BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush

Subject: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 11:23 AM

Crawford Texas News....

John Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses Bush
October 4, 2004

The following is the endorsement of President George W. Bush by the Lowell Sun in Lowell, Massachusetts...John Kerry's hometown. Too bad the national media did not report this, but chose to promote the Lone Star Iconoclast's endorsement instead. By the way, the Sun is actually published in Lowell and is a much larger newspaper.


Endorsement: George W. Bush for president

http://www.crawford-texas.org/id9.html

By the way the Lone Star Iconoclast paper that claims to be Bush's hometown paper is actually published in Clifton Texas.

"Most of the editorial board on the Iconoclast is liberal. Leon Smith started the paper after George Bush was elected in 2000. He also runs the Clifton paper, and started up a paper in Valley Mills, which quickly folded."

"After a while, though, it became apparent that something else was going on. Shortly after the Democrats began their drive to unseat George Bush, a group came to town and bought an old house. They called it the Crawford Peace House. The house serves as a meeting place for people who want to have demonstrations and parades against the President. None of the people associated with the Peace House are residents of Crawford, and all they really bring to the area are headaches. From my perspective, they're the same bunch of sixties radicals who now use bandanas to cover up bald spots and haven't done anything since 1967 except look for things to protest and a camera to photograph them doing it. The Iconoclast started giving gushing coverage to the Peace House. There were almost weekly stories. The founder was called "a visionary." Most people I talk to hate the Peace House. But to read the Iconoclast, you'd think the Peace House was the only going concern in town. Other events started to crowd the pages of the Iconoclast. When a group of Nader supporters came to town, the paper gave it more coverage than they had the previous year's football playoff games. One photo showed a man with long hair and a beard holding up a Viet Nam Veterans Against the War sign. Another showed a float of a grinning George Bush holding a missile."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233860/posts

"Bush's Hometown Spurns Editorial
October 04, 2004
By Richard Williamson

DALLAS About a dozen advertisers in President Bush's hometown of Crawford, Texas, have cancelled ads in The Lone Star Iconoclast after the tiny local newspaper endorsed Sen. John Kerry, according to its publisher."
http://199.249.170.191/aw/regional/southwest/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000652908

"Smith is majority owner of the Iconoclast, the Record of nearby Clifton and the Bosque Globe. He's also the mayor of Clifton and a Democrat who was defeated twice in campaigns for the Texas House of Representatives"
www.mysanantonio.com/news/texas/ stories/MYSA093004.1A.crawford.d0640b14.html

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Alba
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 11:57 AM

Talking about advertisers pulling their ads..
Sinclair Groups attempts to dictate what Folks watch has had the same result here in Maine on their WGME 13 Station. Lost the Ads
But then Sinclair has been rewarded for their contributions to the Bush Campaign and for their Bias...a nice Military Contract: to offset the revenue from lost advertising

Never read the Lowell newspaper or the Bush's Hometown one for that matter.
As for TV well......impartial reporting is hard to find these days.
Yiks next Barbie will endorse Bush....now that would have an impact...:>)
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 12:24 PM

Damn, those Bushies love to lie.

Lowell Mass, is not Kerry's Home town. He lived there for exactly one unsuccessfull congressional campaign. By that same token, Cambridge Mass is Bush's home town because he attended Harvard. I wonder what the papers in Cambridge have to say about Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 12:44 PM

Even if it were, the last time this bullshit was posted I made the following point which pretty well covers this cat-crap of an argument:

Oh and here's an excerpt from the Lowell papers incisive and keen-eyed analysis on which it bases its recommendation for W:

Islamic extremists, both here and abroad, have one purpose: To destroy America and halt the spread of democracy and religious tolerance around the globe.

They'd like to be plotting in our streets right now. They'd like to be sowing murder and mayhem with suicide bombers and hostage-takings, and spreading fear in the heartland and everywhere else. They'd like to be wearing us down and bringing our nation to its knees.



