Subject: the words to stringybark creek From: browny Date: 05 Jun 00 - 07:41 PM the opening words are a seargent and three constables o mansfield town the song is about ned kelly and a vow for the coppers to hunt them down any assistance is greatly appreciated
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Pene Azul Date: 05 Jun 00 - 07:54 PM If you're looking for "Lonnigan's Widow" it's here. PA |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Helen Date: 05 Jun 00 - 08:08 PM Hi Browny This is in the DT database: LONNIGAN'S WIDOW (Sheil Silverstein) Now four jolly troopers from Mansfield town Set out to hunt the Kelly boys down They searched through the wombat for most of the week And they camped on the banks of the Stringybark Creek It was written for the dreadful flop of a movie called Ned Kelly starring Mick Jagger Helen |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: browny Date: 05 Jun 00 - 10:34 PM to pene azul helen many thanks for a prompt reply. i did not know that version existed. however the version i seek i'm pretty sure starts a seargent and three constables rode into mansfield town the words of lonnigan's widow fit so i assume that this has been rearranged by the bushwackers band once again many thanks browny |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Pene Azul Date: 05 Jun 00 - 10:36 PM I looked on the web for other versions with no luck. I'll give it another shot. PA |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Jun 00 - 12:39 AM There are two versions in Penguin Australian Folksongs Vol 1 - the tunes are slightly different. The first verse as I recall it goes:
A sergeant and three constables rode out from Mansfield town,
Joe Offer may post these before I get the chance. Regards, John |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jun 00 - 01:25 AM G'day, The Silverstein version looks like an attempt to write something just sufficiently different from the original to claim copyright! At home, I have the early John Meredith books in which this would have been published in the 1950s. I will scan in the words when I get home - if someone has not already done so by then. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Lyr Add: STRINGYBARK CREEK From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jun 00 - 04:33 AM G'day again Baz, Here are the words as I scanned them in:
STRINGYBARK CREEK Regards, Bob Bolton
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jun 00 - 04:43 AM G'day yet again, Oh yes, I should have commented that the other version in John Manifold's The Penguin Australian Songbook has an interesting pedigree - it was collected down in Kelly Country in the 1890s from W.J. (Billy) Wye - now being belatedly recognised as an excellent poet in his own right. It may well be that Wye has done a bit of his own polishing to the verses, not an uncommon thing in the Victorian era. It certainly reduces the story to a length that might even be acceptable to modern audiences (possibly not the most modern, raised on television's "fifteen second sound bite"!). Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Roo Date: 06 Jun 00 - 07:12 AM Whatever would Mudcat do without you, Bob? :) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: John in Brisbane Date: 06 Jun 00 - 08:08 AM Well done Bob! I note that Hugh Anderson in The Story of Australian Folksong attributes John Meredith as the collector but only gives the first seven verses. Regards, John |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: browny Date: 06 Jun 00 - 08:37 AM many thanks to pa john bris. bob bolton and every one else i still have my l plates on and really appreciate all the help browny |
Subject: Lyr Add: STRINGYBARK CREEK From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jun 00 - 09:05 AM G'day,
John in Brisbane: I think Hugh might be getting a bit carried away there. John doesn't claim collecting the song ... It is not included in his 1967 Folk Songs of Australia even though it was in several of his earlier books on the Kellys. I think the words came up in researching into the 19th century songbooks (which Nancy Keesing was doing, under the aegis of Douglas Stewart at The Bulletin). Anyway, I had a look at the shortened (W.J. Wye) version and realised it is the set of words I have always used, so I thought I had better post them as well:
STRINGYBARK CREEK Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Jun 00 - 09:13 AM G'da ... mn, HTML ... I miss one lousy arrow bracket and the whole thing is in italics!!! Regard(les), Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Alan of Australia Date: 06 Jun 00 - 09:39 AM Looks OK now Bob! ;o) |
Subject: RE: Lyr words to "the Mero" From: browny Date: 06 Jun 00 - 09:13 PM There is a song I have heard on cd as well as been played live at the "Dog's Bollocks" could be [bollox]in auckland on one of trips over there' some of the words are So we all went off to the Mero say there who is your man it's only johnny forticulture he's a desperate man bang bang plays the unfortunately the words fail By the the group who sing this also own The dog's bollox and are called the THE DOGS BOLLOX. THANKS BROWNY.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Jun 00 - 12:15 AM G'day again, browny, The Irish song The Mero (no relation to abbreviating John Meredith's name, as I did above) is quite widely published in Irish song books ... they might as well print a few thatthey didn't filch of someone else! I'm sure some of the Paddy contingent can scratch up the words for you in short order, but I will look back in a few days and scan them in if necessary. Alan of Aus.: Er, thanks! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Pene Azul Date: 07 Jun 00 - 12:35 AM Here's a thread with lyrics to "The Mero" (and discussion). PA |
Subject: Lyr Add: POOR NED (from Redgum)^^^ From: Max Tone Date: 27 Oct 00 - 07:22 PM Bob, Here's another Ned Kelly song with reference to Stringybark Creek. John Schumann says that Redgum thought they'd written the tune, until they went into the studio to record it, with Trevor Lucas as producer; he went "That's my tune, but you've changed it a good bit", so they gave him the credit! I've no idea which song Trevor used the tune on, and his widow, Liz doesn't know, either. POOR NED --- Redgum
Eighteen-hundred and seventy-eight was the year I remember so well.
CHORUS: Poor Ned,
You know I wrote a letter 'bout Stringybark Creek so they would understand CHORUS
You know they took Ned Kelly and they hung him in the Melbourne gaol. CHORUS X2 Rob^^^ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: the words to stringybark creek From: Bob Bolton Date: 28 Oct 00 - 02:49 AM G'day Rob, I just had a look through my collection and I can't find much written on this song. The earliest reference I have is the 7" ep Ned Kelly 1880 - 1980, 100 Years a Hero, Ned Kelly Centenary Committee, Brickfield Hill, Sydney (BEP001, Bail Records, Sydney South). This has Redgum singing it and the track is credited (Trad. arranged Redgum). I presume that means that Redgum picked up the words indirectly from some other folkie's rendition of a song heard on an earlier record or at some concert ... presumably a song written by, or set to music by Trevor Lucas. However this is all supposition as I never dealt directly with Redgum, since they were based in Melbourne. If I run across Warren Fahey, who released their first LP on his Larrikin label, I will see what he remembers of the song - otherwise, I am in the dark! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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