BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 04 - 03:06 PM

Rough and Ready

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 03:18 PM

For Fillmore (no lyrics):

1        Fillmore schottisch, op. 28 /
2        American quadrille /
3        Fillmore grand waltz, op. 253 /


For Taylor:

Hurrah for Rough and Ready
(sung to the tune of Old Dan Tucker)

When Washington and Jackson fled,
Folks thought our race of heroes dead,
But Freedom to her soil still steady,
Sent gallant Taylor, "the Rough and Ready."

Hurrah, hurrah,
Hurrah, hurrah,
Both night and day with voices steady,
Shout for our gallant "Rough and Ready."

A noble son of old Kentuck,
With a heart like a lion, an eye like a buck,
A head as clear as her skies so free,
And frame as tough as her hickory tree.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

In eighteen "12" 'gainst twelve to one,
He bravely saved Fort Harrison,
And made Miami's red skins fly,
From the lead of his guns, and the fire of his eye.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

At Florida in '37,
With five hundred men --- the foe eleven,
He burnt "red alligators" Toby,
And conquered at Lake Okeechobee.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

There Thompson, Brooke, and a hundred fell,
'Mid the roar of the storm and the Indian yell,
But Taylor gave the cats such cracks,
That they flew from the field like the fur from their backs.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.
At last against the lurking foe,
The pride of Bandit, Mexico,
He met them five to one quite handy,
And gave them Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

He covered Palo Alto's grass,
And Resaca de la Palma's Pass,
With heads and limbs and being winner,
He fed his troops on Arista's dinner.

Hurrah, hurrah, &c.

Then hail to Zach., the first of men,
With sword or word, or with the pen,
To the people ever true and steady,
We'll find him still "Old Rough and Ready."

Hurrah, hurrah,
Hurrah, hurrah,
Both night and day with voices steady,
Shout for the gallant "Rough and Ready."

Come fall in boys, eyes right and steady.
And raise the shout for Rough and Ready,
He licked Old Peg Leg with his Pass
And now he'll use up Lewis Cass.*

All of the preceding verses are from the Rough and Ready Songster except for this one.
This verse was found in an article in Fort Scott's files.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 18 May 04 - 04:07 PM

John Adams         214   218   205   637
Millard Fillmore   302   111   115   528

But he will pass George H.W. Bush in 1st place votes with only 6 more!


On the other hand:

Ronald Reagan          2620   1215   697   4532
William J. Clinton      3393    483   608   4484

Clinton will pass Reagan with only 49 more votes for ultimate leader.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 18 May 04 - 06:41 PM

Thanks Blackcatter! Great information on one of our least known presidents. Neil (AKA Irish sergeant)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:59 AM

John Adams       214 218 205 637
Millard Fillmore 318 111 116 545
Ulysses S. Grant 89 193 223 505

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:16 PM

MILLARD IS AT 593!!!

Again, I thank all of you for not only the suport but the song and everything else. Can we go just a bit longer and push the ol' boy up with the well known and recent group? It will take about another 150 votes or so, but we've come this far and I hate to see Millard so near and yet so far!

Vote early.....vote often. If you're voting for the first time might I suggest Garfield, Buchanan, Tyler, or Polk as your second and third slots? No competition to Millard that way!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jeri
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:51 PM

Stupid idea? YEE-HAA!
I don't know where you got 593, unless you're adding. He just now had 365 first pick votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 08:56 PM

The tally is for all votes Jeri....the far right column.....He's almost up into the recognized guys!!!! BTW, if you space it right, you can vote several times a day. I always throw Millard in at two or three on my second or third vote.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:02 PM

597

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:18 PM

Impressive -- he's ahead of U.S. Grant!


A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 04 - 09:20 PM

599

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 10:10 PM

John Adams                214         218         205         637
Millard Fillmore       368         116         117         601


And by the way - just a few more votes for Bill Clinton and he's ahead of Reagan. I typically vote 1 Fillmore 2 whoever's on the bottom 3 Clinton.

Share this tread on other thread too! If you don't know how to make a "blue clicky" click on the blue clicky at the bottom of the post box. It's easy.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:28 PM

Millard Fillmore "chose to retire". Not exactly. He ran again in 1856. By 1855 he was trying to inveigle Know-Nothings into the Whig party, since he realized they were in fact the only booming party at the time, and signing up many former Whigs. After trying to get Know-Nothing support without actually joining them, he realized it wouldn't work and did join them. Still didn't work for him--he was never elected president.