I dunno if any of you are familiar with the principle of unfounded generalizations being used to instil fear and compliance, but it looks one small-town paper is interested in trying the technique out. This sort of fear-mongering is immoral and capable of being used to support any viewpoint the fearmonger wants to slip over. And, in sum, it is horse-shit.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 03:58 PM

Old Guy,

Who gives a shit?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:46 PM

Everybody that posts to this thread.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:52 PM

Hell, you got yer head so far up there that you couldn't read the paper anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 10:31 PM

My hometown paper doesn't endorse either one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 11:43 PM

Brucie: Who cares?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 01:07 AM

Old Guy, I don't give a shit who the Lowell paper endorses.

I do give a shit that you started a thread to give us false information

Shame on you.
Shame shame shame :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 01:38 AM

Jack:

Point out the false information. Please.

Kerry did live in Lowell. Bush has never lived in Clifton Texas. Which one is closer to being a hometown newspaper?
Notice that the owner and editor-in-chief of the Iconoclast is also the Mayor of Clifton and a two time looser for the Texas House of Representatives He supports Antibush activists. Would you call that an anti Bush biased newspaper?

Now show me if the Lowell paper is anti Kerry Biased in any way except it's content.

Amos:

Islamic extremists, both here and abroad, have one purpose: To destroy America and halt the spread of democracy and religious tolerance around the globe.

They'd like to be plotting in our streets right now. They'd like to be sowing murder and mayhem with suicide bombers and hostage-takings, and spreading fear in the heartland and everywhere else. They'd like to be wearing us down and bringing our nation to its knees.

It seems that this is true because it is wearing you down. If it is not true, What is the purpose of the Islamic extremists and what would they like to be doing right now?

You sound like Michael Moore saying: "There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told."

I could be wrong.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:28 AM

Old Guy:

The picture painted by the language is excessively alarmist and creates the generalized impression that every town in America is at risk from immediate chaos and mayhem. It is obviously either from someone who is steeped in fear or who wants his listener to be.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:39 AM

Amos:

So You agree with Michael Moore?

It says "they would like to be" and I think is a logical assessment of what Al Qaeda wlould like to be doing. It does not say they are doing it.

I think the average person can diferentiate between like to be doing and doing.

If you don't think this is correct please state what you think they would like to be doing right now.

Just asking questions.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:06 PM

Brucie: so it's a big deal because Bush's hometown paper supports Kerry, but it's no big deal of Kerry's hometown paper supports Kerry? Hard to figure.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:10 PM

Old Guy:

I have no idea who the extremists are that your reference points to, but I imagine whoever they are what they would like to be doing is eating well, getting laid, raising young successfully, and being honored for good acts. Unlike your reference, I do not believe they are everywhere and plotting instant mayhem in Mayberry.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:15 PM

Bush now lives in Crawford and now spends as much time as possible there. The Crawford paper may be written in Clifton, but it is the paper of record for Crawford.

Kerry Lives in Nantucket and Washington. He lived in Lowell for a couple of months only. He lived in Boston for much longer, He lived in Conecticut much longer. He even lived in Vietnam much longer.

So Old Guy, why are you so stupidly making such a weak and disputable point?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:37 PM

Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war
For the sake of Halliburton, the great big corporate whore.
Bush is now the leader with his great Crusade
Killing all the innocent Iraqis with his raid.
But he is forgiven, the press will take a pass
And little towns will eat his swill and drink the price of gas.
Oil is now the holy balm, as Ashcroft will proclaim
Disappearing citizens as he rises in his fame.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:39 PM

Clifton, Texas, is my hometown. I hear from my friends still living there that Mr. Smith is in pretty deep do-do with the hometown folks. "The Clifton Record" is a highly respected Texas weekly. I just hope that Mr. Smith's expressing his constitutional right does not bankrupt that little newspaper due to the loss of subscriptions and advertising.

As to the importance of either paper's endorsement, it would seem to most posters that it is a big deal that the Crawford newspaper endorses Kerry, but the Lowell newspaper's endorsement of Bush means nothing. Go figure.

For the record: The Arizona Republic endorsed Bush in today's paper as did one of the major newspapers in Chicago. I understand (surprise, surprise) the New York Times endorsed Kerry.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 02:44 PM

DougR:

I strongly recommend you read the editorial in which the Times did so. It is in today's Times and I have a link to it in my "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" thread. Betweent he editorial page and Maureen Dowd's scalpel like rebuttal of the Catholic manipulation of votes, I feel there is hope in the world.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 09:03 PM

Doug,

Of course. I do like Kerry and I don't like Bush. That's why it's a big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 09:04 PM

Welcome back, by the way, Doug.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:49 PM

Old Guy, you asked: "What is the purpose of the Islamic extremists and what would they like to be doing right now?"

