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Subject: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:18 AM The full hour is devoted to Kerry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:47 AM I just finished watching this show. WHEW!!! I'm soooo relieved. He looks Presidential, he spoke well, he was unflappable, he didn't wet his pants. In a debate (so called) with President bush, he would chew him up in little pieces and spit him out one corner of his mouth. I'll bet the bush is going to do EVERYTHING possible to avoid meeting him in a televised debate. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 11:15 AM Blair is on "This Week" right now, being interviewed by George S. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 11:15 AM That's on ABC. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 04 - 02:09 PM If you missed it (as I did), it will be rebroadcast on CNBC at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time, 7:00 p.m. Pacific Time. I've got the VCR set. Check your local listings if in doubt. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 02:23 PM Don ... Kerry will be the one on the left of your screen. (just trying to help out) Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 03:32 PM Thanks, Don. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 04 - 04:42 PM Good-oh!! Just learned that CNBC is giving the Kerry interview a double shot. They're not only rebroadcasting it at the times I posted above, but also at 1:00 a.m. (Monday morning) Eastern Time, 10:00 p.m. (Sunday, tonight) Pacific Time. I've been watching 60 Minutes with some regularity lately because they've been airing some pretty intense stuff of late and I didn't want to miss it. "Okay, dipstick, why don't you watch one while you're taping the other one, then watch the other one later?" Because I want to tape them both. Being in intense "keep on top of it" mode these days, sometimes I like to watch such programs again, or pick out specific sections. Taping is the easiest way I know of to take notes. Tonight's 60 Minutes looks like it's going to be pretty interesting. Journalist Bob Woodward tells 60 Minutes the secret details of the White House's plans for war on Iraq in an exclusive interview, Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.". . . an informed electorate. . . ." --Thomas Jefferson Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:59 PM Right, so how come no one is talking about how much Kerry sounded just like Bush on the foreign policy issues on Meet the Press? Still gung ho about having gone into Iraq. Supporting the Sharon/Bush plan to annex the West Bank and keep the Palestinians out of Israel... So, I'm supposed to vote for this guy because he might be better on the environment? Maybe. No guarantees there, either. Or on the deficit. Kerry said he might have to scale back any or all of his campaign promises, depending on how things go. Yeah, Kerry has effectively exiled the progressive left from the Democratic party for good, it looks like to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:10 PM From the Washington Post article, summarizing this interview: On Cuba (essentially same position as Bush): "Kerry said he was opposed to lifting the U.S. embargo against Cuba, though he favored talks with that country." On the Mideast war: "Kerry said he supported Bush's endorsement of a plan by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to hold on to parts of the West Bank, a change to long-standing U.S. policy that has angered the Palestinians. Asked about Israel's assassination Saturday of Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a top leader of the Palestinian militant organization Hamas, Kerry echoed the White House by expressing support for Israel's efforts to try to be secure." On the budget deficit and Kerry's domestic agenda: "Kerry, in a wide-ranging, hourlong interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," also stood by his promise to create 10 million jobs and halve the deficit in his first four years as president, though he conceded that soaring red ink could force him to scale back some of his campaign proposals." Add that to his continuing support for the Patriot Act, and I can't see any real real distinction between Kerry and Bush. Just as the progressive left predicted would happen when the kill Dean campaign succeeded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:19 PM YAWN .... YAWN. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Bobert Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:20 PM Yeah, Deckman, Kerry could win 99 out of 99 debates with Bush. Problem is that the American voters don't have a clue who is winning until afterwards when the right wing media spins it. Gore tore Bush up three times and didn't credit but for one "draw" in the second debate. It wasn't even close but the right winged media gave Bush 2 of the 3 with one draw. Go figure? Now as for GUEST's commenets. I have the same reservations that all we are about to do is replace one Bush with another. I'm glad that Ralph Nadar is in the race becuase if the Dems are just intent on replacing Bush with another one, forget it... The Dems have to stand for something, dang it... I'm gettin' a little less sure about Kerry unless he's willing to show some guts. Forget that flip-flop crap. Hey, an intellegent man is one who is smart enough to see that something ain't workin' and having th courage to change his thinking... We need some new thinking. The old stuff ain't gettin' the job done... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Peace Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:29 PM However, the real difference between Bush and Kerry--even if their policies are exactly the same--is that Americans would get new advisors to the President. No Cheney, no Wolfowitz, no . . . . Into every life a little light must shine. So don't be fooled by the "they are the same so let's keep the one we got" stuff. Just ain't so! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:35 PM I listened to the Woodward interview just now. It is worth listening to--and is very frightening. Very frightening. If the American people are so colossally stupid as to elect Dubya to another term I'm moving to Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Peace Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:55 PM Love to have you, SRS. Bruce M |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 09:06 PM Bobert ... well said. I've been angry about Nader stepping into the race again until I listened to him the other day. If I can trust what he is saying, he wants to "raise" the level of questions, raise the intensity of questioning. He apparently thinks that Kerry needs help, or is not asking the right questions. By saying this, I'm NOT being a spokesman for anyone, but I found Nader's point interesting. Buckle up your seat belts folks ... it's 'gonna be one hellava ride! CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Metchosin Date: 18 Apr 04 - 09:30 PM So would I SRS, but I wouldn't be in any rush if I were you. We currently have an unelected Prime Minister who is far more favourably disposed to current US foreign policy than our previous one. He also had no qualms about skirting our own Canadian labour regulations by registering his ships under a flag of convenience or using offshore tax loopholes to avoid paying Canadian taxes. He justified it by declaring that that's what you have to do if you want to play with the big boys. While Finance Minister, he was also responsible for the largest cuts in social spending ever brought in by an elected administration. I don't hold much hope for him steering a course independant of current US desires. Its called levelling the playing field.....downward. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:08 PM Well, shit. I don't think Fox is doing much in Mexico to make that a particularly attractive destination right now, either, despite the hopes people had about his election. Are there any Caribbean islands for sale? I see that a thread has started about the Woodward interview, and a convenient link was posted to the CBS transcript (hurrah to CBS for posting it!). It's frightening, how little Bush thinks of his own advisors. When he's preparing to go to war, making the final big decision to say Yes or No, does he ask a general? No, he asks Karen Hughes, an Austin attorney, and Condoleeza Rice, a something-or-other from Stanford. I'm not blasting him for asking women, far from it. But I'm blasting him for asking "yes" people who didn't have experience with war. He has so wasted the resources that Colin Powell can offer. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:26 PM It is stupid to assume that if people are criticizing Kerry, that it means they will vote for Bush. Kerry needs to be criticized, and so do the Democrats for rolling over and playing dead. AGAIN. And nominating another center right candidate that has few policy differences with the current president. In war time, that is a sure fire recipe for handing the race to the incumbent, because people don't like changing leadership during war time. And BTW, what the hell happened to the Democrats against the Iraq war, hmmmm? They dried up, and blew silently away in the wind. No anti-war protesting now people--it might lose the election for the pro-war candidate Kerry. As to the Woodward interview, it is all old stuff. There is no way that Bush could have planned the war, gotten everyone in place, stolen the money from Congress had he not gotten a good head start on it. Even the impeachable offense of him illegally redirecting the funds (the $700 million) for Afghanistan to his war build up won't make the mainstream media OR the Democratic party call for an investigation. History will look back on this era as the era when the Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop the steamrolling Republican wave of fascism. So go ahead and vote for Kerry because you think it is the most politically expedient way to waste your vote. I'm voting my conscience, thank you very much. That way, at least I know my vote won't be wasted like it would be if I vote for Kerry. The more I see of Kerry, the more I feel vindicated in my decision to vote for Nader. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:33 PM Yawn ... Yawn. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Cruiser Date: 18 Apr 04 - 10:47 PM I started a thread months ago (and this one before I signed in) about being a Rebublican and stating I could not vote for Bush again. I do not like Kerry and I am not sure I can vote for him, but I may do so as a vote against Bush. Ralph Nader is an eccentric misfit and unfit for high public office. Cruiser |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 04 - 11:25 PM Bob--I'm glad to see you "got it" as far as Nader. A lot of people were very angry, myself included, when he decided to declare himself a candidate. But I listened to a few interviews and it was clear from the very beginning that he is taking advantage of the position as a candidate to attack Bush this time, not to run against a Democrat. He wants people to see just how awful Bush is on so many levels, and Nader is smart enough to quote chapter and verse on the stuff that Bush has done wrong. Though it doesn't show, I've been away for a while. I realized as I started this that the Kerry interview was on CNBC. I hope Don was able to tape or watch it. It is a good one. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Deckman Date: 18 Apr 04 - 11:52 PM SRS... I'm NOT trusting that I "got" it yet. I've lived long enough, and voted in enough elections that I have learned to hold my judgment until the end. We'll see ..... Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 19 Apr 04 - 08:33 AM Up until 2000, the Washington establishment was essentially the Democratic Party establishment, and had been for decades. The Democrats are every bit as corrupt, every bit as malign and sinister, as the Republicans. They just have a different set of funders and special interests behind them is all. Kerry represents the heart and soul of the Washington Democrat establishment. If you are looking for real change in Washington, he will not bring it. If you are looking to unseat Bush, he may not be the man to beat him because of that. In wartime, the country won't change leadership unless the current leader is perceived as being way off track, as Johnson was seen as being when he decided not to run. There is a possibility of that happening if the war in Iraq doesn't start going Bush's way. But if this insurgency can be put down with an influx of more troops and more money, I'd say Bush will be here for another 4 years because the voters don't look critically at a sitting president the way they do the incumbent. When people begin to compare Bush and Kerry on the issues, it becomes clear fairly quickly that there are not that many differences between them on the major policy issues of this election. So if the war in Iraq is under control, and the Saudis do what they promised they would do for Bush, which is deliver cheaper fuel prices for the November 2004 election, then the voters will look at Kerry, see there are no major differences between him and Bush, and vote for Bush. The Democrats needed to take a bold step in this election, and run someone that was clearly different and a true alternative to Bush and the Washington establishment. Instead, they went with the safe, Republicrat candidate, and figured they could capitalize on grassroots anger from the 2000 election. The last thing the party establishment wanted was an anti-war candidate, because the Democratic party establishment fully supports the war on Iraq. I know a lot of young people who were really, truly fired up during the primary season, who now feel hopeless because of Kerry getting the nomination. I predict it will be Bush for 4 more years, because the Democratic party keeps ignoring the young, new blood and their own grassroots that keeps trying to get a toe hold in the party. The Democrats have a presumed candidate who truly deserves to lose in November, because he doesn't offer a true alternative to the Bush Republican agenda. But the nation and the world do not deserve four more years of Bush and his brand of Republicanism. That may well be a real problem come November. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Deckman Date: 19 Apr 04 - 09:00 AM Guest ... a very interesting analysis. I wish you'd regester so I could respond in detail to your comments. I will NOT respond in detail to "guests." Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Amos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:26 PM SRS: As regards Caribbean islands for sale, here's one but it seems over priced. On the other hand they aren't making any more of them. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Amos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 01:15 PM here's one--there was a typo in the HREF, sorry. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Don Firth Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:04 PM I presume that the GUEST directly above is the same GUEST who says he/she/it intends to vote for Nader. Okay, so be it. But if GUEST seriously thinks that Nader can win over Bush, and Kerry can't he, she, or it is living in a dream world. I think I know where this person is coming from. My particular favorite prior to the general shaking out was Kucinich. I still think his "Ten Key Issues" offer the real alternative that this country needs. But I also know that he would have a pretty rough go getting much, or any, of this passed with the current Congress (not impossible, though, because there is a way). And the unfortunate political reality is that Kucinich is not the most charismatic man in the world, and, sadly, that seems to count with much of the American electorate. In any case, I voted for him in the caucus. But I noticed that same "I've got my blinders on, I like my blinders, and if you don't agree with me, you can all go to hell!" attitude that GUEST displays from many of the more hard-charging Deaniacs at the caucus. And now, I get the idea that many of the more rabid ones have switched their allegiance to Nader. Same rhetoric. I had a chance to