BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:06 PM

814

Funny Spaw - I posted a few seconds before you and had seen two more votes.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:12 PM

816 now BC..... I got 'em votin' over at the SPEED site too.....We're going over tonite!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 10:37 PM

I just cast vote #822!!!! The next puts us over!!

THANKS BC and ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:04 PM

Millard Fillmore is now 12th in the voting!!!! 826 to Ike's 822.

Thank you to everyone for the support. Keep voting when you can! It's great to see the name of a virtual unknown up at the top and amongst some of the best known/more recent Presidents!! And once again, we have pulled off a totally ludicrous venture for no good reason but to have some fun!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:09 PM

Oops! I did it again!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 May 04 - 11:42 PM

Kat - that's the nicest association with Britney spears I've ever heard.

Theodore Roosevelt         514         683         767         1964
George H.W. Bush         311         528         440         1279
Millard Fillmore         555         148         125         828
Dwight Eisenhower         93         345         384         822


451 to go to pass Bush - goodness knows if he deserves to pass Ike, he certainly should pass Bush!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:02 AM

Fugitive Slave Law was law in large part because Fillmore pushed hard for it himself, in order to try to satisfy the South. Obviously it's a matter of perspective--as a black, how would you have felt about it?   Also, Dred Scott decision was not under Fillmore.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 01:23 AM

At his time in history, being anti-slavery was not very common in the U.S. As I stated before, even though many Unitarians were abolitionists (such as Robert Shaws family - the Broderick charachter in Glory) the majority of them wer in New England, not our on the "frontier" in Buffalo.

Most people didn't bother to think to much about the issue until the war pushed it down their throats unless they were in one of the border states.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 03:47 PM

Let's not stop voting now! If 40 of us vote 10 more times we'll pass the next president.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 04 - 04:07 PM

436 to pass the next guy.

I just did my duty again.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 04 - 05:56 PM

And again. Three for Willard and one for his wife. Was 445 when I checked.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 May 04 - 06:46 PM

George H.W. Bush         311         528         440         1279
Millard Fillmore         571         150         126         847

432 left

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Hrothgar
Date: 24 May 04 - 06:23 AM

I'm starting to think there is something sick about this - Fillmore has more No 1 votes than Lincoln, Franklin D Roosevelt, and John Adams.

And when are you lot going to see sense and vote for Frances Cleveland?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: jeffp
Date: 24 May 04 - 09:51 AM

This is really being an awful lot of fun! Nice to see so many people playing. I just keep a window open on the site and vote when I remember to.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 24 May 04 - 10:52 AM

I'm trying to get Andrew Johnson above Bush -

the House voted eleven articles of impeachment against him[Johnson]. He was tried by the Senate in the spring of 1868 and acquitted by one vote

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:20 AM

Hrothgar - please note Frances has moved up two slots this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 May 04 - 11:34 AM

The way I look at it is this - ifrst of all who cares (though them coming out with a Fillmore doll would be really funny. I'd probably buy one just to remember this whole thing). And on top of that there are some really bad presidents who deserve to be at the bottom of the list. Our current pretender is fairly low on the list, but I'd like to see him on the bottom, so I'm voting for J. Q. Addams to pass him. And frankly, it's sad that Reagan is #2 (but thanks to some of us he's not #1 any more). And I'm voting for Washingtom to pass him.

Once both those things happen I'll start voting for others, too.

I'm pretty laid back about this, but I'm slowly trying to reorder the list to the way I think it should be.

Now go out and vote damn you!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 24 May 04 - 02:41 PM

A few vote counts - since thins is an election year we might as well get used to hearing them repeatedly...

George Washington needs 106 votes to pass Reagan and clinch the number two spot.

Fillmore is 369 voites out of the number 11 spot - which would bump George H. Bush to 12th.

Dubya is currenlty only 9 votes ahead of John Quincy Adams - and Andrew Johnson is only another 21 behind Adams

Polk, Wilson and Hoover are all within shouting distance of Gerald Ford.

James Buchanan is dead last.

In the First Lady popularity constest Frances Cleveland has moved up several spots recently though still 2137 votes out of first place and 1038 out of placing in the top five.

No results yet posted in the First Pet catagory - though it is rumoured 'socks' is winning by a landslide.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 May 04 - 08:56 PM

Gotta vote for cats around here.

Here's some of the standing for those of you are more visually inclined.