Well, that depends on which specific "Islamic extremists" one is referring to, I imagine, but for most of the rank and file their conscious purpose is most certainly that of virtually all voluntary fighters in any war: to defend their people, their land, and their way of life. Period. That is undoubtedly how they see it.

Are they picking a wise way of doing so? Probably not, but they are picking the same way YOU would recommend if you were one of them...the way of violent retaliation for past and present grievances. The way of fear and hatred. The way of paranioa and assumed moral superiority.

The conscious purpose of most American soldiers who support Bush's administration is the identical mirror image to that of the Islamic extremists: to defend their own people, their land, and their way of life. That is how they see it too.

Nothing unusual about that in either case! It's typical of virtually all people who are willing to fight in such a war.

Both sides see the other side AS the aggressor. Both sides are willing to go wherever they are ordered to and massacre the people and property of the other side by any means that appears effective and workable. That's what happens in war.

You are mistaken in assuming that Islamic fighters have horns growing out of their heads (symbolically speaking, I mean) or are intrinsically evil in their nature...although the effects of their aggressive actions on others are most certainly evil in many cases. The effects of American soldiers' aggressive actions on other people's lands are equally evil...and far more widespread...because America has the means to achieve much greater destruction on foreign soil than do the Islamic fighters.

Islamic people are not fighting America because they hate YOUR way of life...or because they hate "democracy"...they are fighting America because they LOVE their own way of life and see America and Israel threatening it...by controlling their economies, dominating their governments, stealing their land and resources, and invading their nations and slaughtering their people wholesale. If this were not happening for decades now, there would in fact be no reason for the Islamic extremists you mention to be out there fighting America and Israel at all...and they would not be doing so.

They would be doing what Amos was talking about..."eating well, getting laid, raising young successfully, and being honored for good acts"...in a culture and manner of their own choice, rather than Washington's.

They are fighting for national and cultural survival, and they are desperate. They have reason to be. They are outgunned about a thousand to one in firepower by the most aggressive and irresponsible military powers in the World at this time...the USA, the UK, and Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Genie
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:10 PM

FWIW, the Portland "Oregonian" just endorsed Kerry. Four years ago they endorsed Bush, and Kerry is the first Democrat they've endorsed for President in decades.

The Chicago Tribune endorsed Bush.

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer endorsed Kerry.


The reason it's a bigger deal to me that a Texas paper endorses Kerry than that a Massachusetts paper endorses Bush is simple.   The media in Massachusetts are nowhere near as one-sided as the media in most of the south are. It's hard for Texans to get "news" on radio and TV that isn't decidedly slanted to the right.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 12:18 AM

Little Hawk:

So the Muslims were doing great, eating well, getting laid, raising young successfully, and being honored for good acts while being slaughtered in Bosnia until Nato and the US stepped in?

They were doing great in Kosovo when they were being slaughtered by Milosevic until The US and Nato stopped it.

They were doing great in Afghanistan and being taken over by the Soviet Union until the US assisted the Mujahadiin including Osama Bin Ladin defeat them.

The Muslims in Kuwait were doing fine while Saddams men were tying them to bed frames and drilling holes in their heads with electric drills untill a US lead coalition drove Saddam out.

This is the great evil that we have done to them to cause them to kill 3000 civilian people at one time and strike a blow on our economy that we can barely recover from?

What frigging history book are you reading out of sir? Or have you been puffing too much wacky tobacky?

You say George Bush in not in touch with reality? He is not in touch with your reality. He is in touch with the real reality of which you know nothing about.

What say we withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq, Let Saddam and Milosevic free and let the Muslins continue eating well, getting laid, raising young successfully, and being honored for good acts.

Subject to correction.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 03:10 AM

Genie:

You sound like a nice person but aren't ABC and CBS available all over Texas? They most assuredly are slanted to the left.