watch 60 Minutes and I got it on tape; and I managed to watch part of the Kerry Meet the Press interview, but was interrupted several times. Fortunately I got that on tape also, so I'll be watching the whole thing shortly. My thanks to Cruiser on the Bob Wordward on '60 Minutes' thread for posting the link to the transcript of the interview with Woodward. It becomes evident that George W. Bush, although he may be fun at a party and a good host at a barbeque, is totally inadequate as any kind of leader, much less as a president. I found this interchange in the Woodward interview particularly telling: How deep a man is President George W. Bush? "He's not an intellectual. He is not what I guess would be called a deep thinker," says Woodward. "He chastised me at one point because I said people were concerned about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction. And he said, 'Well you travel in elite circles.' I think he feels there is an intellectual world and he's indicated he's not a part of it … the fancy pants intellectual world. What he calls the elite."A man who doesn't value the intellect is not presidential material. Send him back to Crawford, Texas, put an apron on him and a spatula in his hand, and let him preside over the ribs. But the idea that Kerry, as GUEST says, "truly deserves to lose in November, because he doesn't offer a true alternative to the Bush Republican agenda" is nincompoopery made manifest. First, if Kerry "deserves to lose" and does, we'll have four more years of Bush. And second, if GUEST truly thinks "that there are not that many differences between them on the major policy issues of this election," then GUEST must be sticking his/her/its fingers in his/her/its ears whenever Kerry is in the news. And third, after seeing the Bush press conference and contrasting it to what I saw of the Tim Russert's interview with Kerry, I would LOVE to see a series of debates (or even just one) between Kerry and Bush. That would make the essential differences, both in policies and in fitness for the job patently obvious to everyone. In the Russert interview, Kerry challenged Bush to a series of debates on the issues. Bush's response to that challenge--if any--is going to be very interesting. Bush hates press conferences because he is at least smart enough know that his actual knowledge of his own issues is pretty shaky at best, his usually colletion of "bumper-sticker" answers won't work, and that he simply can't think on his feet. Kerry has been a master of debate since he was quite young. I recently saw an old clip of him on the Dick Cavet show. He was 24 at the time, involved in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and debating a gung ho pro-war Marine. I have to agree with Bob (Deckman), that Kerry would "chew him up in little pieces and spit him out one corner of his mouth." And I think Bush does too. Watch for some very flashy tap-dancing on the part of Bush or his supporters to avoid a debate. It's going to be an interesting few months. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:44 AM "I think I know where this person is coming from." You presume too much, and project your own biases and prejudices on others based upon your presumptions. "First, if Kerry "deserves to lose" and does, we'll have four more years of Bush." That is correct. And the Democrats should have thought about that before they shoved this wishy-washy candidate down the throats of the party, and exiled the youth vote and the grassroots of the party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:52 AM Oh and Don, saying that Kerry is a great debater and Bush is an idiot, doesn't change the fact that their policy views are identical in enough cases, and close enough in others, for John and Jane Q Voters to say "I think I'll stick with the original" and vote for Bush. BTW, it would help if, when you claim that Bush and Kerry's positions aren't the same or very similar, that you provide actual proof. Kerry supports the Iraq war, just says he would have fought it differently. Kerry supports the new Sharon plan, and the Sharon administration in Israel. Kerry supports the Patriot Act. Kerry supports the war on terrorism. Of course Kerry will have some policy differences with Bush on things like the environment, education, and some other domestic policy issues. But those issues aren't the ones that will decide the upcoming election. My support of Nader's candidacy doesn't change the facts of Kerry's positions on the key issues of the election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:20 AM Here you go Don. Of course, the jury is out until the first Tuesday in November. But today's results of the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll supports my theory. When the two candidates are roughly identical in their positions on the major issues of the election, the incumbent, particularly in wartime, will win. Now, if I could figure that out, why couldn't the Democratic Leadership Council? The Democrats couldn't have picked a more unelectable candidate than Kerry. Here is an excerpt from the article in today's Post: Poll Shows New Gains For Bush Lead Over Kerry Widens On Issues of Security By Richard Morin and Dan Balz Washington Post Staff Writers Tuesday, April 20, 2004; Page A01 President Bush holds significant advantages over John F. Kerry in public perceptions of who is better equipped to deal with Iraq and the war on terrorism, and