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BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?

Joe Offer 20 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM
kendall 20 Aug 04 - 12:52 PM
Ellenpoly 20 Aug 04 - 12:53 PM
GUEST 20 Aug 04 - 12:57 PM
GUEST,Treehouse 20 Aug 04 - 01:03 PM
GUEST 20 Aug 04 - 01:06 PM
Amos 20 Aug 04 - 01:56 PM
DougR 20 Aug 04 - 01:57 PM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 04 - 01:59 PM
Stilly River Sage 20 Aug 04 - 02:05 PM
Amos 20 Aug 04 - 02:11 PM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 04 - 02:12 PM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 04 - 02:17 PM
Ellenpoly 20 Aug 04 - 02:27 PM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 04 - 02:31 PM
CarolC 20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM
Cluin 20 Aug 04 - 02:42 PM
GUEST,Clint Keller 20 Aug 04 - 03:11 PM
SINSULL 20 Aug 04 - 03:18 PM
Once Famous 20 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM
The Shambles 20 Aug 04 - 04:00 PM
SINSULL 20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM
Joe Offer 20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Aug 04 - 04:02 PM
SINSULL 20 Aug 04 - 04:05 PM
Once Famous 20 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM
The Shambles 20 Aug 04 - 04:42 PM
Peace 20 Aug 04 - 04:55 PM
Ellenpoly 20 Aug 04 - 04:57 PM
GUEST,Russ 20 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM
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Devilmaster 20 Aug 04 - 05:59 PM
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Big Al Whittle 20 Aug 04 - 06:09 PM
Little Hawk 20 Aug 04 - 06:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM

I think it helps for all of us to be mindful of humor. Silliness and intelligent humor come across well on the internet, but put-down humor most often seems like an attack. If I question what looks like the beginnings of a big brawl, people say, "Don't worry, it's just their kind of humor." - and then before you know it, somebody gets hurt and it does become a big brawl.

If you're trying to write something funny, keep it light. If you want to make fun of somebody, make fun of yourself - you are your own safest victim. If you're on the receiving end of humor and it seems offensive, try not to take offense. Oftentimes, the poster didn't intend to offend.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 12:52 PM

MG, Jesus may not be YOUR messiah, but he is to many of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 12:53 PM

Interesting that quite a lot of the threads are discussing the same thing.

I'm not sure how I feel, having contributed far more below the stairs than above it, and some of it (I've gone back to re-read my postings-a rather sobering experience) pretty silly to say the least.

But like everything else on the internet, or in life, one has to learn to sift through all that is on offer, pick and choose according to one's tastes, and let the other go it's merry (or not so merry) way.

Perhaps if the level of shite becomes too high for some folk, a little holiday from Mudcat is in order. I'm thinking of doing that myself, unless I can somehow disipline myself to not let William Shatner channel through me anymore!

Time will change, people will change. I still think in the end that it's better to keep this site messy.

..xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 12:57 PM

Treehouse...I ask you again, as you suggested it as an improvement.WHO WOULD YOU THROW OUT?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Treehouse
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 01:03 PM

I do often take holidays from Mudcat. In fact, I've been on holiday from Mudcat most of the summer. This is my personal, last ditch effort to see if I shouldn't make the holiday permanent, expressly because of the level of shite. And apparently, from reading through the other threads on this subject this week, some pretty well respected contributors here feel the same.

So maybe it isn't us that needs the holiday.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 01:06 PM

Isle of Wights nice at this time of year.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 01:56 PM

I would submit that here are two sorts of BS posts -- those that try to enhance the experience of people by offering them thought, humor or creative exploration of some kind and those posts which are essentially cultivating the art of stupidity or school-boy humor. I don't think we need to get into a long parsing of which is which. Does anybody out there think that "Is Shite Shite" is funny? Or silly mockeries of thread titles based on really dull-witted puns?

Good humor includes relevance, some degree of creativity and a modicum of respect for its audience. The kind of crap that I think Treehouse is objecting to, and I concur with him, is the sort of deliberate cultivated mindlessness that does nothing for anyone.
It is, to me, like osmeone littering a favorite beach with empty styrofoam cups and spent condoms. Maybe some of you like spent condoms, but I don't care for them myself.

