BS: What Do Women Want???...

Subject: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Jul 04 - 11:16 PM

Okay, this ain't about me but I got this friend...

But, gol danged!...

So, ahhhh, I, I mean my friend's wife comes to him last weekend and says "Either find a place fir us to go fir a week where we won't have any work to do or yer gonna end up where my ex-husband is..."

Like, that's a heck of a way to say, "Honey, we need to get away."

But that ain't my, I mean my friend's question. Like my friend and his wife get home after a nice mellow week in a cabin way back in the Wes Ginny mountains and my wife, I mean his wife gets all mad at him 'cause he couldn't read her mind and go out and water the veegie garden.

I mean like what gives? Men is supposed to be like mind readers, 'er what? Hey, if the P-Vine, I mean my friend's wife, wants me to water the veggie garden why not just ask me, 'er whoever, to water the danged garden. But, no! Has to turn into a danged "situation"...

So what gives?

Why don't womenz come out and ask what they want?

And why do womenz expect men to not only guess what they is thinking, but also go out and do it?

And, while we're at it, when do men get to win one? Hey, Iz ain't asking to win a bunch. One would do just fine, thank you....

That's my question...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: MAG
Date: 30 Jul 04 - 11:40 PM

King Arthur found out the answer to your question centuries ago, Bobert. Freud would not have needed to ask it again if he had been paying attention.

Women (we) want some control over our own lives.

In other words, how many times had the sweet woman pointed out that the garden was croaking???

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Jul 04 - 11:44 PM

They would really like men to REALLY be interested when they ask this question.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 04 - 11:57 PM

Fools go where angels fear to tread. That is my contribution to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,frustrated woman
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:59 AM

If you've been away for a week, OF COURSE the veggie garden needs watering. "Your friend" might have seen this for himself if he had looked. Grrrrr!

Maybe we would like - just once - for men to notice what needs doing without us having to take all the responsibility for noticing it and having to point it out to them. Our kids are grown up. We don't want to be mummy any more.

Okay, rant over. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:04 AM

So where did her ex-husband end up?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: mg
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:38 AM

I'd say it depends on whether the vegetable garden is necessary to your economic survival or is a mutually agreeable joint hobby or is her baby and you are dragged into it. If #1, you do have a responsibility for it unless you have both agreed that you will do more of the wage earning and she will do more of the gardening. If #2 you have less responsibility but probably should have noticed. If it is her thing and she just wants you to help out, and you are otherwise contributing fully to the family enterprise, either financially or domestically, then I can't see what you did wrong. You were willing to help when asked but since it is not your thing (if that is the case) and you are agreeable to it but not totally enthused, then she is being unreasonable. If the family is going to suffer without both of you constantly watching the water situation of the garden, then you screwed up.

mg

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Blackcatter
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:01 AM

They can create life in their bellies. They think that makes them special. Good thing we men have been controlling their lives for over 4000 years!

I know, I'm ducking and running for cover.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Nerd
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:28 AM

MAG's interpretation of what Arthur found out is very new-agey. "Some control over our own lives" is not how any of the Arthurian ladies expresses it. What women want in the Arthurian texts is to rule over men, to control them and their property.

In The Wedding of Gawain and Dame Ragnell, what Arthur found out was literally that a woman wanted "sovereignty over all of a man's body and goods"; "To have the rule over the manliest men." Same in the Wife of Bath's Tale, essentially.

Sound familiar, Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:53 AM

If one of your male drinking buddies - a good friend - said "I'm going away for a week - please feed my hunting dog" - you'd try to remember.

So you forget these things because your wife is not a good friend? !!!

Simple, set your mobile phone reminders, put notes up in obvious places, or in PC reminder calendar, or ask your drinking buddies or your workmates to remind you.