he has reduced the advantages his Democratic challenger held last month on many domestic issues, according to a Washington Post-ABC News Poll. The poll also found that Iraq and the war on terrorism have surged in importance, and ranked with the economy and jobs as top voting issues. Despite signs of concern among Americans about the violence in Iraq, the poll showed Bush's approval ratings holding steady and Kerry's slipping on a variety of issues and attributes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:41 AM The only advantages that Bush has to Kerry... are in the eyes of the defence department, the 'defence contractors', talk show hosts, and all the people like you... guest... who are on the Bush payroll. Nader is a side show. Bush is fading fast. Spin is increasingly obvious. Your 'spin', guest... has the look and feel of mercenary hodge-podge. Fun fun fun... yeah... Kerry will be like a breath of fresh air after this 'eternity of mishaps' is over. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:46 AM Right, when feeling threatened, resort to the ad hominem attack. You can hurl all the accusations you want at me for supporting Nader, but your invective won't change those poll numbers. Making the case for your man might though. Not that I expect to see any Mudcatters making a cogent argument for Kerry anytime soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Nerd Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:57 AM GUEST, as I pointed out in another thread, Kerry does not support the Patriot Act, bacause he thinks Bush is abusing it. He wants it to expire and be replaced by new anti-terrorism laws that do not attack our civil rights and liberties. Just one place where your distortions will not hold up. Here's what he says about it: We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashcroft. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I've been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American's basic rights. Much of what is in Patriot Act are good ideas. The Act increased penalties for terrorists, limited the statute of limitations for terrorist crimes, and allowed for greater prosecution of overseas acts against America. I fought to include important money laundering restrictions to clamp down on the cash flowing to terrorist enterprises. I had been pushing for these ideas since the late nineties – and after September 11th they were more important than ever. I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn't a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn't the time to haggle. It was the time to act. But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That's why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:03 AM President Bush holds significant advantages over John F. Kerry in public perceptions of who is better equipped to deal with Iraq and the war on terrorism Is this some sort of weird joke? His dealing with Iraq has wasted A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Teribus Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:44 AM "Kerry will be like a breath of fresh air after this 'eternity of mishaps' is over." Will he now TTR. What is the basis for that rather definite statement? Do you know who will make up John F. Kerry's administration? Do you know who will be John F Kerry's Vice-President even? Don't know why, but in your Presidential election circus, from outside your country the view seems to be totally centred on personality with the absolutute minimal attention being paid to policy and substance. The ABB crowd appear to be totally prepared, without the slightest hesitation, to jump from the frying pan straight into the fire. Nobody has a bloody clue, beyond the vaguest hints (see the John F Kerry quotation provided by Nerd above) what John F Kerry and his administration will do IF ELECTED - it's about time you started to find out and find out in detail. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with debates, purely a matter of the prospective candidate laying out his stall and explaining fully what he is going to do and why he thinks that such policies will work better than those of his political adversary. Have a close look at the five paragraph quotation of John F Kerry's, provided by Nerd - it tells you, precisely, sweet FA. Paragraph 1 - pure electioneering sound-byte. Paragraph 2 - pure waffle, totally devoid of detail and substance, meaningless Paragraphs 3 & 4 - in which he prepares the ground for doing nothing about the Patriot Act, or of only making minor amendments. Paragraph 5 - pure electioneering sound-byte, again totally devoid of detail or substance - meaningless Hells teeth, this man could be holding the reins of government, of the most powerful country in the world, in just over eight months time. Does anyone not feel slightly apprehesive over the fact he cannot give detailed answers at this stage, has no-one on "his" team worked any of this out? The same can be said for every single aspect or issue connected with the running of your country come January 2005. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:23 PM "The perceptions mentioned can only be hallucinations caused by alcoholic withdrawal." I suggest then Amos, you take it up with the Washington Post writers, who may or may not agree with your assessments. And Nerd, Kerry's position still supports the essence of the Patriot Act. He is just doublespeaking, saying he will look at it, keep most of it, and call it by a new name. Blech, I say. Same old Republicrat claptrap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Don Firth Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:42 PM I stand by what I wrote, GUEST, and anyone who wishes can verify it. All they have to do is pay attention. You are merely recycling the same arguments that Nader's supporters used four years ago. But about that, I agree with Nader. Recycling is good. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 02:32 PM Well Teribus, we have found the rare circumstance where we agree on one thing. The "Anybody But Bush" camp hasn't bothered to examine Kerry's record and compare it to Bush's record. Now, the fact that there isn't much, if anything, to distinguish Kerry's voting record from Bush's policies, doesn't mean I'm in favor of Bush, because I'm absolutely opposed to him continuing as president. However, I'm enough of a realist, and one who actually looks at the candidate's record and white papers, to see where they plan on taking the nation. In Kerry's case, he has no plan, no agenda, no vision for America's future, and that, along with the fact that he supported Bush's initiatives, means that the Democrats have, once again, shot themselves in the foot and the nation in the back, by choosing a supposedly "most electable" candidate who likely isn't electable at all. Smoke and mirrors. And the nation and the world will suffer four more years of Bush because of the hysteria of the "Anybody But Bush" camp, and the inability of the Democratic establishment to risk nominating anyone outside their own tiny, paranoid circle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:11 PM On the Meet the Press interview Kerry stated that he would release all of his military records. Today the Front Page of the drudge report is stating that Kerry is refusing to release any more of his military records than were previously released. Typical Kerry. He is also refusing to release Teresa's tax records. That was a huge issue with Geraldine Ferraro and her husband. I think both of these will come back to haunt Kerry- especially after stating that he would release all the records on Meet the Press. What goes around (with military records) comes around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Ebbie Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:36 PM http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040420/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_purple_hearts: "Amid questions about his military records, John Kerry (news - web sites)'s campaign on Tuesday provided documentation of Vietnam War injuries that included shrapnel wounds to his arms, legs and buttocks that earned him three Purple Hearts. "Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said the campaign was in the process of compiling the rest of Kerry's naval record and planned to begin posting it on Kerry's Web site by day's end. Kerry said all his military records are available to the public during an appearance Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." Meehan said the Massachusetts senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee requested a copy of his record from the Navy last month and received roughly 150 pages last week." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:49 PM Terribus, and Pest Ghoster... You guys are hilarious! Like the knight in "The Holy Grail"... "Come back here... I'll bite your leg off!" Aspersions about Kerry... you're just peeing in the pool. Bush's record is phenominally bad... If you haven't noticed... you may be stuck in one of the hundreds of websites that Bush/Cheney "bought out" and converted into their own web page... While we all are in agreement about Saddam's nefarious character... Many of us 'fancy pants' 'navel gazers' are still more concerned about Al Quaida than the pursuit of a war that has produced mostly mayhem and isolation. We could have the world by our side... and I believe it is only right that we should... in our (the world's) desire to end terrorism. This issue should have united the world leaders and strengthened ties between diplomats and common citizens alike. Inclusivity was all but guarenteed. Until Iraq. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: freightdawg Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:52 PM Yo, Teribus, Have you thought of getting a job as a TV journalist? You would probably fail, because the questions you asked were pertinent, hard hitting, appropriate, and spot-on. The frustrating thing is that no one will ever ask Kerry those questions, because Kerry is the darling of the left-wing media. You and the anonymous (if there is just one) guest have hit the nail on the head repeatedly. All we know about Kerry is that he disagrees vehemently (well, sort of) with Bush and will completely change everything (well, kind of) that Bush has done, except, well, the troops stay in Iraq, the Patriot act just gets some window dressing, we are not going to drill in ANWR, except, of course, if we need oil and the unions need a few thousand jobs. The hypocrisy of labeling Bush as being vacuous while defending Kerry's multi-personality voting record is appalling. Of course, now that they have eliminated the quality candidates from contention the Democrats have to circle their wagons somehow. What does Kerry stand for? What are his core convictions? Why does he have a voting