There's a lot more to the story--regarding the Fugitive Slave Act, election of 1852 (Whigs decided to run Winfield Scott, since they had won with William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor--in fact they only won with generals--- and the third time was not lucky)--- and other topics. I have more of the story in my post of 8 May 2004 10:36 PM, but there's yet more.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:40 PM

So how many generals have been president?


Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         697         4549
William J. Clinton         3393         491         636         4520


Harry Truman                161        269        320        750
Martin Van Buren        464         147         129         740
John Adams                214         218         205         637
Millard Fillmore        370         116         117         603

It'd be great if we could get him up past Truman - that would definately put him in the same group with some of the best and most popular (which can be mutually exclusive).

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:48 PM

605

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:52 PM

Naw, 605 could not have been president - we haven't had that many generals!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 May 04 - 11:54 PM

Millard Fillmore

Religious Affiliation: Unitarian

(From: http://user.ksni.net/~uuquincy/projects/stamps/6millardfillmore.htm) We know nothing of Millard Fillmore's religious life as a child. He and Abigail Powers were married by the Reverend H. H. Smith in Moravia, New York. They lived in East Aurora, New York where Millard practiced law.

Sometime after they moved to Buffalo, they joined the First Unitarian Society (they were actually charter members). The pew rental assignment from the original church shows the pew which belonged to the Fillmore family. The church building, where they worshipped was burned around the year 1870, and most of the church records were burned too.

While Mr. Fillmore was in Washington, D. C. he attended the Unitarian Church. One minister, the Rev. Joseph Henry Allen, a graduate of Harvard Divinity School, was minister here from 1847-1850. Allen's sermons dealt with many of the perplexing problems of the time. Foremost among them was, of course, slavery. Though many preachers were avoiding discussion of this matter, he, like Longfellow and Channing, never hesitated to express himself on the side of freedom. However, his ministry lasted only three years.

It has been written, that the years between 1827-1854 were "Years of Struggle" for the Unitarian Society in Washington, D.C. "It was misunderstood and misrepresented in the community and at times political dissensions threatened its existence. But the families of .... John Adams .... John Quincy Adams....and Millard Fillmore during his presidency stood together in the old church edifice as in a strong fortress. It was important to them and to those who were to come after that a Unitarian Church in the capital of the nation be maintained. And thanks to them, it was."

Abraham Lincoln attended the Unitarian Church in Buffalo with Millard Fillmore on Lincoln's way to the inauguration. Lincoln was Fillmore's overnight guest. Former president (and fellow Unitarian) John Quincy Adams attended the Buffalo church with Fillmore in 1843)

Fillmore showed his interest in education by helping to found the University of Buffalo, now the State University of New York.

Summary of Religious Views:

    Fillmore had no formal religious ties, and indeed had shown relatively little interest in religion, until he joined the Unitarian church in about 1831.

Views on Religion & Politics:

    Fillmore strongly supported the separation of church and state. In the early 1830s, he labored to overturn the New York test law that required all witnesses in New York courts to swear an oath affirming their belief in God and the hereafter. Among other actions, Fillmore wrote a series of public letters opposing the the test law.

Quotations:

    "In my opinion, Church and State should be separate, not only in form, but fact -- religion and politics should not be mingled." -- from a series of campaign speeches, Summer of 1856

I had not the advantage of a classical education and no man should, in my judgement, accept a degree he cannot read. (on why Fillmore declined an honorary degree from Oxford University)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 04 - 06:58 AM

I'm actually beginning to really like this guy!!! Thanks BC!!!

610

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:38 AM

Adams has been passed. Next up Van Buren.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:40 AM

Martin Van Buren   464 147 129 740
Millard Fillmore   406 119 117 642
John Adams         215 218 205 638

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 12:17 PM

Well with the number of fairly liberal religious people around here, I figured it be nice to see that Fillmore was a "stand up" kind of guy. Nice to see that he was serious about his faith too - so many of our recent presidents have been religious just because the were supposed to.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 May 04 - 12:37 PM

Jaysus, Spaw! I Knew I shoulda opened this thread a long time ago. Spent the better part of last night reading it and your gol-danged links..now I am so sleepy I can hardly type!