If you have a satellite dish you can catch Al Franken on the Sundance Channel and listen to him talk about farts and buttholes in his amateur attempts at left wing humor and comentary.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 03:23 AM

Little Hawk - That was eloguent and about as to the point as anything above. May I re-print this for one of my classes?

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 10:01 PM

Dianavan: you teach classes? In school? Don't mean to nitpick, but I would think a school teacher could properly spell eloquent! I suspect that you do not teach in a public school though, because a teacher would never attempt to influence the political thinking of his/her pupils, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 10:42 PM

I would think the best gift a teacher could offer her students was how to think clearly. Political, smilitical. Whacko data is whacko data.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:03 PM

Pretty poor teacher that can only find one way to spell a word.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:12 PM

I am willing to give a teacher a pass on a misspelling in a net forum but I hope she is teaching that fairy tale about Muslims in acting arts and not history.


Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 11:35 PM

"They are fighting for national and cultural survival, and they are desperate."

So they should be, They are not only held hostage by the world situation, but equally by their own governments. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer in the mid-East, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 01:09 AM

Brucie:

What is the net worth of Osama Bin Ladin?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 01:17 AM

Amos: So you are satisfied if your children's teacher cannot spell correctly, but teaches your child a political philosophy that you approve of. Interesting.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 01:30 AM

DougR - That was a funny kinda typo. I actually do know how to spell eloquent. Since when is spelling (or grammar for that matter) an issue on the net?

Old Guy - As a teacher, my job is to present all sides of an issue and encourage critical thinking. My students are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian and Jew. I don't have to tell them anything, they do the talking. I facilitate and learn.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:03 AM

Gee, all this time I thought the role of teachers was to educate students using facts.

I might be wrong but it is my understanding that Judaisim and Islam were one religion at one time. I would like to know why they split apart and became so hostile towards each other.

It seems to me that that is the root of the problems in the middle east that is affecting the entire world.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM

Just curious, Dianavan, have you showed your students Michael Moore's documentary attack Bush?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:30 PM

Oops! Should have been shown, sorry!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:11 PM

Well, Old Guy - Times have changed. Knowing that the facts change as time progresses, teachers now teach children how to learn and how to think critically.

Computers can give us the facts. What is needed are effective problem solvers who are able to look at all of the facts presented and create viable solutions.

No, I haven't shown Michael Moore's film.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:23 PM

D:

You are correct but a certain political party does not want all of the facts presented. Then they claim that the facts presented by the other political party are false.

They want to decide for us which are the facts and which are lies.

I prefer to decide for myself.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:27 PM

role of teachers was to educate students using facts.


Education means "to draw out" (educere, L.) and while facts are an important part of the process the ability engendered to examine facts and think critically about them, weigh, compare and assess the quality of data is about a thousand times more important.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 11:56 PM

Amos:

So when are you going to start thinking critically about the facts. Weigh, compare and assess the quality of data?

I just discovered a Kerry fact:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border ... in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Who was President in Dec 1968?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Peace
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:08 AM

Nixon was elected in 1968 and took office in 1969. However, Nixon then said that there were no troops in Cambodia. Kerry didn't say President Nixon said that in 1968.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:20 AM

Old Guy:

Bruce made all the point needed about that, except for one -- why are you trawling around trying to make lies out of what are at worst errors in memory across a gap of 30-odd years? I don't know the details, but as I recall there was some question aboiut whether the swift boats ever went into Cambodia.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: DougR
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:33 AM

Dianavan: I would be much more comfortable if teachers truly taught students to think critically. Somehow, though, I wonder if many teachers are not teaching students to think "correctly."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:56 AM

Brucie:

Why wouldn't he say LBJ instead of Nixon?

Everybody tries to blame the war on Nixon. Johnson started it and Nixon ended it. If you tell them that they say Nixon should have ended it sooner.

As usual the Democrats get a pass and Republicans get villianized, not that I liked Nixon.


Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:17 AM

Reasons for such an endorsement:

http://www.monkeydyne.com/bushresume/resume.html


A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 12:35 AM

More reasons for such an endorsement:

http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/Misc/KerryHonoredByCommunists2.htm

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/apr/aug054.html

http://magic-city-news.com/article_961.shtml

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/102962.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04130/312981.stm


Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 12:48 AM

A

Looks like you were beat 5 to 1.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:12 AM

Yeah, the multiplication of bullshit has always been a special talent on the RNC side of things.

