BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION

Subject: BS: BUSH RESIGNS
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:44 AM

. . . himself to a tough and close election, which I think he will lose.

This thread is to even things up a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:45 AM

Yes! Could this be an end to all the bullshit political talk on this wonderful folk music site????????

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:48 AM

Absolutely!

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:05 AM

I would love to wake up on Wednesday morning to banner headlines saying that Bush lost Texas. He can then resign himself to riding his dirt bike around Crawford, TX, as much as his little heart desires.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:11 AM

Wouldn't that be great?

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:15 AM

There's is hope, SRS:

The American Conservative Endorses Kerry starts out with the following in the
November 8, 2004 issue:

Unfortunately, this election does not offer traditional conservatives an easy or natural choice and has left our editors as split as our readership. In an effort to deepen our readers' and our own understanding of the options before us, we've asked several of our editors and contributors to make "the conservative case" for their favored candidate Their pieces, plus Taki's column closing out this issue, constitute TAC's endorsement. —The Editors

Kerry's the One
By Scott McConnell

There is little in John Kerry's persona or platform that appeals to conservatives. The flip-flopper charge—the centerpiece of the Republican campaign against Kerry—seems overdone, as Kerry's contrasting votes are the sort of baggage any senator of long service is likely to pick up. (Bob Dole could tell you all about it.) But Kerry is plainly a conventional liberal and no candidate for a future edition of Profiles in Courage. In my view, he will always deserve censure for his vote in favor of the Iraq War in 2002.

But this election is not about John Kerry If he were to win, his dearth of charisma would likely ensure him a single term. He would face challenges from within his own party and a thwarting of his most expensive initiatives by a Republican Congress. Much of his presidency would be absorbed by trying to clean up the mess left to him in Iraq. He would be constrained by the swollen deficits and a ripe target for the next Republican nominee.

It is, instead, an election about the presidency of George W. Bush. To the surprise of virtually everyone, Bush has turned into an important president, and in many ways the most radical America has had since the 19th century. Because he is the leader of America's conservative party, he has become the Left's perfect foil—its dream candidate. The libertarian writer Lew Rockwell has mischievously noted parallels between Bush and Russia's last tsar, Nicholas II: both gained office as a result of family connections, both initiated an unnecessary war that shattered their countries' budgets. Lenin needed the calamitous reign of Nicholas II to create an opening for the Bolsheviks.

Bush has behaved like a caricature of what a right-wing president is supposed to be, and his continuation in office will discredit any sort of conservatism for generations. The launching of an invasion against a country that posed no threat to the U.S., the doling out of war profits and concessions to politically favored corporations, the financing of the war by ballooning the deficit to be passed on to the nation's children, the ceaseless drive to cut taxes for those outside the middle class and working poor: it is as if Bush sought to resurrect every false 1960s-era left-wing cliché about predatory imperialism and turn it into administration policy. Add to this his nation-breaking immigration proposal—Bush has laid out a mad scheme to import immigrants to fill any job where the wage is so low that an American can't be found to do it—and you have a presidency that combines imperialist Right and open-borders Left in a uniquely noxious cocktail.

Click on the link above to read more.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Amergin
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:20 AM

And don't forget the Bush cousins throwing in their support for Kerry.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:21 AM

That is priceless.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: DougR
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:38 AM

Dream on.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:50 AM

Douglas, my friend...I would sincerely ask you to read this article, which is written by a true Conservative. Try to keep your mind open, and realize that this was not written by a flaming liberal, by a rabid Bush-hater, or by a wild-eyed radical. The author says that he expects to disagree with most of the policies of a Kerry presidency...yet he says that re-electing President Bush would be devastating for the United States. Take a look at his last paragraph, at least:

"George W. Bush has come to embody a politics that is antithetical to almost any kind of thoughtful conservatism. His international policies have been based on the hopelessly naïve belief that foreign peoples are eager to be liberated by American armies—a notion more grounded in Leon Trotsky's concept of global revolution than any sort of conservative statecraft. His immigration policies—temporarily put on hold while he runs for re-election—are just as extreme. A re-elected President Bush would be committed to bringing in millions of low-wage immigrants to do jobs Americans "won't do." This election is all about George W. Bush, and those issues are enough to render him unworthy of any conservative support."

So, Doug, what do you think?

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: DougR
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:32 PM

What do I think, Mark?

Well, you didn't identify the writer so let me make a guess. It sounds like the rantings of Pat Buchanan or some of his cronies starting up a new publication aimed at attracting disenchanted conservatives who think as they do. Am I close? I think kat referred to the publication in the thread about Kerry conceding California to Bush. The American Conservative or something like that.

It will not surprise you to learn that I do not agree with the writer.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:48 PM

I tried to get a few bets down that you'd post here within 24 hours. Couldn't find any takers.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:54 PM

"Blood is thinner than oil" say Bush cousins voting for Kerry.