I did my part...I voted for him for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and I nicely paired him up with his wife. He does sound as though he was a decent fellow. *Warning: shameless plug* If I'd gotten a sixth of the hits he's had, well...paid hits, that is, my book would be going to the printer's today!

Glad to do my part For Fillmore!

Hmmmm, Charles and Myrtle Fillmore founded another very liberal religious society: Unity School of Christianity/Unity Church. I wonder if they were related descendants?

kat

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 20 May 04 - 01:22 PM

kat, if you vote for him more than once at a time, the votes don't register.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 04 - 04:21 PM

in shooting range of van buren

Martin Van Buren 464 147 129 740
Millard Fillmore 435 128 117 680

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:11 PM

"shooting" isn't the best term when talking about presidents.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 10:14 PM

690

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:08 PM

Fillmore is an interesting guy but no role model. He pushed the entire Compromise of 1850 including the Fugitive Slave Law. (It is of course possible that had not the entire Compromise package been passed, the Civil War would have started 11 years earlier, but we'll never know). As president he strongly enforced the Fugitive Slave Law, with its retroactive provisions which threatened blacks long resident in the North, and with its lack of jury trials. By the end of 1851, alleged runaways had been captured in New York, Pennsylvania, Indiana,, Illinois and Massachusetts and returned to the South. If he had heard abolitionist sermons in his church in the 1830's and 1840's, as president he did not let that influence him. His friend John Quincy Adams would have been very disappointed if he had lived to see Fillmore president.


In 1856 he was the candidate of the Know-Nothing party, basically a fraternal order against Catholics (papal plot to topple the Protestant state), particularly against Irish (threatened to bring wage scales down for everybody since they'd take jobs at virtually any pay) and/or against immigrants in general, depending on what would play in a given area. Whether or not he believed all this, in 1856 he was their standard-bearer. There is also evidence that he ascribed an early loss in his career to abolitionists and immigrants.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 20 May 04 - 11:56 PM

Clinton is on top! Someone let Clinton Hammond know!

Name                         First         Second        Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3394         507         658         4559
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         697         4549
George Washington         1467         1508         1355         4330


Harry Truman                 161         270         320         751
Martin Van Buren         465         147         129         741
Millard Fillmore         446         129         118         693



Ron - certainly he wasn't the perfect person. One thing is that the Unitarians who were abolitionists at that time were mainly in New England and not in the other parts of the country. Buffalo in the 1830s was not a place to be an abolitionist and a successful politician.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 10:45 AM

JFK 476
FDR 467
Martin Van Buren 465
Mudcat's Favourite Son - 461

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:03 PM

I'm currently voting for George Washington (to pass Reagan) and John Quincy Adams (to pass George W Bush) as well as Fillmore.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:12 PM

That's a good idea BC!!! Doesn't hurt Millard and GW deserves it!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:13 PM

don't that the fugitive slave act was part of a parcel that also included banning slavery in the district of columbia - admitting a state as a "free" state - establishing various territories as "free" territories and several other abolitionist measures.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 12:17 PM

That's what I figured Spaw - even the guys on the top of the list - Fillmore is so far away from that, that it doesn't matter.

And I'd love to see Dubbya near the bottom of the list.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 21 May 04 - 01:52 PM

I'm trying my dangdest to get Andrew Johnson up above Dubya as well. - but I'll contribute to the put "George Washington on top" campaign. - as long as Millard keeps getting votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:16 PM

only a couple votes to go to pass truman

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:37 PM

Fillmore enforced the Fugitive slave law because it was the law of the land, and a result of the Dred Scott decision, which in some ways blurred the distinction between slave and free states.

If anything, the enforcement of the fugitive slave act actually advanced the abolitionist cause. It forced the so-called free states to face the fact that this country's laws allowed slavery to exist. Citizens in free states could no longer take comfort in thinking that slavery was a regional issue. A slave in America was a slave anywhere they went. If slavey was to be abolished, it would have to be on a national scale.

Whether as Whig or a Know Nothing, I would just like to see a president recognized, that neither of our current ruling duopoly of politcal parties can claim as their own.

I don't think Jefferson or Jackson would fall in line with today's Democrats, not do I think that Lincoln would identify with the current Republican Party.

Our exhalted icons are every bit as flawed as those left in obscurity.

A vote for Fillmore is the act of an iconoclast. Go ahead, smash those idols!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:44 PM

I just put him past Truman (which my dad would have liked. He never forgave Truman for dropping the A-bombs). Around 70 more votes to past Ike. He's the last one that's close. Everyone else will take serious dedication.

