C. Bangayan Marc S. Seiden Kimberly N. Hampton Eric T. Paliwoda Luke P. Frist Jesse D. Mizener Michael A. Diraimondo Nathaniel H. Johnson Christopher A. Golby Philip A. Johnson Jr. Ian D. Manuel Aaron A. Weaver Craig Davis Jeffrey C. Walker Gregory B. Hicks Ricky L. Crockett Keicia M. Hines Kelly L. Hornbeck Roland L. Castro Larry E. Polley Jr. Cody J. Orr Edmond L. Randle Gabriel T. Palacios James D. Parker Luis A. Moreno Michael T. Blaise Brian D. Hazelgrove Ervin Dervishi Jason K. Chappell William R. Sturges Jr. Randy S. Rosenberg Keith L. Smette Kenneth W. Hendrickson Christopher Bunda Adam G. Mooney Patrick D. Dorff Matthew J. August James T. Hoffman Sean G. Landrus Travis A. Moothart Luke S. James Lester O. Kinney II Cory R. Mracek Eliu A. Miersandoval Juan C. Cabral Banuelos Holly J. McGeogh Roger C. Turner Jr. Armando Soriano Seth J. Dvorin Joshua L. Knowles Jude C. Mariano Richard P. Ramey Thomas D. Robbins Elijah Tai Wah Wong Patrick S. Tainsh William C. Ramirez Eric U. Ramirez Bryan N. Spry Nichole M. Frye Michael M. Merila Christopher Taylor Jeffrey C. Graham Roger G. Ling Henry A. Bacon Stephen M. Wells Matthew C. Laskowski Michael R. Woodliff Michael J. Gray Gussie M. Jones Matthew G. Milczark Edward W. Brabazon Richard S. Gottfried Bert E. Hoyer Christopher K. Hill Joe L. Dunigan Jr. Ernest Harold Sutphin John F. Kurth Jason C. Ford Jocelyn L. Carrasquillo Clint D. Ferrin Daniel J. Londono Joel K. Brattain William J. Normandy Michael R. Adams Thomas R. Thigpen Sr. Tracy L. Laramore Ivory L. Phipps Andrew D. Brownfield Brandon Smith Ricky Morris Jr. Doron Chan David M. Vicente You think about that list, and you think about Bush's laughing, smirking performance the other night. You think about all of that when you head into the voting booth this November. 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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Amos Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:53 PM Thank you , Sins....it is very satisfying to see what has been a personal distress for many months suddenly starting to be articulated in the mouths of people who have more reach into the world than I do. The murderousness of Bush's militarism and his politics of convenience just makes me spit. (expletives deleted). Thanks again. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Amergin Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:09 PM Thank you, Sins...that is a good article...for everyone to read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,pdc Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:16 PM I had posted this on another thread, but following that article Sinsull posted, I think it may belong here. Please read it -- it's very well-written. Veterans against War |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:25 PM Gosh, between GUEST in NW and Sinsull, no reason for me to take up any one's time.... You all keep up the good work Junior Bush will keep up the bad work... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 04 - 12:30 AM Thanks, Sinsull. I feel like punching my computer screen, but it's hard to see through the wet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 04 - 12:32 AM Don't Americans have a leash for that guy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: katlaughing Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:08 AM You've good reason to be proud, Sins, thanks for sharing that. Please, everyone, remember to vote and get as many friends and family as you can to also get out and vote!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Blackcatter Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:34 AM Ya know - the White House is actually more likely to contain WMDs than is Iraq. . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:45 AM Lord knows DougR and I have had some go arounds, but I don't think Doug would condone that type of thing from the White House or the President or anyone else for that matter. That was implied on the post that started this thread, and I wish to state that I don't agree with the remark. I generally do not agree with Doug's political views, nor he with mine, but I perceive him to be an honourable man, and I would be less than honourable myself if I didn't say so. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Strick Date: 28 Mar 04 - 07:51 AM Normally I stay out of this kind of thread since "weapons of mass destruction" have become a sort of Pavlovian trigger for some people. They foam at the mouth and respond, "Bush is evil! I hate him, I hate him, I hate him!" when ever WMDs are brought up. In this case all that happened was that Bush applied some self-deprecating humor to his biggest vulnerability. There are too many dead, but this is not how you show respect for them. Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction and it's easy to see who's really playing politics with the dead in this case. That's not why I'm posting. All you 'Catters who are not Americans, you Brits and Canadian, all you others, look at the title of this thread and see what it's saying. 500 dead. 500 dead Americans. Have you noticed? Coalition dead don't matter. Iraqi dead don't matter. Saddam's murders don't matter. All that here matters is American blood. This obsession with American blood is not a new thing. It's not a sign of rising Fascism, not just a conservative issue, if anything it seems (IMHO) more prevalent among American liberals. So long as we fight Clinton's kind of war where we sit a long way away and lob missiles to kill those we've decided to punish, who ever happens to be in the kill zone, everything's OK. It's like the violence in the movies and TV and video games that Hollywood insists on making, it's not real. "No Americans were killed in the making of this war" is all some need to see for everything to be all right. We don't see the dead, they don't exist. Nice and clean and antiseptic. This is what should frighten you, not some neo-cons in the DC Beltway writing white papers and running computer simulations that ignore political and economic reality. They're too isolated from the real America to count, lost in a fantasy. That will sort itself out. Their influence will self-destruct at their next call for their kind of war. What should keep you awake nights is that in the real America, we can make war so long as it's not us dying. We're working hard to automate our weapons, to take American crews out of our planes and tanks and ships so that we can use them whenever we want. Once we're free of that burden, who will we decide to punish next, when will one of our politicians decide to "wag the dog" to get out of a problem at home? Be