Never mind. This Bush dude is a loony bird who has as much business driving a nation into the ground as I do flying a 747.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:20 AM

"Why wouldn't he say LBJ instead of Nixon?"

I can think of some possible reasons...

Because LBJ didn't say there weren't any troops in Cambodia?
Because Kerry didn't protest the war while LBJ was in office?
Because LBJ didn't have a personal vendetta against Kerry?
Because LBJ didn't send Chuck Colson and John O'Neil out to "destroy" (Nixon's words) Kerry?

What was your guess? Villianize Republicans? HAHAHAHA
Shame on Kerry for "victimizing" Richard Nixon!!

HAHAHAHAHA

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 03:50 PM

Yeah, the RNC takes the DNC bullshit and magnifies it by 5.

The reason Kerry did not say LBJ was because he either did not remember or he wanted to blame the war that LBJ started on Nixon who ended it.

I hereby nominate John Forbes Kerry for the title of the world's greatest alltime Monday Morning Quaterback.

Don't just sit there, go out and supress the Republican vote!

Urge Democrats to vote twice. Use crack cocaine for payoffs if you have to.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:39 PM

HEy, OG, take a chill pill. Your bitterness is showing. I nominate GWB for the World's Most Looney Poitician, how ya like thema apples? I think it was actually Nixon who issued the denial about troops being in Cambodia, but it was after the Christmas KErry referred to, so his statement, although condensed, was true.

By "suppress the Republican vote" would you mean, fo rexample, by disenfranchising black votes, the way the Bush brothers did in 2000? Or perhaps by falsifying the voter rolls and trashing registaration forms if they are from the Democratic side? Is this your notion of honorable conduct? All these things have been perpetrated by RNC machine members. Why do you never acknowledge or address these issues?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:37 PM

Amos,

As you reap, so shall you sow. When you post partisan BS, you can expect to get it thrown back at you. Why are you so suprised? Or are you to be considered someone with special priviledge?

"By "suppress the Republican vote" would you mean, fo rexample, by disenfranchising black votes, the way the Bush brothers did in 2000? Or perhaps by falsifying the voter rolls and trashing registaration forms if they are from the Democratic side? Is this your notion of honorable conduct? All these things have been perpetrated by RNC machine members. Why do you never acknowledge or address these issues?"

Or like the Union members blocking Republicans? Or the irregularities in other states that end with a Democratic win?

Why do you never acknowledge or address these issues?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 08:53 PM

Amos:

Have you forgotten the instructions in the Kerry Edwards Election Day Manual?

See the stars flying out of the donkey's ass? See the incorrect grammer?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:21 PM

The first text on the page is labeled "2." and it has half a page of header.

Who did you get it from? Dan Rather? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:41 PM

"By Peggy Lowe, Rocky Mountain News
October 15, 2004

Democrats got caught with their election playbook open Thursday when a leaked page was published urging operatives to lodge a "pre-emptive strike" of claiming voter intimidation, whether it's true or not.

Gleeful Republicans quickly called a press conference after the page from The Drudge Report went online, in which they denounced "a new low in gutter politics" that "played the race card."

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"They want to rile up the minorities to denounce tactics that do not exist," said Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado GOP.

Halaby said it was "a criminal act to falsely allege something that does not exist." He called on the state Democrats to "denounce and renounce" the manual's teachings.

But Democrats, who verified as authentic the page from a playbook called "Colorado Election Day Manual: A detailed guide to voting in Colorado," said they must be pro-active to assure that minorities and all others are not scared away from the polls.

Sue Casey, head of the Kerry-Edwards Colorado campaign, said the Republicans are also happy to plant a negative story to detract from what reporters should be writing about.

"Look what we're talking about today instead of the fact that George Bush lost three debates and is fading, instead of not having health care, instead of having a disaster in Iraq," she said.

The manual, at www.drudgereport.com, instructs operatives to hunt for Republican scare tactics that could keep voters from the polls. Democrats have claimed for decades that the GOP does that because low voter turnouts generally help Republican candidates.