Wife gets home, is deluded that you remembered what she asked you because she thinks you really treat her as a friend and care to remember what she says to you. Wife may then be inspired to do nice things for you! It's purely selfish, I know mate! But isn't that what we guys are?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:58 AM

Oh, and she MUST have asked you - they always do mate.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:59 AM

Might have been better to ask what women don't want...could have been a shorter thread....Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:17 AM

Man- whats the matter darling ?
Woman- well if you don't know I'm not telling you!!!

nuff said.
eric

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: C-flat
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 05:05 AM

Bobert, you're looking for answers that don't exist. The apparent air of discontent displayed by your friends' partner has nothing to do with how wet or dry their vegetables are. In all likelyhood she has no idea what she wants or why she's so irritable but feels the need to demonstrate her discomfort by taking it out of the man in her life.
It has taken me three marriages to arrive at one certainty with regard to the female species;

SHOES!


That's it!


SHOES!


A woman has many wants and needs but none as great as her need for SHOES.
Armed with this vital piece of information you can safely navigate through the perils of a relationship in the sure and certain knowledge that however tough things get you can always take her shopping for SHOES and that everything will be made alright.

If I had my time over I would have bought a shoe shop.

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 08:54 AM

mary g: #3! Not only is the veggie garden her hobby but when you figgure up what we get out of it in the way of food compared to what it costs to have it, we're way behind...

Fencing and post; $500.00
Compost tumbler: %500.00
Soil ammendments per year: $75.00
Orgainic pest control stuff: $50.00 per year
Tiller: $300.00

Total: $1425.00

Other information: Percentage of $$$'s I, I mean my friend earns: 90%
                   Percentage of $$$'s his wife earns 10%

Other, other information: Average yield per year $200 in veggies.

C-Flat,

My friend's wife has a closet full of' the danged things now, ain't one of them prissy types no ways... But, hey, my friend is listenin'...

Nerd,

I think yer on thr right trail, here...

CarolC,

Don't ask... But it ain't purdy...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 10:15 AM

I can't answer for all womenkind but as for me - I just want someone to think that I am the most special person on the face of the earth. Presumably then he will water the garden without a reminder.

Now you know why I am single.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 10:35 AM

Serves you glad.
eric

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: MAG
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 10:50 AM

Nerd: the exact word was "sovreinty." (?sp)

ie, as much right to call the shots as men. Don't try to argue THAT story with me.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 10:52 AM

I've always hated 'well if you don't know I'm not telling' line. If you ask me what's wrong, I'll tell you. Don't blame me if you get all eggy about the answer.

Neither will I keep telling you. If I've told you already then there shouldn't be any need to keep repeating it.

And as for what this woman wants.... £4million on the lottery, a scout hut in Hastings and a bar of chocolate a week. I figure with the £4mil, I can lure Sean Connery and Hugh Jackman over for a week each.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:06 PM

My guess, Carol, is that her ex-husband ended up in Schenectady. There is no worse fate.

To think that any particular woman is the "most special person on the face of the Earth" requires a temporary suspension of sanity. :-) And that, of course, is exactly what happens when one falls in love.

What if one fell in love with everyone simultaneously? That would be a whole different dynamic, and it could be quite interesting, but it falls outside the parameters of conventional marriage.

Anyway, I avoided this common conundrum to some extent by never getting married, but I did have girlfriends and, yes, these problems did come up from time to time. They just weren't permanent, that's all. If they had been, I would probably be in Schenectady.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:06 PM

cain't generalize nohow, women are not all the same..but almost everyone comes to something like this question eventually, and the only way to deal with it is to find out what YOUR woman really wants...and whether you are willing to offer her some reasonable % of it.

Note...not all MEN are the same either. Some are more ...ummm...'sensitive' to women's wants than others. It helps if you even sound like you are looking honestly at her concerns, rather than just looking offended and/or confused.

I dunno, it may be the real question is "why are you doing THAT*, when you haven't weeded the garden?"

(*playing guitar, typing on Mudcat again...and again...and again...*grin*)

Was there any previous agreement about who would weed...and how much? How many other issues besides the garden surface regulatly, and is the garden just a cover for general upset with life? If so, maybe this batch of 'experts' here at Mudcat is not the place to be askin'.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: kendall
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:12 PM

10 to 1 it wasn't really about the friggin' garden.
Question, why is it vital that HE water the garden? Is she in a cheelchair?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:27 PM

when one partner starts ordering another one around, its not a relationship. Its a hierarchy.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,first things first
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM

what she really wants is an orgasm.

