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Lyr Req: Courting Too Slow

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A-CREEPIN' AND A-CRAWLIN'
FARE YE WELL, LOVELY NANCY
KNIFE IN THE WINDOW
LOVELY NANCY
NANCY SPAIN
ON ONE APRIL MORNING
RAMBLEAWAY
SWEET NANCY
THE BANKS OF THE DON
THE GREEN BRIER SHORE (2)
THE MANTLE SO GREEN
TOO CLOSE TO THE WIND
WILLIAM AND NANCY


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GUEST,lindsay 23 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM
mack/misophist 23 Jun 04 - 10:55 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Jun 04 - 10:59 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Jun 04 - 11:08 AM
The Borchester Echo 23 Jun 04 - 11:26 AM
Malcolm Douglas 23 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM
masato sakurai 23 Jun 04 - 11:50 AM
MoorleyMan 24 Jun 04 - 06:04 PM
Malcolm Douglas 24 Jun 04 - 06:38 PM
Joe Offer 25 Jun 04 - 01:09 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Dec 10 - 08:52 PM
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Subject: courting too slow
From: GUEST,lindsay
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM

Anyone got a copy of the words for the above. Heard a superb version by Johns Bowden and Spiers. CD Bellow.
Thanks.


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: mack/misophist
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:55 AM

Is this the same as On Top of Old Smokey? "I lost my true lover, for courting too slow"?


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:59 AM

Not enough info. Three songs are brought up if you put those three words in Lyrics and Knowledge Search.


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 11:08 AM

The song lyrics are on the Spiers and Boden website (scroll down). A version of the Portmore song?

www.squeezy.fsnet.co.uk/spiers_boden/bellow.html


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Subject: Lyr Add: COURTING TOO SLOW
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 11:26 AM

COURTING TOO SLOW

It was on one Monday morning and oh and it was soon
I bought my pretty Betty a pair of new shoon
A pair of new shoes and slippers also
But I lost my pretty Betty by courting too slow
I lost my pretty Betty by courting too slow.

I bought my pretty Betty a garland of green
And ribbons that you wear so fair to be seen
And rings for her fingers all made of glittering gold
But I lost my pretty Betty by not being bold
I lost my pretty Betty by not being bold.

It was on one Tuesday evening and oh and it was late
I fain would have kissed her but I was too straight
I was thinking how to gain her consent to be true
But I lost my pretty Betty by courting too slow
I lost my pretty Betty by courting too slow.

For in there come a sailor all in his tarry trews
He went into the chamber where my true love was
He kissed her and he clapped her he flattered her so
He fair won the day by my courting too slow
He fair won the day by my courting too slow.

So come all you bold fellows and pray take my advice
And when you go a-courting now don't you be too nice
But you kiss all them pretty girls and you let them for to know
That you don't mean to lose them by courting too slow
That you don't mean to lose them by courting too slow.

(Words: traditional. Jon Boden uses a tune written by Peter Bellamy)


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM

Laws P5, and number 1918 in the Roud Folk Song Index, where most of the examples listed (under various titles) are American. The text here seems to be from Logan's Pedlar's Pack (Edinburgh, 1869), judging by the first line. The song appeared on broadsides, and some -rather shorter than the above- can be seen at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

Courting too slow


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 11:50 AM

a.k.a. WILLIAM AND NANCY (in the DT).


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:04 PM

I've been curious about this one for some time. Spiers and Boden claim they got it from the Bellamy recording, but there are some significant differences in the words between the two. It's not easy to decipher all the words in the Bellamy recording though - for instance, "straight" (verse 3) which sounds like "blate" as Bellamy sings it.... did anyone have better success transcribing the Bellamy by any chance?


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Subject: RE: courting too slow
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:38 PM

If it is indeed from Logan, then it may be a Scottish variant; in which case, "blate" ("bashful, timidly awkward") may very well be right.


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Subject: RE: lyr req: Courting Too Slow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 01:09 PM

The Traditional Ballad Index lists several other versions:

William and Nancy (II) (Courting Too Slow) [Laws P5]

DESCRIPTION: William loves Nancy, but sails away before he has married her. Eventually he learns that she has married another. He sickens with grief. Nancy comes to comfort him. Both eventually die of grief
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1869 (Logan)
KEYWORDS: courting sailor disease marriage infidelity death
FOUND IN: US(Ap,SE,So) Britain Canada(Newf)
REFERENCES (6 citations):
Laws P5, "William and Nancy II (Courting Too Slow)"
Belden, pp. 196-197 "Courting Too Slow" (1 text)
BrownII 130, "Sweet William and Nancy" (1 text, mixed with "Green Grows the Laurel" and other material)
Greenleaf/Mansfield 33, "Nancy from London" (2 texts, 2 tunes)
Logan, pp. 364-365, "Courting Too Slow" (perhaps a comic rewrite of the original version?)
DT 493, WMNANCY

Roud #1918
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "My Bonny Brown Jane" (lyrics)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Lovely Nancy from England
File: LP05

Go to the Ballad Search form
Go to the Ballad Index Instructions

The Ballad Index Copyright 2004 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


Looks like I should split off the "Lovely Nancy" threads from this thread group.