And BWL, to compare the heights of frenzied silliness found int he MOAB with the kind of drivel against which I am trying to register a protest is most undiscriminating -- the MOAB is usually creative and has a sort of educated flair to it which I find entertaining and socially uplifting. It makes me laugh. I gave up fart jokes for the most part when I graduated from grade school.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: DougR
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 01:57 PM

Treehouse: I think you are expecting something of the Mudcat population that has never existed, at least during my tenure here. You said in an earlier post that moderation could be achieved by the group agreeing to a set of rules. I don't think that would ever happen here. We sometimes have a difficult time agreeing on the simplist of things.

I think ignoring things that offend, as well as those that do not interest, might be a good rule of thumb when considering behaviour here on the Mudcat.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 01:59 PM

Yes, and Twillingsgate is also reputed to be a lovely place to take a few weeks off and revel in the pastoral beauty, quaint shops, and peaceful atmosphere.

Treehouse, I almost fell off my seat when I saw you use the term "ilk" in your post. Ilk, glorious ilk! If you had bothered to read much of the MOABST, you would have discovered that the term "ilk" has been used for a long time now as an in joke amongst a goodly number of us. Whenever we decide to depict the incensed ramblings of a particularly pompous windbag who is railing on about something that has upset him/her, we throw in the term "ilk" as in..."When will this despicable cretin and his ilk learn that their behaviour is not appreciated here, indeed is offensive in the extreme and MUST not be tolerated any longer!!!" And so on, and so on...

It's such an expressive word. The fact that you have innocently used "ilk" in a post in which it was not intended to be humorous indicates that you are from a finer class of individual, the sort who once lifted this forum above the sweaty, vulgar masses and into a more rarified atmosphere where 17 alternative versions of House Carpenter is NOT a subject guaranteed to reduce the listener to a comatose state of boredom! I deeply regret the fact that there are so few left of you and your, dare I say it...ilk...these days. There has been a shocking deterioration in society, and your kind are needed more than ever before to return us to sanity and balance.

The Mother of all BS Threads was started on a whim by Khandu. Why, I don't know. Like I said, it was a whim. I think it was inspired by Saddam Hussein...indirectly. Well, by something he said once. At any rate it was a terrifically funny thread in the first couple of hundred posts, and I feel sorry for you because you didn't get to read it. My heart is rent with sympathy. After a lengthy period of time the MOABST grew bloated and redundant, I am sorry to say. A small group of lost souls (including Amos & Rapaire) became addicted to posting on it for no reason other than that they had already done so a few hundred times! I can understand your annoyance at seeing people thus distracted from the higher purposes of life. But what can one do? People will have their addictions, won't they?

You said: "But I do know a lot of folk musicians and folk music afficionados. They are, by most anyone's standards, a witty, warm, engaging, argumentative, and opinionated group of people, overly drawn to things that are old and antiquated."

That sounds to me like a rather good description of a number of the people whose whimsical posts you are objecting to. In my case, though, I'm more the kind of folkie who is drawn to the folk singers of the 60's to the present...who tend more to write their own songs. That interests me a good deal more than the trad stuff, but I do like trad material and know a fair bit about it. It was the foundation upon which people like Baez and Dylan started out. They just didn't stay there, that's all. Dylan still performs traditional songs in his live concerts, and obviously knows a phenomenal number of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:05 PM

I see no difference whatsoever between the Mother of All BS sorts of threads and the Rubbish/Shite threads and the many variations of the Mudcat popularity contest threads (birthday threads, prayer and hug threads, etc). They are all of the same ilk. I've never even opened the Mother thread, so that in itself ought to tell you something about where I spend my time in this forum, which is in both music and BS sections, but not in the threads of those ilk.

Now, if the posters to those threads would behave properly in the non-mindless drivel threads I regularly participate in, there would be no cause to bitch slap them when they get out of hand. But they all got a good virtual bitch slap coming to them, and I'm happy to give it.


Treehouse, you've missed a lot of far-reaching good natured imaginative fun by not reading the MOAB. It is a bit of a job to catch up, but if you go back a few hundred posts that should be enough to take the measure of the site.

