B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?

Subject: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:21 PM

According to Nicole Kidman, "men aren't beating a path to my door" -- she attributes this to having a small child and being 37. If "men aren't beating a path to her door", this suggests that the days of men are just about over -- time to throw in the towel -- we are talking Nicole Kidman here -- has the UVB got to them?

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: MMario
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:24 PM

What's her address, again?

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:29 PM

Men, like the males of any mammalian species don't want to raise the offspring of another male.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:32 PM

Could be it's Nicole. She is, after all, a movie star or something (I don't keep up with this sort of stuff) and that can put lots of people off.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:38 PM

I've never been interested in her...

Jessica Alba, on the other hand...

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:52 PM

Who is Nicole Kidman?

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:55 PM

I want to see Nicole naked.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:59 PM

OK, so what is the point of this thread if you're not 37, or a film star, or the mother of a smsll child? And why would any man wonder why a quote from Nicole Kidman meant something had gone wrong with their whole gender?

Kitty (only asking)

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:12 PM

Martin, I know of Nicole Kidman but who is Nicole naked? never heard of her!
Oh and give me Emma Bunton anyday!
Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:14 PM

I would be delighted to beat such a path. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'm leaving in the morning.

I dunno about you guys but she's more than enough -- lovely, funny, graceful, wealthy and no harm raising a tyke. Why not?? Sheesh!!

A

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:17 PM

To GUEST @ 4:29 PM, June 30. What crap!

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:19 PM

Hi Amos, you don't have to leave that early, depending upon when she gave out that statement, the queue will probably be somewhere east of Chicago by now.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:33 PM

Yep...and I'm in line!

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:38 PM

Could be the frozen-face (botox and collagen injections)....

Could be fear of not measuring up to Cruise?

~S~

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:40 PM

Georgiansilver

I would be blessed if I saw Nicole naked.

You on the other hand, might be nervous.

By the way, when you keep saying to be blessed, by whom exactly?

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Backstage Manager(inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 05:43 PM

It leaves me out if Nicole is insisting that her men can match her income.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST,God
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 10:58 PM

That's a really silly question, Martin. Really silly. It's just the sort of question I thought you might ask. In any case, being blessed is a beneficent state which does not really require an answer to the question "by whom?" to further illuminate it.

Oh, and Martin? Be blessed. :-)

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 11:05 PM

Like how many danged men have access to Nicole Kidman? Like very few. This ain't about men, it's about "What has gone wrong with Nicole"...

Bobert

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: paddymac
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:02 AM

My guess is it's the age old problem of where you look. Her success in the entertainment business has the effect, perhaps unintended, of separating her from most mere mortals. Some folks in her slice of society may be able to live otherwise fairly normal lives, but they may be not be the norm. Don't really know, since I've never had those sorts of problems to deal with. Sort of sad, really.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:43 AM

Maybe it's because she looks like a walking skeleton and can't act her way out of a paper bag.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Day_Tripper
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 01:50 AM

Thank you! Does a woman have to starving and skin and bones to be beautiful? She is like a walking skeleton. Why isn't a healthy woman beautiful? What makes a walking skeleton beautiful????

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST,guest, who at 37 was told she was in her pri
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 02:06 AM

what's UVB?

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 02:36 AM

See the film ' Billy Bathgate ' if you want to see Nicole in the nip.
eric

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Mooh
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 06:53 AM

Girls like her are a dime a dozen. Everywhere I go I see them, streamside in hipwaders, mowing the neighbour's grass, jamming in music stores, delivering the morning newspaper, in the front row in church, serving coffee and doughnuts at Tim Horton's...oh, sorry...was I dreaming?

Thin may be in, but fat's where it's at. A girl like that around here would get a bit more red meat and doughnuts, and attention from farm boys.

A buddy has recently broken up with his wife. I'll recommend Nicole.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 11:19 AM

Hi Herga -- the thread was started as a searing indictment of our society, its mores, and the agonies of talented, beautiful women in our time. How can we help her out of her agony?