record that shows "for" and "against" votes on just about every major issue in this election? If the nation's lightbulb burns out, I do not want someone as president who can give me a detailed explanation of how the lightbulb was invented, all of the various varieties of possible replacements, all of the socio-economic, moral-ethical and technological ramifications of changing the lightbulb. I do not want him to be able to build an international coalition to support and possibly even help defray the cost of replacing the lightbulb. I just want him to be able to unscrew one lightbulb and screw another one in. If Kerry can do that, just tell me. That's how Reagan got elected, and its how Clinton got elected. Seemed to work pretty good for those fellows. Freightdawg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Ebbie Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:15 PM "I just want him to be able to unscrew one lightbulb and screw another one in." Well, in Bush you may have got what you thought you wanted. Mind you, I'm not positive. After all, it appears to be the bush's style to wrest the ladder forcibly from the neighbors- alienating every one of them in the process- setting it up with assistance from some other people to whom he has promised future largesse, and then sending another guy up the ladder to take out the bulb. Blood sprays everywhere- and none of it is Bush's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 21 Apr 04 - 02:37 AM Ignoring (not learning from) history, may doom us to repeat it. While detailed scientific analysis of history may be dry reading and overwraught with unnecessary particulars not presently applicable, The lessons are there. It makes no sense at all to pretend about such things... Think tanks and colleges all across the US are at any president's beck and call. To not use them wisely is a breach of responsibility for a "President of the United States"... period. To remain single minded and sparcely informed in the wake of a 'slim' victory is also a questionable approach to democracy... if not morally reprehensible. Has Bush been able to replace even one light bulb? I've been hearing alot of glass breaking, but it's still mighty dark... Of course Kerry won't be perfect. But he'll get the lights back on, and then we can all start cleaning up this gawdawful mess... Maybe we can even find ordinary people on the world map again! ...and meaningful work... will be so good for us! ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 21 Apr 04 - 07:27 AM OK, Thomas the Rhymer, we get that Kerry is your man. And when he loses in November, and we're stuck with Bush for another four years, we'll blame you for backing yet another loser Republicrat. But don't expect to win over this independent with that tired old strategy. I'm sticking with Nader. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 21 Apr 04 - 08:47 PM Ok, Guest... we get that you are a self indulgent Bush supporter, and seek to obscure this from people by shouting "Nader!" alot... Good luck, and may our arguements be purely for the betterment of all... ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 21 Apr 04 - 10:11 PM You know what Thomas the Rhymer, I don't think you calling Nader supporters Bush supporters as an epithet is gonna get you into heaven. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 21 Apr 04 - 10:22 PM True enough... However, for the sake of clarity, I'd just like to point out that I am calling *you* a Bush supporter. And... for the record, I am a Nader supporter. His well informed point of view is invaluable to the health of democratic debate. Am I voting for him? No chance. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: GUEST Date: 21 Apr 04 - 11:03 PM Well Thomas, you insinuated in that other thread that if Bobert came on over to the Nader dark side, you'd put him in the Bush camp. Amos said essentially the same thing. So, is that the best tactic you got to get people to vote for your man? Try and insult and smear the people who you are afraid of, through making spurious guilt by association comments like that? That's purty fuckin' low there, Thomas. And like I said, I don't think you'll be nominated for sainthood for voting for Kerry, or into heaven hurling insults at Nader supporters. Or even sneering at them in that condescending way you did to Bobert. Of course, I'm part of the Mudcat untouchable caste, so of course you don't have to worry about insulting me. But Bobert is one of yours. Well, except for that stubborn Green streak of his, and that guy he voted for last time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: el ted Date: 22 Apr 04 - 10:34 AM Boring. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry On 'Meet The Press' Now (18 Apr 04) From: Amos Date: 22 Apr 04 - 10:44 AM This mindless sarcasm is in appropriate. If you think voting for Nader is the best long-term strategy open to you then go for it. It doesn't make you a Bush supporter, just someone who indirectly helps him get elected, if that is how it turns out. You have made it clear you don't care if that happens, because you believe in the democratic process. Some people believe that realpolitik is part of the democratic process. It won't do to assert that the latter ar enot really supporting the democratic process because they think differently than you do. When did untouchables get the vote, anyway? I thought the Harris axis fixed that~! :>) A |