Little Hawk, if we count all of the Shatner posts, you aren't exactly a stranger there yourself. This appears to be the MOAB pot calling the MOAB kettle black.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:11 PM

Especially the Shatner posts.

They are a disgrace to the community and a great moral and literary compromise on Little Hawk's part. He is capable of such depth, such flair, such creativity and such imaginative flights of fancy, that to anchor his dissertations to the fat and shedding Persona of a rug-0headed, bloated, monotone, flat-singing has-been wanna-be like Shatner is just -- I don't know -- self-destructive and self-insulting in one fell swoop! I weep not against Shatner, buit for the gentle soul of Little Hawk which has forced itself to such depravity for the sake of ill-gotten flittering waves of thin admiration.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:12 PM

You are so right, Stilly. I have been absolutely shameless in promoting Mr Shatner. He is one of Canada's larger exports, after all. :-) It's my patriotic duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:17 PM

You almost had me in tears there, Amos...

Should I consider dumping the Shatman? Do I have the strength of character to overcome this grotesque malady? Will Sweet Nell be rescued from a hideous death beneath the wheels of the oncoming express train???

Don't touch that dial!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:27 PM

Don't fret yourself, Little Hawk


Amos will be taken care of



Soon


(William Shatner still channelling through Ellenpoly though she EXPRESSLY told him to go bother Treehouse from now on.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:31 PM

Shatner wouldn't consider dealing with Treehouse, who is obviously out of his tree or at least on the way to being so.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM

You have to be able to understand Canadians, Amos, in order to understand the Shatner thing. I used to think Neil Young's music was just plain crap until I had it explained to me by Canadians that he (a Canadian himself) is, much of the time, being ironically humourous in a uniquely Canadian sort of way. Now I think his stuff, while still being crap, is funny crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:37 PM

"...drawn to things that are old and antiquated."..."I'm more the kind of folkie who is drawn to the folk singers of the 60's to the present"...

As I see it, Little Hawk, us folk singers of the 60's are pretty old and antiquated by now - and all the better for it.

Breaking hearts and heads over the fact that things aren't perfect always seems a waste of time to me. As the saying goes "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage
to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." Complaining about this kind of thing falls into the first category fairly rapidly. It's worth doing from time to time, but not worth persisting in doing so.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 02:42 PM

So, basically, if it's not something THOU is interested in taking part in, it's a waste of time? As opposed to the regular waste of time around here?

It's been said before: if you don't like it, ignore it. Nobody's forcing you to read it or respond to it. And if you object to it dirtying up your little world around here, maybe it's time to take a walk in the park or go to the beach or something and gain a bit of perspective.

Have a laugh! Life's too short not to have regrets.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 03:11 PM

Well, we all know Sturgeon's law: 90% of everything is crap.

I have learned a lot from the 10% noncrap here, and I don't read the shitethreads et al. if I don't want to.

If you put in Bounds and Authority you'll still have 90% crap: less giddy crap, true, but more pompous crap, and you'll be limiting the good 10% to Approved Topics. And what fun is that?

I don't contribute much to the music threads because usually everyone knows more than I do, but I read them. I contribute to the BS threads most because a lot of what I know is BS. And my opinions are unfailingly correct. I've learned from the good 10% on both sides of the line.

Censorship sucks.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 03:18 PM

Treehouse says:
Now, if the posters to those threads would behave properly in the non-mindless drivel threads I regularly participate in, there would be no cause to bitch slap them when they get out of hand. But they all got a good virtual bitch slap coming to them, and I'm happy to give it.

I'm confused. According to my search you didn't exist before this thread and have never posted to another.

As to obnoxious MC members. Your observations have been made almost since the beginning of Mudcat. It goes through silly periods and nasty periods and productive periods. Some complain; some wallow; some join in.

Continue to post your objections. You have the right. But be realistic - it is not going to change. What to do about obnoxious MC members? Ignore them or don't. Very simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 03:54 PM

Guess what, Treehouse.

I'm a folksinger!

I am very opinionated and I actually do collect real antiques, not just guitars.