Name                        First         Second Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3394         508         659         4561
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         698         4550
George Washington         1471         1510         1371         4352
Thomas Jefferson         611         1821         1478         3910
Abraham Lincoln         545         1047         1116         2708
John F. Kennedy         476         975         1050         2501
Richard Nixon                646         811         767         2224
Franklin D. Roosevelt         468         600         1078         2146
Jimmy Carter                292         1177         560         2029
Theodore Roosevelt         514         681         765         1960
George H.W. Bush         310         528         440         1278
Dwight Eisenhower         93         345         384         822
Millard Fillmore         497         137         120         754
Harry Truman                162         270         321         753

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 04:49 PM

The first time I check and posted on this thread Fillmore had 320 votes. So we have voted for him 434 times!

To past George HW Bush - we need over 500, but obviously we can do it.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 04 - 08:07 PM

You've done a superlative job BC!!! Some of the votes have also come from the folks at the SPEED website. A few of them have taken off and run with this too. I just go back and forth and cheerlead a bit. Click the link in my original post labeled "Dumbshit" and you can see they too have been busy.

Millard is now exactly 60 votes shy of Ike and I am looking forward to how great his name will look in the Top 12!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 04 - 08:25 PM

This is great! I put in the vote that tied Millard with Truman and then Blackcatter pushed him over the top. Hurrah! On we go to devastate Ike!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 May 04 - 09:18 PM

Not just me Spaw, I'm happy to post the numbers, it's useful in this process.

Off to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:43 AM

I know BC...and Mario, Jim, jeff, Ron, and others have been a big help, but it's obvious that your contributions too have been significant!!!

At the moment:

Dwight Eisenhower 93 345 384 822
Millard Fillmore 516 140 124 780

Getting very close.....Just a few more and we're over the hump!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 12:49 PM

There's only 38 to go.

Washington's doing well too.   Only 170+ to go to pass Reagan.

I still got to figure out how many presidents were generals. I'll be back.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 03:36 PM

OK, here we go:

Revolutionary War:
Washington: General & Commander of the Continental Army
Monroe: Continental Army lieutenant colonel

Indian Wars:
Wm. Harrison: ensign in the First Infantry of the Regular Army, rose to vice captaincy
Jackson: General in Creek and Seminole Indian Wars as well as War of 1812
Lincoln: captain in the Black Hawk War

Mexican War:
Taylor: General
Pierce: brigadier general

Civil War:
Grant: General-in-Chief of the Union Forces
Garfield: major general of volunteers.
Hayes: brevet major general
McKinley: Enlisted as a private in the Union Army, mustered out at the end of the war as a brevet major
B. Harrison: Colonel of the 70th Volunteer Infantry
Arthur: Quartermaster General of the State of New York

Spanish-American War:
T. Roosevelt: lieutenant colonel of the Rough Rider Regiment

World War I
Truman: captain in the Field Artillery

World War II
Eisenhower: General, Commander of the Allied Forces
Kennedy: Navy lieutenant & commander of a PT boat
L. Johnson: Navy lieutenant commander
Nixon: Navy lieutenant commander
Ford: Navy lieutenant commander
G.H.W. Bush: Navy lieutenant pilot

Carter: Navy lieutenant & senior officer on one of the first nuclear submarines (1946-1953) Carter is the only president to serve in the military without being involved in combat situations, though he attended the Naval Academy during WWII.

So, 8 president were generals. Interestingly, all recent presidents which served, did so in the Navy (Eisenhower being the last Army man). Of course, our current pretender was in the Air National Guard.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 04 - 05:17 PM

Hey, my votes registered. Voted twice today. Will try a third time in an hour or so. YES! Fillmore for--uh, what's he running for? Anyway, Fillmore for that!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 06:36 PM

good boy brucie.

By the way - If Kerry is elected, he will be the first Army vet since Eisenhower. And one of only two or three that started out as a low-level vounteer.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 06:44 PM

I just put him up to 800. I have an alarm clock that goes off every 15 minutes when I'm on-line (and that's how I do a lot of work) When the alarm goes off - I vote.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 08:31 PM

just voted

803

spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 09:41 PM

808

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 09:41 PM

806

Only 16 behind Ike!!!

VOTE FOR MILLARD NOW!!!

Spaw