Install an automatic sprinkler system in the garden and spend some time with her!

drip lines are wonderful time savers. is her "wasband" gone? or dead?

i hope you had a wonderful time on your vacation.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 12:45 PM

Oh, man. Not Schenectady. Watch out, Bobert! Don't let her send you to Schenectady!

Seriously though, all of those kinds of situations happen in relationships, and that kind of behavior is not gender specific. It's people specific. People have behavior patterns that are not always constructive, and that they usually aren't even aware of (including your friend). And those patterns, when they intrude into a relationship (as they will, if they aren't corrected), cause friction, as you have shown us yourself in the story of your friend.

It has nothing whatever to do with what women want and everything to do with the specific, counterproductive behavior patterns that your friend's wife brought into the relationship. The only way your friend can change the dynamic of the relationship with regard to those patterns, is to respond in a way that doesn't reinforce the behavior. Your friend needs to break the pattern by responding in a new way that his wife doesn't already have a programmed response to, that is emotionally neutral rather than emotionally charged, and most importantly, that doesn't reinforce the behavior.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:05 PM

Now that sounds sensible to me.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,pedeecee
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:31 PM

You have to go back to Bobert's initial thread and see what the situation was when the wife got mad. They had just arrived home from vacation. What was she doing -- unpacking? Preparing dinner? Doing other chores? And what was he doing? Chores? Scratching his belly and saying ahhhh, good to be home? Drinking beer? Hitting the hammock?

The other aspect of the situation involves the money thing -- he with 90%, her with 10%. It's unfortunate, it stinks, but it's reality that money calls the shots. If you look at her garden in terms of cost and profit only, why bother watering it? Why should Mr. big 90% water it?

Also, notice another poster suggests "take her" shopping for shoes. Money thing again -- he gets to "take" her shopping. I don't know one woman who would not prefer to have the financial autonomy to make her own decisions on whether or when to shop shoes or anything else.

One final, rather unpleasant note. Men and women seem to see things differently -- selectively? Women see what needs to be done, IMO; men don't, and teenagers don't.

End of lecture.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,SueB
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 01:52 PM

Oh for goodness sake, Bobert, get your self-absorbed head out of your friend's butt - wait a minute, I mean get your friend's self absorbed head out of your butt and - wait, no, that wasn't right either...

Look, you and your friend both, if you're typical middle-aged men you're probably walking around treating this woman like she's some kind of stage prop in the drama that is Your Life. (And the older men are, the worse they are - an example would be Kendall, bless his heart, getting all indignant when the grocery store checkout clerk didn't fall to her knees gasping with laughter at his tired old joke about the price of groceries that she's heard several hundred times before...)

Bobert, dear, I love you to pieces, but if your wife is acting like something is wrong, and you don't know what it is, you probably haven't been paying attention.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Nerd
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM

MAG,

I'm afraid I must argue THAT story with you. Where you go wrong is that the answer was not one word. It was encompassed in a number of passages, which make it clear that it is the sovereignty over men that is desired.

The two relevant passages of the most complete text, The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnell are lines 467-472:

I say no more, but above all things
women desire sovereignty, for that is their liking
and that is their most desire
to have the rule of the manliest men
and then are they well. Thus they me did ken   [ie teach]
to rule thee, Gromer Sir.


and lines 697-698:

and also he should give me the sovereignty
of all his body and goods, surely

(The translations from Middle English above are mine, but I used modern cognates so the changes are primarily to the spelling of words).

In the ballad version (Child 31), she is said only to want "her will," which is an ironic "trick answer" ("her will" merely means "what she wants," so the riddle becomes a tautology, "she wants what she wants.") It is often a characteristic in stories containing "neck riddles" (a riddle which you must answer or be killed) that the answer is some kind of trick.

Were you thinking of other versions of this tale, MAG?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Nerd
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 02:58 PM

Oh, and Chaucer's version:

"Women desire to have sovereignty
over her husband as well as her lover
and for to be in mastery above him."