Your whining, snobbism, and pseudo-intellectualism type is actually what is obnoxious to some members, who, like myself, are not really so heavy handed as to living up to being a folksinger. My type like folkmusic and play it, also. Maybe we aren't navel gazing songwriters who have to socially comment on Mexican farm laborers. Maybe we like folk music like the Chad Mitchell Trio. I don't think it's all just about your perfect folk music site world. Hell, I'll bet you even have a beard. I don't.

I feel that no one "owns" a thread. You cannot log into a thread. Threads are not private conversations, and "interrupting" a thread might just be a good way of voicing an opinion against the thread in general.

So many of the philosophical threads, the "what if" threads, really are quite obnoxiously silly. Stepping in can be as funny as say, jumping into a pool wearing a tutu at the olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:00 PM

The site owner's refusal to allow moderation is the real problem here, just as it always has been.

Splutters with astonisment!!!

"Reasonable" members once argued vociferously against moderation just a few summers ago, because they really enjoyed flaming guests.

From what I can see, (and am told) everyone but me seems to argue in favour of the current level and manner of imposed censorship or even for increased imposed censorship to be undertaken.

As long as this censorship is not imposed upon them and they can continue to request reactive editing to be imposed on the contributions of others and they are permitted to judge and make personal attacks upon other posters, who may not share their views.

Those responsible for this censorship, and who eagerly volunteer to pass judgement and impose censorship upon others, actually set this example by feeling that they can make personal attacks.....It should not be too much of a surprise if this poor example is followed. Perhaps it is time that a far better example was set, by those who would volunteer to judge the worth of the invited contributions of others?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM

Actually Martin, unless menopause has been particularly unkind to treehouse, I don't believe she has a beard. But I am fairly certain she does not consider Chad Mitchell to be "folk".


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM

I confess that I listen to the Chad Mitchell Trio more than just about anybody other than the Kingston Trio. Does that mean I'm one of the "obnoxious" Mudcatters?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:02 PM

Cluin - was that me you were responding to or some earlier post by someone else? Get's confusing sometimes, I think it's a good idea to attach a name to a post that's intended as a response to a particular poster.

Assuming your post was intended for me, "waste of time" wasn't meant to have the attacking intent that you seem to have read into it, and the attached quotation was intended to indicate that.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:05 PM

Joe - I can't believe you had to ask. Read the threads Man! You're not only obnoxious but a Nazi leaning member of the Mudcat Elite and what's worse a CLONE who uses his power to keep the rest of us in line and CENSORED!

But if you follow treehouse's advice and delete anything she finds offensive (not sure how to determine that, sorry), all will be forgiven.
    I am most assuredly NOT a JoeClone. I'm the real thing.
    Harumpf!!!
    -Joe Offer, the one, the only, the original-


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM

Joe

I learned to play guitar from Kingston Trio records.

Hasn't the arguement always been, and continues to be disguised in this thread:   What is Folk? Who or what is a folksinger?

Now, though Treehouse makes more sense that I know she is a broad. I am sure that she feels the same way about those that watch the Three Stooges.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:42 PM

Subject: RE: Can we (meaning you) rename a thread?
From: The Shambles
Date: 14-Aug-04 - 02:30 AM

Wesley S came up with the following [posted in the latest 'hug and prayer complaint thread]- it says more in a few lines than I can ever manage, in my long-winded way.

Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others.

As it was not a suggestion of mine, is there any chance of you putting this wonderful common sense into the FAQ and in the headings of the various forums? [crediting Wesley S of course]

The starting point is setting the example that accepts that none of us here really have any control over the posts and ideas of others - only ourselves. That is something I would have thought that the Joe Offer I first came across and greatly respected in the forum, accepted and set the best example in.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:55 PM

In a well-written post above, someone mentioned that the MOAB thread had been using the word ILK. Many of you know I have difficulty with my vision. Nothing serious, it's just that I am getting on in years and neither eye is what it was in my youth. I had been reading ILK as ELK. That is why I avoided that particular thread. We have elk in Canada; indeed, we have elk near Hinton where I live. I had thought that people were making fun of elk, and because many of those did are folks I admire, I restrained myself and did not go to the defense of that delicious antlered animal, because to have done so would have put me at odds with many Mudcat friends. So, Ms Treehouse, thank you; have saved me an embarrassment. Thank you.