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Subject: Lyr Add: COURTING TOO SLOW (from Bodleian)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 11:59 AM

Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads Firth c.18(196).

COURTING TOO SLOW

It's early one morning I tripp'd o'er yon sands.
I met my love Betsy. I took her by the hand.
Her looks they were surly. She bid me begone.
She was engaged with another young man.

I panted. I trembled. I walked by her side.
I oftentimes asked her if she'd be my bride,
But her looks they were surly. She bid me begone.
She said that I dallied about her too long.

Then a house for pretty Betsy I soon did prepare,
And flourish'd* well with housekeeping care,
And fine promises to her I did show.
She told me I lost her by courting too slow.

I stopp'd at her door till the clock had struck two.
She oftentimes told me those hours I'd rue.
I cast my eyes down in yon valleys below,
Where I lost my poor Betsy by courting too slow.

All young men that a-courting does go,
I'd have you take warning and not court too slow.
You may kiss them and court them and call them also,
And still you may lose them by courting too slow.

["flourish'd" sic; = "furnished"?]


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Subject: Lyr Add: AT THE FOOT OF YONDERS MOUNTAIN
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 01:59 PM

Ollie Gilbert sang a version (Max Hunter Folk Song Collection) that doesn't seem to be mentioned in Mudcat, possibly because of the title which is almost the same as one of the Pretty Saro group (not the same song as "At the Foot of Yonder Mountain," in the DT).

Lyr. Add: AT THE FOOT OF YONDERS MOUNTAIN

At the foot of yonders mountain
Where there runs a clear stream
I once courted a pretty girl
An' Polly was 'er name

When I first saw Polly
I could not obtain
I then taken a wild fly
An' sailed o'er the main.

Where the small birds were singing
An' makin' sad mourn
I then thought of Polly
As I sailed all alone.

I wrote her a letter
To keep 'er on my mind
She wrote me an answer
By bein' so kind.

She wrote, she'd lawfuly married
When this letter did go
Saying, now I've lost pretty Polly
By courtin' too slow.

This young man was taken
On his death bed to die
He sent for this young girl
That once could'a been his bride.

N' as she came near 'im
An' approached his bedside
Saying, here is the girl
That once could'a been my bride.

But now she's married an' left me
And I'll die for her sake
He threw his arms round her
She felt his heart break.

O Willie, you're dead
An' I hope you'll find rest
Polly, she fainted
And died on his breast.

Ollie Gilbert, Arkansas, sung 1969. With Real Audio, in Max Hunter Folk Song Collection. Yonders Mountain


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Subject: Lyr. Add: Young-Man's Complaint
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 08:52 PM

Lyr. Add: The Young-Mans Complaint for The Loss of His Mistris
New tune: I Have Lost My Dear Mistress

Come hearken Apollo my pitiful groan,
Of all loyal lovers that is left here alone;
I'le fight for my true love though Mars be my foe,
For I've lost my dear Mistris by being too Slow.
2
Now lovers are often tormented in mind,
When as their own sweet-hearts proves to them unkind
Though many that hears me the ..... would forgoe
I have lost my dear Mistris by being too Slow.
3
I would I had ne'r seen her, that I had ne'r been,
That I for her love now sorrow have seen;
But my heart it with sorrow my senses or'e gro (?)
That I've lost my dear Mistris by being too Slow.
4
When as we were children we loved most dear,
But now of that love I am never the near;
My heart is so sad and oppressed with woe,
That I've lost my dear Mistris by being too slow.
5
When unto years eider our Youth did it spring,
Then to Complimenting I stright did begin:
Yet faithfulness daunted and shamed me so,
That I lost my dear Mistris by being too Slow.
6
Quoth I my dear honey though I cannot wooe, (?)
Yet slight me not for it for loving of you:
Entirely I love thee, the truth it is so,
Then do not refuse me by being too Slow.
7
At fairs and at markets you know it right well,
That I in your company still did excel:
Neither car'd I for Money nor time it is so,
Then let me not loose you by being too Slow.
8
But she gave me denial and bid me be gone,
For all I lamented and to her made moan,
Saying I would not have you any more to do so,
For you have lost me plainly by being too Slow.

Undoubtedly I have made errors in transcribing the old lettering. The last line of each verse is in more modern lettering and seems to have been added later. Several of these old songs about being too slow; not necessarily related.

Coles, F. (London), and others, between 1674-1679. Bodleian Collection, Don. b.13(109).
The Maidens Answer is on the same sheet.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Courting Too Slow
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 09:45 AM

Q: I'll bet you found that song while searching for I LOST MY LOVE AND I CARE NOT, didn't you? So did I. I even started to transcribe it, but I gave up when I realized it didn't really have a whole lot in common with COURTING TOO SLOW except for the similarity of that one phrase. Actually the first thing that came to mind was ON TOP OF OLD SMOKY which has the line "I lost my true lover from courting too slow."

I'm still mystified by my (our?) failure to find a credible origin for I LOST MY LOVE AND I CARE NOT.


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