(Lines 1038-1040, Wife of Bath's Tale)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Deda
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:38 PM

Actually, any woman who has ever had sovereignty over a man will tell you that it is a horrible position to be in. That's true regardless of gender. What if someone else says to you, "You are now in charge of me entirely -- all my dreams and aspirations, my actions, my will, my ambitions are in your hands." Well, YUCH. Gag me with a scepter! What kind of a partnership is THAT? Give me a free-standing, free-thinking, separate individual any time!

Now, having all control over the guy's worldly goods -- well, that's a different proposition entirely!!

Bobert, here's a script for you. Translate it into your own native Wess Ginny language and memorize it:
"Oh, sweetheart! I am really sorry that I didn't water that garden for you. You were probably counting on me to do that, and now the veggies are all dry. What a bummer for you! You must have felt (frustrated / irritated / angry -- pick one or insert your own). I know how much you love that garden. Now, is it taken care of, because I can run out right now (or in 20 minutes, whatever) and do it. And let's figure out a good reminder system so that I don't forget next time."

Even in translation, this should not take more than 5 minutes to deliver. I offer you this peace-making speech for free -- and it comes with an iron-clad, money-back guarantee that   it WILL WORK -- 100%.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:49 PM

"What do women want"? A famous historical question that men have asked each other through the ages. Freud is the most famed for the query, although many other well-known men have discussed that question for centuries.

Let's have a good look at the question. There are several implications in it, i.e., that it's men asking the question, that whatever it is that "they" (other) want, "we" (the norm) will give it to them if we agree with it, that women, being generic, all must want the same thing. There is a sense of frustration in the question, i.e., we don't understand them, what the hell do they want?

Although Freud was the most famous for asking this question, it has been discussed by men in groups for centuries; it has been the subject of cartoons, jokes, studies, theories, etc. etc. etc. It has been resolved by recourse to the womb (Victorian era, male doctors), the "burden" of education on women, the natural fragility, both physical and mental, of women, and the tendency to hysteria (Greek hyster- meaning womb).

No one has ever asked "what do men want"? For one thing, it has never been necessary, and for another, no one would lump all men into one set of wants, identical for all.

The one common aspect of this question, if I'm not mistaken, is that despite the long centuries it's been asked, despite the wise minds that have asked it, despite the discussions invoked, not once has this question been addressed to women.

Idiocy.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:22 PM

Sue, I did not get indignant, I simply noted that there was no reaction at all. I might well have said "You knickers are on fire." These robots that work in grocery stores, the young ones, seem to have no sense of humor and they don't appreciate anyone trying to cheer them up.Maybe I should act like other men my age and just give them grief.

Peedeecee, actually, women see things that THEY WANT DONE. You hear it all the time, "You need to pick up your room" or "You need to put your socks in the hamper". What they really mean is "I need you to".. etc.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 04:41 PM

Women want excitement; they love to gamble, but rather than gamble with money, they place their stakes on marriage partners.

And like all gamblers, they want to win, and if possible to win BIG.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: freightdawg
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 05:47 PM

Mrs. Freightdawg: Honey, can you take out the trash?


Freightdawg:(watching football game on tv) Sure.



(hours go by)



Mrs. Freightdawg: Hey, I thought you said you would take out the trash like I asked you to!


Freightdawg: Nope, you asked if I could take out the trash. It was a question about my physical ability to perform a simple task. I responded in the affirmative, stating that, yes, I was physically able to take out the trash. You never asked me if I would take out the trash. There is a significant difference.


Freightdawg is last seen rummaging in the trash can for his tv remote control.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Deckman
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:09 PM

ANY man that would respond to this thread would have to be a complete IDIOT. So ... I'm not going to respond to this thread. I mean, after all, what do you take me for ... a complete idiot? CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:09 PM

Things that women "want" done are usually those that "need" doing, but then it's a matter of perspective. I'm sure some bachelors think their apartments are just fine they way they are! ;)

I think women today are getting what they want, at least in the industrialized world. When I was a kid, women had no or few choices --teacher, nurse, secretary, or little jobettes to hold them till they married. No credit for what they did. Little money for what they did. Worked harder than hell as housewives, and people viewed them as being "supported" by their husbands.