VOTE HILLARY


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 04:57 PM

LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM

Ignore them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM

OOPS! Ignore the preceding message.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Devilmaster
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 05:59 PM

It always seems, to me anyways, that threads like this one come up every 6 months or so.

Get over it people. Its the internet. It is what it is.

The internet gives anyone the chance to publish their personal views whether or not the masses agree with it. It has completely changed how we live in this world, and will continue to change it for years to come.

Do a few google searches on stuff that you really hate. You'll find webpages on it I'm sure. Type white supremacist into a google search. I'm sure you'll find some moron who has a webpage saying that Hitler was mis-understood and that the holocaust did not happen. There are webpages that say if you don't believe in their deity, you'll go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

Now those are extreme examples. Mudcat has those threads which people like Tree complain about. Honestly, this website has evolved over the years. But at the same time, how would you control those types of threads?

Since Treehouse apparently is so sick of the state of this place that he/she posts as a guest, (a bit ironic, imo) it seems like Tree is just posting his/her final posts here. So long buddy. I always get a laugh at the people who say 'this forum isn't what I want to see, so I'm typing my last post now, and I'm saying i'm leaving!'. Effin Waaahhh. People who think they're above everyone else and that their opinion is more valid than everyone else. Got news for ya. There is only one opinion above everyone else's opinion here. There is only one person that is above Mudcat. And since Max owns the puters that holds all these viewpoints, and he owns the webname, he is the only one whose opinion truly matters. Cause if he gets sick of it he just pulls the plug. Everyone will find a new site to play at.

So in the end, mudcat is what it is. If that is not what you want or like, there is one thing you can do. Hit that button labelled on/off or power.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 06:05 PM

Devilmaster:

You pounded the nail in with one hit from the hammer.

The Internet is like the wild west. The strong survive, the ones with no intestinal fortitude bit the dust.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 06:09 PM

The revolution starts from within. I will try to be less obnoxious - its not going to be easy though.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 06:24 PM

I love it. Whoever the hell Treehouse is, she has given me:

1. a Buncha good laughs

2. A question. If she is a member, why does she skulk in the shadows under a Guest name while protesting the present state of the forum? Or has she lost her cookie somehow? SINSULL, what's your theory on that?

Treehouse, I have been listening to and thoroughly enjoying folk music ever since the late 50's. The first folk musicians I really focused on were The Weavers, on Vanguard recordings.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 08:28 PM

I've never seen anybody complain about Little Hawk or his ilk before. This is cool. Because I've recently decided to dislike him too, partly out of a real jealousy I'm trying to pass off as a mock-jealousy (clever ruse, eh?) partly just to be different.
   I don't support nannying things around, there are other places that do that, though. Try them, seriously. It sounds like I'm being a smart-ass, but seriously, look around.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:19 PM

My ilk is my own damned business, Fred. :-) I am going to hex you by doing a Shatnerization ceremony in front of my life-size idol of Big Bill that stands in the inner sanctum, surrounded by his many books, recordings, and memorabilia. I am going to send powerful vibes your way, ramped up by the Spirit of Shatner. You...will soon find yourself speaking...with dramatic pauses...coupled by significant glances at the camera (whether it's there or not). You...will have to eke out a living doing...corny TV ads and convention appearances. It's...not all bad, though...most women will find you...wellnigh irresistible!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:27 PM

Well, Little Hawk, you jus' keep yer hands off my ilk. Don't tolerate none of that 'round here.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:45 PM

ilk and cookies, anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:53 PM

artin, very good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Treehouse
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 11:17 AM

I don't expect the stupid threads to disappear. I also don't expect stupid, dull witted posters to disappear. I accept that the stupid and dull witted rule this forum, as is demonstrated by the sheer numbers of their posts, and their dogged determiniation to remain in power here.

But that isn't all there has ever been at Mudcat, nor is it all that this forum could be, if anyone decided to police themselves, and control their "on a whim" posting behavior.

Let's just be very clear about that.

I could care less about the so-called humorous threads. Not my brand of humor, although I do accept that it is just that sort of humor which dominates the forum. It is quite rare to see any decent, intelligent humor around here, just like in the 3D world.