(chortle)

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:31 PM

I'm not beating a path to Nicole's door 'cause I'm too busy fighting off Kylie and Emma Bunton (and Suzanne Dando's trying to find out where I live, ain't she Sooz?).

J :0)

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:43 PM

It was a drag of a movie, but it gave me some respect for Nicole as an actress. I admire women who are willing to go beyond the glamourous starlet image when they decide which roles to accept:

Nicole as Virginia Woolf

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 01:32 PM

There are certain things happening that indicate something is wrong with a lot of men in today's society, Peter T., but I'm not sure Nicole Kidman's problem is one of them... :-)

She's unquestionably an attractive woman, but I feel no big impulse to "beat a path" to her door. Does this mean something is wrong with me? Naw... I used to feel urges to beat a path to Winona Ryder's door, back in the 90's, but I guess Nicole Kidman just isn't my perfect up of tea, that's all.

Now you and I can at least agree on Dejah Thoris, right? So don't get all het up over my relative unconcern about Nicole Kidman.

I can understand her concern, however. When you simply consider how many men have attempted to woo the glorious Penelope Rutledge, for example...and I believe Penelope is still in her mid-twenties...well, yes, Nicole Kidman at 37 might be starting to feel a little insecure when she compares her situation to that of Penelope Rutledge! (Rumour has it that Penelope is still gallivanting around Monaco and Spain with her Spanish lover, the man with a thousand names...I shall not attempt to repeat them all.)

Now, let's say Nicole called me up and wanted to go out. I would definitely consider it, as much out of curiosity as anything else, but I'd want to go where no one would recognize her.

Amd where would that be????

You see the problem?

It's a difficult one. If it wasn't for her public notoriety I would consider a date or two, just to see what she's really like. Given who she is, the whole thing strikes me as just too damned complicated, though.

Same deal with Winona, sadly.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:12 PM

I read somewhere that someone was finally going to do a John Carter of Mars movie (hard to believe it has taken 70 years) -- god only knows who they could get to play Deja Thoris (swoon).

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:30 PM

Deja Thoris? Hmmm... Julia Roberts! -- with the absolutely beautiful smile...... hmmmm.. dunno if it would be very good for the national consciousness, though :>)) I'd go see it for sure!

A

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:38 PM

My wife said I couldn't call her. :(

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:43 PM

God, no! That woman has a smile that is at least an inch too wide. It's unnatural. I would be horrified if they chose her to portray Dejah Thoris. But I must say I'm at a loss to say who would be good for the part. Maybe Angelina Jolie or Kiera Knightly, from Pirates of the Caribbean.

Y'know, I liked Julia Roberts a lot in her first notable film, "Mystic Pizza", but she started looking kind of odd to me as she got older...

That other actress who was in "Thelma and Louise" is a very fine looking woman...can't recall her name...but I don't think she's right for Dejah Thoris.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:53 PM

Saw Nicole Kidman pretty close to naked in a movie recently (Eyes Wide Shut, 1999). Bikini panties and wee little bra. Very nice. Slender, long-leggedy beastie, but nowhere near a "walking skeleton." Nice abs (among other things). Started out with ambitions of becoming a ballerina, then took up acting.

As far as her acting is concerned, she generally manages to look different in different roles, and she plays the character she's portraying, she doesn't just play Nicole Kidman playing the character she's portraying (if you can follow that). That's something I tend to associate more with British actors (able to play a broad range of characters—see Judi Dench) than with Americans (usually keeping to a narrow range; e.g. John Wayne never played anyone but John Wayne), although within recent years, American actors are getting better at this.

Nicole Kidman is a lovely and talented woman, but I'm already married to a lovely and talented woman, thank you.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:53 PM

Ummm, Ron...I was talking about Julia Roberts, not your wife. Just thought I'd better "make that totally clear" (to quote Richard Nixon).

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 04:57 PM

Little Hawk:

In your rush to judgement, perhaps you have overlooked another possibility -- you may be an inch or so too narrow?

A

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM

I didn't rush to that judgement, Amos. I made it a long, long time ago after lengthy consideration, back around the time of "Pretty Woman", one of the creepiest films I have ever gotten queasy watching. That wasn't Julia's fault, though...it was just a really sick movie, that's all.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 12:46 AM

I think lots of men like Julia because of her extra wide mouth - they're thinking of what they might persuade her to put in it.