William J. Clinton         3394         508         660         4562
Ronald Reagan                2637         1215         698         4550
George Washington         1496         1549         1413         4458

George H.W. Bush         312         528         441         1281
Millard Fillmore         617         182         130         929

George W. Bush         187         90         67         344
John Quincy Adams         53         128         156         337
Andrew Johnson                50         207         65         322
James Madison                34         95         145         274

Gerald Ford         34         80         127         241
James Polk         63         83         87         233


For those of you curious about Polk:

James K. Polk

Often referred to as the first "dark horse" President, James K. Polk was the last of the Jacksonians to sit in the White House, and the last strong President until the Civil War.

He was born in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, in 1795. Studious and industrious, Polk was graduated with honors in 1818 from the University of North Carolina. As a young lawyer he entered politics, served in the Tennessee legislature, and became a friend of Andrew Jackson.

In the House of Representatives, Polk was a chief lieutenant of Jackson in his Bank war. He served as Speaker between 1835 and 1839, leaving to become Governor of Tennessee.

Until circumstances raised Polk's ambitions, he was a leading contender for the Democratic nomination for Vice President in 1844. Both Martin Van Buren, who had been expected to win the Democratic nomination for President, and Henry Clay, who was to be the Whig nominee, tried to take the expansionist issue out of the campaign by declaring themselves opposed to the annexation of Texas. Polk, however, publicly asserted that Texas should be "re-annexed" and all of Oregon "re-occupied."

The aged Jackson, correctly sensing that the people favored expansion, urged the choice of a candidate committed to the Nation's "Manifest Destiny." This view prevailed at the Democratic Convention, where Polk was nominated on the ninth ballot.

"Who is James K. Polk?" Whigs jeered. Democrats replied Polk was the candidate who stood for expansion. He linked the Texas issue, popular in the South, with the Oregon question, attractive to the North. Polk also favored acquiring California.

Even before he could take office, Congress passed a joint resolution offering annexation to Texas. In so doing they bequeathed Polk the possibility of war with Mexico, which soon severed diplomatic relations.

In his stand on Oregon, the President seemed to be risking war with Great Britain also. The 1844 Democratic platform claimed the entire Oregon area, from the California boundary northward to a latitude of 54'40', the southern boundary of Russian Alaska. Extremists proclaimed "Fifty-four forty or fight," but Polk, aware of diplomatic realities, knew that no course short of war was likely to get all of Oregon. Happily, neither he nor the British wanted a war.

He offered to settle by extending the Canadian boundary, along the 49th parallel, from the Rockies to the Pacific. When the British minister declined, Polk reasserted the American claim to the entire area. Finally, the British settled for the 49th parallel, except for the southern tip of Vancouver Island. The treaty was signed in 1846.

Acquisition of California proved far more difficult. Polk sent an envoy to offer Mexico up to $20,000,000, plus settlement of damage claims owed to Americans, in return for California and the New Mexico country. Since no Mexican leader could cede half his country and still stay in power, Polk's envoy was not received. To bring pressure, Polk sent Gen. Zachary Taylor to the disputed area on the Rio Grande.

To Mexican troops this was aggression, and they attacked Taylor's forces.

Congress declared war and, despite much Northern opposition, supported the military operations. American forces won repeated victories and occupied Mexico City. Finally, in 1848, Mexico ceded New Mexico and California in return for $15,000,000 and American assumption of the damage claims.

President Polk added a vast area to the United States, but its acquisition precipitated a bitter quarrel between the North and the South over expansion of slavery.

Polk, leaving office with his health undermined from hard work, died in June 1849.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:14 AM

Don't stop voting for Millard - but only 98 votes will put George Washington in the #1 spot.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:19 AM

I'm doing that. Gonna put J Q Adams over Bush with my next vote. Then I'll focus on Polk too.

It'll be Washington, Fillmore and Polk.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:28 AM

Lyndon Johnson         131         108         165         404
John Quincy Adams         55         130         160         345
George W. Bush                187         90         67         344
Andrew Johnson                54         207         65         326
James Madison                34         95         146         275
Gerald Ford                34         81         127         242
James Polk                65         83         91         239


YES!

Oh - and why am I voting for Frances Cleveland? She's not the one with the kazoos, so...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 25 May 04 - 09:38 AM

Though I started voting for Frances due to Hrothgar's influence - she is actually a pretty good choice for top "First Lady"

She was born in Buffalo, New York, only child of Emma C. Harmon and Oscar Folsom--who became a law partner of Cleveland's. As a devoted family friend Cleveland bought "Frank" her first baby carriage. As administrator of the Folsom estate after his partner's death, though never her legal guardian, he guided her education with sound advice. When she entered Wells College, he asked Mrs. Folsom's permission to correspond with her, and he kept her room bright with flowers. Though Frank and her mother missed his inauguration in 1885, they visited him at the White House that spring. There affection turned into romance--despite 27 years' difference in age--and there the wedding took place on June 2, 1886.