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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:55 PM

Doug, open your eyes. The author's name is at the top of the excerpt I included. Also, follow the link...you will find the online version of The American Conservative. I cannot believe you would be so close-minded .

kat

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:59 PM

Judge for yourself, Doug R. This information is reached by navigating from the link Kat posted above:

About Us:
http://www.amconmag.com/aboutus.html

Scott McConnell is the executive editor of The American Conservative. A Ph.D.in history from Columbia University, he was formerly the editorial page editor of the New York Post and has been a columnist for Antiwar.com and New York Press. His work has been published in Commentary, Fortune, National Review, The New Republic, and many other publications.

I must say that his vita doesn't make him the most credible of conservative voices, mostly because of that association with the New York Post. Weigh his words against his background, that's the best anyone can do when evaluating the credibility of a source.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 03:19 PM

Oh come on, you guys. Here is the link to the editor page. Pat Buchanan is at the top. Doug is right about the influence of Buchanan on this magazine. He has not been a Republican loyalist for years, and has been in the independent/3rd party camp for quite some time. He really wants to hurt the neo-cons and other Republican appeasers who have consistently refused to back his runs for the presidency.

You are also completely misrepresenting what the editorial staff did. This magazine DID NOT ENDORSE JOHN KERRY.

If you follow the links to the American Conservative site, it becomes plain as day that the magazine hasn't endorsed Kerry, and you are just being disingenuous about this. The magazine has a different writer arguing for votes for several different candidates, and for not voting: articles endorsing Bush, Kerry, Nader, Peroutka (Constitution Party), Badnarik (Libertarian), and an article on not voting at all.

I note you didn't claim the magazine was endorsing Nader. Coincidence? Honest mistake? I think not.

Really, how stupid do you think we are?

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 03:31 PM

And BTW, anyone who thinks there are no American conservatives against the war against Islam, Iraq, Palestine, etc. doesn't know much about American conservatism.

Nor does someone who claims that a conservative never associates with liberals. That is just ignorant. Both conservative and liberal voices SHOULD be represented at any major establishment newspaper or magazine, and in fact, very few of them don't have at least a few that take the opposing view of their publications' owners. The editorial staff is usually ideologically between the owners and the writers.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 04:49 PM

ROOTERS, Crawford, Texas, October 26, 2004--George W. Bush today advised the nation from the porch of his ranchhouse in Texas that he was conceding the 2004 Election for President of the United States.

"I have done enough harm," he said. "It's time for me to get right with God, and the best way I can do that is to stop fucking up this nation, screwing around with international relations which I simply do not understand, and blundering around in domestic policies. So I concede this race to Mister Kerry, and in doing so will save the nation millions of dollars. I intend to donate my share of the money to "Adopt a Minefield" and the Baghdad Orphans Fund." He also offered the nation his apologies for wasting their reserves, putting the wrong people in charge of important Government departments, and ruining America's reputation abroad.

Republican leaders were too stunned to comment, according to inside sources who were still too afraid to be identified.

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This was a fictitious announcement.


A

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:29 PM

Doug, ... I cannot believe you would be so close-minded

For god's sake, why not? Doesn't past practice count for anything?

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:40 PM

However, I like Doug because he's consistent and very loyal. Would that our elected officials believed in America (Canada, OZ, NZ, UK, etc.) as much as Doug does in his country.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: GUEST,Martian Gibbon
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:46 PM

So are we moveing towards an election free zone very soon?

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: pdq
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:47 PM

BUSH CONCEDES ERECTION

Wow, dude. I think I'm having a flashback to the Clinton administration!

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM

Boyoboy, is MY face red.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:00 PM

Hey, Dougie. You don't have to take this abuse from thse upstart youngins. Heck, if you like Bush, irregardless of his radical un-Repiblican policies, then by golly that's yer right. And I'm not going to stand by idley as these folk bash you. Heck, loyalty, is one heck of a good quality. I respect that.

Now these folks are gonna throw all kinds of stuff at you. Like facts and stuff. Hey, ignore them. Facts ain't everything. Heck, plenty of folks know lots of stuff but they just don't have that strong *belief* system that you got going. So like what good is it knowing all these facts? Well, not one heck of a lot...

So you hang in there, pal, and I'll be right here to support ya' 'cause yer my buddy.

Sniff.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:39 PM

GUEST 26 Oct 04 - 03:19 PM must have been logging in from the department of redundancy department. I posted the identical link several minutes earlier. Or GUEST felt a verbal dope-slap needed to be delivered along with the link?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:46 PM

Bobert, stop sniffing. Doug and I have many disagreements; however, disagreements or not, I like the guy. We just think each other are out to lunch with our politics. He simply has to realize that I'm right and he's not. That will come with time.

Subject: RE: BS: BUSH CONCEDES ELECTION
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:47 PM

I sure would like to get inside the heads of some conservatives and see if they really like and/or respect Bush, or if they just want to keep a Republican in office no matter what, and are willing to swallow the damage the man has done in order to keep certain agendas running.
I, personally, think that the best thing they could do would be to soundly vote him OUT, and come back in 4 years with a candidate that more nearly reflects 'traditional' Republican/conservative values, that we could all repect, even if we didn't agree with him on everything.