Like all people, women wanted choices, and we now have some.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Jul 04 - 06:56 PM

From a personal point of view I want to be treated as an individual rather than as a woman. I want, and have, a man who doesn't make me feel that I need to be 'looked after', provided for or treated like an alien from another planet. For me a partnership has to be on the basis that we both bring different things to the mix and acknowledge that each of us is able to contribute to that mix in their own way.

The key is communication. So many people seem to be unable to talk about what ails them in their relationship to the person that matters most - their partner. Maybe if they were a little less afraid of what an honest discussion of the issues involved might do to the relationship and a little more concerned with what NOT discussing those issues might lead to life might be just a little more relaxed.

And Sue - believe me - Kendall is one of the few men I have met who DOESN'T treat a woman like a stage prop.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:23 AM

No one gnereally has to ask we women to do what needs doing.

It'd be nice not to have to ask men to do what needs doing.

It'd be even nicer if one did not have to repeat oneself 2-3 times when we do ask, as we've been told "all you have to do is ask!"

Most importantly LISTEN!! Both o'youse!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM

jacqui.c...getting to like you! You show a pretty good grasp on the man/woman thing but don't get too bigheaded, I don't always agree with what you say. Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:44 AM

GS - I don't think I've got much chance of becoming big headed - there are so many very clever people on Mudcat who keep me well grounded.

As my man says - nobody's opinions are wrong, even if you don't agree with them. We all have our own individual point of view, based on life experience and, since that is always different for everyone, we are all going to have a different take on some things!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM

Seem to remember saying that myself on another thread. Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 12:31 PM

what does your friend want, Bobert? let her know -

to be spoken to with courtesy, as I'm sure you..r friend speaks to his woman.

to be treated with respect.

if your friend's gal likes giving orders - tell her to join the army.

anti female? nup, its just that Ive been on the receiving end of the orders, and its a pain. democracy starts in the house. the personal is political. all two people need to make it work are interestd in common, similar intellect, and courtesy.

neither has the right to assume the mantle of Colonel.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 05:32 PM

Well, gol danged... Maybe too much advice fir this Wes Ginny to process... Well, I'm sure my friend knows exactly what needs to be done and I'll be the first to say that he works his boney butt off 'round the house and in the gardens and vaccums and dusts an plays some fine music fir his wife on the rear deck in the evening. He's even good lookin', 'er that's what my friend's wife says... Heck, don't don nuthin' fir me...

But now really... Here's how I, I mean my friend, reacted and, sure it was prolly all wrong and all but he said "Hey, I ain't no mind reader. All ya gotta do is ask but don't go gettin' mad 'cause I didn't guess what you wanted done and therefore didn't do it." Well, somethin' like that. Bad answer? Hunh? Not sensitive enuff? Hmmmmm? Hey, when ya been away fri a danged 4 days and ya get home there's always lots of stuff to do. Like unpack the car, which I, I mean my friend still had to do during this little altercation. Like get the danged cricks out of the bad knee from driving all day. Like go to the bathroom, fir gosh sakes... But, no, not home a minute and this...???...

Well, I reckon the "mind reader" thing musta worked okay 'cause my frined and my wife, I mean me and my friend's wife are getting along much better now...

But I know this is gonna come up again so I want to be better prepared next time 'round...

And other that warm and fuzzy sensitive stuff there must be some common nugget of truth that you womenz ain't tellin' 'cause I know fir a fact that you all have a vast female conspiracy aginst us poor ignorant men and are all swored to secrecy...

That's the way I heared it anyway...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,casual observer
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 05:48 PM

Meow! Thwaaaaaacccccckkkkk!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: mg
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 08:32 PM

Sit her down and tell her that you want her to be happy and you want to be supportive but you didn't appreciate being nagged and/or threatened. You have a right to go to the bathroom, and you have a right to sufficient rest for your needs, which might not be the same as her needs. You have a right to hire work out if it is too much for either of you. I'll say something, if you used that fake accent on me more than once...oh I shouldn't say fake..but if it is fake and you used it it would drive me up the wall.

