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Review: Ned Kelly's Da


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GUEST,nickr90 07 May 04 - 01:50 PM
Bob Bolton 08 May 04 - 10:19 AM
katlaughing 08 May 04 - 11:40 AM
Joybell 08 May 04 - 06:26 PM
JennieG 08 May 04 - 08:46 PM
Joybell 08 May 04 - 09:35 PM
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Subject: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: GUEST,nickr90
Date: 07 May 04 - 01:50 PM

I've just listened to a new album by Joe Giltrap. It features a John Kelly Trilogy. John was the father of Ned and has an interesting story himself. A bit like the hero of Field of Athenry he was transported. But he decided to stay on 'the other side of the world' and settled in Australia. The three songs are excellent.

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Subject: RE: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 08 May 04 - 10:19 AM

G'day nickr90,

John ('Red') Kelly was a pretty well behaved convict - he was given a full release a year or two before the full sentence (unlike many Irish who fought the system and ended up serving two or three times as long as the original sentence. It may well be that John was fortunate to have served his time in Van Diemen's Land (modern Tasmania) under one of the few 'enlightened' British Governors - Sir John Franklin.

As may be, it would be seen as normal that he never returned to Ireland - most didn't ... the aim of transportation was de facto banishment for life .. because very few could ever afford to return! John stayed - and stayed out of trouble. One of the few "true" points in that otherwise very invented True History of the Kelly Gang is the observation that the rebellious strength of his son Ned ... mostly came from his mother Ellen (neé Quinn) ... on which side I seem to be related, through my Great-great-Grandmother (on my mother's side) Jane-Anne Quinn!


Bob Bolton

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Subject: RE: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 May 04 - 11:40 AM

Bob, I always LOVE your postings! I didn't know that about Kelly's dad; did figure from what I've read that he got most of his rapscallion ways from his mother...and you've a drop of th' blood, too!? Kewl!



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Subject: RE: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: Joybell
Date: 08 May 04 - 06:26 PM

Bob, did I read somewhere that Ned's mother was one of the Irish orphans "shipped" here from the poorhouses of Northern Ireland? Earl Gray organised it.
I have an interesting shipping notice, from a barque arriving in Port Phillip Bay, that lists a small number of "Young Irish girls" after the other cargo of mostly sheep skins. One of the girls may have been my Great-Great Grandmother who I know came here alone, from Belfast, at the age of 16. Joy

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Subject: RE: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: JennieG
Date: 08 May 04 - 08:46 PM

Earl Grey (the tea is named after him) also had something to do with organising an emigration scheme to NZ in the 1840's. The emigrants were soldiers who, although still in the army, weren't on active duty - all were from England and Ireland. They signed up for seven years and were given land to farm, the only requirement was that that had to attend church parade every Sunday in uniform and be prepared to fight the Maori if the occasion arose. (It didn't). Families came too, and there were five settlements around the outskirts of Auckland. The men were called Fencibles; my great-great grandfather was one. It was awesome in Howick in NZ to see his photo prominently displayed in the recreated Fencible village.

JennieG - also (as I have recently found out) with convict ancestry! Yay!

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Subject: RE: Review: Ned Kelly's Da
From: Joybell
Date: 08 May 04 - 09:35 PM

Thanks JennyG, I didn't take the time to go read my tea lable. GrEy it is. Congratulations on your convict connection. I have Moondyne Joe on my family tree as a distant cousin - not a close link sadly. Joy

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