And back to the subject, if you think Nicole is a fine actress, you probably thought Moulin Rouge was a great piece of cinema.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:56 AM

Pretty close to naked, Don? Did I see a different version in which she was completely starkers? Or is it some trans-atlantic TV morality thing?:-) I always thought eyes wide shut was the Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise body show but I never made it past the halfway point. Who done it btw?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: el ted
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 06:22 AM

Britney. Woof!

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 06:27 AM

37, hmmm the only men she will see are meter readers and seniors walking the dog. She's both washed up and dried out ... lol

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 06:44 AM

GUEST - Nicole Kidman's acting ability.

I first saw her a number of years ago in a TV film called Bangcock Hilton, with Denholme Elliot. She was an unknown Australian actress and she would have run away with the film if Elliot had not been the consummate performer that he was.

At that time Nicole was an attractive young lady but without the glamour that she has picked up over the past few years. It was clear, however, from her performance that she would have a real future as an actress and she has showed this promise in the diversity of the various roles that she has taken on.

I think that the problem that she has with finding a partner does stem from her fame and glamorous image. this seems to intimidate a lot of men who might otherwise be inclined to approach her. That would leave a relatively small pool of potential partners with sufficient staus and wealth who might feel comfortable making an advance. Is she too much competition for most men?

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 07:22 AM

Agree about the intimidation factor, Jacqui. Quite common, I understand. I recently heard that Elaine Page has been voicing similar disappointment to Nicole's and she was convinced that her "stardom" had intimidated potential suitors.

And you know - there is a dearth of good looking women knocking on my door too. It could be that the wife standing there with a shotgun has something to do with it though.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 07:23 AM

...I'd like to think...

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 10:11 AM

Some of us prefer women with curves in places where models don't even have places...

And while 37 is a little young, it has always been acceptable for older men to date younger women. Perhaps she is suffering now from the fact that earlier in life, she could depend on her looks, and did not have to learn to actually contribute to building a relationship. Not that I have any firsthand knowledge of her relationships...

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: gnomad
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 10:15 AM

Anyone else wonder why, in these liberated times, she feels it is incumbent upon the man to do the path-beating?

If she chose to walk up to my door (there is a path already) I would open up with pleasure, but I am certainly not going to cross the Atlantic on the off chance that I could talk my way past her security guards, p.a.s, and no doubt numerous other hangers on.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 10:35 AM

jacqui, I agree that she is an extremely talented actress. I saw her in Bangkok Hilton, and also in a mini series about the Vietnam war. She is an extremely talented actress.
She is also very smart, both her parents are professionals. Her mother is a feminist and brought up both daughters participating with her in her political activities. her father is a respected psychologist in Australia and has written a number of books, including one on Jung that is one of the best books on Jung I ever read.

she has a lot to offer any intelligent man.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 10:39 AM

I quizzed Chongo about this. He said, "I wouldn't kick her out of my treehouse." He always makes smart cracks like that. He agrees that most human males leave a lot to be desired these days.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: el ted
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 10:43 AM

I would certainly invite her to take tea on my lawn. 37years is a bit old for me though.

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 01:19 PM

Dunno, Dave. Here's what the Internet Movie DataBase has on Eyes Wide Shut. Weird movie. There is a scene later on in the movie where the Tom Cruise character winds up at a masked ball and sex orgy (lots of people wearing masks and little else), but the scene I was referring to occurs early in the movie when the Cruise and Kidman characters (married) are in the bedroom sitting around in their undies and confessing to each other that they've had fantasies about other people. That sets the tone of the rest of the movie, and leads the Cruise character (pissed off at his wife's confession) to get involved in some pretty sick stuff. Good acting, but definitely not my favorite movie.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: B.S.: What Has Gone Wrong With Men?
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 02:29 PM

Boy, I nearly died watching that movie, it was so boring, one of the truly most boring films I have ever seen (even gave Antonioni's later films a run for their money).

yours,

Peter T.