If you are pulling your weight, and it certainly sounds like you are, you might have just married a demanding, unreasonable woman. There are plenty. People who have the choice, stay clear or marry with full knowledge of what the future could be.

And men and women are thought to have different responses to coming home, for evolutionary reasons. Men really want to relax once they hit the door and make sure everything is safe (and drop all keys, packages etc. at the door so arms are free to fight any intruders). Women might see the home as their base of operations, as opposed to the wild world, regardless of how engaged they are outside the home.
There is a whole book I read on this subject. Can't remember what it was though.

mg

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:34 PM

well, Bobert, just remember that your wife...uh I mena your friend's wife is always right....if you keep that in mind you, uh I mena your friend, will be fine.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 09:54 PM

What do women want? Aha! A subject dear to my heart. My years in the entertainment business have taught me everything there is to know about this, but should I share ALL my secrets? Perhaps not...

I'll say this much. Women want to be appreciated. They want to feel beautiful, valuable, and desirable. They want to be that one special person that you care for above all others, the one you dream of, the one you can't imagine being without, the one for whom you would swim across a raging river full of ravening crocodiles.

Dramatic, isn't it? (grin) The trick is...you either actually feel this way (which can happen)...or...you get darned good at faking it! It would be safe to say that I have done both of the above, but I am not going to specify the instances or tally up the totals. No siree.

Why? Because another thing women want is a man who is a bit enigmatic, a bit mysterious, yet willing to share his feelings at the same time. If you can't really BE sincere, by golly ACT sincere! Go for the Oscar. It's showtime!

If caught in a flagrant bit of dishonesty or unfaithfullness...deny! If that doesn't work apologize and beg for forgiveness. Women love a good, heartfelt apology. If even that doesn't work, shrug and grin...there's a lot more fish in the sea.

Women also want a man who demonstrates independence and self-confidence, not to mention an inclination to spend money freely and have a good time. Women detest a penny-pincher, and who doesn't?

So my advice is, find a way to earn big bucks, dress well, entertain lavishly, travel to exotic locations, have fun, and always keep her guessing just a bit.

Making love in a private plane that's flying on autopilot works great too. I got that one from Howard Hughes.

Drives 'em wild. Is it all worth it? You bet it is! What's better at the end of a long life...a bank account full of unspent money or a hall full of hundreds of weeping ex-lovers who remember you as the best time they ever had? No contest.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:03 PM

Well, gol danged... Makin' love in a private plane with Howard Hughes? Iz imprssed. Were his finger nails really like 2 inches long?

But seriously, I took my wife up in a Cesna and we got up to about, ahhhh, a hunner feet and she absolutely freeked out. Had to circle and put it down and get the poor girl outtta it... Too bad 'cause I reckon this is gonna make it tough to talk her into a zesty session in the back seat of one with the auto-pilot on....

Ahhhh, sorry, mary G, 'bout the accent but, hey, if you were to meet me you'd prolly not unnerstand nuthin' I was sayin'... Oh sure, I got another hat and can put it on and sound like other folks but when I don't gotta do it I sure nuff don't... My friend's wife like my accent and, tell ya the truth, when I get it going... I drives the womenz crazy. I mean, sho nuff crazy... Ain't no fake... Fake is what I do when I gotta go play "smart hillbilly" which is kinda like when others fake a British accent to sound intellegenter... Maybe its good that we didn't hook up 'er we'd be'd deevorcerated a long time ago....

Yo, Shat.... You really do that wid the auto pilot on???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What Do Women Want???...
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 12:01 AM

Well...yes. But not with Howard Hughes, needless to say. We have never met. Too bad. I could have given him some good advice on personal grooming and combatting depression. I have real confidence in technology, but you have to get a woman who either feels the same way or is turned on by high risk situations. Some are. Some aren't. I didn't do all those Star Trek shows for nothing. If you've locked lips with a Romulan princess while plummeting toward the rocky surface of a hostile planet in an out-of-control shuttlecraft that is disintegrating around you piece by piece amid sparking electrical explosions...this sort of thing is child's play.