Cleveland's scholarly sister (Rose Elizabeth Cleveland) her bachelor brother's hostess in 15 months of his first term of office gladly gave up the duties of hostess for her own career in education; and with a bride as First Lady, state entertainments took on a new interest. Mrs. Cleveland's unaffected charm won her immediate popularity. She held two receptions a week--one on Saturday afternoons, when women with jobs were free to come.

After the President's defeat in 1888, the Clevelands lived in New York City, where baby Ruth was born. With his unprecedented re-election, the First Lady returned to the White House as if she had been gone but a day. Through the political storms of this term she always kept her place in public favor. People took keen interest in the birth of Esther at the mansion in 1893, and of Marion in 1895. When the family left the White House, Mrs. Cleveland had become one of the most popular women ever to serve as hostess for the nation

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 10:37 AM

Polk pulverizes Ford!

Quincy bests Dubya!

and the Charming young Mrs. Cleveland continues to gain in popularity.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Scutwerker
Date: 25 May 04 - 11:33 AM

Fillmore had nothing to do with the Dred Scott decision. The Supreme court is independent of the President. The only way a President influences the Surpeme court is their role in nominating judges to fill vacancies. The Dred Scott decision interpreted the Constitution to allow an act like the Fugitive Slave law to be enacted.

Yes, Millard Fillmore carved a political career out of the petty fears and predjudices of his time. his first association was with the Anti-Masonic party, and his only run for the White House was with the American/Know Nothing party, who were pretty much against immigrants and Catholics.

In the light of today's attitudes about race, gender and ethnicity, few eighteenth or nineteenth century men stand up to close scrutiny. Even Mr Lincoln was a believer in the white supemist theories of his day. He just ddn't believe that theory supported the institutution of slavery.

James K. Polk was the hand-picked protege of Andrew Jackson to recapture the White House from the Whigs. Those Whigs had used Jackson's "log cabin" and "hard cider" approach to toss out Martin Van Buren, Jackson's previous protege, in favor of the ill-fated William Henry Harrison.

Polk used jingoistic expansionism concepts like, "Manifest Destiny" and "Fifty-four Forty or Fight" as the slogans to sweep himself into the White House. Britain compromised with Polk's territorial demands and we got Oregon.

Mexico did not capitulate, so we declared war on Mexico and took Texas and California as our prize. The Mexican war was not nation building. It was a land grab, which happened to make Texas safe for slaveowners.

Mexico had already prohibited slavery.

As our standards continue to change, many of our heroes lose their luster. We can choose to honor our past, or live in growing shame of our common heritage.

God bless Millard Fillmore, his friends, and his foes. They, like us were men of their times.

Some future standard will find us all lacking.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 12:33 PM

WHO THE BLEEDIN''ELL IS VOTIN" FOR DUBYA!!!!

please stop.

please.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 01:49 PM

I doubt that it was anyone here - but Johnson would be past him if those 2 votes hadn't shown up.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 May 04 - 04:00 PM

Millard Fillmore now has 1005 votes and is nipping at George H.W. Bush's heels.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 04 - 04:24 PM

A summary of todays events in this great political race:

Frances Cleveland continues to gain popularity - Polk has surpassed Ford - George Washington continues to gain on Ronald Reagan and Clinton.

Jame Buchanan continues in last place.

Still no reults in on the pet popularity contest - a rumour has it the silkworms of John Quincy Adams will be pooling their votes for a landslide sweep of the polls.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 05:03 PM

Jefferson had silkworms too, right? Do I remember correctly that he brought them over from France or was that Adams?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 04 - 05:18 PM

I was going to give you a rundown of presidential pets but better still visit the site:

The Presidential Pet Museum

White House pet listings


By the way - from the site: Fillmore was a founding member and president of the Buffalo chapter of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:15 AM

Name                        First         Second Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3395         508         661         4564
Ronald Reagan                2637         1216         699         4552
George Washington         1513         1568         1441         4522

Thirty votes away!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:01 AM

In the voting action this am George washington stood at 4528 - 36 votes from the top position -

Millard Fillmore was at 1040 - 143 votes behind Bush Sr.