"If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike," rule No. 2 says.

Then, the manual says the operatives should issue a press release "reviewing Republican tactics used in your area or state." They should also quote "party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting."

Indeed, a press release from the Colorado Democrats on Wednesday looked straight out of the playbook.

After Secretary of State Donetta Davidson and Gov. Bill Owens, both Republicans, said anyone caught defrauding the voter registration process would be prosecuted, the Democrats shot out a statement decrying Davidson's and Owens' remarks as "voter intimidation."

The release also quoted two minority elected officials: Rick Garcia and Michael Hancock, both city councilmen. But Casey said she first saw the playbook on Thursday morning, the day after they had issued the press release.

"The first time I saw it was today after reporters called. We sort of looked at each other and said 'Gee, we did all the right things,' " she said.

But Casey also defended what she had said in the Wednesday statement, saying Owens and Davidson sent a message to voters that said, "be careful . . . If you are found ineligible you won't vote."

The Democrats message is much different, Casey said.

"We believe in democracy," she said. "We believe every person who is eligible should be able to vote. We think we should send the message: be confident. If you're eligible, go vote."

Late Thursday, Owens dismissed Casey's charge, telling a group of President Bush backers at a gathering at the Denver Diner that Casey was simply playing by the Democratic playbook. He said he's highly concerned about news reports about people registering to vote dozens of times.

"We're not trying to intimidate anybody," Owens said. "I'm encouraging Coloradoans to go to the polls. I want it to be a fair and honest vote, not skewed by somebody who registered 35 times."

What the document says

A page from the Democrats' "Colorado Election Day Manual: A detailed guide to voting in Colorado" appeared on the Drudge Report.

• Chapter 2 says: "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike."

• Operatives are directed to issue a news release "reviewing Republican tactics used in your area or state."

• They should also quote "party/minority/ civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting."
Source: Drudgereport.Com

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Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 12:28 AM

Democrat Voter Fraud:

Billionaire currency trader George Soros, in his quest to unseat President Bush, has given millions of dollars to a coalition of anti-Bush organizations whose nationwide voter-registration drive has been targeted by state and federal authorities for possible widespread fraud.
    Working under an umbrella organization known as America Votes, the coalition's registration drive — described by election officials as the largest in U.S. history — focused on potential voters in 14 so-called battleground states.
    America Votes, which represents a collection of labor unions, trial lawyers, environmental groups and community organizations representing 20 million Americans, describes itself as a "nonpartisan political organization" that seeks to use the strategic abilities and large membership base of its coalition members to "break new ground in electoral politics."
    Its goal is to "register, educate and mobilize" voters for this year's elections, but some of those efforts are now being challenged.
    Hundreds of questionable voter-registration applications, such as duplicates, and accusations of workers shredding registrations in favor of one party are under review by local, state and federal law-enforcement and election authorities in Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Michigan, Minnesota, West Virginia, Oregon, Ohio, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Florida.
    The coalition spent more than $100 million on its voter-registration campaign, according to financial records and several people familiar with the member organizations. Despite its nonpartisan claim, its membership includes 32 groups committed to Mr. Bush's defeat.
    Cecile Richards, a veteran labor and political organizer, is the coalition's president. Before coming to America Votes, she served as deputy chief of staff to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat.
    "The launch of America Votes is a groundbreaking endeavor in American politics," she said. "We look forward to working together to reach out to voters and to talk about the issues that are important to Americans. America Votes is going to make an historic impact on the political process in this country."
    As a key contributor to the coalition, Mr. Soros, whose estimated net worth is $7 billion, is on a one-month speaking tour in several battleground states, where he has taken Mr. Bush to task for what he called "missteps" in the war in Iraq.
    Mr. Soros has described the Nov. 2 elections and the defeat of Mr. Bush as "the central focus of my life." To that end, he has routed millions of dollars to coalition members, key among which are MoveOn.org, an anti-Bush Internet-based advocacy group, and America Coming Together (ACT), which is dedicated to get-out-the-vote activities for Democratic candidates, particularly this year.
    Coalition members are using thousands of paid workers and volunteers, armed with bar-coded identification sheets, to target undecided and potential Democratic voters door to door, and at shopping centers, grocery stores, street festivals, sporting events, naturalization ceremonies and hip-hop concerts from coast to coast.
    The America Votes registration drive has been the beneficiary of millions of Soros dollars, and records show two coalition members, MoveOn.org and ACT, have accounted for nearly $15 million alone in cash contributions from Mr. Soros and his business partner, Peter Lewis.
    Both MoveOn.org and ACT are 527 tax-exempt organizations, allowed to take part in political campaigns and register voters.
    MoveOn.org, which claims 2.3 million members, received significant financial help from Mr. Soros and Mr. Lewis, who pledged a $5 million matching grant last November — a dollar for every two raised by MoveOn.org members — to put together a $15 million war chest to defeat Mr. Bush.
    The organization was begun in 1998 by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, who organized an Internet-based advocacy group to protest the "waste of tax dollars" in the impeachment of President Clinton, calling for the country to "move on to more pressing issues facing the nation."
    Later, MoveOn.org vigorously opposed U.S. intervention in Iraq, a position that drew the attention of Mr. Soros.
    MoveOn.org ran an ad largely funded by anti-war Democrats that accused Mr. Bush of lying to get the United States into war with Iraq and blaming him for 1,000 American deaths there as well as a $150 billion price tag.
    The ad included an image of a U.S. soldier sinking in desert sand as he tried to keep his rifle above his head.
    In 2002, Mr. Boyd and Mrs. Blades hired a computer programmer, Zack Exley, as MoveOn.org's organizing director. During the 2000 presidential campaign, Mr. Exley had programmed GWBush.com, a Web page that featured doctored photographs portraying Mr. Bush as a drug addict.
    ACT was founded in August 2003 when Mr. Soros announced he was giving $10 million to the organization to ensure that Mr. Bush was not re-elected. At the time, he called ACT "an effective way to mobilize civil society, to convince people to go to the polls and vote for candidates who will reassert the values of the greatest open society in the world."
    The District-based organization has since raised more than $50 million to defeat Mr. Bush, and has been active in the America Votes registration campaign. It hired a staff of about 1,500 canvassers, paying them $12 an hour to go door to door in battleground states to register voters.
    ACT is headed by Ellen R. Malcolm, who also organized Emily's List, a pro-choice political action network, and Steve Rosenthal, who served as deputy political adviser to the Democratic National Committee, chief adviser to Labor Secretary Robert Reich during the Clinton administration and political director at the AFL-CIO.
    Mrs. Malcolm told The Washington Post that the Soros donation was "like getting his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval."
    Mr. Rosenthal also is executive director of Partnership for America's Families (PAF), a political action committee financed with $20 million from labor unions and as much as $10 million from individual, pro-Democratic donors. PAF also is a member of the America Votes coalition.
    The battleground states — Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Wisconsin — can deliver 145 Electoral College votes, with 270 needed to win. "
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041020-121530-1018r.htm\

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 01:20 AM

So far, no fraud except the headline.

Side by side, I think you will find, if you look fairly, that the list of Republican dirty tricks in the election far out numbers that of Democrats or other parties.

But It's ok. Kerry's hometown newspaper endorsed Bush.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:44 PM

Amos:

Thank you. To be fair, Kerry does not live in that town but he has lived there.

The Clifton news paper only claims to be in Crawford so I think the other newspaper comes closer to being in a candidate's hometown.

Did you notice how the editor of the Clifton paper supports some kind of hostel for peaceniks that demonstrate against Bush in that area. Is that fair and balanced?

This article may be somewhat slanted but most of it can't be denied:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233860/posts

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:14 PM

"Some kind of hostel for peaceniks"? The phraseology sounds like it is straight out of 1968, OG!! :D But I see what you mean. Jesus, you'd think we were stuck in Da Nang all over again for crying out loud.

One question -- you seem to understand these people and their buttons, a bit better than I do. So tell me what the word "liberal" in the expression "liberal dirtbags" in the posts under the story.   I genuinely get puzzled by what it means to those who use it as a derogatory term. The inherent semantics of the word are about tolerance, and the granting of freedom to others. What definition are these people using?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:22 PM

Amos:

I will take back the word peaceniks if you take back the word warmongers.