honest: do you think that only one American party thinks America is always right and should tell other people what they have to do? Only one party plays politics with war? This is the real evil at the heart of America, that some people only see half the horror of war and accept war when that half's not apparent. And look, here it is wallowing in hate again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:01 AM There is a plus sign after 500, Strick, and not enough room in the subject line for much more. That's what I (as a brit) read from that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Strick Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:06 AM Funny, I count room for another 15 zeros in the subject line. No room in the line for 10,000+ killed in the war? Or 100,000+ when you throw Saddam's butcher's bill in? Nice try, but that doesn't wash, Guest, and it's not just this thread that shows the attitude I'm talking about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:09 AM "look at the title of this thread and see what it's saying. 500 dead. 500 dead Americans" It says 500 +, Strick, and it was the title of this thread you were talking about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,Shlio Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:54 AM Strick, that always happens. Just like you, wherever you live, get local news on your tv. On my news, I get news of a UK strike before news of hundreds dead overseas. Just because people are more likely to feel sympathy for those that they identify with. Yes, it's heart-breaking. But it will happen until people stop thinking about americans, iraqis and british, and instead recognise that we are all human beings. I can't see it happening soon... Until then, I'm just glad that people realise that these deaths are shocking. Sinsull, I am amazed. You have every right to be proud! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: katlaughing Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:02 AM I sure don't see the word "American" in the title of this thread. We've had plenty of threads throughout the year in which many of us mourned the deaths of ALL involved in this shurbiasco. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Donuel Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:14 AM Yesterday I filed to collect a reward for turning in the terrorist respondsible for 9-11. It was recently doubled to 50 million dollars. I submitted the name address and workplace of Donald Rumsfeld. It is a joke but with all earnestness. Who knows. if more people start doing such things the growing murmur will begin to embolden people within the system to defy the special orders office in the Pentagon. I am the last one to say I welcome a military coup but we have already had one in the form of a political neocon takeover of the military chain of command. There is a growing faction in the military to defy the Cheney Rumsfeld stranglehold on the Pentagon and CIA. There is talk of a mutiny. This may be the next event bigger than an election of presidents. Is a coup on the way, I don't know but this was recently said publicly by an American Admiral... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushoath1.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,pdc Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:14 PM Strick, if you think that Americans only care about American casualties, for God's sake read the link at my post on March 27 at 10:16 p.m. It's written by Americans who have actually been there, who aren't spouting rhetoric or pious patriotism -- they are discussing the reality of war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: dianavan Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:14 PM Donuel - Exactly! If everyone took one small step of defiance, the Whitehouse would begin to feel the rumble. If the military decides to defy orders, all the better. It would be the final blow for the Bush administration. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:19 PM Strick: "They're [Neocons] too isolated from the real America to count, lost in a fantasy." I usually am in awe of your thinking skills. Not in this case. Part of the problem we face with the NWO and Neocon agenda is the pervasive ability of the government to control media and other forms of communication. We are getting to the point where folks won't need to be brainwashed because a light rinse will do. You have more faith in the 'strength' of America than I do. The people are being made weak with a diet of lies and the obfuscation of truth. This happened before in other countries, and America will not be the exception to it happening again. The 'structural' integrity of the USA is being weakened by multi-nationals and the manipulation of money. The people are being fed an intellectual diet that is not healthy. I disagree with that conclusion on your part. Bruce M |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: DougR Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:33 PM Just two words, Michael, lighten up. It was a correspondence dinner. Presidents poke fun at themselves, traditionally, at that affair. You wouldn't think Bush said anything funny anyway, anytime. Just another thing to poke at. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: michaelr Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:49 PM As the person who started and named this thread, I want to state clearly that I don't believe American lives are more valuable than Iraqui's. In fact, I may have more sympathy for an Iraqui civilian who finds himself in harm's way without a choice than I have for a US citizen who chooses to be part of the killing machine. However, I expect the Resident to have no sympathy for those that are killed on his orders. I did not expect him to be so publicly callous about the sons and daughters of his constituency. As to Doug R, I don't know him personally and so have no idea how "honorable" he is. I do know from reading his posts here that he is an unquestioning apologist for this regime. Nothing personal, Doug! Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:54 PM "What should keep you awake nights is that in the real America, we can make war so long as it's not us dying. We're working hard to automate our weapons, to take American crews out of our planes and tanks and ships so that we can use them whenever we want. Once we're free of that burden, who will we decide to punish next, when will one of our politicians decide to "wag the dog" to get out of a problem at home? Be honest: do you think that only one American party thinks America is always right and should tell other people what they have to do? Only one party plays politics with war?" in total agreement with you here, strick. no, both parties have played this wicked game at times. the guys doing it now seem to me to be playing with a lot more fiery situations than any other past admin dealt with. all the more reason to get them out. by the way, the first administration to use remote control war was not clinton (tho he did it too). it was bush the first in the gulf war. also, on your other point you may note that my earlier post included american and iraqui dead references. i agree that it is evil to discount the innocent iraqui that have died in this sham. dougR, please refer to my post of 27 Mar 04 - 09:16 PM for some reasoning as to why michael and others may feel a bit disgusted at GWB's hijinks. and you know, you still haven't responded to my documented bush lie over on the " popular views of the bush admin." thread. just don't want to admit that your boy can tell a lie or do you think the line i cited is just a joke too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Donuel Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:08 PM A light rinse will do lol whoa thats funny Doug R. I know the National Correspondents dinner well, I have video tapes of the last 14 dinners and some were incredibly hilarious. I even made the last Clinton video shown at the dinner available on ebay available at cost until C-Span or some or another whacko threatened to sue me. Drew Carey was a hoot when he made fun of Cheney a couple years back. ************************************************************** But at no dinner had any President EVER BEFORE made fun of a war scenario in which lives were lost. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= I would be happy to make a couple DVD's available for of these dinners to people who are interested. I checked and C-Span is no longger selling the oldies. Meanwhile I do not yet have the lastest Bush dinner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: dianavan Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:34 PM It would have been more appropriate if Bush had joked about himself being brain-dead. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Metchosin Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:39 PM Now if Clinton had looked under the table and said "Close, but no cigar," that would have been funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:39 PM DougR & Teribus: What I said was "If I had sent one man to death because of false information I gave I'd be filled with guilt and shame. I cannot imagine joking about it in front of their kin. And it's more than one; it's 500+ Americans & allies and thousands of uncounted Iraquis. " You're not listening. Doug, remember, Bush's little witticisms were broadcast and reported in the media. If a doctor prescribes the wrong drug and kills his patient do you think it'd be funny to joke about it to the victim's wife? Answer, please. clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Jim McCallan Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:54 PM Teribus hasn't been in this thread yet, clint.... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:55 PM My apologies to Teribus. That should have been addressed to _Strick_ and Doug. clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: DougR Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:03 PM What's the point of agruing about it? Those of you who are convinced it was a bad thing to joke about will never think otherwise. As to the weapons of mass destruction, we ain't through looking for them yet! (I started to add a :>), but I don't want anyone to think I am insensitive.) :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:04 PM Doug, It WAS a bad thing to joke about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Jim McCallan Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM Where would you draw the line, when it comes to Bush's behaviour, DougR? Serious question. Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Damon Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM Maybe giving the order to prevent airforce interceptions on 9/11 was overstepping the mark? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:17 PM "As to the weapons of mass destruction, we ain't through looking for them yet!" the american task force that was looking for WMDs is no longer making a serious effort to find anything and hasn't since before david kay's report. check your news sources on that one dougR. "What's the point of agruing about it?" there is no point in arguing. however, reasonable people can discuss an issue, make points, cite factual information, back up their assertions with reasoning, and accept others viewpoints during the discussion as truly held but subject to debate. the key words here are "reasoning" and "facts". think about it. still waiting for your comment on the bush lie i quoted on the "popular views of the bush admin." thread. are you just going to skip it, thereby conceding it is indeed a documented bush lie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: TIA Date: 28 Mar 04 - 11:03 PM DougR; I believe I asked you this months ago - exactly how long does GWB get to look for the WMD? If, in 5 years they still haven't been found, will you still insist that they definitely exist, they just haven't been found yet. I feel the same way about the tooth fairy, bigfoot, and leprechauns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: DougR Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM GUEST: Facts? The subject of this thread is the jokes Bush made at the Correspondence Dinner. It is a fact that he told them. It is a fact that some people disapprove of his telling them. It is a fact that some people don't disapprove. The poster ask for opinions, and he is getting them. Whoever and all: no, I do not think the sun rises and sets on George W. Bush. Sure he has probably made mistakes. Who hasn't? My main concern is I think he is taking the right approach to eleminating terriorism. Find 'em and exterminate them. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:26 PM "My main concern is I think he is taking the right approach to eleminating terriorism. Find 'em and exterminate them." My main concern is I think he isn't. There are thousands of exterminated Iraqis & Afghanis who weren't terrorists. A lot of them weren't Saddamites, either. Was it worth the exterminated Americans & other coalitiion members? clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes From: Amergin Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:32 PM To me it is akin to Richard Butler joking about the Holocaust... |