Frances Clevland is in the #20 spot - two up from previous standings.


In action this morning Washington has closed to withn 25 votes of the top position - Fillmore has picked up 13 votes - and Frances continues to climb.

Buchanan is still in dead last - but gaining on his closest rival.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,Blackcatter at work
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:43 AM

God I hate working in the morning . . .

I've been voting back and forth occasionally for those at the bottom of the list. So they've been gaining votes. I'd like to eventually see them all above the current pretender, though that will take some work.

I've been voting for Fillmore, Washingto and smetimes Madison or whoever is at the bottom of the list.

And of course, Frances

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 May 04 - 10:46 AM

BC- Britney who?**bg**

I did it, again.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 11:09 AM

George H.W. Bush 313 528 442 1283
Millard Fillmore 677 237 146 1060


And he's ahead of Dwight David Eisenhower, of all things. Spaw, look what you've accomplished!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:08 PM

Hey......All I was after was to get Millard up there with the big guys, but this is incredible!!!

All praise here to everyone who continues to vote as I do, but the "Point Man" on this has become Blackcatter who continues to do an fantastic job!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:12 PM

Just think in the future they might do a documentary on this - I can see it now...

In the early years of the twenty-first century - a slightly eccentric man decided to encourage his fellows to vote for the Presidential Action figure most desired. And he called these fellows the "Iron Voters"...

whoops! - wrong flashback...

anyway - by my calculations with just a hair over 1900 votes we could have all 18 candidates currently BELOW Dubya ABOVE Dubya.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:21 PM

Well thanks Spaw.

It's fun and it's something that fits with my lifestyle. I'm online nearly the entire day from 10am to 2am. I work most afternoons in another office and don't typically use the Internet there and don't vote from there.

I work from home the rest of the day - managing websites, doing research and communicating with people so I'm online nearly all the time. I have a set up which reminds me about every 15 minutes or so to go and vote. Netscape Navigator has tabs so I can go back and forth. I don't vote every 15 minutes because I'm busy working too, but I've been averaging about 15 votes a day.

It's fun - and it's allowed me to learn about the presidents. Plus - just think about it, they may never know that we're doing this and some day they may have a Fillmore doll - all because of us. I sure as heck will buy one!

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:31 PM

I have two basic objectives in mind when I vote. One is to put Millard Fillmore as far up the list as he can go, and the other is to put Hillary Clinton in top position (and she's not far off!). This will increase the chances of someone manufacturing a Hillary Inflatable Doll or some other kind of Hillary doll.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:33 PM

Little Hawk, of all the inflatable dolls you could command into being, why, oh why, would you want a Hillary Inflatable Doll? Obviosuly not for the usual reasons. So enlighten me...

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:33 PM

...and why would you want it in the top position?

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:40 PM

Because I want to see her on top of Laura Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:43 PM

George Washington has moved into the #2 slot.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:47 PM

#2 is good enough for Washington. Let's keep Bill Clinton in the old number 1 spot, cos he "feels your pain". :-)

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:56 PM

only if he promises to move out of NYS

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:59 PM

Ah Blackcatter, the more I learn about you, the more I purr!

Keep voting!..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:01 PM

Name         First         Second         Third         Total
William J. Clinton         3396         508         661         4565
George Washington         1524         1578         1454         4556
Ronald Reagan                2637         1216         699         4552
Thomas Jefferson         612         1827         1484         3923
Abraham Lincoln         545         1048         1116         2709
John F. Kennedy         476         977         1050         2503
Richard Nixon                652         814         770         2236
Franklin D. Roosevelt         473         602         1079         2154
Jimmy Carter                292         1178         563         2033
Theodore Roosevelt         516         685         771         1972
George H.W. Bush         313         528         442         1283
Millard Fillmore         691         244         148         1083


L.H> - doubt that you'll have much luck keeping Clinton on top - unless you keep voting for him. I'm going to at least occasionally vote for Jefferson now to get him over Reagan but that's 600+ votes.   Fillmore is only 200 away from Bush.

I got to tie Geroge and Ronald, which was nice.

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Amos
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:03 PM

You are SUCH a preevert, Little Hawk!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: NEED HELP--Vote for Millard Fillmore
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 May 04 - 01:19 PM

So which president's deserve to be at the bottom of the list?

My choices are:

Reagan
Bush I
Bush II
Nixon
The guy who was alive for only a few months after getting sick on his innaugaration day (who was that?)
Jackson (Big time Florida Indian killer - he's a personal choice)