If people don't pipe down and fight this war we will be stuck in Da Nang again.

I suppose liberal dirtbags are the opposite of TH Kerry's scumbags

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 08:23 PM

Since I do not see the actual endorsement here, I thought it would be worth actually printing what we are argueing over...






The Lowell (Mass.) Sun:

"We in Massachusetts know John Kerry. ... In his 20 years in the US Senate, Kerry, a Navy war hero, hasn'e risen above the rank of seaman for his uninspiring legislative record. He has been inconsistent on major issues. First he's for the 1991 Persian Gulf War; then he opposes it First he's for the war in Iraq; then he's against it. First he's for a strong U.S. defense; then he votes against military-weapons programs. First he's for the U.S. Patriot Act; then he opposes it. ... We know if there is one thing the enemy fears above all else, it is that George Bush's iron will is stringer than his iron won't.

Published in USA Today

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 08:40 PM

Old Guy.

The Lowell Sun is as much Kerry's hometown paper as Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat to the USA. :)

The Lonestar Iconoclast is the paper of record for Crawford Texas, its where the businesses of Crawford advertise, Its where the people of Crawford read about each other and the world.

Anyone who would argue otherwise is probably dumb enough to think the USA is winning the war on terror.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 08:46 PM

Jack:

If you say so. Who the hell am I to form my own opinions, I have you to do it for me.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry's Hometown newspaper endorses Bush
From: Old Guy
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 05:19 PM

The truth about the Iconoclast:

"it was a chance for the national media to tout that even in Crawford, Texas, the citizens were turning against George Bush. The reality of the situation is a little bit different. As someone who has worked for the paper for a while, I know a little bit more about the story than most. While I will not reveal inside information (I believe it's unethical), here's the real scoop on what has happened.

Most of the editorial board on the Iconoclast is liberal. Leon Smith started the paper after George Bush was elected in 2000. He also runs the Clifton paper, and started up a paper in Valley Mills, which quickly folded. Don Fisher asked me to take sports photographs beginning in 2002. The Iconoclast is run completely out of Clifton. It has no offices in Crawford, nor do any of the principal figures operating the paper live in Crawford.

Shortly after the Democrats began their drive to unseat George Bush, a group came to town and bought an old house. They called it the Crawford Peace House. The house serves as a meeting place for people who want to have demonstrations and parades against the President. None of the people associated with the Peace House are residents of Crawford, and all they really bring to the area are headaches. From my perspective, they're the same bunch of sixties radicals who now use bandanas to cover up bald spots and haven't done anything since 1967 except look for things to protest and a camera to photograph them doing it. The Iconoclast started giving gushing coverage to the Peace House. There were almost weekly stories. The founder was called "a visionary." Most people I talk to hate the Peace House. But to read the Iconoclast, you'd think the Peace House was the only going concern in town. Other events started to crowd the pages of the Iconoclast. When a group of Nader supporters came to town, the paper gave it more coverage than they had the previous year's football playoff games. One photo showed a man with long hair and a beard holding up a Viet Nam Veterans Against the War sign. Another showed a float of a grinning George Bush holding a missile."
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook/Random/report.html

Peace House Mission Statement:
"The Crawford Peace House offers a culturally diverse environment for spiritual growth and intellectual understanding that gives hope to humanity by providing peaceful alternatives to war.

An oasis across the railroad tracks from downtown Crawford, Tx. (population 705 when the president is away) beckons visitors with a beautiful stone labyrinth in the courtyard. The lovely garden was planted and is cared for by Peace House volunteers. The Crawford Peace House provides a place where individuals and organizations can gather for seminars, meetings, or workshops dedicated to peace."
http://www.crawfordpeacehouse.org/

"How to Protest"
All rallies and parades require a permit: minimum 7 days in advance $25.00
contact Chief Tiddmore of Crawford P.D.

Alternatively, you can download the form in PDF file format or as a Microsoft Word file.
Lodging - There are no motels in Crawford, however, there is a Bed & Breakfast and Campgrounds. Many Motels can be found in Waco the nearest larger city."
http://www.crawfordpeacehouse.org/protest.html

Old Guy