I'm fed up with rude and obnoxious members (and we all know very well who they are), interrupting decent conversations with pathetic attempts to be funny and get noticed by the people they obviously want to get noticed by--but don't because the people they want attention from generally don't post to the moronic threads.

It is that simple. I am complaining about rude and obnoxious members who keep interrputing otherwise decent conversations, just to get attention. I understand they, like all immature adults who engage in these sorts of behaviors to get people to notice them, interrupt these conversations in such grossly inappropriate ways because: 1) they don't have the required social skills to get noticed any other ways, and; 2) they are out of their league in terms of knowing the subject matter being discussed.

Yes, I ignore them when they do it. I only started this thread, because so many other members whom I consider to be well mannered, good natured, and to have a decent, intelligent sense of humor, are bitching about how pathetic the forum has been of late too.

They will likely remain polite (and be leaving these parts for greener online forum pastures soon because of the insistence of everyone here that this is the way Mudcat MUST be) because they are invested in relationships with a few people here. I, on the other hand, believe that more can be gained by making my displeasure known, than by being polite. Which is purely a style difference, because we are in agreement the way the forum has been going this summer, has made for a piss poor Mudcat experience for us.

But not, of course, for the morons. They have been truly enjoying themselves here of late. There is no doubt about that, just like there is no doubt in my mind that complaining about the moronic Mudcat majority here in the forum with any expectation that it will change anyone's behavior, would be as productive as shouting into a hurricane.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm getting a tremendous amount of satisfaction bitch slapping those of you who so blood well deserve it, though.

Thanks for your cooperation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:26 PM

"leaving these parts for greener online forum pastures "

I've never seen one yet. If you've got some which match that description, share the URLs, Treehouse - not that I have any wish to desert the Mudcat, but for the times when it's down.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:26 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:52 PM

Those last two GUESTs were me - inadvertently nameless.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Treehouse
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 01:14 PM

"Those last two GUESTs were me - inadvertently nameless."

Oh, the delicious irony...

McGrath, here's the thing. Some of us have wider interests than just folk music, and so we participate in other online forums related to those interests. But it doesn't mean I want the eejits from here following me to them.

This is the only unmoderated forum I come to, hence the frustration level of those of us who know what we're missing here, when things get more puerile than usual.

My tolerance for this sight is getting used up, as is others. If you want to know who the others are who might be seriously considering not using this forum anymore, look to who HASN'T been posting much who used to post frequently. That isn't the people in this thread. Even though Amos agrees with me, I don't think Amos has any alternatives to Mudcat (unless I've been misreading his posts). Some of us do. Also, some of us have other things to do than spend all our time on the internet. Like jobs, families, friends, music and non-music passions and interests--lives in other words. It really isn't my problem that so many people here don't have them, and/or are so addicted to this particular internet fix they become consumed by it.

It's always a question of balance, having productive, having positive alternatives to this forum for our internet entertainment and intersts, and many healthy alternatives to sitting on one's ass and getting all worked up and aggravated all day (and night too for a lot of you apparently) by acting like/reacting to stupid morons.

Or are you saying that we should all just shut up, never complain about all the jerks who frequent this place, and take their abuse?

Well, if that works for you, more power to you. But it doesn't work for me. I see no reason to just shut up and take the abuse the morons are dishing out.

Yes, I do have the option of leaving this forum. I use it regularly. Maybe if more members used that option, this place wouldn't suffer so severely from domination by the socially challenged.

Just sign me--

Another Mudcat Veteran for Forum Truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 01:25 PM

Also, some of us have other things to do than spend all our time on the internet. Like jobs, families, friends, music and non-music passions and interests--lives in other words. It really isn't my problem that so many people here don't have them, and/or are so addicted to this particular internet fix they become consumed by it.

Speaking of delicious irony, has anyone else noticed that the most obnoxious poster here, and the one writing the longest posts, is the initiator of this thread, who goes on about how she has better things to do than be here?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,curmudgeon
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 02:15 PM

Amen. Guest. I do think you've summed it up neaatly.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 02:26 PM

Where are you el Ted?
Better hurry!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 03:06 PM

Delicious irony?


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